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Sunday, November 25, 2018

Concentrations of key gases in the atmosphere that are driving up global temperatures reached a new high in 2017. In their annual greenhouse gas bulletin, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says there is no sign of reversal in this rising trend. Carbon dioxide levels reached 405 parts per million (ppm) in 2017, a level not seen in 3-5 million years. Researchers also note the resurgence of a banned gas called CFC-11. Scientists are very worried that when they measure the chemistry of the atmosphere they find that things are still going in the wrong direction. "I am very concerned that the three greenhouse gases most responsible for climate change (CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide) are all rising upwards unabated," said Prof Corinne Le Quéré from the University of East Anglia. "CO2 concentrations are now well above 400ppm - levels were 321ppm when I was born, that is a big rise in a human lifetime!"

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Of course sniper has no clue that weather isnt the same thing as climate.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-22 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sniper, honest question: do you consider NYC to be representative of the entire globe? Like, if it's cold there, it must be cold everywhere? Or if there's a drought there, that means there's no rain anywhere on the planet? Or if it's raining in NYC, it must also be raining in Chicago, Beijing, Dallas, Sydney, Cairo, Baghdad, Quebec City, Las Angeles, and Sau Paulo?

I'm serious about this. I want you to answer this question.

#5 | Posted by dylanfan at 2018-11-22 10:27 PM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Maybe you are googling the wrong thing.

Try "winter".

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-23 10:32 AM | Reply

I have been releasing gas all day.

Kind of cold here. Just doing my part.

#7 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-11-23 06:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I have been releasing gas all day." - #7 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-11-23 06:11 PM

You've been releasing gas here on the Retort since March 23, 2007.

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-23 06:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 2


Maersk sends first container ship through Arctic route
www.reuters.com

... A Maersk vessel loaded with Russian fish and South Korean electronics will next week become the first container ship to navigate an Arctic sea route that Russia hopes will become a new shipping highway.

The Arctic voyage by the 3,600 20-foot container capacity Venta Maersk is the latest step in the expansion of the so-called Northern Sea Route which is becoming more accessible to ships as climate change reduces the amount of sea ice. ...


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-11-25 06:59 PM | Reply


US oil firm's bid to drill for oil in Arctic hits snag: a lack of sea ice
www.theguardian.com

...Plans to establish the first oil drilling operation in US Arctic waters have hit an ironic snag – a lack of sea ice caused by rapid warming in the region.

Last month, the Trump administration approved the go-ahead of the Liberty project to extract oil from beneath the Beaufort Sea, off Alaska's north coast. The drilling would be the first of its kind in federal waters in the Arctic and follows Trump's reversal of an Obama-era ban on fossil fuel activity in the polar region.

But in order to get to the oil, Hilcorp Energy, the Texas-based company behind the project, has to construct a temporary gravel island about five miles offshore so it can drill in shallow water.

This nine-acre structure requires an expanse of landfast sea ice, or ice that forms each winter and attaches to the coast, which would then be covered in gravel and then concrete. However, a recent lack of shoreline ice has complicated Hilcorp's plan to extract up to 70,000 barrels of oil a day, totaling around 150m barrels over two decades, from the site....


#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-11-25 07:12 PM | Reply

I'm not a scientist, but... therefore, ignore my comments on this topic.

#11 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-11-25 07:55 PM | Reply

Who is NOT blocking Sniper? Why are you not blocking Sniper?

#12 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-11-25 07:56 PM | Reply

Who is NOT blocking Sniper? Why are you not blocking Sniper?

POSTED BY HAMBURGLAR AT 2018-11-25 07:56 PM | REPLY

They probably keep him on their computer screens because they can always go. I may be dumb but I'm not Sniper dumb so it boosts their egos a bit.

#13 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-25 08:00 PM | Reply

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I'm not blocking Sniper because I don't block anybody.

#14 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-11-25 08:55 PM | Reply

Why would you block someone?

What are you afraid of?

#15 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-11-25 10:46 PM | Reply

Why would you block someone?
#15 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

Because some posters never say anything worth reading. They are a complete waste of time.

#16 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-11-25 11:26 PM | Reply

They are a complete waste of time.
#16 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

They are also Russian bots or trolls.

#17 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-11-26 09:38 AM | Reply

Sniper is useful as a case study how some people think they way they do.

It genuinely baffles me. His argument makes about as much sense as people saying "Al Gore!".

How can a person believe the science of climate change, which began with Arrhenius in the late 1800s missed something so ridiculously basic?

How can someone cling to their belief after being educated over and over again?

How can someone feel superior thinking like this?

It explains why uneducated white men compose a large part of Trump's base.

Trump has validated their beliefs. He's an alpha example of Dunning-Kruger.

In my experience, if you follow science you'll be arguing with both the left (vaccines, GMO) and the right (global warming, gun violence).

Cognitive bias is very difficult to overcome. Facts don't seem to do it. Emotional appeals might but it's antithetical to what science is about.

I have changed my mind if there is better evidence to support it. I investigate counter arguments and their evidence for their position. I think a big part was taking courses like statistics and doing a residency that embraced evidence based practices.

#18 | Posted by zarnon at 2018-11-26 10:32 AM | Reply

Planet Earth is retaliating for pumping it's guts out into the air. Where they don't belong.

We haven't seen anything, yet.

#19 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-11-26 10:49 AM | Reply

I have been releasing gas all day.

Kind of cold here. Just doing my part.

#7 | Posted by sawdust

It's nice to see morons joking about people dying.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-26 11:14 AM | Reply

climate change, which began with Arrhenius in the late 1800s
#18 | Posted by zarnon

It actually began with Fourier (he of the Fourier Series) in 1830 when he discovered the greenhouse effect and proved it was caused by CO2. Arrhenius linked his discovery to a warmer climate caused by burning fossil fuels in 1898. Fourier's experiments could be easily duplicated by a high school science class today.

#21 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-11-26 01:15 PM | Reply

Fear not, the capitalists will save us!

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FTA:

What Land Will Be Underwater in 20 Years? Figuring It Out Could Be Lucrative

#22 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-11-26 06:13 PM | Reply

In my experience, if you follow science you'll be arguing with both the left (vaccines, GMO) and the right (global warming, gun violence).

#18 | Posted by zarnon at 2018-11-26 10:32 AM | Reply

I'm sorry, but those examples of anti-science you attribute to the left are really not so easily pegged to a political leaning. Especially anti-vax, which is equally a problem in the left and right:

Here is an article examining the political leanings of anti-vax sentiment. It's been found to be relatively even between the left and right.

Anti-GMO seems to be in a similar boat: From a Pew Research Study "Other factors – including people's education and general level of science knowledge –are only modestly linked with beliefs about the health effects of GM foods. While a related Pew Research Center report found issues related to climate and energy issues are strongly divided along political lines, Democrats and Republicans hold similar views on the effects of eating GM foods."

Both GMO and gun violence science are probably on shakier ground, scientifically, than the other two. While there seems to be a general consensus in science about GMO foods not having any more acute danger to human health than other foods, the effects on the environment and long-term health are not as well studied. Gun violence cause-and-effect studies I don't know much about, so I can't really comment.

If you want to paint the left as equally anti-science as the right, you're going to have to look harder for some good examples.

#23 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2018-11-26 07:37 PM | Reply

It's almost like we can't burn all the fossil fuels that were deposited over millions of years and expect no consequences? Shocked. Awed. Shocked and awed.

#24 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-11-27 01:34 AM | Reply

Ocean circulation in North Atlantic is at its weakest for 1,500 years - and at levels that previously triggered a mini Ice Age, study warns

Study shows the levels are at their lowest for 1,500 years
Currents have a 'profound effect' on both North American and European climate
Researcher found a similar weak signal during a period called the Little Ice Age, a cold spell observed between about 1600 and 1850 AD

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-27 11:05 AM | Reply

"Ocean circulation in North Atlantic is at its weakest for 1,500 years..." - #25 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-27 11:05 AM

From the exact same (non-sourced) story in #25 (that I am taking the time to source):

Ocean circulation in North Atlantic is at its weakest for 1,500 years - and at levels that previously triggered a mini Ice Age, study warns

[snip] The study shows the levels are at their lowest of for 1,500 years - and climate change is to blame.

Turning liberal on us, snippy?

Or are you just too stupid to bother reading and understanding what you copy/pasted?

You can't seem to get anything right.

#26 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-27 11:15 AM | Reply

Headline is a lie. -#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-27 10:33 AM

Correct one: "Gas levels return to levels found naturally occurring 3-5 million years ago, roughly 1/10th of actual record."

#27 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-11-27 11:42 AM | Reply

Weather factoid: all but 5 days this November in Michigan have been below average temps.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-27 12:09 PM | Reply

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