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Friday, November 09, 2018

REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY?

In the 36 governor races, Republicans garnered more than 40.5 million, or 48.4 percent, of all votes compared with more than 41.3 million votes or 49.2 percent for Democrats. Democrats flipped seven states and could gain another victory depending on the outcome of Stacy Abrams's battle with Republican Brian Kemp in Georgia.

The Senate results were by far more favorable to Democrats, even though they lost two seats and could lose two more. Republicans had 41.5 percent of all votes cast in Senate races, and Democrats 56.9 percent. The GOP received more than 33.5 million votes to the Democrats more than 46 million.

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Don't any of you dippy libs realize we do NOT live in a democracy.

President is elected by the EC
House members are elected by district
Senate members are elected by a state wide election

None are elected by a majority of the US.

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-09 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We live in a representative democracy, Sniffles.

At this point, with voter suppression and gerrymandering, a supposed representative democracy where half the votes can win most of the seats.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2018-11-09 11:51 AM | Reply

In Blue MA its a good thing that I didn't even have a Republican on the ticket to vote for. If I don't have a choice to vote for an R someone please tell me how the hell a "popular vote" means s**t?

#3 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-09 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Blue MA its a good thing that I didn't even have a Republican on the ticket to vote for.

Same as California for the last 2 or 3 senate races.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-09 01:19 PM | Reply

"...please tell me how the hell a "popular vote" means s**t?" - #3 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-09 01:12 PM

"But the will of the people include all the people regardless of where they live." - #84 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-07-31 10:20 AM

#5 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 01:23 PM | Reply

LOL, this is like claiming that since you had more yards, tackles and forced fumbles you somehow should have won the football game, even though the points on the board are the only ones that count.

Pathetic.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-09 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Pathetic.

Indeed, especially considering there were 33 Senate seats. Democrats kept 67% of them, with 56% of the vote. Don't see Republicans screaming about how "unfair" that is.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-09 01:42 PM | Reply

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-09 01:38 PM

Using your analogy, "yards, tackles and forced fumbles" aren't votes.

The "points on the board" are votes.

And, as it turns out, in 2018, Democrats had more "points on the board" than the Republicans:

Democrats won/flipped the US House
Democrat's vote margin bigger than Tea Party's in 2010.
Biggest GOP loss since the Watergate mid-term election in 1974
Republicans lost 323 state legislative seats (367 since Trump took office)
Republicans lost 7 governorships, including key 2020 Midwest states in PA, WI and MI.
6 state legislatures flipped control from GOP to Democratic (7 since Trump took office)
TOUCHDOWN! BLUE TEAM!

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...Democrats kept 67% of them, with 56% of the vote." - #7 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-09 01:42 PM

#9 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 01:45 PM | Reply

Using your analogy, "yards, tackles and forced fumbles" aren't votes.
The "points on the board" are votes.

It's actually exactly the opposite, but nice try.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-09 02:17 PM | Reply

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"It's actually exactly the opposite, but nice try." - #10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-09 02:17 PM

Oh?

So, according to you, "points on the board" aren't votes, but "yards, tackles and forced fumbles" are votes.

Anything to "win" an argument, eh?

#11 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Republicans lost 323 state legislative seats (367 since Trump took office)"

A third of Obama's 8 years of losses in the first two years?

FINALLY! Trump does something better than Obama.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-09 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anything to "win" an argument, eh?

Get back to me when the Dems retake the Senate or POTUS.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-09 03:14 PM | Reply

"Get back to me when the Dems retake the Senate or POTUS."

Too rich. The Dems altered the landscape. Anyone who thinks the political world didn't change seismically Tuesday night is whistling past the graveyard.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-09 03:17 PM | Reply

At this point, with voter suppression and gerrymandering, a supposed representative democracy where half the votes can win most of the seats.

#2 | Posted by Corky

HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN FOR THE SENATE?

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-09 03:44 PM | Reply

And, as it turns out, in 2018, Democrats had more "points on the board" than the Republicans:

Democrats won/flipped the US House
Democrat's vote margin bigger than Tea Party's in 2010.
Biggest GOP loss since the Watergate mid-term election in 1974
Republicans lost 323 state legislative seats (367 since Trump took office)
Republicans lost 7 governorships, including key 2020 Midwest states in PA, WI and MI.
6 state legislatures flipped control from GOP to Democratic (7 since Trump took office)

TOUCHDOWN! BLUE TEAM!

#8 | Posted by Hans

Are you really that stoopid hands? You could not be.

#16 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-09 03:46 PM | Reply

The total vote count is more analogous to a world series type match up.

Game 1 4 - 2
Game 2 8 - 2
Game 3 0 - 1
Game 4 1 - 1
Game 5 1 - 2
Game 6 1 - 2

Team 2 won the 4 games to win the series

You'd argue that team 1 scored more runs though so really they're the better team and deserve to win. Wasn't the measure of the series, so no dice.

#17 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-09 03:48 PM | Reply

game 4 was meant to be 0 - 1 , and not a tie.

#18 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-09 03:48 PM | Reply

"Get back to me when the Dems retake the Senate or POTUS." - #13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-09 03:14 PM

What does that have to do with your assertion that "points on the board" aren't votes, but "yards, tackles and forced fumbles" are votes?

#19 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 03:51 PM | Reply

"You'd argue that team 1 scored more runs though so really they're the better team and deserve to win." - #17 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-09 03:48 PM

What does that have to do with the facts that Democrats won/flipped the US House, Democrat's vote margin was bigger than Tea Party's in 2010, this year was the biggest GOP loss since the Watergate mid-term election in 1974, Republicans lost 323 state legislative seats (367 since Trump took office), Republicans lost 7 governorships, including key 2020 Midwest states in PA, WI and MI, and 6 state legislatures flipped control from GOP to Democratic (7 since Trump took office)?

#20 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 03:53 PM | Reply

I didn't say it had anything to do with that... There were still the same crew trying to point to the popular vote totals as having meaning again though. I'm not really sure why given what you point out, but they still felt compelled to point at nonsense as if it meant something.

#21 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-09 03:58 PM | Reply

"There were still the same crew trying to point to the popular vote totals as having meaning again though." - #21 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-09 03:58 PM

Every single victory this year, Republican or Democratic, was the result of "popular vote totals."

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 04:00 PM | Reply

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means

#23 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-09 04:02 PM | Reply

"This word, I do not think it means what you think it means" - #23 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-09 04:02 PM

Virginia's 7th Congressional District 2018 Popular Vote Totals:

Abigail Spanberger (D): 175,800
David Brat (R): 169,226

Are you claiming that David Brat actually won?

#24 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 04:06 PM | Reply

"Are you really that stoopid... You could not be." - #16 | Posted by 43 PLONKS! at 2018-11-09 03:46 PM

Care to explain what's "stoopid" about these facts?

Democrats won/flipped the US House
Democrat's vote margin bigger than Tea Party's in 2010.
Biggest GOP loss since the Watergate mid-term election in 1974
Republicans lost 323 state legislative seats (367 since Trump took office)
Republicans lost 7 governorships, including key 2020 Midwest states in PA, WI and MI.
6 state legislatures flipped control from GOP to Democratic (7 since Trump took office)
Tells us, snippy, what's "stoopid" about those?

#25 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 04:09 PM | Reply

"Yhere were still the same crew trying to point to the popular vote totals as having meaning again though."

The popular vote -- and its suppression -- decided every contest on Tuesday. Seems pretty meaningful to me...

But hey, we understand you just can't get enough of that pro-slavery Electoral College the slave-owning Founders gave us.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 04:33 PM | Reply

When is sniper going to get the beating he so desperately craves?

#27 | Posted by Tor at 2018-11-09 05:46 PM | Reply

Pathetic.

#6 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Pathetic is a person intentionally constraining themselves with technicalities in order to avoid an obvious conclusion.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-10 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We live in a representative democracy, Sniffles.

No, we Live in a Constitutional, Representative Republic. We are democratic at the local, State level, where mass votes mean more. Our founders were smart enough to see you liberal idiots mass voting your self gubmint bennies hundreds of years ago.

And thank god they did.

Our country is designed for the individual, not the mass. What you do in California should NOT bother me in NC. It's a great system. And should NOT be changed.

#29 | Posted by boaz at 2018-11-10 04:30 PM | Reply

"...we Live in a ... Representative Republic." - #29 | Posted by boaz at 2018-11-10 04:30 PM

That's redundant.

Meanwhile...

Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία dēmokratía, literally "rule by people"), in modern usage, has three senses -- all for a system of government where the citizens exercise power by voting. In a direct democracy, the citizens as a whole form a governing body and vote directly on each issue. In a representative democracy the citizens elect representatives from among themselves. These representatives meet to form a governing body, such as a legislature. In a constitutional democracy the powers of the majority are exercised within the framework of a representative democracy, but the constitution limits the majority and protects the minority, usually through the enjoyment by all of certain individual rights, e.g. freedom of speech, or freedom of association.

source

Oops.

#30 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-10 04:36 PM | Reply

So?

None of that changes the fact we are still a Representative Republic, Hans.

#31 | Posted by boaz at 2018-11-10 05:28 PM | Reply

"...we are still a Representative Republic, Hans." - #31 | Posted by boaz at 2018-11-10 05:28 PM

A "Representative Republic" is redundant.

Like saying something is a "Democratic Democracy."

Meanwhile...

Is the United States of America a republic or a democracy?

I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that's a false dichotomy. A common definition of "republic" is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, "A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them" -- we are that. A common definition of "democracy" is, "Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives" -- we are that, too.

The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote. Some lawmaking is done this way, on the state and local levels, but it's only a tiny fraction of all lawmaking. But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy.

See that?

We are a representative democracy.

Exactly what was stated here:

"We live in a representative democracy, Sniffles

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2018-11-09 11:51 AM

Why do you hate that we're a representative democracy?

#32 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-10 06:10 PM | Reply

Are you really that stoopid hands? You could not be.
POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-11-09 03:46 PM | REPLY

Don't worry Snippy; as long as you are here, he could never on his worst day be more than #2.
#winning

#33 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-11-10 07:35 PM | Reply

Our founders were smart enough to see you liberal idiots mass voting your self gubmint bennies hundreds of years ago.

Did you even graduate high school?

What you do in California should NOT bother me in NC. It's a great system. And should NOT be changed.

Because what you do in NC is allowing you to bother those in CA.

You're a selfish, self centered idiot who's views begin and end with whatever is necessary for you to be happy with how things are.

Which means you don't know dick about what our country actually is.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-11 12:28 AM | Reply

Hans did you get hit in the head or something? No f'n s**t each individual head to head Senate or House seat election was won by whomever had the most votes.

This article is totaling all the votes cast for house seats and totaling all the votes cast for house seats, and then claiming that Democrats won the popular vote on a nationwide level with more votes cast for the Democrat candidates in all the house and senate races.

I'm pointing out that means nothing, the popular vote totaled from disparately populated areas is useless. Races could be landslide across the country for one party, and one tight race in California or NY could erase those percentages.

No comment in any one single election was made by me and how you'd interpret any of those thread as that is beyond me.

#35 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-11 01:50 PM | Reply

Hans did you get hit in the head or something? No f'n s**t each individual head to head Senate or House seat election was won by whomever had the most votes.

This article is totaling all the votes cast for house seats and totaling all the votes cast for house seats, and then claiming that Democrats won the popular vote on a nationwide level with more votes cast for the Democrat candidates in all the house and senate races.

I'm pointing out that means nothing, the popular vote totaled from disparately populated areas is useless. Races could be landslide across the country for one party, and one tight race in California or NY could erase those percentages.

No comment in any one single election was made by me and how you'd interpret any of those thread as that is beyond me.

#36 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-11 01:50 PM | Reply

--and one tight race in California or NY could erase those percentages.

It's even worse in California, where we had no Republicans on the Senate ballot, thanks to our quirky system. Thus, all the votes for Fraudstein and loony Leon are counted for the mythological "popular vote" for the Senate.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-11 02:00 PM | Reply

in California, where we had no Republicans on the Senate ballot,

Thank God.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-11-11 02:32 PM | Reply

Why do you hate that we're a representative democracy?
#32 | POSTED BY HANS

Is it the same to say we're a democratic republic?

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-11-11 03:38 PM | Reply

votes for Fraudstein and loony Leon are counted for the mythological "popular vote" for the Senate.
#37 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

At least it was a shot at getting Feinstein out finally.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-11-11 03:40 PM | Reply

Why do you hate that we're a representative democracy?
#32 | POSTED BY HANS

Is it the same to say we're a democratic republic?
#39 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

We're an oligarchy.

Now more than ever.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-11-11 03:46 PM | Reply

"I'm pointing out that means nothing, the popular vote totaled from disparately populated areas is useless. Races could be landslide across the country for one party, and one tight race in California or NY could erase those percentages." - #36 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-11-11 01:50 PM

kwrx25, did you get hit in the head or something?

There are 435 Congressional districts across America. They average about 750,000 in population, with Montana's the largest at just over 1,000,000 people, and the smallest being Wymoming's at a little under 500,000.

So, yes, the popular vote totaled from all 435 Congressional districts definitely represents what the American people think and want.

You're welcome.

#42 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-11 03:52 PM | Reply

"Is it the same to say we're a democratic republic?" - #39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-11-11 03:38 PM

It is the same.

But for boazotoes that would be worse.

It has the world "democratic" in it.

#43 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-11 03:53 PM | Reply

"Races could be landslide across the country for one party, and one tight race in California or NY could erase those percentages."

No one ever protests when it turns out the Democratic districts are producing the lion's share of the country's GDP, and paying the majority of the federal taxes.

Of course, were the situation reversed, Rs would be squealing.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-11 04:03 PM | Reply

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