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Friday, November 09, 2018

More than 60 world leaders will gather in Paris this weekend to mark the centennial of the 1918 armistice. As host, French President Emmanuel Macron is embracing a post-national, pan-European understanding of the past -- and vision of the future. But the World War I centennial arrives at a moment when the European project and transatlantic alliance are under strain -- and nationalism is seeing a startling resurgence.

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Next up for Trump will be organizing right-wing paramilitary Freikorps.

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-08 10:09 PM | Reply

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#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-08 11:50 PM | Reply

It's funny to see an actual military veteran deny that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

The reasons you're denying it aren't funny though.

Reasons like you support separating children from their parents.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 12:00 AM | Reply

The difference between me and you Goofy is that I understand the difference between vigilance and hysteria.

You may now resume circleflapping.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-09 12:12 AM | Reply

"The difference between me and you Goofy is that I understand the difference between vigilance and hysteria."

Which one is it when you support a policy of separating migrant children from their parents?

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 12:13 AM | Reply

Which one is it when the President invents the term "Alt-Left" to describe the people protesting monuments to racism, and the Nazis who want monuments to racism to remain standing?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 12:14 AM | Reply

Which one is it when you brag you can grab a woman by the ----- and get away with it, but ban a reporter from the White House because a female intern bumped into him?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 12:16 AM | Reply

Which one is it when you pretend you just aren't sure what FFFF, Boof, Devil's Triange, Ralph Club, and Renate Alumnus mean?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 12:17 AM | Reply

Did the leftist blackshirts wear their cowardly masks?

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-09 12:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy's hysteria is peaking because Mom is passed out upstairs again.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-09 12:24 AM | Reply

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I understand the difference between vigilance and hysteria.

#4 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

American style vigilance is feeding the MIC trillions of dollars to produce unneeded military hardware.

FEBRUARY 27, 2018: The Military-Industrial Complex Is on Corporate Welfare
www.thenation.com

Most Americans are probably aware that the Pentagon spends a lot of money, but it's unlikely they grasp just how huge those sums really are. All too often, astonishingly lavish military budgets are treated as if they were part of the natural order, like death or taxes.

The figures contained in the recent budget deal that kept Congress open, as well as in President Trump's budget proposal for 2019, are a case in point: $700 billion for the Pentagon and related programs in 2018 and $716 billion the following year. Remarkably, such numbers far exceeded even the Pentagon's own expansive expectations.


Hysteria is stoking fear in the population = Nationalism.

Your individual professionalism while serving in America's armed forces is not what this is about.

#11 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-09 06:45 AM | Reply

On the rise "again"?

When did it stop?

#12 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-11-09 07:24 AM | Reply

"Most Americans are probably aware that the Pentagon spends a lot of money, but it's unlikely they grasp just how huge those sums really are."

I got this:

For every dollar the Pentagon spends, America spends five dollars on health care.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 10:39 AM | Reply

Nationalism Is on the Rise Again

It is about time. We are citizens of the USA, NOT THE WORLD.

#14 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-09 11:29 AM | Reply

Well at least the hoods are off.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 11:33 AM | Reply

Why is it that nationalism is so appealing to small-minded people and so repulsive to educated people?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is about time. We are citizens of the USA, NOT THE WORLD.

#14 | Posted by Sniper

Remember that next time you are at Wal-Mart buying overseas grown produce, Chinese manufactured goods and a European owned 18 pack of Natural Light.

#17 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2018-11-09 11:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The Left doesn't like national sovereignty anymore than they like our federal republic; always wanting to cede power to centralized national and global elites.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-09 11:42 AM | Reply

Trump is the one who wants to cede power.

To Russia and China.

He's already doing it when it comes to NATO and trade.

And Nullifidian cheers it on.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 11:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I understand the difference between vigilance and hysteria.

You mean you think you do.

In a previous life, RoC was one of those standing outside the gates of a concentration camp babbling on about how they had no idea this was happening.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-09 11:48 AM | Reply

- national sovereignty

Making Goebbels proud on a daily basis.

www.theguardian.com

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2018-11-09 11:48 AM | Reply

It is about time. We are citizens of the USA, NOT THE WORLD.

#14 | Posted by Sniper

What happens if the rest of the world decides we're no longer worth associating with and minimizes ties across the board?

Tell me, what country has ever existed as a developed nation in complete isolation.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-09 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

always wanting to cede power to centralized national and global elites.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian

You really have gone full ------.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-09 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You really have gone full ------.

POSTED BY JPW AT 2018-11-09 11:53 AM | REPLY

Way too much pot I'd reckon.

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-11-09 11:54 AM | Reply

You really have gone full ------.

#23 | Posted by JPWitless

This is what passes for "argument" from The Witless One.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-09 11:56 AM | Reply

"You really have gone full ------."

Maybe Nullifidian has gone Full ------ because Andrea, a mattress has returned as MoveOn2020.

That "Move On" part reminds him of the day he found out Andrea, a mattress was using the wrong bathroom, leading to the ugly demise of a beautiful bromance.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 11:56 AM | Reply

The Left doesn't like national sovereignty anymore than they like our federal republic; always wanting to cede power to centralized national and global elites.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian

Yeah that's it.

Either you like fascists or you don't like national sovereignty.

Insanity like this is why your woman left you. Luckily there's a dating app for trump supporters now since no one else can stand them.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-09 11:58 AM | Reply

This is what passes for "argument" from The Witless One.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian

When you're throwing out inforwards worthy nonsense you're not arguing, you're just virtue signaling your stupidity.

So I reacted appropriately.

BTW do you really think you demonstrate wit? Because I can tell you you don't. Ever.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-09 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Nothing but ad-hominem attacks from the shills for corporate globalists; the kind of latte liberals who utter pretentious drivel like "I'm a citizen of the world."

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-09 12:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nothing but ad-hominem attacks

#29 | Posted by nullifidian

Yeah. From you.

The Left doesn't like national sovereignty

#18 | Posted by nullifidian

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-09 12:05 PM | Reply

How Nation-States Secure Freedom

"Not so long ago, the established wisdom was that the nation-state was on its way out as we moved, at least in the West, toward a borderless world. Political arrangements like the European Union were seen as harbingers of an inescapable future: a type of global political order which resembled something like the foedus pacificum or "league of peace" outlined in Immanuel Kant's Perpetual Peace: A Philosophical Essay (1795). This "federation," Kant famously proclaimed, would "extend gradually over all states and thus lead to perpetual peace."

Such prognostications have come to look rather dated. Since 2016, it has become evident that millions of people are not content to be herded, sheep-like, by intellectuals, techno-utopians, and supranational bureaucrats down the path of global governance. Their discontent is being expressed through a renewed emphasis upon the nation and an associated stress on nation-state sovereignty."

www.lawliberty.org

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-09 12:09 PM | Reply

"How Nation-States Secure Freedom For Capital."

Fixed it for you, Nullifidian.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 12:20 PM | Reply

#31 | Posted by nulliquisling at 2018-11-09 12:09 PM

So nulli is citing work written by Samuel Gregg.

Looks like nulliquisling has gone all Christian Evangelical on us.

#33 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 12:21 PM | Reply

Nothing but ad-hominem attacks from the shills for corporate globalists; the kind of latte liberals who utter pretentious drivel like "I'm a citizen of the world."

#29 | Posted by nullifidian

Nothing but sniveling drivel from our resident mush brained political wind sock.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-09 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nothing but ad-hominem attacks from the shills for corporate globalists"

Yeah.
About that:
"As ye sow so, shall ye reap."

You come here to piss in everyone's corn flakes, then get mad you aren't treated with respect.

You admire Trump because you're just like him.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Nothing but ad-hominem attacks from the shills..." - #29 | Posted by nulliquisling at 2018-11-09 12:03 PM

The perfect embodiment of the self-retorting retort.

Hint: Don't use an ad-hominem attack to criticize someone for using ad-hominem attacks.

You're welcome.

#36 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Not so long ago, the established wisdom was that the nation-state was on its way out as we moved, at least in the West, toward a borderless world."

Sure, just so long as "Not so long ago" means 1971, the year John Lennon released "Imagine."
And "established wisdom" means the Billboard Top 100.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 02:13 PM | Reply

What happens if the rest of the world decides we're no longer worth associating with and minimizes ties across the board?

Tell me, what country has ever existed as a developed nation in complete isolation.

#22 | Posted by jpw

Who is talking about isolation? Nationalism is putting your own country first. Pull your tiny head out j, it should slip right out with a firm pull.

#38 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-09 03:33 PM | Reply

"How Nation-States Secure Freedom For Capital."

Fixed it for you, Nullifidian.

#32 | Posted by snoofy

You are not capable of fixing anything sno. You can't even tie your own shoe laces.

#39 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-09 03:37 PM | Reply

Trump: "I'm a nationalist."

Trumpets: "Yeah! Trump means what he says and says what he wants!"

Trump critics: "Trump admits he's a nationalist."

Trumpets: "Trump didn't mean it like that!"

#40 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2018-11-09 03:45 PM | Reply

Who is talking about isolation? Nationalism is putting your own country first.

You think the rest of the world will remain interested in associating with a belligerent, emotionally unstable POTUS and a country that's been taken over by dumbass yokels who support him?

We don't have to intend for isolation, we just have to be so boorish people simply write us off.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-09 03:56 PM | Reply

"Nationalism is putting your own country first."

That's not what nationalism means, little Sniper.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 04:03 PM | Reply

Is it any surprise that the guy wearing Velcro shoes doesn't know what he's talking about?

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-09 04:38 PM | Reply

I'd love to give Sniper a pencil, two pieces of paper, and ten minutes, and ask him to multiply ten times ten.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-11-09 04:43 PM | Reply

Pull your tiny head out j, it should slip right out with a firm pull.

#38 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-11-09 03:33 PM | FLAG:

do you want him to get his dick out?

#45 | Posted by cjk85 at 2018-11-09 05:40 PM | Reply

cause that's exactly what it sounds like

#46 | Posted by cjk85 at 2018-11-09 05:40 PM | Reply

Nothing but ad-hominem attacks from the shills for corporate globalists; the kind of latte liberals who utter pretentious drivel like "I'm a citizen of the world."

#29 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-11-09 12:03 PM | FLAG:

You don't have a clue what a liberal is or should be anymore. I don't know what happened to you, but it's sad to witness. You stand up for the fascists every day.

#47 | Posted by cbob at 2018-11-09 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Teddy Roosevelt - founder father of twentieth Progressivism & ardent nationalist

#48 | Posted by Ghickey at 2018-11-10 02:08 AM | Reply

Teddy Roosevelt - founder father of twentieth Progressivism & ardent nationalist

#48 | POSTED BY GHICKEY

New Nationalism (Theodore Roosevelt)

en.wikipedia.org(Theodore_Roosevelt)

Roosevelt made the case for what he called 'the New Nationalism' in a speech in Osawatomie, Kansas, on September 1, 1910. The central issue he argued was government protection of human welfare and property rights,[1] but he also argued that human welfare was more important than property rights.[1][2]

He insisted that only a powerful federal government could regulate the economy and guarantee social justice,[1] and that a President can only succeed in making his economic agenda successful if he makes the protection of human welfare his highest priority.[1]

Roosevelt believed that the concentration in industry was a natural part of the economy. He wanted executive agencies (not the courts) to regulate business.

The federal government should be used to protect the laboring men, women and children from exploitation.[3] In terms of policy, Roosevelt's platform included a broad range of social and political reforms advocated by progressives.[4][5][6]


Teddy Roosevelt argued that America's social contract was more important than lowering taxes on the rich.

#49 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-10 07:25 AM | Reply

Why is it that nationalism is so appealing to small-minded people and so repulsive to educated people?

#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

POTW

(post of the week)

#50 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-10 08:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

No....you have it backwards. Raising taxes was more important to TR than America's social contract. The imperialist war-monger defiled America's social contract, its 10th amendment. He was an anti-federalist and ardent nationalist.

#51 | Posted by ghickey at 2018-11-10 09:39 AM | Reply

He was an anti-federalist and ardent nationalist.

#51 | POSTED BY GHICKEY

oxymoron -- impossible to be both.

#52 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-10 05:51 PM | Reply

The Left doesn't like national sovereignty anymore than they like our federal republic; always wanting to cede power to centralized national and global elites.

#18 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

The argument of where America's sovereignty lay goes back to the Founding Fathers, namely Thomas Jefferson and John Adams.

Jefferson argued for states rights and unregulated free markets while Adams argued for a strong federal government ... and with America now in its second Gilded Age (wealth inequality at record levels) Adams has been proven right.

Your comment of ceding power to "centralized national and global elites" smacks as anti-Semitic in tone.

#53 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-10 06:05 PM | Reply

--Your comment of ceding power to "centralized national and global elites" smacks as anti-Semitic in tone.

Pathetic. That's all you mediocre intellects ever do; play some identity politics card: racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc.

#54 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-11-10 06:12 PM | Reply

Pathetic. That's all you mediocre intellects ever do; play some identity politics card: racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc.

#54 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Right-wing racists use the phrase "global elites" to justify their conspiratorial hatred toward Jews -- it needs to be called out.

Not hard to understand.

#55 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-10 06:31 PM | Reply

...Aaaaand where was Trump on this day? Rage-tweeting while hiding from the terrible awful absolutely no-goodnik European rainstorms.
He was afraid it would wash off his orange makeup and cheap hair dye job.

#56 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-11-10 07:31 PM | Reply

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