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Tuesday, November 27, 2018

Donald Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and visited around the time he joined Trump's campaign, the Guardian has been told. A well-placed source has told the Guardian that Manafort went to see Assange around March 2016

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According to two sources, Manafort returned to the embassy in 2015. He paid another visit in spring 2016, turning up alone, around the time Trump named him as his convention manager. The visit is tentatively dated to March. ...

The revelation could shed new light on the sequence of events in the run-up to summer 2016, when WikiLeaks published tens of thousands of emails hacked by the GRU, Russia's military intelligence agency.

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Gee i wonder what he pitched to Trump to get the job?

#1 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-27 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

My guess is that Trump knew of the meetings, the hacking and the emails and Mueller was only waiting for Trump to perjure himself in writing before dropping the hammer on Manafort.

This is the Nothing Burgers Happy Meal Deal.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2018-11-27 10:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Totally coincidental, I'm sure:

"According to two sources, Manafort returned to the embassy in 2015. He paid another visit in spring 2016, turning up alone, around the time Trump named him as his convention manager. The visit is tentatively dated to March."

and

"Earlier this year Mueller indicted 12 GRU intelligence officers for carrying out the hack, which began in March 2016."

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-27 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oroville Redenbacher is going to be rich.

#4 | Posted by bored at 2018-11-27 10:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"This is the Nothing Burgers Happy Meal Deal."

With an extra side of Freedom Fries.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-27 10:59 AM | Reply

#2

Glenn Fleishman @GlennF

Fascinating theory. Mueller let Manafort lie to them and fed him bad info that he passed to Trump. Trump submitted his written answers based on that bad intel, leading to perjurious statements. No longer needing Manafort, they told the judge he lied.

www.emptywheel.net

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-27 11:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 7

Oroville Redenbacher is going to be rich.

#4 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2018-11-27 10:58 AM | FLAG:

Orville is dead.

#7 | Posted by 726 at 2018-11-27 11:58 AM | Reply

Remember what Trumpy said... he wrote all the answers himself, with no help from his lawyers. That will play big at sentencing.

#8 | Posted by 726 at 2018-11-27 12:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#6 I was going to say:
As much as I want that to be true, that sounds like wishful thinking.
Then I read Gal's link.

But Mueller's team appears to have no doubt that Manafort was lying to them. That means they didn't really need his testimony, at all. It also means they had no need to keep secrets -- they could keep giving Manafort the impression that he was pulling a fast one over the prosecutors, all while reporting misleading information to Trump that he could use to fill out his open book test. Which increases the likelihood that Trump just submitted sworn answers to those questions full of lies.

I wonder who will star as Mueller in the movie about this. Maybe Michael Lewis will write a book first.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2018-11-27 12:21 PM | Reply

#2
Glenn Fleishman @GlennF
Fascinating theory. Mueller let Manafort lie to them and fed him bad info that he passed to Trump. Trump submitted his written answers based on that bad intel, leading to perjurious statements. No longer needing Manafort, they told the judge he lied.
www.emptywheel.net

#6 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Damn...

That's the ballgame, folks.

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-11-27 01:19 PM | Reply

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Meanwhile over at Fox News, this is not even mentioned on their frontpage.

They are too busy covering hard-hitting stories like Melania's Christmas decor and a naughty wedding photographer and some guy hang gliding.

#11 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-11-27 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's an example of what Trump supporters think:

John Siebert @freedoms411

Mueller is going to jail along with Rosenstein, Comey, and Podesta. Hillary, and her gang will shortly follow. Many indictments coming soon on widespread election fraud during midterms by Democrats. We set U guys up and U took the bait!

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-27 02:09 PM | Reply

Seems important:

Federal judge delays decision on unsealing ‘interesting' Julian Assange case

The charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange will remain sealed for now, with a federal judge in Alexandria saying she would hear more before ruling on whether the public has a right to see the documents.

www.washingtonpost.com

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-27 02:21 PM | Reply

If you come here for info, you must read Gal's link. The Manafort story is brilliantly discussed. Quite a bit of insight is provided.

Fascinating theory. Mueller let Manafort lie to them and fed him bad info that he passed to Trump. Trump submitted his written answers based on that bad intel, leading to perjurious statements. No longer needing Manafort, they told the judge he lied.

www.emptywheel.net

#6 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Thanks, Gal.

#14 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-11-27 02:50 PM | Reply

The Guardian revealed that Paul Manafort met with Julian Assange three times at the Ecuadorian embassy, according to its visitor logs, including once while Manafort was running Donald Trump's campaign. This isn't some zany coincidence. This is, rather obviously, what Manafort lied to Robert Mueller about.

The source of the visitor logs has to be Ecuador itself. This strongly suggests Ecuador is working with Mueller, and already gave him the logs awhile ago. It also suggests that, now that Mueller has publicly busted Manafort for lying, Mueller has told Ecuador that it was free to give the logs to the media, which it did.

Robert Mueller's ten day delay is still the linchpin to all of this. He could have busted Manafort for lying ten days ago, when the status update was originally due. Instead he made a point of briefly delaying the news. As we pointed out last night, the only relevant item that transpired during those ten days was that Donald Trump reached his deadline and turned in his written answers about Trump-Russia collusion.

It's not difficult to parse that Mueller was looking to bait Trump into lying, in writing, about Manafort and Assange. This means Mueller (may have) Trump nailed for not only being in on the election collusion conspiracy, but then committing the additional crime of lying about it in writing.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-27 02:51 PM | Reply

Doesn't matter if Trump lies. His mouth breathing base will just get all lathered up about Mueller et al being deep state actors who will go to jail for treason.

If nothing else Trump's administration is fantastic real time evidence of the dangers of our style of government.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-27 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If you come here for info, you must read Gal's link. The Manafort story is brilliantly discussed. Quite a bit of insight is provided."

Just remember at this point it's a theory, not fact.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-27 02:57 PM | Reply

Josh Marshall @joshtpm

Holy Crap! Manafort arrived in Ecuador the same Day Trump Fired Comey!

Before traveling to Ecuador to meet with the president elect Moreno on May 9 2017, Manafort set up a cell phone and email address, both under an alias.

talkingpointsmemo.com

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-27 03:04 PM | Reply

Damn...
That's the ballgame, folks.

#10 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-11-27 01:19 PM | FLAG:

You have been saying that for 18 months! Unfortunately these so called "sources" never seem to be dependable. I heard a source say Obama met with Assange to release the emails because of his hatred for the Clintons.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-11-27 03:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I heard a source say Obama met with Assange to release the emails because of his hatred for the Clintons.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw

No, you didn't you desperate, lying stooge.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-27 03:48 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure Fishpaw was trolling, JPW.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-27 03:49 PM | Reply

#21 LOL, and JPW called me a stooge. Hey JPW another source said Hillary was Charles Manson in drag. And to think you voted for her!

#22 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-11-27 04:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#21 I'm not convinced it's not just his IQ of 70 talking.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-27 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Unfortunately these so called "sources" never seem to be dependable.

Post some anti-Trump stories where the sources were wrong. If anything the truth ends up being worse.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-27 04:41 PM | Reply

Well lookie here.... Guess who met with the Ecuadorian Foreign and Finance Ministers just yesterday as Mueller was linking Manafort to Assange?

Secretary of State (Mike) Pompeo met on November 26 with Ecuadorian Foreign Minister Jose Valencia and Finance Minister Richard Martinez. They reaffirmed their commitment to expand bilateral cooperation on a number of political and economic issues, including through the recently relaunched U.S.-Ecuador Trade and Investment Council. Secretary Pompeo confirmed U.S. support for Ecuador's efforts in strengthening democratic institutions and President Lenin Moreno's commitment to democratic reforms. He also recognized Ecuador's significant support to Venezuelan refugees and migrants and welcomed further Ecuadorian cooperation on a democratic solution to the man-made crises in Venezuela and Nicaragua.

www.state.gov

Coincidence?

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-27 04:58 PM | Reply

Coincidence?
#25 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Think the Trumpers would be open to allowing Venezuela asylum seekers into the country? You know, all those victimized by the most recent embodiment of communism? Funny how ISIS terrorists were identified in the caravan but there was no mention of the possibility that Venezuelans are seeking asylum as well.

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-11-27 05:35 PM | Reply

There is a lot of wow factor to this. I mean it shouldn't surprise anyone at this point. And to all who have been crowing about it "taking too long" - it's a huge investigation and here's yet another outcome.

The big question is did Manafort feed tRump and did tRump then lie in his answers? I mean I really get why tRump was afraid to a formal interview and how it could be "twisted" - I wouldn't ever agree to an interview without my Attorney's consent because it always gets twisted if they are investigating you. You never give consent...

However it would seem Meuller may have baited tRump into giving testimony that he not only had time to ponder but also explain his interpretation of the questions in his answers but time to get his answers perfectly clear and full of lawyereze. He filled it out himself... Oooookay. Would love to read those questions and answers...

#27 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-11-27 05:46 PM | Reply

About that theory above, Giuliani admits that Manafort's attorney fed info to Trump team.

www.nytimes.com

#28 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-11-27 10:48 PM | Reply

I'm very conflicted about this whole Mueller enquiry. Politically, I think that Trump possibly being indicted by Mueller is a bad thing for US democracy. I'd rather he was defeated on the strength of the opposition to him having superior arguments. Truth be told, his energised base is not going away. They already see Trump as a victim of Washingtonian machinations, and Mueller's gradually tightening coil of an enquiry is exhibit one into why DC is no longer fit for purpose. The mob mentality, disrespect of expertise and institutions, the low brow mannerisms that posits to be anti PC, the irrepressible rage at the elite/deep state etc; this is not going away any time soon. I suspect the more reasoned Trump supporters know deep down he's a New York huckster but the fact he can utter the unthinkable in such an exalted office serves as a valve for their disillusionment with the "system".
I worry about the implications of all this, frankly, political manuevering. I hope Mueller's final act will be to publish his report, as fully as sources and methods allow him to, then let the electorate decide Trump's fate, instead of it being the commencement of impeachment hearings.
Again, my opinion towards Assange is conflicted. He has done the world some good in exposing elite consensus as being detrimental to the preservations of our liberty and rights and he has shone a light on the ugly underbelly of the expeditionary wars that enforce America's empire. His persistent entrapment in that Embassy is a stain on the idea of justice. Whether that motivated him to become a pawn or stooge in the power games that led to the eventual election of Trump,I haven't the foggiest. But Assange should be given his day in court and the whole ugly business be done with.
Those excited by Manafort's legal difficulties as a means to a way to sink Trump should be careful what they wish for. I have a sense of foreboding, it will turn out to be bad for the Republic and democracy in America. Just my 1 euro worth of thoughts.

#29 | Posted by tunde at 2018-11-28 02:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

29 - Great post. I agree with much of it. However, impeachment is part of our political process and was precisely designed for scoundrels like Trump.

I'd love to see Trump get troubced at the polls - but if Congressional Republicans had an ounce of dignity, he'd be gone already.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-28 08:03 AM | Reply

Meanwhile, after pleading guilty and signing a plea deal with the Mueller Team, Manafort began sharing everything he knew about the Mueller investigation with the Trump Team and continuously lying to the Mueller Team. The only possible path out for Manafort now is to sit in prison until 2020 when Trump will pardon him. Without that pardon he will spend the rest of his life in prison.

#31 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-11-28 10:10 AM | Reply

"The only possible path out for Manafort now is to sit in prison until 2020 when Trump will pardon him."

And if there is a God, as Manafort walks out of the federal penitentiary, state authorities will be waiting to arrest him and take him to jail.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-28 10:21 AM | Reply

Manaforth has plead guilty to federal charges. That is evidence that can be used for summary judgement in the state trials for some charges. Others he will have to go to trial to resolve.

#33 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-11-28 02:06 PM | Reply

Manafort, emissary of Donald the L'orange
parlayed with the Australian man, julian Assange
So in London town..they gathered around
..at the Ecuadorian embassy
they plotted and schemed.. until finally it seemed
leaking stolen e mail...was their strategy
The Russians hacked Clinton and then told Assange..
who told roger stone and he told L'orange
and then Donald, with glee, said on national TV, "Wikileaks..you are my friend"
from here I don't know.. where it will go
but it'd be so apropos..if Wikileaks brought L'orange to an end

#34 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2018-11-28 02:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

That is evidence that can be used for summary judgement in the state trials for some charges.

You are thinking Civil cases, criminal defendants have a constitutional right to a jury trial so there are no pre-trial remedies like a MSJ in the criminal context.

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-28 02:14 PM | Reply

- Donald the L'orange

He's like having a L'orange Lizard for President.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2018-11-28 02:19 PM | Reply

I worry about the implications of all this, frankly, political manuevering. I hope Mueller's final act will be to publish his report, as fully as sources and methods allow him to, then let the electorate decide Trump's fate, instead of it being the commencement of impeachment hearings.

#29 | Posted by tunde

I completely disagree.

If trump ISNT impeached, it sends the message that the USA tolerates criminals in office.

One the primary goals of punishing criminals is to serve as an example to future criminals. What example does it set if criminals go unpunished?

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-28 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Yes..total BS by house Dem. leadership to say no impeachment because of Rep. senate majority. house Dem's should look at evidence under their purview..if grounds for impeachment are found, the evidence should be made public and formally presented to the senate Repub's, and in plain sight of the american public, let the senate decide or not to proceed.

#38 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2018-11-28 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Manafort and Assange deny having met at the Ecuadorian embassy in the Spring of 2016. Who's going to leak on Wikileaks? Somebody at the embassy, perhaps? Perhaps a now former employee? They do keep logs of visitations, right?

#39 | Posted by nimbleswitch at 2018-11-28 06:51 PM | Reply

and that all happened while he was under fbi survalance. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

#40 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-28 07:08 PM | Reply

I read that the embassy's visitor log doesn't show Manafort being there during this time period.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-29 10:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

His pasport does not show a trip to the UK then either. What about all the cameras on every street corner in london........ None show him in london either. This is a big BS story from fake news!!!!!!!!

#42 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-29 11:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Apparent it's just more fake news; this time from The Guardian.

#43 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-11-29 01:24 PM | Reply

I read that the embassy's visitor log doesn't show Manafort being there during this time period.

Is that like how Kavanaugh's calendar didn't say "rape" on it?

I hope you're joking, but i never can tell with neo-confederates anymore.

#44 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-29 04:45 PM | Reply

Did Someone Plant a Story Tying Paul Manafort to Julian Assange?

Luke Harding and Dan Collyns, the reporters behind the Guardian story, do not name their sources, although they claim to have multiple, and they write that they have seen an internal document from Ecuador's intelligence service listing "Paul Manaford [sic]" as a visitor to the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. Manafort, for his part, has called the Guardian's report "totally false and deliberately libelous." And White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, "Certainly I remain confident in the White House's assertion that the president was involved in no wrongdoing, was not involved in any collusion."

www.politico.com

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-29 04:54 PM | Reply

I wasn't joking.

With security cameras, visitor logs, etc and so forth...if Manafort was at that embassy we'd have tangible evidence of it, not just the word of some unnamed source.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-29 04:55 PM | Reply

Claims and counterclaims fly around Guardian Manafort–Assange scoop

www.cjr.org

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-29 05:02 PM | Reply

if Manafort was at that embassy we'd have tangible evidence of it, not just the word of some unnamed source

1. What makes you think, if those things did exist, they'd be public right now?

2. What makes you think that people of extraordinary means can't orchestrate an undocumented visit? Do you really think logs and even videos are always accurate?

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-29 06:14 PM | Reply

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