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Friday, November 09, 2018

It should be abundantly clear by now that the Democratic Party leadership will be selecting a candidate in 2020 in all ways identical to Hillary Clinton but perhaps with a less tawdry past and less of an appetite for Goldman-Sachs speaking fees. Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Andrew Cuomo, et al have no intention of allowing upstarts like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to spoil their plans, even if it means a second term for Donald Trump.

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The Democratic party needs new leadership. The current leadership is filled with people that gives away the house and the barn too. It's a disgrace.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-09 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--have no intention of allowing upstarts like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to spoil their plans,

O'Crazio-Cortez isn't old enough, unfortunately. First she has to get her driver's license.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-09 03:36 PM | Reply

"The Democratic party needs new leadership. The current leadership is filled with people that gives away the house..." - #1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-09 03:31 PM

Perhaps you missed the news, Laura, but the Democratic Party didn't give it away, the Democratic Party won the House this year... along with an astonishing list of other accomplishments:

Democrats won/flipped the US House
Democrat's vote margin bigger than Tea Party's in 2010.
Biggest GOP loss since the Watergate mid-term election in 1974
Republicans lost 323 state legislative seats (367 since Trump took office)
Republicans lost 7 governorships, including key 2020 Midwest states in PA, WI and MI.
6 state legislatures flipped control from GOP to Democratic (7 since Trump took office)

#3 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why Democrats Are So Okay With Losing

I wonder if the Democrats will lose again, like the list in my #3.

Pretty sure they'd be okay with that.

#4 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 03:49 PM | Reply

Why Democrats Are So Okay With Losing

It's in their blood, and their hair follicles.

#5 | Posted by Spork at 2018-11-09 06:00 PM | Reply

"Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Andrew Cuomo, et al have no intention of allowing upstarts like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to spoil their plans"

I always get a kick out of authors who admit they've never served on any committees, and don't know how laws are created. Especially when they pretend to know what happens.

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-09 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why are the Republicans so ok with cheating?

#7 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-11-09 06:08 PM | Reply

"Why are the Republicans so ok with cheating?" - #7 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-11-09 06:08 PM

It's in their blood, and their hair follicles.

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 06:18 PM | Reply

Why Democrats Are So Okay With Losing

Written by Louis Proyect

Louis Proyect blogs at louisproyect[.]org and is the moderator of the Marxism mailing list
Posted by lee_the_agent at 01:55 PM

#9 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 06:33 PM | Reply

"Marxism mailing list"

Ooh, it's fake Russian news!

The Trump Guzzlers second-favorite flavor.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 07:24 PM | Reply

"Marxism mailing list"

Ooh, it's fake Russian news!

The Trump Guzzlers second-favorite flavor.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 07:24 PM | Reply

I'm a Liberal and I honestly wish I could believe in the validity of the arguments put forth in "Counterpunch" but I can't because most of them are nonsense. The Democrats are not ok with losing, Hillary Clinton went into months of depression over losing. Democrats all over the country have mourned the loss ever since the election. The whole premise is pure crap. Democrats just can't hold a coalition of voters together well enough, too many are all to willing to waste their vote on third party candidates who have no chance, whatsoever, of winning election. Blame Jill Stein and Ralph Nader not those of us who line up and vote Democrat reliably every election, we just need more voters like us who vote for the longterm benefit of the nation instead of massaging our own egos and pretending that either Ralph Nader of Jill Stein was even remotely qualified to be President.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2018-11-10 03:48 AM | Reply

#12

Therein lies a problem I see with the American electorate, binary politics. There exist more than two diametrically opposed views. Feed more than two views for greater compromise, it's the American way. Sadly, the current reality does not.

#13 | Posted by et_al at 2018-11-10 04:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13

Agree and frankly as long as the binary parties control there will be no hope for a new reality. I don't see a path forward.

Also Danni reliably voting dem tells them they can run whatever garbage candidate they want and count on your vote. You save them the work of trying to get a good candidate.

#14 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-11-10 05:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm a Liberal and I honestly wish I could believe in the validity of the arguments put forth in "Counterpunch" but I can't because most of them are nonsense. The Democrats are not ok with losing, Hillary Clinton went into months of depression over losing. Democrats all over the country have mourned the loss ever since the election. The whole premise is pure crap. Democrats just can't hold a coalition of voters together well enough, too many are all to willing to waste their vote on third party candidates who have no chance, whatsoever, of winning election. Blame Jill Stein and Ralph Nader not those of us who line up and vote Democrat reliably every election, we just need more voters like us who vote for the longterm benefit of the nation instead of massaging our own egos and pretending that either Ralph Nader of Jill Stein was even remotely qualified to be President.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-11-10 03:48 AM | REPLY

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn you have not learned one damned thing from 2016. Not one damned thing. Bleat on about Hillary and lose another one.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-10 06:37 AM | Reply

" Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn you have not learned one damned thing from 2016. Not one damned thing." - #15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-10 06:37 AM

It was you who didn't learn a thing, Laura.

From the linked article:

Donald Trump has been transforming American society not by legislation but by using his executive powers to put people in charge of government agencies who are inimical to their stated goals. It is like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse as Malcolm X once put it.
Others, just as I did, reminded you over and over again that it isn't just the occupant of the Oval Office that mattered. It is all of the people they bring along with them to implement policy. Or the people they nominate to the Federal bench.

But you paid no attention to that. You learned not one damned thing.

#16 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-10 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16 Don't forget about Trump's impact on the judiciary, which goes well beyond his SC nominations, and will affect this country for decades.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-10 11:32 AM | Reply

#17 Whoever thinks a Democratic president, even with a Democratic House and Senate, will be able to undo all the damage Trump is doing to this country is just plain wrong.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-10 11:36 AM | Reply

Perhaps you missed the news, Laura, but the Democratic Party didn't give it away, the Democratic Party won the House this year... along with an astonishing list of other accomplishments:

Democrats won/flipped the US House
Democrat's vote margin bigger than Tea Party's in 2010.
Biggest GOP loss since the Watergate mid-term election in 1974
Republicans lost 323 state legislative seats (367 since Trump took office)
Republicans lost 7 governorships, including key 2020 Midwest states in PA, WI and MI.
6 state legislatures flipped control from GOP to Democratic (7 since Trump took office)

It was a figure of speech, hans.

And please don't post stupid lists of "accomplishments". That's what Trump does.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-10 12:58 PM | Reply

The Democrats are not ok with losing, Hillary Clinton went into months of depression over losing. Democrats all over the country have mourned the loss ever since the election. The whole premise is pure crap.

Look at actions, not thoughts, danni.

The Dems walked away from every lesson learned from Obama's two terms while the GOP used them (disingenuously, but they still paid them lip service).

I think, unfortunately, they will apply the same formula they did in 2016, just with a few transparent changes to suck up to the demographics they think they need the most.

The Dem leadership does need to go. They're constantly outwitted, outplayed and made to look the fool.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-10 01:02 PM | Reply

It was a figure of speech, hans.
And please don't post stupid lists of "accomplishments". That's what Trump does.

#19 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2018-11-10 12:58 PM | FLAG:

Thanks at least you have the smarts to understand it. Sad that Hans didn't. Oh well he's a troll anyways.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-10 01:13 PM | Reply

"...and will affect this country for decades." - #17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-10 11:32 AM

Absolutely, Gal.

Another thing the imbecile Laura completely ignores.

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-10 01:47 PM | Reply

"It was a figure of speech, hans." - #19 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-10 12:58 PM

Ya think?

My level of sarcasm is in direct correlation to the stupidity of others.

As for posting lists of accomplishments: Yeah, Trump does that. Because he at least understands this:

Say It Again: Messages Are More Effective When Repeated

[snip] In advertising, the term "effective frequency" is used to describe the number of times a consumer must be exposed to an advertising message before the marketer gets the desired response, whether that be buying a product, or something as simple as remembering a message.

Those on the left side of the aisle always seem to believe that voters/consumers only need to see the good in something and appropriately reward those who did it.

Those on the right understand the type of messaging that moves voters/consumers, such as calling the inheritance/estate tax a "death tax". Few will ever have to worry about inheritance or estate taxes, but everyone dies, so "everyone" believes that inheritance/estate taxes are bad. And the wealthy take the money to the bank.

The right understands how all that will move people. "Build the wall," "Lock her up," "Mexico will pay for it," are but a few lies told by Trump. Can't we counter with constant repetition of the truth?

Which begs the question, why would you want to handicap the left by condemning the use of the very same tactics proven so successful by the right?

JPW, I get that you don't like me, and that's okay. But other than guns, aren't you and I on the same side of pretty much every other liberal/progressive issue? If you'd notice you'd see that I am fairly liberal with the Newsworthy flags for your posts for that very reason.

#23 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-10 02:07 PM | Reply

JPW, I get that you don't like me, and that's okay.

I've never stated a dislike of you, just the heavy html usage in your posts.

I appreciate the NW flags.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-10 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JPW, I get that you don't like me, and that's okay. But, can't we still get a room?

#25 | Posted by Spork at 2018-11-10 04:24 PM | Reply

JPW, I get that you don't like me, and that's okay. But, can't we still get a room?

#25 | Posted by Spork at 2018-11-10 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag: *fapfapfapfapfap*

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-10 06:23 PM | Reply

The top Dem leadership makes most people in the middle want to regurgitate. Get rid of people like Pelosi and her supporters. I think Keith Ellison would have been a good shot in the arm except you went back to Geriatric Nancy and her corruption. Go ahead run Pocahontas in 2020 and see how well she is received. Somebody like Jess King or Beto could be the future if Nancy gets the boot.

#27 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-11-11 10:47 AM | Reply

Nancy Pelosi as speaker is great just for the exploding heads aspect.

#28 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-11-11 11:00 AM | Reply

Let's be real honest here. The Dems have gone 100% in on identity politics. As such, there is no way that they are nominating a man for president in 2020. So Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Andrew Cuomo, Gore, Shultz, Gavin Newsom, etc can just stop trying now. Now, what is unknown is exactly how many check boxes the person needs to check before they are seriously considered. I think Beto is a non-starter, too white. As for women, I think Warren is also eliminated by the "too much of an old white lady" view of the dem base. Hillary will be fighting this too and she is the only one that has enough cash to potentially pull it off.

But, we know the dem dream candidate - they want 1.) Female, 2.) Under-represented minority, 3.) preferably famous for reasons outside politics because their voter base is too ignorant to understand policy implications. So, we have 2 really good people to pick from and a 3rd as a long shot. I think the dem nomination will be fought over by:

Oprah
Michelle Obama
Kamala Harris

Oprah would actually stand a chance against Trump despite have zero political experience. She is too established as a loved personality in the US for Trump to effectively demonize. Michelle will be even more polarizing that Hillary with her politics experience solely the result of sleeping with Barry. But, I suspect all those Dems laughing at Trump because he lacked prior experience will suddenly find that to be a virtue. As for Harris, sleeping with Willie Brown made her what she is today by earning her place in the CA democrat machine. Unfortunately, she really is not that likeable and has nothing to show for all her years in politics.

Lastly, I doubt O'Crazio-Cortez will ever be big in the Dem party. My bet is that she says or does something so incredibly stupid that she disqualifies herself from a leadership position. She will likely keep getting re-elected though. People in NYC as pretty stupid that way as seen with Barney Frank.

#29 | Posted by moveon_2020 at 2018-11-12 07:53 AM | Reply

I see the sock puppet is cranking up the volume?

#30 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-11-12 07:59 AM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Wow, yet another NPC that cannot form an actual argument so they focus on the author. Tell you what, you can share my used undies with Danforth so you are both satisfied.

#31 | Posted by moveon_2020 at 2018-11-12 08:04 AM | Reply

Yawn.

#32 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-11-12 08:11 AM | Reply

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