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Friday, November 30, 2018

For a nation that spends more on healthcare per citizen than almost any other, America isn't exactly reaping the rewards. Life expectancy has been steadily climbing for decades now, but in the last few years it's taken a troubling turn in the other direction.

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#1 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-11-30 07:13 AM | Reply

Maybe it's because in places like Canada and England you have to wait so long for procedures that you end up living longer.

#2 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-11-30 07:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

This is mainly due to the opioid crisis. it's causing a very outsized effect on the life expectancy. Consider:

When a normal spike in deaths occurs, it's due to, say, a bad flu strain, or a long stretch of excessive heat. These attack the weakest--the old and infirm--and generally cuts a year or two off of an average life span.

Compare that with the opioid crisis: folks are dying 20-30-40 years earlier. ONE death of someone 30 years before normal is worth TWENTY deaths of folks 18 months before normal. It doesn't take a lot of deaths to start affecting average longevity. A huge spike in young deaths will bring down the average, like we're seeing now.

But take out this tragedy, and longevity is actually marching forward. While serious and sad, this spike in early deaths will end up being a statistical blip.

#3 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-30 07:44 AM | Reply

This is mainly due to the opioid crisis.
#3 | Posted by Danforth

Thanks Capitalism!

#4 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-11-30 08:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

All snark aside, DF, that means that this decline is directly linked to our healthcare system as they are the ones driving the addiction rates up.

#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-11-30 08:10 AM | Reply

"this decline is directly linked to our healthcare system "

I believe the root is deeper: it's the economic system.

Folks are working just as hard, or harder, yet they see less and less of the pie ending up in their pockets. And it's not a mirage; stats show more and more of the country's wealth is being concentrated at the top. The prototypical example is a manufacturing worker who used to have a good job at a good wage, but now has settled for whatever he can get, paying whatever he can get. So the unemployment rate stays low--trading one job for one job--but the take-home pay for that group drops. This naturally leads to feelings of defeat and despair, and a certain percentage of folks will try to combat those feelings with addictive or destructive habits.

Now, I'm not exempting the healthcare system; an overprescription of opioids (and an incredibly bad oversight system) definitely deserves blame. But I believe, except for a few bad actors, the system was not trying to addict people. Metaphorically speaking, it seems we weren't aware of the smoke until we saw the raging fire.

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-30 08:51 AM | Reply

"Metaphorically speaking, it seems we weren't aware of the smoke until we saw the raging fire."

Dollars are opaque. It's difficult to see past them for most people.

#7 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-11-30 09:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

After all, we're not in it for our health.
CoughCough

#8 | Posted by LesWit at 2018-11-30 02:11 PM | Reply

I believe the root is deeper: it's the economic system.

#6 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-11-30 08:51 AM | FLAG:

Have you ever listened to Dr. Carl Hart? He's a neuro & psych prof at Columbia who's a drug abuse researcher. Joe Rogan had him on his podcast. www.youtube.com

To paraphrase a bit, he ties the crack epidemic to high unemployment. It was 3 times higher in the 80s than it is now for everybody, and was far, far higher in black communities.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-11-30 02:13 PM | Reply

Thanks for the info; I'll be sure to check him out.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-30 02:24 PM | Reply

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#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg

In other words, when poeple's lives suck, they do more drugs and die more.

If you're opposed to this, stop supporting republicans, who do everything they can to cater to the rich, which makes everyone else's lives suck more, which results in more drug addiction and death.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-30 02:31 PM | Reply

"But I believe, except for a few bad actors, the system was not trying to addict people."

I would refine that statement to:

It only took a few bad actors at the pharma companies to fake the data and create the illusion that opioids are safe.

From there, everything else falls into place.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-30 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"To paraphrase a bit, he ties the crack epidemic to high unemployment. It was 3 times higher in the 80s than it is now for everybody, and was far, far higher in black communities."

Ironically, the meth epidemic is tied to low unemployment because nowadays people need the energy to work two or three part-time jobs to make up for the income they lost when their old full-time job that got downsized, automated, or exported.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-30 02:41 PM | Reply

in a press release today, donald trump said "I get people into heaven more quickly"

#14 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-11-30 03:16 PM | Reply

If you ask DOCNJO and some others on here, the Clinton's have dragged down the average with all the people they've killed.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-11-30 05:46 PM | Reply

Greater

#16 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-11-30 06:54 PM | Reply

More winning from the best healthcare in the world!

#1 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2018-11-30 07:13 AM | FLAG: Got it in NONE!

From the following article:

"But Anderson said the latest data suggest this mortality trend is heavily influenced by the ongoing drug epidemic and a rising rate of suicides nationwide. And many people dying as a result of those two causes tend to be younger than in recent decades, he said."

www.pbs.org

#17 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-11-30 07:08 PM | Reply

Maybe it's because in places like Canada and England you have to wait so long for procedures that you end up living longer.

#2 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Intentionally or unintentionally on your part, you are right ...

U.S. physicians say up to 30 percent of medical services are unnecessary
www.minnpost.com

Unnecessary Tests and Treatment Explain Why Health Care Costs So Much
www.scientificamerican.com

In survey, doctors say unneeded medical care is common, driven by fear of malpractice
hub.jhu.edu

Overkill: An avalanche of unnecessary medical care is harming patients physically and financially
www.newyorker.com

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-30 07:43 PM | Reply

What it boils down to is all working class people need to be paid more for the work they do... that would go a long way to improving the conditions causing despair and lower the suicide rates.

They need basic medical coverage for everyone

It is about economic redistribution... it is in the nation's future... and the clown brigade has just got to adapt.... or continue killing themselves as they are doing with opium and bullets... furnished by those that are happy to see them go.

You do it to yourselves.

#19 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-12-01 08:35 AM | Reply

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