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Thursday, November 08, 2018

The race for Florida governor appears headed for a recount, as Democrat Andrew Gillum continues to gain on Republican Ron DeSantis during the tallying of the final uncounted ballots cast in the midterm elections.

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The Nelson-Scott Senate seat race in Florida is also getting tighter and has reached the threshold where a hand recount is required by law. Scott has filed a lawsuit against the Broward County Supervisor of Elections demanding transparency of the vote counting process including the number of ballots cast and the number remaining to be counted.

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I thought it was a Trump wave in Florida?

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2018-11-08 04:59 PM | Reply

Absentee ballots tend to be from Democrats, yes? At least, historically?

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-11-08 05:03 PM | Reply

Gillum has only reached the threshold for a machine recount. Nelson is within the range for a manual, hand recount.

Seems to me that if they are doing a hand recount for the Senate race they could just look at the Governor's race too since it's all on the same piece of paper, but Florida isn't exactly known for electoral genius.

#3 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-08 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Did anyone catch this in the article?

But all eyes were on Broward County, which according to information published by the Florida Division of Elections has yet to report all its early voting and absentee voting totals. Broward is a Democratic party stronghold.

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-08 05:13 PM | Reply

#2 I think in Florida they are traditionally military

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-11-08 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Checked my Absentee ballot status and it has officially been tabulated! My vote is in :)

#6 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-11-08 05:16 PM | Reply

#2

Actually, in most of the country the GOP tends to do better in Absentee/Mail ballots.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-08 05:16 PM | Reply

I think you folks in Florida need to quit blaming everyone else for Trump and the Trumpublicans, until you get your own house straightened out. Even Kansas managed to elect a Democrat for Governor this year.

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-11-08 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#7 That's what i was thinking as absentees tend to be military.

#9 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-08 05:18 PM | Reply

#2 I think in Florida they are traditionally military

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG

This is Trumplandia, we don't do "Tradition" anymore.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-08 05:21 PM | Reply

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thought the same thing. i looked it up and the us has 1.3 million troops deployed around the world.

#11 | Posted by cjk85 at 2018-11-08 05:23 PM | Reply

#9

Older voters also tend to vote in higher numbers by mail, and that skews more conservative as well.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-08 05:24 PM | Reply

just so gracie harass me and basically call me a liar here's the link:

www.businessinsider.com

#13 | Posted by cjk85 at 2018-11-08 05:25 PM | Reply

It's the early voting ballots that may be more important, particularly in Broward County. And since minorities are disproportionately over-represented in the US military than in general, in a county that skews Dem it's likely the military absentee ballots would too.

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-08 05:28 PM | Reply

At least this time anton scalia is wonderfully dead so he can't just declare his fellow goon the victor.

#15 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-11-08 05:29 PM | Reply

Broward and Dade counties aren't in yet are they.... that could be another week or three.
#73 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2018-11-06 10:01 PM

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2018-11-08 05:31 PM | Reply

When I was in the Corps, when you got reassigned, one of the first things that would happen when you first went into the NEX or MCX is that they would give you a request for absentee ballot form for your State for you to fill it out and they would send it in for you.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-08 05:32 PM | Reply

Early voting in FL isn't necessarily by mail. Polls are open for several days before election day.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2018-11-08 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#18

Agreed, according to news sources they are still counting mail ballots that can come in until Friday. For some reason not all of Broward has reported in, which is what Tony refers to above.

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-08 05:36 PM | Reply

Another Florida voting conundrum rears its ugly head:

Of the Broward ballots already counted, more than 24,700 people voted for a governor candidate but didn't vote for a candidate for U.S. Senate, according to county results. The Sun Sentinel found similar discrepancies in other statewide races, where the vote tallies suggest that thousands of voters made the unlikely choice to vote on lower-profile races and bypass the Senate race -- a marquee race and the first one on the ballot.

This unusual pattern appears in no other Florida county.

In other Florida counties, the tallies reflect patterns that would be expected, with more voters weighing in on the Senate race than in statewide races of lesser stature.

www.sun-sentinel.com

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-08 05:37 PM | Reply

#20 I saw that today. Apparently in other FL counties something like 99+% of people who voted for governor also voted on the senate race, but in heavily-Democratic Broward, suddenly it drops to something like 96%. I read it could have been poor ballot design or possibly something worse. No clue whether it would have been enough to swing the race.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2018-11-08 05:42 PM | Reply

I think it should go to the Supreme Court and let the blind drunk decide.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-08 05:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#19

For perspective, in Broward County Nelson got 68.9% of the vote and Gillum received 67.9%, tallying 466k and 476k respectfully up to 5:34pm EST today.

Anyone thinking the absentee and early votes are going to dramatically skew GOP must live in a weed-legal state.

And as reported no one has publicly commented on just how many outstanding ballots of all types have yet to be counted in Broward County.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-08 05:45 PM | Reply

Last thought for now: Broward's outstanding ballots would appear to almost guarantee at minimum the .5% threshold recount. Don't know if it alone could trigger the .25% hand recount, probably not.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-08 05:49 PM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY JOE

That 3% is very significant.

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-11-08 05:51 PM | Reply

Anyone thinking the absentee and early votes are going to dramatically skew GOP must live in a weed-legal state.

That's a baseless swipe at pot smokers, if I ever saw one.

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-11-08 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yawns...

"Thousands of ballots still remain uncounted, so it's too soon to say whether a recount will indeed happen in the race for governor."

#27 | Posted by Javelin at 2018-11-08 05:53 PM | Reply

"Anyone thinking the absentee and early votes are going to dramatically skew GOP must live in a weed-legal state."

That's a baseless swipe at pot smokers, if I ever saw one.

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11

Yeah!

Why can't they be from a hard drinkin blind drunk state?

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-08 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#20

Damn Florida Man!

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-11-08 06:27 PM | Reply

I love it Trumplethinskin's presidency is dying by a thousand cuts... and its hard to look away.... both disgusting and intriguing at the same time.

#30 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-11-08 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LOL lawyers are gonna refuse to help the Trumpet.

#31 | Posted by Tor at 2018-11-08 06:36 PM | Reply

Naw, there is one. FakeLawyer would do some fakelawyering for Orange Adolf. Both of em make ---- up as they go along....

#32 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-11-08 07:19 PM | Reply

Time to burn all those provisional ballots, do it quickly Scott, its what you and Jeb Bush do best.

#33 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-11-08 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Broward is a Democratic party stronghold."

Broward County needs to get it's election act together.

Let me guess. The Secretary of State is a Republican.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-11-08 07:51 PM | Reply

Scott just gave one of the biggest -- speech's I've ever seen accusing supervisor of elections and Nelson of being corrupt among other things. I hope his ass can cash the check he just wrote and I voted for him.

#35 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2018-11-08 08:42 PM | Reply

#35

Delegitimize the process and accuse those involved of doing everything for political reasons as the universe knows Florida's track record of Palm Beach and Broward county voting problems as has been decried above.

"Now, everyone to their partisan corners and come out hurling accusations!" Precisely what Trump wants and demands from his "team".

Wouldn't it have been nice if someone with power in Florida's state government for 8 years would have pushed for a statewide effort to insure smoother voting and vote tabulation processes in each county? Yeah too bad. Perhaps Scott should go off on the person who yielded the widest influence in making sure something like this didn't happen... but that would require a mirror and it wouldn't do any good in this case. Everyone knows vampires don't have reflections.

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-08 08:56 PM | Reply

#36 I'm not up for a --- for tat debate tonight. Again I voted for Scott. I listened to Marco (gag me) Rubio earlier explain how these 'recounts' on newly found ballots are against the law. I don't think I have ever seen a speech from a public official for lack of a better expression call a spade a spade regarding abuse of power and corruption. I was speechless (yes I know, I should have taken a selfie and posted it).

#37 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2018-11-08 09:03 PM | Reply

#37

I've not seen anything yet on newly found missing ballots. It seems that if chain of custody or video records exist showing them to be valid, then they should count. I was referring to what I thought was the damning of election officials because they were simply trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability under duress. If malfeasance can be proven, then by all means the right things should be done.

But I'm sick and tired of the right's unwavering belief that when Democrats are involved in anything that they will break every rule, trample every law to get their desired political ends. That's not how we roll. Democrats would never have been prepared to spring a plan in ONE COUNTY ALONE that would only affect a few thousands (10's?) of votes in a state where more than 8 million people voted. It. Would. Not. Happen. Dems can't coordinate a fart.

The voting mechanisms are screwed up in southeast Florida counties, we've known that since 2000. It's irresponsible to start hurling scandalous accusations without an actual shred of evidence of intent. Republicans run Florida, you've known how screwed up your voting is. Don't bitch now when the problem should have been solved almost 2 decades ago. And it's particularly rich that the beneficiaries of this Edsel's former output are today it's loudest critics when having done nothing themselves to fix these problems and try to establish statewide cooperation/coordination within the allowances of Florida's constitution.

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-08 09:19 PM | Reply

Law is the law, they had 30 minutes after the closing of voting to present those ballots.

My comment was and is with regards to Scott's speech tonight. The wording floored me.

And give Florida a break, we moved past hanging Chads, that counts for something, no?

#39 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2018-11-08 09:29 PM | Reply

Law is the law, they had 30 minutes after the closing of voting to present those ballots.

I get that, but IF the ballots can be proven beyond a preponderance of doubt to be valid, why should the people who submitted legal votes have their will discarded for something they had nothing to do with? You are advocating taking away the rights of those people because an underpaid/volunteer worker made an honest mistake?

I think the burden of proof should be on showing that the ballots are invalid/fake/illegally cast. I just do not believe (at this juncture, but if evidence of malfeasance is uncovered, then I would fully stand with the law) these ballots are fraudulent. The law was written to stop political operatives from cheating, rightly protecting the vote. Unless these ballots can be tied to such an effort, the voter's legally and honestly expressed ballots should be counted. The law wasn't written to provide a "legal" means of invalidating voter's choices, which is exactly what a strict adherence to this law would entail, at this point, without any proof that the ballots were illegally presented for counting.

Elected officials should understand this and hence, this goes back to my earlier assertions. They should not claim bad faith without actual evidence of intentional bad faith. They should be more concerned about the validity of the ballots and assuming this was human error. Again, no one thought this election would be this close. No one planned to have ballots conveniently found outside of a statutory deadline in order to potentially swing an election. The box likely got misplaced and a simple forensic investigation and appropriate questioning of those involved will probably put the issue to bed.

#40 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-08 09:54 PM | Reply

FYI Gracie:

(O)n Thursday night, a spokesman from the elections office said the box holds supplies -- not ballots.

The box is used to hold provisional ballots on Election Day, but when the polls close the ballots are transferred to an orange zippered bag and taken to the elections warehouse in Lauderhill, said Dozel Spencer, director of voting equipment center operations.

www.sun-sentinel.com

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-11-09 06:16 AM | Reply

"Law is the law, they had 30 minutes after the closing of voting to present those ballots.
My comment was and is with regards to Scott's speech tonight. The wording floored me.
And give Florida a break, we moved past hanging Chads, that counts for something, no?"

Very likely these votes did not exist until after the polls closed and they knew how many they needed to steal the election.

#42 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-11-09 09:55 AM | Reply

and I voted for him.

#35 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

I think I found your problem.

#43 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-11-09 12:26 PM | Reply

Very likely these votes did not exist until after the polls closed and they knew how many they needed to steal the election.

#42 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Yap.

Registering to vote, voting, and then counting ballots = stealing elections in right wing speak.

#44 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-11-09 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"We are fighting this tooth and nail. I will NOT sit on my hands while every vote is counted!"

-- Rick Scott

#45 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-11-09 12:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I can't stand Scott or Rubio.

There's no mystery here at all. Broward and Palm Beach County both had significant mail in ballots to count. There were also provisional ballots and those have to be reviewed and acted on as needed. The "law" being quoted has nothng to do with any of this.

This is beyond stupid with all the conspiracy theories and accusations. Scott and Rubio are acting like spoiled children with their overblown rhetoric.

The lawsuit will amount to nothing. Stupid Republicans.

www.sun-sentinel.com

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2018-11-09 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"We are fighting this tooth and nail. I will NOT sit on my hands while every vote is counted!"

-- Rick Scott

Posted by MrSilenceDogood

If you live long enough, you see everything. Next up: Godzilla rises from Tokyo Bay.

Scott deserved to lose before. Now he deserves to be tarred and feathered.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2018-11-09 01:19 PM | Reply

"My comment was and is with regards to Scott's speech tonight. The wording floored me".

It can be gob-stopping when a deceitful man accidently tells the truth.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2018-11-09 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Has John Bolton arrived yet to stop the vote count? I hear he can be very loud and obnoxious. Bound to be effective.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2018-11-09 01:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Scott just gave one of the biggest -- speech's I've ever seen accusing supervisor of elections and Nelson of being corrupt among other things. I hope his ass can cash the check he just wrote and I voted for him." - #35 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2018-11-08 08:42 PM

"Typical dem ploy. Make an accusation with nothing to back it up." - #4 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-09 11:50 AM

#50 | Posted by Hans at 2018-11-09 01:30 PM | Reply

Brenda Snipes is refusing the court order. Judge is about to sign a contempt order and throw her corrupt ass in jail.

#51 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-11-09 07:09 PM | Reply

#51 she is a total corrupt idiot and yes a Democrat. You would think after all of Broward counties embarrassing election issues you would think she would be gone but if it helps Dems she will stay.

#52 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-11-09 08:56 PM | Reply

You would think after all of Broward counties embarrassing election issues you would think she would be gone but if it helps Dems she will stay.

#52 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2018-11-09 08:56 PM | FLAG: REDUNDANT

#53 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-11-09 09:06 PM | Reply

Here is how it is done,

Caleb Howe

Broward County Election Supervisor Brenda Snipes, subject of intense scrutiny and a lawsuit filed by Gov. Rick Scott and Republicans over the counting of ballots, mixed about 200 rejected ballots in with ballots that had been accepted as valid, the Miami-Herald reported late Friday night. It is the latest irregularity in the contentious battle over ballots in the Senate race between Scott and incumbent Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson.

On Friday, a judge ruled against Snipes and in favor of Rick Scott, and ordered her, and the county, to immediately allow inspection of voter records, which Snipes had been withholding.

After presenting for inspection 205 provisional ballots to the Broward County canvassing board, it was discovered that 20 ballots with mismatched signatures that had already been deemed invalid and were illegal votes were mixed in with valid ballots. They were integrated into a stack of legal ballots awaiting being added to the vote totals in the tight race.

#54 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-11-10 11:36 AM | Reply

Take all the time necessary to make this tally complete and accurate.

DO NOT stop the count or recount.

#55 | Posted by Zed at 2018-11-10 11:52 AM | Reply

Can't stop counting. They're still filling out bllots

#56 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-11-10 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#56 - bllots.
But you want your vote counted, no matter what, right?

There are boxes and boxes of mail-in ballots stuck in the Opa Locka mail facility. The USPS says they arrived too late, but people that mailed in their ballots in time have checked and found their vote hadn't been counted. This is the same facility that is grossly understaffed and where all the pipe bombs were mailed from a month earlier.

I'm not saying this is a conspiracy, or some "republican plan." I'm just saying these ballots should be checked out, investigated, and counted if possible. The USPS in Opa Locka is saying the law says the ballots have to be delivered to count, and these weren't, so it doesn't matter if they were postmarked on time or not. That's shocking to me. Tax returns count if they're postmarked, not when (or if) they arrive at the IRS.

Our votes should count.

#57 | Posted by YAV at 2018-11-10 04:40 PM | Reply

Yes I want all of my votes to be counted. I have two bins of votes and I swear I mailed them in time. If you keep the count open for another day I will have one more bin, which I also swear I mailed before the deadline. If you look behind the dumpster you will find some boxes of misplaced votes that are completely valid too.

#58 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-11-10 09:38 PM | Reply

#58 - you're the kind of person that enables greater evil. The greater evil that Trump and Scott are. The kind that wants the vote counting to stop once they're ahead. When confronted with reality, pull out the lie about voter fraud. There isn't any, and there's no evidence of any. None. But Trump's out there lying his a** off about it, and here you are full of s*it, repeating the lies, further casting doubt on our elections. Undermining the United States and our system.

I bet you wrap yourself in the Flag.

#59 | Posted by YAV at 2018-11-10 11:36 PM | Reply

Missing votes are only being "found" in Democrat strongholds like Broward and you don't think it's fishy? The election ended for everyone one else on Tuesday. No transparency and no controls on chain of custody. Don't lecture me on Trump. If you support this you are shameless.

#60 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-11-11 08:03 AM | Reply

Not just Broward. Issues in Palm Beach County as well. Minor issues in other counties in Florida, but those have been ignored in the Press because of the issues in Broward that have the largest impact, and the history of Broward. Broward also tends to vote Democratic Party, which makes partisan hacks like Scott, Rubio, Trump and DeSantis shout "Fraud!" at the top of their lungs.

There is no fraud. None. Even Scott's own agency confirms there is no fraud, no hint of fraud, no indication of fraud.

All that's going on here is the GOP, having a very slight edge, will stop at nothing to make sure no more legitimate votes be counted.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

www.miamiherald.com

And Scott flat out lied, for political purposes, dividing and stirring up the fervor with his lie:

www.miamiherald.com

#61 | Posted by YAV at 2018-11-11 09:50 AM | Reply

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