Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, November 06, 2018

The number one issue on the minds of voters as they cast ballots was health care, according to exit poll surveys conducted by AP. Twenty six percent of those polled called it the most important issue facing the country at this time, followed by immigration (23 percent), the economy (19 percent), gun policy (8 percent) and the environment (7 percent). The survey included interviews with more than 113,000 voters nationwide.

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"Who knew healthcare could be so complicated?"

#1 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-11-06 07:41 PM | Reply

Of course it is.

People know that we can very VERY easily go back to the good old days where barely breaking quickly becomes drowning from a relatively minor medical issue or short hospital stay.

As for 23% who said immigration, I'll bet that's the entirety of Trump's mouth breathing base.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-06 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I am LITERALLY LMAO if Healthcare is the "#1" issue and you are voting repbulican then you are stupid - unless you don't want it... Same for Social Security.

#3 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-11-06 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Republicans here in Florida actually campaigned on protecting the part of Obamacare that protects people with pre-existing conditions and Republican voters believed them. How do you defeat such stupidity? You can present facts but with voters that dumb there is no hope.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2018-11-07 08:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My son told me a story from his job, they were discussing the election and he mentioned "gerrymandering." The guys he works with who are all very opinionated and, of course, right wing didn't know what the word even means. That is pretty typical of most of the Republican base. Purely stupid people with very loud mouths who don't know what the hell they are even talking about.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2018-11-07 08:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There were too many Republican successes for this to be true, unless those victories were earned by cheating again.

The Republican notion of keeping pre-existing conditions in a health insurance policy is to let the health insurance company charge whatever they want to, in each specific case, so the insurance company can make a profit on every patient. That is not how insurance was developed. For life, auto, home and cargo freight insurance everyone pays less than an accident would cost and is reimbursed for the cost of the accident if it occurs. Modern sneaky American insurance companies have figured out a million ways to pay less than the accident actually cost. The most likely outcome, of course, is the patient with a pre-existing condition will not be able to afford the policy and just suffer or die, depending on the condition. This suits the business managers, whom doctors report to, just fine. Conservatives believe maximizing profits is more important than human life, yet they carry on moralizing on the topic of abortion, while doing everything politically possible to transfer all costs to the individual for raising an unwanted child. Despicable thinking and behavior which sabotages the very purpose of having insurance. Make no mistake, conservative politicians want and give themselves terrific insurance while they openly deny the same benefits to their constituents that voted them in.

#6 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-11-07 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

let's not assume that Heath care being #1 means Government Run Health care

Health Care is one of my top issues, but not Government Run

#7 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-11-07 11:12 AM | Reply

let's not assume that Heath care being #1 means Government Run Health care

Health Care is one of my top issues, but not Government Run

#7 | Posted by Maverick

Show me a successful first world health care system that isn't government run.

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-07 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Show me a successful first world health care system that isn't government run.

#8 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The U.S.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-07 11:23 AM | Reply

The importance of this issue will only increase in coming years. If the GOP continues trying to tear down the ACA, it will burn them big time.

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-11-07 11:25 AM | Reply

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#9 LOL you're joking right?

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-07 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Show me a successful first world health care system that isn't government run."

Obamacare? I sure see that system applauded here all the time.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2018-11-07 11:31 AM | Reply

#11 I'm dead serious.

Rich people who live in countries, like Canada, in need of a major procedure come to the U.S. for treatment. Most of the medical innovations globally occur in the US. It's a flawed system in major need of change, but it's a successful system. I triple-dog dare you to subject yourself to healthcare in the UK.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-11-07 11:34 AM | Reply

The U.S.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ

You call spending twice as much for worse results SUCCESSFUL?

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-07 11:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Rich people who live in countries, like Canada, in need of a major procedure come to the U.S. for treatment. Most of the medical innovations globally occur in the US. It's a flawed system in major need of change, but it's a successful system. I triple-dog dare you to subject yourself to healthcare in the UK.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ

I guess you'll beleive anything repubs say no matter how many times they lie to you huh?

www.washingtonpost.com

"There are longer wait times in Canada than in the United States for people to receive specialized care. According to a January 2016 report by the Commonwealth Fund, 41 percent of adults in Canada in 2013 were able to access same-day or next-day appointments when they were sick, compared with 48 percent in the United States. Emergency, urgent and primary care are prioritized for patients."

Less urgent procedures had longer wait times, but not procedures which are life saving.

Why isn't anyone in the UK trying to make their system more like ours?

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-07 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Health Care is one of my top issues, but not Government Run

#7 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

The U.S.

#9 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

U.S. healthcare ranks at the bottom of all western countries for patient outcomes ... you know, doctors and hospitals actually making people healthy.

Ranking 37th -- Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System
www.nejm.org

And guess what? The VA healthcare system does it better ...

'Socialized' or Not, We Can Learn from the VA
www.rand.org

Quality of CareHow the VA Outpaces Other Systems in Delivering Patient Care
www.rand.org

And a Medicare-for-all system would mirror the VA healthcare system by focusing on clinical integration, prevention and screenings, and ambulatory patient care ... all which is less expensive and produces better patient outcomes.

Imagine that, America getting healhier while not spending trillions of dollars annually on healthcare (of which 30% is waste with no benefit to patients).

#16 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-07 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Is this is a logical of fiscallly responsible statement?: "I'd rather pay $40 for a pizza that gets to my house in 25 minutes than $20 for a pizza that arrives in 30 minutes."

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-07 11:41 AM | Reply

*OR not OF

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-07 11:41 AM | Reply

Obamacare? I sure see that system applauded here all the time.

#12 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Because before Obamacare our healthcare system was truly a giant mess -- see post #16.

#19 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-07 11:42 AM | Reply

"Because before Obamacare our healthcare system was truly a giant mess"

It's still a mess.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2018-11-07 11:45 AM | Reply

It's still a mess.

#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's better now than pre-Obama, and doctors support the ACA ...

Poll: Just 15 percent of doctors want ObamaCare repealed
thehill.com

Slowly but surely it's getting better.

#21 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-07 11:50 AM | Reply

It's still a mess.

#20 | Posted by eberly

Just with fewer dead people.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-11-07 11:53 AM | Reply

"it's getting better."

As long as it's headed in the opposition direction of single payer?

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2018-11-07 11:58 AM | Reply

I'm dead serious.

Rich people who live in countries, like Canada, in need of a major procedure come to the U.S. for treatment. Most of the medical innovations globally occur in the US. It's a flawed system in major need of change, but it's a successful system. I triple-dog dare you to subject yourself to healthcare in the UK.

#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

What U.S. healthcare does well are things like R & D and to a lesser extent, albeit still good, treating cancer.

Did you know that the VA has an annual $2 billion research budget that far outstrips anything in the private sector and that private healthcare relies on? Answer is no.

#24 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-07 12:02 PM | Reply

As long as it's headed in the opposition direction of single payer?

#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You mean Republicans and Trump sabotaging Obamacare every chance they get?

No, that's not good.

By making access harder, peoples medical situations worsen and when their conditions become acute they clog up the nation's ERs and we all pay for that -- when we as a country SHOULD'VE been paying for their less expensive ambulatory and primary care.

It's morally wrong that people needlessly suffer.

#25 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-07 12:10 PM | Reply

"It's morally wrong that people needlessly suffer."

But cheaper in the short term!
~Today's Republicans

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-11-07 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You mean Republicans and Trump sabotaging Obamacare every chance they get?
No, that's not good."

Yes, and you left out the other villain....the insurance companies.

So, based on that, what hopes do you have that it will really get much better going in this direction?

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2018-11-07 12:13 PM | Reply

So, based on that, what hopes do you have that it will really get much better going in this direction?

#27 | POSTED BY EBERLY

A majority of doctors support single payer ...

www.usnews.com

And those doctors (Kenneth W. Kizer, Lucian Leape, Don Berwick, David B. Nash, Robert Wachter, etc.) who study all this continue to change minds with the healthcare community.

#28 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-11-07 12:23 PM | Reply

You call spending twice as much for worse results SUCCESSFUL?

#14 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

GOP Math

#29 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-11-07 12:39 PM | Reply

Rich people who live in countries, like Canada, in need of a major procedure come to the U.S. for treatment.

Because they can buy their way to the head of the line.

Most of the medical innovations globally occur in the US.

You can thank our university system and public funding for this. In any case, this is a separate question.

It's a flawed system in major need of change, but it's a successful system.

We consistently get less for more $$ and we have far more chronically ill without access to care than other developed nations.

Hardly what I'd call 'flawed but successful'.

I triple-dog dare you to subject yourself to healthcare in the UK.

Why? Is it like getting care in Somalia or something?

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-07 12:44 PM | Reply

"it's getting better."

As long as it's headed in the opposition direction of single payer?

#23 | Posted by eberly

As long as it's increasing access, pushing preventative instead of reactive care and at the very least having smaller cost increases per year.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2018-11-07 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Rich people who live in countries, like Canada, in need of a major procedure come to the U.S. for treatment."

Yes, at the top ranking medical facilities, which many Americans do not themselves have access to. Money talks as it always does.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-11-07 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did you know that the VA has an annual $2 billion research budget that far outstrips anything in the private sector and that private healthcare relies on? Answer is no.

#24 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2018-11-07 12:02 PM | FLAG: ... and here is the rest of that story:

: VA ROI for research is dismal, spending $1.9 billion for a paltry $316,000 in annual royalties. ... In fiscal year 2016, VA patents from such research resulted in 45 licenses providing the agency about $316,000 in royalties, according to VA officials.May 8, 2018"

#33 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-11-08 10:29 AM | Reply

#9, JJ is either deliberately lying or pathetically misinformed again. The US has the most expensive system which is less effective than other industrialized nations and has resulted in decreased lifespans. The profit motif results in unnecessary procedures in violation of the hypocrites oath. The health insurance middle men add up to 30% to health care cost without contributed anything to health care. Worse they tie up patient, nurses and doctors time unnecessarily by constantly denying necessary care. Its the sickest health care system in the industrialized world.The CEO of Kaiser Aluminum recognized this decades ago and created Kaiser Health Care which puts all its doctors and staff on salary provides state of the art health care costing at least 30% less than the for profit system.

#34 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-11-08 10:55 AM | Reply

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