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Texas' Board of Education voted Friday to change the way its students learn about the Civil War. Beginning in the 2019-2020 school year, students will be taught that slavery played a "central role" in the war.

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Teaching history is a small step.

Pretty soon kids in Fort Worth, Waco, Dallas, San Antonio, etc will learn that Jesus didn't ride to the first church on a dinosaur and everything.

Actual science classes are sure to follow.

This is exciting, folks!

#1 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-11-17 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Beginning in the 2019-2020 school year, students will be taught that slavery played a "central role" in the war.

Blasphemy!

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-17 12:10 PM | Reply

Now if they teach that water is wet, well, Tejas is on its way. Good job Tex!

#3 | Posted by zelkova at 2018-11-17 06:13 PM | Reply

This is not going to sit well with the alt-right confederates.

#4 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-11-18 02:33 AM | Reply

Just wait, another ten years, and the students in Texas will also be learning that the Earth is round.

#5 | Posted by berto42 at 2018-11-18 07:59 AM | Reply

Wait till they find out that Democrats started the KKK.

#6 | Posted by Spork at 2018-11-18 01:07 PM | Reply

What's next?
Heliocentricity?

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2018-11-18 01:24 PM | Reply

"Wait till they find out that Democrats started the KKK." - #6 | Posted by Spork at 2018-11-18 01:07 PM

They didn't.

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-18 02:00 PM | Reply

"Democrats started the KKK."

Using that "logic", Saddam was guarded only by Republicans.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-18 02:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Democrats started the KKK."

Careful, you'll turn Texas blue!

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-18 03:13 PM | Reply

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As a high school graduate of a Texas Independent School District in the late 80s, to the best of my recollection, the main religious figures discussed were Moses, Abraham, Jesus, and Paul. Along with Saladin and Mohanmmed. The teachers were on their best behavior to appear as general as possible and avoid proselyting.

#11 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-11-18 06:13 PM | Reply

All of the confederate states produced articles of secession in which they explained in great detail why they were seceding. So there is no need to debate it. Unlike some people today they knew secession was a big deal so they wanted everyone to understand why they were doing it. I guess that's just fake news.

#12 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-11-19 08:15 AM | Reply

The relative unimportance of slavery as a cause for war was made clear by Lincoln himself during his campaign for the Presidency in 1860, and he repeated that message in his first inaugural address:
Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican administration then- property and their peace and personal security are to be endangered.... I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it now exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

Even after the outbreak of war in 1861, Lincoln confirmed his previous stand. He declared:

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could do it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.

It may come as a surprise to learn that, by strict definition, Abraham Lincoln was a white supremacist. In his fourth debate with Senator Stephen Douglas, he addressed the subject bluntly:

I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 11:21 AM | Reply

#13

Sniper, nothing Lincoln said in either of those remakes changed the fact that he was an outspoken abolitionist from early in his political career and his election added fuel to the rising fires of secession.

#14 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-11-19 11:45 AM | Reply

Any person with an IQ over 80 can read all the facts and learn that slavery was the catalyst, not the reason.

#15 | Posted by humtake at 2018-11-19 12:20 PM | Reply

All of the confederate states produced articles of secession in which they explained in great detail why they were seceding. So there is no need to debate it. Unlike some people today they knew secession was a big deal so they wanted everyone to understand why they were doing it. I guess that's just fake news.
#12 | POSTED BY SOMEBODYELSE
#13 | POSTED BY SNIPER
Any person with an IQ over 80 can read all the facts and learn that slavery was the catalyst, not the reason.
#15 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

So which States' Rights were the issue besides Slavery?

Because you all three just proved to be complete morons.

The issue of States' Rights was the South abolishing Federal Laws they didn't like: namely slavery related laws.

The issues were just economics of slavery and political control of slavery: i.e. having slaves, buying slaves, treatment of slaves, return of slaves, etc.

Lincoln's election, without a single Southern electoral vote, was the turning point. The South felt they lost influence over the slavery issue and turned to secession.

Texas, like you three morons, are just trying to muddy the waters and pretend protecting slavery wasn't the only issue.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-11-19 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"slavery was the catalyst, not the reason."

Here we go again... Them Confederates are gonna deny it was about Slavery, again.

All them Confederates are going to come out of their hidey holes and declare it was about the Lost Cause ya'll!

States Rights! (The right to keep slaves of course!)

Oh no they say...the South was just fighting for their cherished way of life. It was just a struggle for the virtues of the antebellum South, they viewed the American Civil War as an honorable struggle for the "Southern way of life" (the central role of which was slavery, of course).

Go hump yourselves.

You lost. America threw you to the curb. We believe that ALL MEN WERE CREATED EQUAL. And we will keep fighting to achieve that goal of a More Perfect Union.

In spite of you Neanderthals.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-19 01:16 PM | Reply

Any person with an IQ over 80 can read all the facts and learn that slavery was the catalyst, not the reason.

#15 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2018-11-19 12:20 PM | FLAG:

What was the cause, then?

#18 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-11-19 01:27 PM | Reply

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 11:21 AM

I'm sure there's a reason why snippy didn't identify the author of his post as G. Edward Griffin, a member and officer of the John Birch Society, who claims that HIV/AIDS doesn't exist, and who believes that airplanes leave a permanent grid of chemtrails hanging over cities like Los Angeles.

So of course he would believe that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

#19 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-19 03:54 PM | Reply

So, who to believe, snippy and his unidentified conspiracy theorist, or...

"Our new government is founded upon exactly [this] idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth." - Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861

#20 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-19 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It may come as a surprise to learn that, by strict definition, Abraham Lincoln was a white supremacist."

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.
So no, it's no surprise that he's a white supremacist too.
Glad we cleared that up, little Sniper.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-19 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Any person with an IQ over 80 can read all the facts and learn that slavery was the catalyst, not the reason.

#15 | Posted by humtake

Lincoln being a politician, made slavery an issue when things were not going well for him. Slavery was a big issue in the second half of the war.

#22 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 04:25 PM | Reply

So which States' Rights were the issue besides Slavery?

Because you all three just proved to be complete morons.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant

You will NEVER learn anything about history. The war started over the south having the raw materials and the north had the industry. It started over taxes and duties.

#23 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 04:27 PM | Reply

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The Northern and Southern sections of the United States developed along different lines. The South remained a predominantly agrarian economy while the North became more and more industrialized. Different social cultures and political beliefs developed. All of this led to disagreements on issues such as taxes, tariffs and internal improvements as well as states rights versus federal rights.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 04:30 PM | Reply

You will NEVER learn anything about history. The war started over the south having the raw materials and the north had the industry. It started over taxes and duties.

#23 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-11-19 04:27 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Citation needed, liar. You are such an obvious fraud.

#25 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-11-19 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" The war started over the south having the raw materials and the north had the industry. It started over taxes and duties." - #23 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 04:27 PM

The North had coal and iron, and the means to turn them into weapons of war.

The only raw material the South had was cotton.

And unless it is a girls' pillow fight, cotton just isn't that good for fighting wars.

#26 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-19 04:30 PM | Reply

Sniper is one of those dyed in the wool racists who keeps a dictionary from 1933 handy because it defines the n word as "a lazy person" not a racial slur.

His revisionist Civil War history isn't any better.

Sniper, did counting slaves as 3/5 a person help the cause of slavery, or hurt it?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-19 04:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 11:21 AM

I'm sure there's a reason why snippy didn't identify the author of his post as G. Edward Griffin, a member and officer of the John Birch Society, who claims that HIV/AIDS doesn't exist, and who believes that airplanes leave a permanent grid of chemtrails hanging over cities like Los Angeles.

So of course he would believe that the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

#19 | Posted by Hans

I quote Lincoln's speeches and you dumb ---- it. You are a moron hands. You can look up any of the speeches I posted and find them to be true.

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 04:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The only raw material the South had was cotton."

Let's be fair, Cotton and Negroes were their two main crops.

Like cotton, slaves had to be grown locally, after the 1808 import ban.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-19 04:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Citation needed, liar. You are such an obvious fraud.

#25 | Posted by DirkStruan

What is a lie ace? Prove me wrong.

#30 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 04:35 PM | Reply

The South remained a predominantly agrarian economy...

So much for the claim...

"The war started over the south having the raw materials ..." - #23 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 04:27 PM
I'm surprised the Confederate battle flag wasn't carrots and cotton instead of stars and bars.

#31 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-19 04:35 PM | Reply

They also had tobacco.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-11-19 04:35 PM | Reply

"I quote Lincoln's speeches ..." - #28 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 04:32 PM

You did no such thing, snippy.

#33 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-19 04:36 PM | Reply

Yes! Good call on tobacco. That's what they grew on the plantation in my home town.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-19 04:38 PM | Reply

What is a lie ace? Prove me wrong.

#30 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-11-19 04:35 PM | FLAG:

Not how arguments work, liar. You made the claim. You back it up.

#35 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-11-19 04:39 PM | Reply

"quote Lincoln's speeches"

So what?

#36 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-11-19 04:42 PM | Reply

You have to have an IQ under 50 like dumtake to think slavery wasn't the central reason. It was all about lazy cheaters wanting to maintain their free ride via a slave economy.

#37 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-11-19 04:43 PM | Reply

The CSA was nice enough to leave us declarations of separations listing why they were going.

Slavery was near the top of the list for more than a few of them.

#38 | Posted by Tor at 2018-11-19 04:53 PM | Reply

Slavery was a big issue in the second half of the war.

#22 | Posted by Sniper

Slavery has been an"issue" since America was founded. Many of the Founding Fathers knew very well that "All Men Are Created Equal" was a time bomb.

The only reason it took so long is that the FF did not consider the Negro as a Man but a sub-species.

Many White Supremacists still believe that today.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-19 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It was all about lazy cheaters wanting to maintain their free ride via a slave economy."

If you listen closely you can still hear them cry for "Reparations!"

Because the government took away their property without compensation by giving the slaves freedom.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-19 05:04 PM | Reply

All of this led to disagreements on issues such as taxes, tariffs and internal improvements as well as states rights versus federal rights.

#24 | Posted by Sniper

So? WE have disagreements today. We don't go to war with each other over "disagreements". It takes a little more than that.

It has always been about slavery and it is still about slavery. Now it is about the economic damage we did to the black man during and after the time he was a slave to the white man and how we have kept them disadvantaged and in economic slavery right on up until the present day.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-19 05:08 PM | Reply

Majority of the founders allowed slavery because they knew if they touched that third rail they would have every rich slave owner trying to leave the fledging union.

#42 | Posted by Tor at 2018-11-19 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I quote Lincoln's speeches ..." - #28 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-19 04:32 PM

You did no such thing, snippy.

#33 | Posted by Hans

I cannot find it either. Where is this Lincoln quote? We know that Lincoln, for political reasons, could not directly call for the emancipation of the black man until well into the war or he would have lost what support he had in Congress.

Lincoln was probably the only man in America that could have walked that razors edge and pulled it off.

That is why we honor him so.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-19 05:16 PM | Reply

"All of this led to disagreements on issues such as taxes, tariffs and internal improvements as well as states rights versus federal rights.
#24 | Posted by Sniper"

^
Notice that in Sniper's world, there was no disagreement about whether the Negro should be enslaved.

What's the Missouri Compromise, Sniper?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-19 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

avalon.law.yale.edu

In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.
The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."
This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River

avalon.law.yale.edu

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

www.civilwarcauses.org

Laws clearly constitutional and as decided to be by the Federal Judiciary as well as by the Courts of all the non slaveholding States where the question has been presented for adjudication have been by counter legislation rendered inoperative, laws without the power to pass which none will deny that the Constitution would not have been adopted.
The nullification of these laws by the Legislatures of two thirds of the non slaveholding States important as it is in itself is additionally as is furnishing evidence of an open disregard of constitutional obligation, and of the rights and interests of the slaveholding States and of a deep and inveterate hostility to the people of these States.

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-11-19 05:30 PM | Reply

civilwarwiki.net

WHEREAS, the election of Abraham Lincoln and Hannibal Hamlin to the offices of President and Vice-President of the United States of America, by a sectional party, avowedly hostile to the domestic institutions and to the peace and security of the people of the State of Alabama, preceded by many and dangerous infractions of the Constitution of the United States by many of the States and people of the northern section, is a political wrong of so insulting and menacing a character as to justify the people of the State of Alabama in the adoption of prompt and decided measures for their future peace and security; therefore,

avalon.law.yale.edu

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

avalon.law.yale.edu

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy.

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-11-19 05:35 PM | Reply

I mean you could just look at the reasons the south gave for secession in their own words.

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-11-19 05:36 PM | Reply

RE 45&46

Too many facts. Too many words. You will never reach snippy that way!

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-19 05:37 PM | Reply

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