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When his mother, a pediatrician, took James for counseling, she chose a gender transition therapist who diagnosed him with gender dysphoria, a mental conflict between physical sex and perceived gender. Meanwhile, Dad isn't seeing signs of gender dysphoria. In the father's home, James appears to be a normal boy and doesn't identify as a girl. He has a choice of boy's or girl's clothes there, and he chooses to dress as a boy. In their divorce proceedings, the mother has charged the father with child abuse for not affirming James as transgender, has sought restraining orders against him, and is seeking to terminate his parental rights.

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The author of the article says he was also misdiagnosed with gender dysphoria when younger, ended up having sex reassignment surgery, and then later detransitioned.

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Chemical castration at age eight???

#1 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 04:26 AM | Reply

You folks are as dishonest as they come. Then people wonder why I stopped participating in your dishonest balderdash.

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-29 08:14 AM | Reply

What the hell did I just read

#3 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-11-29 09:36 AM | Reply

Is this actually legit?

#4 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 09:38 AM | Reply

Did a tiny bit of research...

Links to the actual court documents:

savejames.com

#5 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 09:53 AM | Reply

And a little more info...

savejames.com

If this is a fake, then someone is going through a lot of trouble, especially with the court documents and etc.

#2, I wish this was a fake, because otherwise it's pretty scary.

#6 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 09:58 AM | Reply

This is child abuse.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-29 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

We are dishonest why Laura? Because we see this a complex issue, with many facets to it... many of which we would like to discuss or find interesting enough to discuss?

To you, your reality was straightforward, and you eventually got to where you needed to be to be happy... That doesn't mean that there aren't stories of interest out there on the same topic that bear discussion. This being a discussion board for topics of the day, you're gonna find them here. Your immediate dismissal of any and all of them is getting old.

#8 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-29 11:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

#8 | POSTED BY KWRX25

NW. Laura's strong emotional reaction to any story regarding this issue is completely understandable. However, she's rarely rational about it which is disappointing. She is probably the most knowledgeable person regarding gender dysphoria on this site. It's a shame she is unwilling to have a rational discussion about anything regarding this issue.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-29 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I would love to have a discussion because I hardly understand any of this.

#10 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 12:15 PM | Reply

"Because we see this a complex issue, with many facets to it..."

Do you now.

Does that mean this isn't necessarily child abuse, then?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-29 12:19 PM | Reply

transgenderism is a complex issue snoofy. Diagnosis at early age being one facet.

To this case... someone is lying. Mom? Dad? the Author?...

Enter interesting discussion.

#12 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-29 12:46 PM | Reply

beyond lying... pushing an agenda, the therapist?

a combination...

a lot of angles to explore

#13 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-29 12:52 PM | Reply

If you knew anything about the subject matter you would know you can't get a sex change operation at 6 years old. It's impossible. But continue with your balderdash. It's all you've got.

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-29 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know I just googled save James. Funnily it's only right winged screeds that are posting this story. I wonder why that is hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-29 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Laura,

If you had read the article you'd know that a sex change operation isn't being discussed.

She is also seeking to require him to pay for the child's visits to a transgender-affirming therapist and transgender medical alterations, which may include hormonal sterilization starting at age eight.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-29 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So now it's slaughter the source(s).

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-29 01:21 PM | Reply

"To this case... someone is lying. Mom? Dad? the Author?..."

Yawn.
People lie all the time.
I giess the lies means transgender issues are about as nuanced and complex as the dog that ate your homework.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-29 01:24 PM | Reply

#2, Balderdash is a fun boardgame. Maybe you just didn't understand the rules.

Anyway, regardless of the fact partisan sites are latching on to it, the kid is obviously being used as a pawn. Kids that age will act however they think an adult expects them to act. Sounds like the mom and the therapist are leading the kid to "identify as transgender".

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-11-29 02:16 PM | Reply

"the kid is obviously being used as a pawn."

Queen.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-29 02:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Sounds like the mom and the therapist are leading the kid to "identify as transgender".

And this is different, and wrong, compared to leading the kid to identity as, I dunno, Jewish, because ________ ?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-29 02:23 PM | Reply

The kid will in fact end up sterile if continuing down the path he/she's being pushed down.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-11-29 02:34 PM | Reply

Identifying as transgender doesn't make you sterile.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-29 02:39 PM | Reply

"She is also seeking to require him to pay for the child's visits to a transgender-affirming therapist and transgender medical alterations, which may include hormonal sterilization starting at age eight."

Hormonal sterilization would however tend to make you sterile though Snoofy.

Are you being argumentative _JUST_ to be argumentative? So far an article about a topic that is actively being discussed in society with an interesting twist to it where it's a very young child and disagreement within the family has been posted, and a question posed to Laura about why she is immediately dismissive about a topic that is obviously close to home for her. From that you're posting pointed questions as if anyone has laid out any sort of opinion or agenda about the topic.

Your basically 'accusing' me of having an opinion on this topic before I've even stated anything more than this is an interesting case in the larger discussion.

#24 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-29 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

According to this court document, the mother is seeking to restrict what the father can do around the child.

savejames.com

Assuming of course that this is a real court document.

#25 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 03:04 PM | Reply

"Gender affirming therapy" implies the patient will eventually be led to medical treatment. Nobody really knows what the long term effects of giving kids puberty blockers are. These drugs were only intended and approved for delaying early onset puberty.

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-11-29 03:05 PM | Reply

"Identifying as transgender" doesn't even make sense. Transgender is not a gender. Male, female or non-binary are gender identities.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-11-29 03:21 PM | Reply

From my minimal research, Children's Medical Center out of the Dallas area is the only place that does puberty blocking medical therapy on children in the Southwest.

According to their website, here are some of the effects of the medications. It is interesting that although they claim that the puberty blocking is reversible, there are some of the effects listed as not reversible.

www.childrens.com

#28 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 04:20 PM | Reply

"the kid is obviously being used as a pawn."

Queen.
#20 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Rook.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-29 04:24 PM | Reply

Sorry, the above link wasn't specifically about puberty blocking... but is still informative to the issue at hand.

Here is a link directly to puberty blocking

www.childrens.com

#30 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 04:26 PM | Reply

From my minimal research, Children's Medical Center out of the Dallas area is the only place that does puberty blocking medical therapy on children in the Southwest.
According to their website, here are some of the effects of the medications. It is interesting that although they claim that the puberty blocking is reversible, there are some of the effects listed as not reversible.
www.childrens.com

#28 | POSTED BY IDEPENDANT97 AT 2018-11-29 04:20 PM | REPLY | FLAG

All puberty blockers do is stall puberty until the trans kid is absolutely sure they want to transition. If they don't then stopping puberty blocker will just start the puberty process that was stalled. That's it.

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-29 04:34 PM | Reply

www.pbs.org

PUTTING A PAUSE ON PUBERTY
When someone makes the decision to transition, part of that process can be social -- choosing a new name, changing pronouns, wearing different clothes -- and part of it can be medical.

One of the more recent medical developments is the use of puberty blockers to treat children who are transgender or gender non-conforming. The medications, which suppress the body's production of estrogen or testosterone, essentially pause the changes that would occur during puberty.

"That's really what these pubertal blockers do," Dr. Rob Garofalo told FRONTLINE. Garofalo is the director of the Lurie Children's Hospital's Gender and Sex Development Program. "They allow these families the opportunity to hit a pause button, to prevent natal puberty ... until we know that that's either the right or the wrong direction for their particular child."

#32 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-29 04:40 PM | Reply

Looks like the cost of puberty blocking is $15,000 to $24,000 per year of treatment.

Also, doctors do not recommend it unless the physical dysphoria is consistent and strong.

Here's a pdf with a lot of specific medical info

www.childrens.com

#33 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 04:44 PM | Reply

#32...yes, I had mixed up hormonal treatment with puberty blocking on one of my above links.

This is all new stuff to me.

I guess in this case is does the child express strong and consistent dysphoria?

#34 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 04:48 PM | Reply

The pdf link above does state that puberty blockers are not yet approved by the FDA for transgender children.

#35 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 04:50 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

The primary risks of pubertal suppression in gender dysphoric youth treated with GnRH agonists include adverse effects on bone mineralization, compromised fertility, and unknown effects on brain development

"If they don't then stopping puberty blocker will just start the puberty process that was stalled."

And what if they've already passed the age of natural puberty when they stop taking them?

There's also the fact that most children diagnosed with gender dysphoria eventually identify with their biological sex when they reach natural puberty age, but that's not the case with kids given puberty blockers. They're more likely to be given hormones which will sterilize them before reaching adulthood.

#36 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-11-29 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Look. The Right Wingers are on a culture war against the Transgender community because they lost the gay marriage fight. They will attack us for anything and everything hence this thread topic. It's sad and pathetic.

All the mother is doing is doing right by her transgender kid and the father hates it. He wants to force the kid to stay the way he wants not the way the child wants.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-29 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Look. The Right Wingers are on a culture war against the Transgender community because they lost the gay marriage fight."

Red herring. A lot of non-Right Wing and non-religious people are concerned about this too, and simply pointing out that culture warriors exist doesn't negate or address the points I brought up in #36.

#38 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-11-29 06:07 PM | Reply

I agree with your first paragrah Laura but I have no basis to judge which parent is crazy and which is sane.

It's very possible they're both awful.

Reminds me of a screwed up woman I know whose parents divorce was so nasty the father called her by one mame and the mother by another.

Imagine being so self-absorbed that seems like a good thing to not just acquiesce on for the benefit of your child.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-29 06:09 PM | Reply

I think that's just it. None of us knows what this child truly wants. And we only have limited information about the parents.

It's still an opportunity to discuss this issue. I, for one, am learning quite a lot and I appreciate that we're discussing this.

#40 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-29 07:02 PM | Reply

articles like this appear couple times a year on DR posted by right-wing freaks so that they can have
good time hating upon a sexual minority, FHK you guys

#41 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-11-30 07:36 AM | Reply

other than Laura and you coming out swinging, where is the hate?

seems like an interesting situation, when is too young, and what about when the parents dont see the same desire from the child. wanting to discuss that is hate?

#42 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-30 08:29 AM | Reply

NW. Laura's strong emotional reaction to any story regarding this issue is completely understandable. However, she's rarely rational about it which is disappointing. She is probably the most knowledgeable person regarding gender dysphoria on this site. It's a shame she is unwilling to have a rational discussion about anything regarding this issue.

#9 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-11-29 11:59 AM | FLAG:

If you want to ask questions I can point you to Gina. Gina used to be Ron. Gina is a hardcore #MAGA person, you'd love her.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-11-30 10:16 AM | Reply

All the mother is doing is doing right by her transgender kid and the father hates it. He wants to force the kid to stay the way he wants not the way the child wants.

#37 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

How can you possibly know that for certain?

Is it possible? Yes. Is it possible the mom is lying and the dad is telling the truth? Yes.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-30 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A six year old isn't in a position to know what they want to be.

#45 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-11-30 12:12 PM | Reply

"A six year old isn't in a position to know what they want to be."

But you, as someone who doen't even know the child are. Everyone posting an opinion here is full of crap. None of us know this child, the parents, the counselor, at all. And, because the issue is politically charged, it is probably an issue that should be settled by those who are involved not by a bunch of strangers who put their own political opinions up as truth instead of just biased opinions.

#46 | Posted by danni at 2018-11-30 12:24 PM | Reply

Agreed, but I'm just commenting on an interesting subject. I don't know Shinola about this particular situation but a six year old isn't in position to make life altering decisions. That's not base on my political viewpoint.

#47 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-11-30 12:33 PM | Reply

Looks like rcade will be shutting the site down. According to Danni only those that are involved should comment on issues that are discussed, ESPECIALLY political issues.

So by measure that's just about every single issue discussed on the Retort... It was fun while it lasted.

#48 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-30 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't know Shinola about this particular situation but a six year old isn't in position to make life altering decisions."

I'm quite sure that no irreversible procedures are done to six year old children.

"So by measure that's just about every single issue discussed on the Retort... It was fun while it lasted."

Nonsense, it is normal to discuss the news about economics, foreign and domestic policy, etc. It is not normal to discuss the personal medical and psychological issues of other folk's kids. When my kids were young and anyone tried to interfere in how I raised them they got an ear full.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2018-11-30 01:03 PM | Reply

Are there things you would not let your six year decide for them self such as medical procedures? Would you let him drive, smoke, get married? Why not?

#50 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-11-30 01:38 PM | Reply

I'm quite sure that no irreversible procedures are done to six year old children.

#49 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-11-30 01:03 PM | REPLY

It's not that simple.

Problems with Puberty Suppression in Treating Gender Dysphoria

By: Paul W. Hruz, M.D., Ph.D. is an associate professor of pediatrics, endocrinology, and diabetes and an associate professor of cell biology and physiology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Lawrence S. Mayer, M.B., M.S., Ph.D. is a scholar in residence in the Department of Psychiatry of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, a professor of statistics and biostatistics at Arizona State University, and a professor in the Mayo/ASU program in biomedical informatics. Paul R. McHugh, M.D. is University Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and was for twenty-six years the psychiatrist-in-chief at the Johns Hopkins Hospital.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-11-30 01:50 PM | Reply

What were your thoughts on discussing Dr. Ford and Kavanaugh then?

Personal stories, none of us know them, etc... Yet we had no issues discussing and debating it. Like it or not this is a story in the news about a highly charged politcal topic. It's going to be discussed. Also if you look back, nothing pointed or mean spirited has been said... so why the everyone is full of crap line?

To your point, most stories while political or more meta in nature and not be human at the core related, but at some point many boil down to so and so said... and we don't know the players in those stories either.

Eventually this is a site to discuss issues of the day, and there are going to be stories with people at the core, especially social issue topics.

#52 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-30 02:13 PM | Reply

Weird. I thought this would be a Boaz thread.

#53 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-11-30 02:34 PM | Reply

A six year old isn't in a position to know what they want to be.

#45 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-11-30 12:12 PM | Reply

www.vox.com

Myth #7: Children aren't old enough to know their gender identity

A study from the TransYouth Project found that trans children as young as 5 years old respond to psychological gender-association tests, which evaluate how people view themselves within gender roles, as quickly and consistently as those who don't identify as trans.

"I always knew," Jordan Geddes, a trans man in Columbia, Maryland, said. "But I grew up and had the whole world telling me I'm wrong. At that point [as a child in the 1990s], there was no visibility whatsoever about trans issues. My parents just assumed I'm a very butch lesbian."

For medical professionals who consult with parents on gender, the goal is to gauge whether a child's behavior indicates gender dysphoria, gender nonconformity, or early experimentation. Diane Ehrensaft, director of mental health at UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital's Child and Adolescent Gender Center, said parents and doctors should watch for consistence, persistence, insistence, and history of gender nonconformity, which can be evaluated early on to tell if a child is trans. But, above all, she said parents should foster a supportive environment that lets kids drive the process of establishing their own identity.

OUCHIE WAWA.

#54 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-30 02:41 PM | Reply

ouchie bang bang?

#55 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-11-30 03:22 PM | Reply

#54

It is not always the case that kids know that young. One of my kids was a very girly girl until middle school then began to struggle with gender not matching sex and freshman year of high school cane out to us as trans.

My other kid was pretty much always gender non-conforming but didn't come out as trans until he was an adult.

I also know one of my sons friends who came out as trans then a couple years later decided that he was in fact the correct gender. His parents were not supportive and that may have been part of the reason he decided he wasn't trans but if he really isn't I guess it's a good thing he never started HRT.

Every kid and every situation is different and just saying they know young doesn't always make it so.

#56 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-11-30 03:54 PM | Reply

He wants to force the kid to stay the way he wants not the way the child wants.

Stay the way he wants? If the child has a penis, it's a boy. Period. It needs to be raised as one.

If the child is a boy and is sexually attracted to other boys, it needs to be told it is GAY. That is the truth. It's not a girl just because it likes boys.

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2018-11-30 04:27 PM | Reply

I'd love to have a reasonable conversation on this subject as learning experience but this forum doesn't lend itself well to that. There are multiple stakeholders in this situation a child, parents and society as a whole (parents can't do whatever they want to their kids).

#58 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-11-30 04:28 PM | Reply

Laura,

What are your thoughts on this if the Dad's view on this is also accurate, that the child fully identifies as a boy on his own accord when he is at the Dad's house.

How do you think this should proceed?

#59 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-30 04:39 PM | Reply

Sounds like the kid is doing whatever it takes to please whichever parent he is with.

That was more or less what drove HAL insane in 2001.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-30 04:58 PM | Reply

Boaz, you're coming off pretty ignorant.

It's not always as simple as if they have a penis then they're a boy.

In the womb, it happens where the chemical cocktail of hormones isn't right at the right time, and while the body develops one way, the brain goes the other. It's not often, but it's scientifically undeniable that it happens. Sometimes it's brutally obvious, other times not so much.

This particular case it would seem that the mother sees it as obvious, while the Dad's take is that his son exhibits no desire to identify as a girl at his house. Fascinating possibilities lay here.

1. If the mom is right, and the dad is lying then he is a horrible person.
2. If the Dad is right, is the Mother lying?
- if not, why is the child acting so different with each parent?
- if not, are both parents acting in a way that the child is trying to please them by being what they seemingly want?... that a whole new can worms to dissect.
- if she is lying, is this some horrible munchausen by proxy scenario? ... another awful can of worms.
3. Why is the first jump for counseling right to a gender transition therapist? I see the mom is a pediatrician so maybe she has enough background to jump over a regular therapist first... but that just seems to going to someone that will back up a pre-determined mindset. Or maybe not I certainly don't know how the process works.

that's just a few of the nuances I see here, I can't fathom how you see this as so black and white boaz

#61 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-30 04:58 PM | Reply

"I can't fathom how you see this as so black and white boaz."

Seeing everything in black and white is Boaz's shtick.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-30 05:04 PM | Reply

Seeing everything in black and white is Boaz's shtick.

Most things are not that hard. It is very easy. A penis, a boy. A vagina, a girl. Sure, .001% of the population has both, but you cant apply that to everyone, as laura tries to do..

#63 | Posted by boaz at 2018-11-30 06:00 PM | Reply

Why does your concept of personal freedom not extend to gender self-determination, Boaz?

I am just curious why you can't frame this as "The government doesn't get to tell me who I am" like you do for other things like religion.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-30 06:03 PM | Reply

A penis, a boy. A vagina, a girl.
#63 | POSTED BY BOAZ

So whats your excuse?

You claim to have a penis, but your such a ----.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-11-30 06:05 PM | Reply

So whats your excuse?
You claim to have a penis, but your such a ----.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2018-11-30 06:05 PM | REPLY

ROFLMMFAO That's brilliant. Giggles.

#66 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-30 06:07 PM | Reply

3. Why is the first jump for counseling right to a gender transition therapist?

If the gender transition therapist is worth a darn and ethical they won't simply reaffirm the mom's mindset but seek to work with the child to determine the best course of action for the child. Now if the mom is determined I am certain she could find a therapist who would simply agree with her but that would be highly unethical for any therapist be they general or gender transition.

#67 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-11-30 06:08 PM | Reply

#64

My strong libertarian bent is part of the reason I'm pretty chill about transgender people. Pretty much the whole LBGTQ spectrum should be pretty welcome to most libertarians.

It's actually one of the litmus tests I use to decide, in my own mind, if someone is a true libertarian or a republican trying to pretend to be a libertarian.

#68 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-11-30 06:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

3. Why is the first jump for counseling right to a gender transition therapist? I see the mom is a pediatrician so maybe she has enough background to jump over a regular therapist first... but that just seems to going to someone that will back up a pre-determined mindset. Or maybe not I certainly don't know how the process works.
that's just a few of the nuances I see here, I can't fathom how you see this as so black and white boaz

#61 | POSTED BY KWRX25 AT 2018-11-30 04:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Because they are the only ones qualified to deal with Transgender issues. I tried to deal with a general head shrinker and didn't have a clue on how to help me. They wanted to work on something that I wasn't there for. Then tried to push psychotropic medications on me that I DID NOT NEED. A gender therapist on the other hand helped greatly.

#69 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-30 06:14 PM | Reply

#69 the first therapist you went to must have been devastating for you

#70 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-30 06:22 PM | Reply

#69 the first therapist you went to must have been devastating for you

POSTED BY IDEPENDANT97 AT 2018-11-30 06:22 PM | REPLY

Nah it just made me mad. Waste all of that time for naught. They could have said so at the start then I could have went elsewhere.

#71 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-30 06:27 PM | Reply

I would have thought a good therapist would be the proper first step, and they being good, would recommend the patient see the specialist.

#72 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-30 07:00 PM | Reply

There is nothing more conservative than forcing your beliefs onto children instead of giving them the tools to analyze and decide for themselves.

#73 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-11-30 07:21 PM | Reply

#73 this may be more complicated than a right vs left issue

#74 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2018-11-30 07:46 PM | Reply

"this may be more complicated than a right vs left issue"

Definitely more complicated than a left vs right issue. "Affirming" therapy sounds like it's already been decided that the child's gender doesn't conform with biological sex. It sounds like it has a lot in common with gay conversion therapies that some parents put their kids through. The kid is a freaking kindergartener, FFS. Kids that age really aren't equipped to make decisions that will drastically shape the rest of their lives.

#75 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-12-01 10:39 AM | Reply

Definitely more complicated than a left vs right issue. "Affirming" therapy sounds like it's already been decided that the child's gender doesn't conform with biological sex. It sounds like it has a lot in common with gay conversion therapies that some parents put their kids through. The kid is a freaking kindergartener, FFS. Kids that age really aren't equipped to make decisions that will drastically shape the rest of their lives.

Posted by sentinel at 2018-12-01 10:39 AM | Reply

Educate yourself before you spew your clap trap.

#76 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-01 10:47 AM | Reply

"They wanted to work on something that I wasn't there for. Then tried to push psychotropic medications on me that I DID NOT NEED."

If you really didn't need them then that sucks. However, any good therapist should either rule out or treat any other mental illness to see if the dyshoria persists before proceeding, rather than just affirming what the patient came for (or in this case what the patient's parent came for).

#77 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-12-01 10:47 AM | Reply

"Educate yourself before you spew your clap trap."

Point out how I'm wrong then. Putting young kids into a box which only affirms something that may or may not have been a passing whim does not help them figure out if they really are transgender.

#78 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-12-01 11:01 AM | Reply

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