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Monday, November 26, 2018

Special counsel Robert Mueller said in a court filing Monday that Paul Manafort had breached his plea agreement by lying to investigators since signing the agreement.

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Funny how this website "rewards" those who post a story later by putting it at the top of the pile.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-11-26 08:08 PM | Reply


OK, I sit corrected.

thx, rcade. :)

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-11-26 08:21 PM | Reply


Is this an indication of the character of person that Pres Trump uses for advice?

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-11-26 08:26 PM | Reply

OWS' post did not include the latest court filing pdf. Thanks for adding that RCade.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-26 08:26 PM | Reply

And it was posted one minute later, Lamplighter. Easy mistake to make.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-26 08:27 PM | Reply

#4 That's why i posted in yours; it was a better thread.

#6 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-26 08:27 PM | Reply


@#5 ... And it was posted one minute later, Lamplighter. Easy mistake to make. ...

Yup. IMy posts have been in a similar situation. I was going to also include a smiley emoticon in my comment about the prior post, but I've gotten such grief for the smiles in the past that I didn't.

Be it known that my comment to rcade was intended in a positive light.

That aside...

Holy underwear stains, Batman. Manafort really blew it.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-11-26 08:36 PM | Reply

"Manafort really blew it."

My bet is he lied about his connections with the Russians, not having an appetite for Polonium.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-26 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

no way i can prove it but i know to the bottom of my crooked little heart..it's a matter of record that he owes the russian mob $50 million or more. he passed on the 2nd trial for a reason and what he's done since has been a delaying tactic. he's got family and there's state charges. he's where he's gonna' be. he know's it and he can't say anything and expect his wife and daughters to be safe.

#9 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-11-26 08:41 PM | Reply

Manafort Lied to FBI After Plea Deal

Translation: Manfort won't sign off on the statements created for him by a ravenous pack of dogs.

#10 | Posted by Spork at 2018-11-26 10:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Translation: Manfort won't sign off on the statements created for him by a ravenous pack of dogs."

What a riot.

Mueller has him dead to rights, and ------------- are left grasping at straws.

BTW, what was your prior handle, Cookie?

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-26 10:18 PM | Reply

I wish Manafort and his prison husband a happy life together.

#12 | Posted by bored at 2018-11-26 10:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


@#10 ... ravenous pack of dogs. ...

Mr Mueller has shown multiple times, by detailed public legal filings, that he is concerned about following the evidence trail and holding people accountable for what they have done.

Mr Mueller has been confirmed twice by the Senate for his prior positions, 98-0 and 100-0.

What are your credentials?

I'll wait for your answer.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-11-26 10:27 PM | Reply

Having filed many JSRs, I just read this one and it basically comes down to Mueller asking for a delay to tryg to increase Manatee's sentence beyond guidelines and Manatee's lawyers asking for immediate sentencing. Not unusual in a plea deal, Mueller and his team feel that Manatee was less than forthcoming (shocker) and now that he has been convicted, his lawyers want him sentenced.

This probably won't ultimately make much of a difference, the sentencing guidelines should control.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-26 11:05 PM | Reply


Still waiting ...

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-11-26 11:06 PM | Reply

#14 Most JSR's from prosecutors of this caliber don't accuse defendants of "crimes and lies" in the cooperation process when the defendant was merely "less than forthcoming." Nice spin attempt though, i give it a 6/10.

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-26 11:27 PM | Reply

Not trying to be contentious, Joe, but telling the Court in a JSR that the defendant has been "less than forthcoming" gets you nowherek, you need to say they lied. The meat of what they are accusing Manatee with is in the accompanying sentencing submission which is required when you are accusing someone who plea bargained of not living up to their deal.

If that document is earthshaking, the Court can discard the plea agreement, which notably isn't something that Manafort is requesting, merely an expedited sentencing. Oddly, counsel for the defendants are asking for a sentencing hearing as well, so that raises the question as to what the dispute is all about.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-27 12:36 AM | Reply

"Oddly, counsel for the defendants are asking for a sentencing hearing as well"

Not odd at all.

Trump simply needs to know what he's pardoning.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-27 12:38 AM | Reply

#17 I believe you that that sort of hyperbole to get the judge's attention is probably common practice in lower level criminal cases. At this level, i simply do not believe Mueller would make such an accusation unless it were provably true, and in spades.

Moreover, Manafort just traded a 6-8 year sentence for dying in prison. I think it's likely he was induced to lie via additional criminal activity, be it the dangling of a pardon or the threat of novichok.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-27 07:52 AM | Reply

Put him in Leavenworth for a long time.

Trump's cabal is wagering that by hanging tough they will get pardons from their Don. Some (read: Jared and DJTJ) may, others may not. Someone is going to be left holding a flaming bag of dog excrement on the front steps of some bad federal pen. Mueller will exercise what leverage he has, and this appears to be one area where 'Testosterone' Matt Whitaker cannot stop Mueller. Put a few of these bad actors in a bad place, and the others will start talking loud and long. Believe me...

#20 | Posted by catdog at 2018-11-27 09:30 AM | Reply

My thinking is the Trump threw Manafort under the bus with his written answers.

#21 | Posted by 726 at 2018-11-27 10:09 AM | Reply

Reflecting on #21, I think it goes the other way. Mueller knew Manafort met with Assange. Mueller knew Manafort lied to him and waited for Trump to submit his answers about whether Trump knew about the meeting with Assange and Manafort and now Trump has perjured himself.

#22 | Posted by 726 at 2018-11-27 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't forget that Mueller has more sources than just Manafort and Trump. You can assume both of them are lying and that Flynn and Gates have given Mueller what he needs.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-27 10:32 AM | Reply

Sounds like Mueller has known Manafort was lying for a while now and was keeping that secret, waiting for Trump to submit his answers to Mueller's questions, to see if they got their lies straight.

#24 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-11-27 10:33 AM | Reply

Moreover, Manafort just traded a 6-8 year sentence for dying in prison. I think it's likely he was induced to lie via additional criminal activity, be it the dangling of a pardon or the threat of novichok.

#19 | POSTED BY JOE

He was convicted on 7 counts each of which carries up to a 10-year sentence. On top of that he has another trial pending. He's dying in prison no matter what.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-27 11:23 AM | Reply

"He's dying in prison no matter what"

That's one Steep Price, for a bunch of "Nothing Burgers"

#26 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-11-27 11:37 AM | Reply

At this level, i simply do not believe Mueller would make such an accusation unless it were provably true, and in spades.

That could be the case, but the Defense's response is so benign that leads me to believe that more is being read into this than needs to be. As Jeff notes, Manfatee has been convicted of 7 offenses (I don't know nor do I care enough to look up to see which are cumulative), but even if he gets 20 years that is tantamount to life in prison, which he justly deserves.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-27 12:58 PM | Reply

He was convicted on 7 counts each of which carries up to a 10-year sentence. On top of that he has another trial pending. He's dying in prison no matter what.

Are we talking about the same case? He pleaded guilty to two counts in this case and was going to get a favorable recommendation feom the government (i.e. much less than the maximum sentence) if he cooperated. The accepted analysis at the time he agreed to this deal was that he might get out of prison before he dies.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-27 01:06 PM | Reply

Are we talking about the same case?

I was talking about the case that was decided a few months ago which could carry up to a 70-year prison sentence.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-27 01:07 PM | Reply

Ok. So Manafort is playing for a presidential pardon. No big surprise. Either he gets it or he dies in prison. Pieces of s**t such as Manafort deserve everything bad that happen to them. No shock he is also Trump's buddy.

#30 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-11-27 02:20 PM | Reply

What should Mueller's backlash / penalties be when this turns up a BIG ZERO?

all the lost brain power for what? A Hillary smokescreen? Mueller should have to pay a price for this poopfest.

#31 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-11-28 03:15 AM | Reply

"What should Mueller's backlash / penalties be when this turns up a BIG ZERO?"

1. Your math sucks.
2. How many indictments has Mueller produced?
3. How many guilty pleas has Mueller secured?
4. How many witnesses has Mueller flipped?
5. Did you miss Junior ADMITTING to attempted conspiracy with the Russians?
6. Did you miss the fact roughly EVERYONE on Team Trump lied every time they were asked about the Russians?
7. Did you miss the fact the former AG had to give three versions of "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"?
8. Did you miss the fact Corsi's explanation yesterday fell apart within an hour, when emails were released contradicting his claims?
9. Do you remember all the indictments and guilty pleas from the Benghazi investigations and the investigations into HRC's emails?
10. Is your head up your ass?

BTW...#9 is a trick question. You probably don't remember that...because there were no indictments, no charges, and of course, no guilty pleas.

Before long, "Mueller" will fall into the "Vince Foster" and "Benghazi" pile: bringing them up is an admission of partisan stupidity.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-28 08:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

What should Mueller's backlash / penalties be when this turns up a BIG ZERO?

#31 | Posted by AuntieSocial

We shake our heads in wonder.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2018-11-28 10:25 AM | Reply

Why screw around with this convicted criminal? He lies almost as much as that Sporky freak.

LOCK HIM UP!
LOCK HIM UP!
LOCK HIM UP!

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-28 01:25 PM | Reply

Is the Mueller investigation even really about any of the accusations? really. Or is the Establishment just pissed off their donkey or their good ol boy didn't make the presidential roster?

I still find all this bulloney highly suspect regardless of which side of the aisle you claim.

#35 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-11-28 01:46 PM | Reply


Is the Mueller investigation even really about any of the accusations? really?

#35 | Posted by AuntieSocial

You don't have enough patience to last through a double-feature picture show. Just because Trump's got ADHD, it doesn't mean it's a good thing.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2018-11-28 02:00 PM | Reply

I still find all this bulloney highly suspect regardless of which side of the aisle you claim.

#35 | Posted by AuntieSocial

Do you find THIS highly suspect?

Summer 2016 - Trump says in a speech that he'll have some mind blowing dirt on the clintons to share next week.
That weekend - his idiot son meets with russians in trump tower to get dirt on the clintons, but doesn't get anything.
The next week - trump never makes good on his promise of dirt on the clintons.

Just all a coincidence right sucker?

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-28 02:04 PM | Reply

See. Case in point. Hillary knows Russia is not the USSR super power she claims. OMG! Chickenhawk can't wait to invade.

I am only partially delusional. I guess you pick and choose what you want out of the lie matrix.

What is really going on here? This news cycle as a total sum whole just feels like a psychological distraction from getting down to things that matter. Awful. simply awful. It's not core Walter Cronkite journalism anymore, it's bad reality TV.

add vomiting sounds here.

www.youtube.com

#38 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-11-28 02:31 PM | Reply

#38 | Posted by AuntieSocial

You're not partially delusional. You're fully delusional if you think both sides are the same or that there is any doubt trump colluded with the russians.

That's why you dodged post #37.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-28 02:35 PM | Reply

I am excited to see what Mueller actually charges The Don and his inner circle with.

If it ends up being nothing... then my silence will be my vindication.

BRING ON THE INDICTMENTS BABY!

#40 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-11-28 02:41 PM | Reply

egg-xactly.

Manfort won't sign off on the statements created for him by a ravenous pack of dogs.

#41 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-11-28 02:46 PM | Reply

I am excited to see what Mueller actually charges The Don and his inner circle with.

If it ends up being nothing... then my silence will be my vindication.

BRING ON THE INDICTMENTS BABY!

#40 | Posted by AuntieSocial

And what will be your reaction when republicans do everything possible to prevent you from seeing what those charges are?

Better yet - what is your reaction to trump hiring a guy who has no qualifications except loyalty to trump to run this investigation?

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-28 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then this has all been for naught. Thanks for proving my point.

TRUMP 2020

#43 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-11-28 02:53 PM | Reply

Hopefully Trump will be dead by 2020 and we won't have to worry about reelection.

#44 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-11-28 03:00 PM | Reply

Then this has all been for naught. Thanks for proving my point.

TRUMP 2020

#43 | Posted by AuntieSocial

Wait - if repubs bury the report, you're just going to say "Oh well" and be fine with it? That won't lead you to any conclusions about trump or the republican party in general?

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-28 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then this has all been for naught. Thanks for proving my point.

TRUMP 2020
#43 | POSTED BY Anti-American

Hey racist, we know you live in DumbF***istan, but you are truly proving yourself to be a flaming gullible moron as well.
Only question will be will you come back here after your and your kind's world colllapses under the wieght of their own criminality.

Trump/Prison 2020

#46 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-11-28 03:04 PM | Reply

Getting the NPC'S riled up is fun, however-

Bring on the actual indictments then we will have something tangible to converse about. Speculation does no one any good.

#47 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-11-28 03:52 PM | Reply

Getting the NPC'S riled up is fun, however-

Bring on the actual indictments then we will have something tangible to converse about. Speculation does no one any good.

#47 | Posted by AuntieSocial

No one outside your cult knows what all your breitbart abbreviations stand for.

So far, anyone who has SPECULATED that at any point in this investigation trump will do what a guilty person would do, has been proven right at every step of the way.

In fact, let's make it interesting - care to make a wager that trump will try to prevent america from hearing the evidence in the case?

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-28 03:58 PM | Reply

"Bring on the actual indictments then we will have something tangible to converse about." - #47 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-11-28 03:52 PM

Okay:

George Papadopoulos October 3, 2017 1 count: false statements Pleaded guilty on October 5, 2017.[353] Sentenced to 14 days in prison, a $9,500 fine, 200 hours of community service and 12 months probation on September 7, 2018.[354] D.D.C.[355]
Rick Gates October 27, 2017[A] 2 counts: conspiracy against the United States and false statements Pleaded guilty on February 23, 2018.[357] D.D.C.[358]
February 22, 2018 23 counts: assisting in the preparation of false tax returns (×5), subscribing to false tax returns (×5), filing a false amended return, failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts (×3), bank fraud conspiracy (×5), and bank fraud (×4) Charges dismissed without prejudice on February 27, 2018.[359] E.D. Va.[360]
Paul Manafort October 27, 2017[B] 2 counts: conspiracy against the United States and conspiracy to obstruct justice Pleaded guilty on September 14, 2018.[363] D.D.C.[364]
February 22, 2018 18 counts: filing false tax returns (×5), failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts (×4), bank fraud conspiracy (×5), and bank fraud (×4) Found guilty on 8 counts, mistrial declared on 10 counts on August 21, 2018.[365] E.D. Va.[360]
Michael Flynn November 30, 2017 1 count: false statements Pleaded guilty on December 1, 2017.[366] D.D.C.[367]
Richard Pinedo February 2, 2018 1 count: identity fraud Pleaded guilty on February 2, 2018.[368] Sentenced to six months in prison, followed by six months of home confinement on October 10, 2018.[369] D.D.C.[370]
Alex van der Zwaan February 16, 2018 1 count: false statements Pleaded guilty on February 16, 2018. Sentenced to 30 days in prison and a $20,000 fine on April 3, 2018.[371]
Deported to the Netherlands on June 5, 2018.[372][373] D.D.C.[374]

Dzheykhun Aslanov
Gleb Vasilchenko
Internet Research Agency LLC

8 counts: conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and aggravated identity theft (×6) Outside US jurisdiction D.D.C.[375]

Irina Kaverzina
Vladimir Venkov

7 counts: conspiracy to defraud the United States, and aggravated identity theft (×6)

Anna Bogacheva
Maria Bovda
Robert Bovda
Mikhail Burchik
Mikhail Bystrov
Aleksandra Krylova
Vadim Podkopaev
Sergey Polozov
Yevgeny Prigozhin
Concord Catering

1 count: conspiracy to defraud the United States
Concord Management and Consulting LLC 1 count: conspiracy to defraud the United States Pleaded not guilty on May 9, 2018.[376]
Konstantin Kilimnik June 8, 2018 2 counts: obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice Outside US jurisdiction D.D.C.[362]

Boris Antonov
Dmitriy Badin
Nikolay Kozachek
Aleksey Lukashev
Artem Malyshev
Sergey Morgachev
Viktor Netyksho
Aleksey Potemkin
Ivan Yermakov
Pavel Yershov

July 13, 2018 10 counts: conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, aggravated identity theft (×8), and conspiracy to launder money D.D.C.[377]
Aleksandr Osadchuk 11 counts: conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States (×2), aggravated identity theft (×8), and conspiracy to launder money
Anatoliy Kovalev 1 count: conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States

#49 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-28 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bring on the actual indictments

#47 | Posted by AuntieSocial

Okay: [indictments]

#49 | Posted by Hans

AuntieSocial: Poof!

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-28 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hans.....game, set, match, and thread winner!
Good work sir!

#51 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-11-29 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Anyone can find an indictment, how bout ones where there is an actual conspiracy that matches the volume of the outrage.

For example the worst offender,George Papadopoulos has now served 29% of his prison time. 10 whole days left of a sentence that still has nothing to do with Russian collusion.

#52 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-11-29 08:01 PM | Reply

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