Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, October 24, 2018

A majority of Americans don't believe their financial situation has improved since the last election, according to the results of a new survey released just two weeks before the midterms. Since the 2016 presidential election, 62 percent of Americans said their financial situation hasn't improved, according to a survey conducted by Bankrate.

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Wow. Who would've thought that a tax cut for the 1% would not help everyone?

Shocking I tells ya.

Where's the $4,000 - $9,000 raises Trump promised?

Suckers.

"Unfortunately, corporations have not used the money they've saved from the tax cut to raise workers' pay and any potential increase in compensation could be soaked up by health insurance premiums. And, of course, paying more for health insurance doesn't help households buy food or shelter. Without substantial income growth for most Americans and without new productive investment by businesses, tax cuts will not boost economic growth. Worse, government spending cuts triggered by cuts in tax revenue could cause a recession."

www.forbes.com

Just wait till they cut social security and medicare.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2018-10-24 08:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The trickle down doesn't seem to be trickling. What a surprise! I sort of feel sorry for the Murdoch Morons who bought that crap.....again! How many times can they fool you with the same lie?

#2 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-24 09:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

In truth, corporations are going to end outsourcing. How? By reducing our standard of living to that of India or China. Then there will be no savings to be had by outsourcing. Short sighted corporate CEOs don't notice that the will also destroy the markets that make their products profitable.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-24 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

YEAH!

But what about Elizabeth Warren!

Sincerely
Every Single "conservative" DR ---- Heel

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-10-24 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The ever popular strawman-whataboutism combo.

#5 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-24 10:02 AM | Reply

How many times can they fool you with the same lie?

#2 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-10-24 09:05 AM | REPLY | FLAG

How many times Snoops?

#6 | Posted by 726 at 2018-10-24 11:17 AM | Reply

No, the "trickle" down has worked. There are more jobs out there than ever. But if you are choosing to sit in a minimum wage job waiting for trickle down, you deserve what you get. I've changed jobs twice since Trump was elected. All of those progressively more in pay.

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-24 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've changed jobs twice since Trump was elected. All of those progressively more in pay.

#7 | Posted by boaz

Congrats!

From burger flipper to cashier! All in just 2 years! Nicely done.

Moving on up!

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-24 12:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Trump cultists told you giving the 1% massive tax cuts would trickle down and pay for themselves.
Most didn't get trickled on and the deficit is exploding. More Trump lies.
Now the tell you if you didn't get trickled on, it is your fault.
Next they will cut SS and Medicare on the premise that it will balance the budget.
The truth is they will give the 1% another tax cut.

Trump cultists are as loony as Scientologists.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-24 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

People hated that Dems worked with Repubs, adopting Repub policy compromises. They hated it so much that they elected Repubs next. And now we see the effects of full Repub policy. The siphoning off of the nation's resources to the few. The problem is that our economy is actually driven by consumer spending. So when we take money from the consumer and hand it to their boss, we all get poorer.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-10-24 01:02 PM | Reply

I've changed jobs twice since Trump was elected. All of those progressively more in pay.
#7 | Posted by boaz

And less happy than ever. I've never seen a more miserable pathetic person.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-10-24 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Job hopping is generally frowned upon at your age, Boaz. But it could be amazing.

Just making a general statement that changing jobs twice in two years tells employers you aren't a long-term investment.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-24 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That's because a booming stock market means nothing for most Americans.

A better retirement maybe? But that doesn't do anything for their current situation.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-24 01:31 PM | Reply

The ever popular strawman-whataboutism combo.

#5 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

What's the strawman here?

What's the whataboutism here?

This is a pretty clear "Trump policies aren't working" statistic.

Are you just repeating popular phrases you've heard on here to avoid dealing with reality again? Oh that's so cute...Please get help.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-24 01:34 PM | Reply

No, the "trickle" down has worked. There are more jobs out there than ever. But if you are choosing to sit in a minimum wage job waiting for trickle down, you deserve what you get. I've changed jobs twice since Trump was elected. All of those progressively more in pay.

#7 | Posted by boaz

Why are you on this thread? It doesn't have anything to do with sexual identity, gender politics, or your repressed homosexual desires.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 01:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Why are you on this thread? It doesn't have anything to do with sexual identity, gender politics, or your repressed homosexual desires.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

He didn't want to sound like he was bragging but Boaz just wanted everyone to know that after 2 years he finally got promoted to cashier at Burger Sling.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-24 02:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I don't want to pick on Boaz, wait that is a trump, here goes.

The economy has been improving for 8 years (mostly from low interest rates) and is booming now so getting pay raises in IT is easy.

At the same time, Boaz never seems to keep a job for a year since getting shoved out of the military.
Good thing officer rejects get pity jobs in the MIC.

#17 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-24 02:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

No, the "trickle" down has worked. There are more jobs out there than ever. But if you are choosing to sit in a minimum wage job waiting for trickle down, you deserve what you get. I've changed jobs twice since Trump was elected. All of those progressively more in pay.
#7 | Posted by boaz

There lots of jobs in the south during the early 1800's too.

Doesn't mean people's finances improved except a select few.

Sorry, were you trying to make a point and fell on your face?

#18 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-24 02:36 PM | Reply

"A better retirement maybe?"

Trump's legacy will be a worse economic state for everyone besides the 0.0001%. So nope to that.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-10-24 02:54 PM | Reply

Trump's legacy will be a worse economic state for everyone besides the 0.0001%. So nope to that.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner

Well yeah, because eventually the market will "correct" when they cash out their intentionally inflated bubble.

They'll walk away with even more money they don't need and everyone else will be stuck with nothing they worked hard for.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-24 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

People hated that Dems worked with Repubs, adopting Repub policy compromises.

What alternate Universe do you live in?

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-24 03:15 PM | Reply

What alternate Universe do you live in?

#21 | Posted by boaz

The world where dems proposed a republican plan for healthcare reform and repubs then called it communism.

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So if Dems "worked" with republicans, why did it pass along a party line vote with NO Republican support?

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-24 03:37 PM | Reply

"So if Dems "worked" with republicans..." - #23 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-24 03:37 PM

They did:

Obamacare Included Republican Ideas, but the G.O.P. Health Plan Has Left Democrats Out

[snip] The keystone principle of the act -- a mandate that all Americans buy health insurance -- is rooted in conservative thinking. Additionally, the Democrat-controlled House and Senate committees adopted nearly 190 Republican amendments while writing the legislation, according to data compiled by The New York Times.

"...why did it pass along a party line vote with NO Republican support?"

Because they're dicks, like you.

#24 | Posted by Hans at 2018-10-24 03:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

So if Dems "worked" with republicans, why did it pass along a party line vote with NO Republican support?

Because Republicans are petty jealousy people who couldn't fathom how a black man was president. So they declared themselves the party of "No" and vowed to not approve anything Obama.

So when Obama suggested the Massachusetts version of heathcare, which was created by Romney-R, Republicans dubbed it Obamacare and said no to it.

Republicans are hateful. To their cores. All of you.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-24 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Because Republicans are petty jealousy people who couldn't fathom how a black man was president. So they declared themselves the party of "No" and vowed to not approve anything Obama.

Nowadays what you described is called #TheResistance and it's regarded as woke and righteous. It's amazing how much times have changed.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 03:49 PM | Reply

So if Dems "worked" with republicans, why did it pass along a party line vote with NO Republican support?

#23 | Posted by boaz

Because the president had brown skin.

Same reason the opposed him on everything else. To win the support of bigots like you.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 03:59 PM | Reply

Nowadays what you described is called #TheResistance and it's regarded as woke and righteous. It's amazing how much times have changed.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ

Yeah if trump were an intelligent responsible adult like obama you'd have a great point. But he's the opposite of that so your typical false equivalence only serves to remind us that you're not as smart as you try to sound.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 04:01 PM | Reply

#28

I expect the opposition party to act like an opposition party.

I wasn't bothered by the Party of No, nor am I bothered by #TheResistance.

If you don't like your double-standards being pointed out for you I suggest you start applying consistent standards.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If it weren't for false equivalency.

Jeff wouldn't have anything to post.

Other than bbq recipes. Which. He should stick with. Since it's the only thing he's actually knows about.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-24 04:08 PM | Reply

It's about as clear of an equivalency as one can get in politics.

It eviscerates the narrative though which is why Speaks is getting all testy.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 04:13 PM | Reply

#23 you're thhhiiiiiiiiis close to finally seeing why the GOP is so loathesome.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-24 04:16 PM | Reply

#26 unless you can provide links showing the Dems were suddenly against a wall, unnecessary tax cuts and kicking Putin's ass I'm gonna have to say you're full of it.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-24 04:18 PM | Reply

Just because Romney selected his type of medical plan for his state doesnt mean it applies to the entire country.

And that site only shows amendments that Republicans brought up since Obamacare's passage. It's not a Republican plan, else it would have passed.

And NO ONE wanted Obamacare except those who would benefit from free healthcare. The country didnt want it. You shoved it down our throats. I remember.

So NO, it ISNT a Republican plan. Parrot that LIE somewhere else.

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-24 04:20 PM | Reply

When Obama was president the party of no went as far as to not even consider a centrist supreme court nominee in their quest to govern in bad faith. Now that they have power, they appoint agency heads who not only don't believe in their agency's mission, they also actively seek to undermine said agencies' effectiveness.

It is not equivalent to being the party of no to "resist" efforts to govern in bad faith. In a way the GOP remains the party of no by refusing to operate an effective government.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-24 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31 and a self declared victory to boot!

Or maybe Jeff doesn't know what eviscerate means 🤔

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-24 04:20 PM | Reply

it was a republican plan no republicans voted for cuz ---- obama, that's why.

#37 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-10-24 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34 the only thing shoved down your throat was the garbage you were told to believe.

Which is why you remember it so well.

God you're still parroting that horrifically inaccurate "shove down throat" nonsense.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-24 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Want an example of "shoved down our throats"?

The patriot act.

#39 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-10-24 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Want an example of "shoved down our throats"?
The patriot act.
#39

Trump's tax plan written out in crayon on scrap paper that not even a speed reader could get through before the deadline.

#40 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-10-24 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And that site only shows amendments that Republicans brought up since Obamacare's passage." - #34 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-24 04:20 PM

What part of

...the Democrat-controlled House and Senate committees adopted nearly 190 Republican amendments while writing the legislation...
...don't you understand?

(cited in my post #24)

Parrot that LIE somewhere else.

#41 | Posted by Hans at 2018-10-24 05:16 PM | Reply

I wasn't bothered by the Party of No, nor am I bothered by #TheResistance.

If you don't like your double-standards being pointed out for you I suggest you start applying consistent standards.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ

You don't even know what a double standard is.

For there to be a double standard, obama would have to be a dangerous ignorant lunatic like trump.

Saying repubs' opposition to obama is just like dems' opposition to trump, again, makes you look really stupid.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Saying repubs' opposition to obama is just like dems' opposition to trump, again, makes you look really stupid.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-10-24 05:20 PM | REPLY

Or an extreme partisan hackjob.

#43 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-24 05:25 PM | Reply

a dangerous ignorant lunatic like trump.
#42 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I'll go along with ignorant, but the rest "again, makes you look really stupid."

and hysterical.

#44 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 05:29 PM | Reply

For there to be a double standard, obama would have to be a dangerous ignorant lunatic like trump.

So far his domestic and foreign policy has been more constrained that Obama.

Fact is, you are rationalizing. It's a double-standard and you know it. You just don't want to accept it.

But then you have a shallow, binary outlook on politics, so this is to be expected. Ditto for that slob nibbling at my ankles.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 05:47 PM | Reply

Want an example of "shoved down our throats"?

The patriot act.

#39 | Posted by Alexandrite

Are we mixing examples?

I thought that was the "microphone up the butt" example.

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-24 06:00 PM | Reply

I'll go along with ignorant, but the rest "again, makes you look really stupid."

and hysterical.

#44 | Posted by SheepleSchism

When you know you can't plausibly say obama was as bad as trump, you switch to saying people who point that fact out are "hysterical."

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 06:03 PM | Reply

"And NO ONE wanted Obamacare except those who would benefit from free healthcare."

Corrected for accuracy: NO ONE wanted Obamacare except those who would benefit from the ACA & AFFORDABLE healthcare.

Running on repealing and replacing affordable healthcare with NOTHING is a very unique platform and out of the box thinking.

So...Ummmm Good luck with that!

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-24 06:04 PM | Reply

Want an example of "shoved down our throats"?

Corky likes to shove panties down peoples throats.

He's used that more than once. firkin weirdo.

#49 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 06:04 PM | Reply

When you know you can't plausibly say obama was as bad as trump
#47 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

In what sense, speaking? Obama is better. Acting diplomatic or presidential? Obama is better.

Lying? Obama is better. at least we KNOW Trump is lying. Obama just acted like you misheard him.

- you switch to saying people who point that fact out are "hysterical."

Describing Trump as a "dangerous, lunatic" is hysterical.

#50 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 06:09 PM | Reply

Fact is, you are rationalizing. It's a double-standard and you know it. You just don't want to accept it.

But then you have a shallow, binary outlook on politics, so this is to be expected. Ditto for that slob nibbling at my ankles.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ

Every post you write proves my point - you don't know what a double standard is.

Repub opposition to obama was not deserved. It was immediate, passionate, angry, and racist.

Dem opposition to trump was EARNED. He had already proven himself to be a liar, con man, sexual predator, egomaniac, and racist.

For a double standard to exist, trump and obama would have to have been relatively equally horrible.

If dems had supported a dem who was a liar, con man, sexual predator, egomaniac, and racist, yet they opposed trump for being a liar, con man, sexual predator, egomaniac, and racist, THEN you'd have a double standard.

Lets see if I can make this simpler for you since you're having such a hard time:

One careless driver backs into your car by accident in a parking lot.
Another careless driver runs over your child driving 80mph down your residential street.
Should you react equally to each of these accidents to avoid having a DOUBLE STANDARD? Or do different situations justify different reactions?

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Describing Trump as a "dangerous, lunatic" is hysterical.

#50 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Thinking trump isn't a dangerous lunatic means you're either ignorant of his words and behavior, or you're too stupid to know what's in front of your face.

People who are smarter than you are upset and worried because they are smart enough to know they should be.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#52 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The hysteria continues...

#53 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 06:16 PM | Reply

Describing Trump as a "dangerous, lunatic" is hysterical.

#50 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Still haven't gotten that help yet huh? I'm sure there are meds for people like you.

By the way, did your life size plush Donald Trump snuggle pillow come in yet so you don't feel so lonely at night?

#54 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-24 06:22 PM | Reply

hysteria

#53 | Posted by SheepleSchism

*DRINK

You clearly just get your stupid little catch phrase of the day and repeat it on every thread.

Do you get to pick it yourself or does your boss assign it to you?

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 06:28 PM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
#55 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Tandem meltdown in progress.

Trump is an ignorant, boorish, and complete jack hole with the intelligence of a NYC -------.

But "dangerous, lunatic' is utter hysteria.

Feel free to continue your emotional outburst, since it's what you do best.

#56 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 06:34 PM | Reply

#52. Because you say so. You think anyone you disagree with is either stupid or evil so #Resistance was always going to be justifiable to you whereas anything short of the GOP acting as a lockstep rubber stamp for Obama would be derided as racist by you.

Your manta is we=good / they=bad and it underlies every post you make. Every. Single. One.

It's absolutely a double standard and it appears to anger you when you get your nose rubbed in it.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 06:34 PM | Reply

But then you have a shallow, binary outlook on politics,
#45 | Posted by JeffJ

That's the double the dimensions of jeffylube's outlook. Its Right or nothing for the lube rube.

#58 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-24 06:37 PM | Reply

One careless driver backs into your car by accident in a parking lot.
Another careless driver runs over your child driving 80mph down your residential street.
Should you react equally to each of these accidents to avoid having a DOUBLE STANDARD? Or do different situations justify different reactions?

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Are we talking about the black guy...or the white guy?

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-24 06:39 PM | Reply

It's absolutely a double standard and it appears to anger you when you get your nose rubbed in it.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ

You're really into the whole self-declared victory today.

Despite the fact that he is in fact correct that you're not describing a double standard.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-24 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump is an ignorant, boorish, and complete jack hole with the intelligence of a NYC -------.

But "dangerous, lunatic' is utter hysteria.

Feel free to continue your emotional outburst, since it's what you do best.

#56 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Feel free to act like having a "ignorant, boorish, and complete jack hole with the intelligence of a NYC -------" in the white house isn't dangerous.

I love it when you prove how stupid you are.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 06:42 PM | Reply

Absolutely I am.

Plus Speaks would take this approach regardless of which GOP member was in the WH.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 06:42 PM | Reply

#61 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Justifying hysteria.

#63 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 06:48 PM | Reply

But "dangerous, lunatic' is utter hysteria.

Trump is extremely dangerous.

His words fuel the anger and hate of his ignorant base.

He's turned immigrants into scapegoats for failed Republican policies.

He personally attacks journalists and journalism. Athletes. Judges. Or anyone critical of him.

His failures are always someone else's fault.

Also. This isn't anything new. Trump personally fueled birtherisim for eight years.

The guy represents everything wrong with America.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-24 06:51 PM | Reply

Justifying hysteria.

#63 | Posted by SheepleSchism

*DRINK

Do you get paid double to post the word HYSTERIA?

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 06:59 PM | Reply

Justifying hysteria.

#63 | Posted by SheepleSchism

*DRINK

Do you get paid double to post the word HYSTERIA?

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

double word score plus a bonus for using the letter Y

#66 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-24 07:01 PM | Reply

Plus Speaks would take this approach regardless of which GOP member was in the WH.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ

I'd attack whatever president we have for whatever their faults are. I attacked dubya for being a stupid puppet of the oil industry.

I attacked obama for selling out to the banks and insurance companies.

And I attack trump for being the most dangerous, ignorant, dishonest, disgusting president we've ever had.

The fact that you see trump as just another president just tells smarter people how stupid you are.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 07:02 PM | Reply

- The guy represents everything wrong with America.

So does Twitter and Facebook. Real Housewives and Kardashians, voyeurism TV.

Hell, the DR encapsulates everything wrong with America..

However, they aren't "dangerous, lunatic". That's hysteria.

#68 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 07:03 PM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
#55 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY
Tandem meltdown in progress.
#56 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

"Meltdown"?

Is that what you call it when people laugh at you?

I bet a lot of people have "meltdowns" every time you open your mouth.

Go curl up with your life size Donald Trump snuggle pillow. You'll feel better in the morning...until everyone has "meltdowns" around you again.

#69 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-24 07:04 PM | Reply

Shep said 'Hysteria' again!

*Drink*

LOL

I think I am melting!

LOL

Am I melting?

LOL

I'm melting!

#70 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-24 07:09 PM | Reply

#69 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Let it all out.

The meltdown and hissy fit are sisters.

#71 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 07:11 PM | Reply

hysteria.

#68 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Sheeple got assigned to use the word HYSTERIA today everybody. In case you hadn't noticed.

One could say Sheeplie is being HYSTERICAL about HYSTERIA.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 07:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

99% of Americans would say they are worse off if polled today.

Market is bad.....

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-24 07:30 PM | Reply

And I attack trump for being the most dangerous, ignorant, dishonest, disgusting president we've ever had.

Pick up a history book, doofus. Trump has plenty of company on all of those fronts. And Jesus H Christ on a popsicle stick, garner some perspective when reading some history.

The fact that you see trump as just another president just tells smarter people how stupid you are.

#67 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

So far Trump has been far less damaging than: W Bush, Harding, Buchanan and numerous others. You are so self-absorbed you have ZERO grasp of historical perspective.

Fact is you paint ALL conservatives and ALL Republicans with the broadest-brush and in the most base terms available. "Trump" is simply an insert name here:_________________________ for you. The attacks wouldn't change which is why your butt-hurt over the party of No when it came to your hero is so risible.

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 07:58 PM | Reply

So far Trump has been far less damaging than:

Hey Jeff. You're only lying to yourself.

Instead of wasting your time here.

Go cook something.

Because you're a fffking RTard when it comes to politics, the economy, or what's best for America.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-24 08:06 PM | Reply

"Pick up a history book, doofus. Trump has plenty of company on all of those fronts."

Which one of them debased the office of the Presidency, this far, this fast?

#76 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 08:09 PM | Reply

#76 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Trump meant what he said, and regretted feeling forced to clarify.

His original remarks lent no support to Neo-nazis or violent white supremacists,

and yet that's your partisan take, because Trump hate. and hysteria.

#77 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 08:20 PM | Reply

Clown,

Are we embroiled in any Iraq adventures or Libya leading from behind?

Do we have legislation on top of legislation via phone and pen?

We DO have new tariffs, which are pretty awful. We DO have deficits approaching $1 Trillion during an economic boon which is not only inexcusable but IS very damaging.

When it comes to vile nastiness, Trump is on par with the likes of Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon, Lyndon Baines Johnson and Andrew Jackson. That's pretty bad company but hardly unique.

Again, historical perspective is sorely needed.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 08:26 PM | Reply

"When it comes to vile nastiness, Trump is on par with the likes of Bill Clinton"

Speaking of needing to pick up a history book....

Of course, you'd think living through it would've taught you enough.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 08:28 PM | Reply

So far Trump has been far less damaging than: W Bush, Harding, Buchanan and numerous others. You are so self-absorbed you have ZERO grasp of historical perspective.

Fact is you paint ALL conservatives and ALL Republicans with the broadest-brush and in the most base terms available. "Trump" is simply an insert name here:_________________________ for you. The attacks wouldn't change which is why your butt-hurt over the party of No when it came to your hero is so risible.

#74 | Posted by JeffJ

Really? I could attack ANY republican as being a con man who came to power by appealing to racists? I could say EVEY republican colluded with our enemies? I could say EVERY republican appointed their uninformed family members as high ranking government officials? EVERY republican would appoint pollution lobbyists to protect the planet? EVERY republican would start a trade war against the advice of every sane economist?

You thinking trump hasn't done as much harm as those other presidents only shows your ignorance of what he's done so far.

Ignorance is bliss, and you've got plenty of it.

When trump's national credit card bill comes due, I can't wait to hear your dumb ass blame it on whatever dem is in office at the time.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Speaking of needing to pick up a history book....

Of course, you'd think living through it would've taught you enough.

#79 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I did live through it. And I've studied the Clintons for a long time. Do you have anything constructive to add?

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 08:30 PM | Reply

When trump's national credit card bill comes due, I can't wait to hear your dumb ass blame it on whatever dem is in office at the time.

#80 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-10-24 08:30 PM | FLAG:

Jeff always does. Doesn't he??

#82 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-24 08:32 PM | Reply

Trump meant what he said, and regretted feeling forced to clarify.

His original remarks lent no support to Neo-nazis or violent white supremacists,

and yet that's your partisan take, because Trump hate. and hysteria.

#77 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You realize his original remarks are on videotape right? Everyone can see it and know you're lying.

"Very fine people...on BOTH sides" One of those sides was nazis and klansmen.

Remember when you used to pretend to support this guy:
www.washingtonpost.com
Sanders to Trump: ‘There are no nice Nazis'
"We have a president who was equivocal -- nice people on both sides!" said Sanders in a nighttime event at Fellowship Chapel Church. "No! There are no nice Nazis!"

#83 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 08:33 PM | Reply

Really? I could attack ANY republican as being a con man who came to power by appealing to racists? I could say EVEY republican colluded with our enemies? I could say EVERY republican appointed their uninformed family members as high ranking government officials? EVERY republican would appoint pollution lobbyists to protect the planet? EVERY republican would start a trade war against the advice of every sane economist? - Speaksoftly

You do it all day, every day.

If what I typed doesn't represent where you are actually at, a TON of clarification is needed. And I'll go a step further - on numerous occasions I've sought such clarification and you've always doubled down. At one point, when really cornered, I think you allowed for a minuscule subset - less than 1% - of those who disagreed with you were doing so with a modicum of intelligence, a modicum of education and at least a glimmer of a lack of cruelty and a lack of selfishness. And that was only when you were cornered and were in the best possible mood I've ever seen you - probably the day you took delivery of your Tesla 3.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 08:35 PM | Reply

You do it all day, every day.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ

I do what all day? Say that all republicans are just like trump?

Find a quote then.

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 08:37 PM | Reply

" I've studied the Clintons for a long time. "

And lied about them non-stop. Take the CF, for example. You've accused them of corruption, without a shred of evidence, and only because donations dropped after she lost the election. Meanwhile, you were absent on threads regarding credible accusations against the Trump "Foundation" and his family.

Your "study" sounds like watching a lot of Fox News.

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 08:38 PM | Reply

When trump's national credit card bill comes due, I can't wait to hear your dumb ass blame it on whatever dem is in office at the time.

#80 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-10-24 08:30 PM | FLAG:

We are on a trajectory of insolvency due to debt, deficits unfunded liabilities.

The problem is WAY bigger than merely - "raise the FICA cap and ALL of our problems are solved"

We will be Greece within 3 or 4 decades. All we can do is plan on an individual level to try and mitigate damage to our families. Washington is that broken and is that far beyond repair.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 08:40 PM | Reply

We will be Greece within 3 or 4 decades. All we can do is plan on an individual level to try and mitigate damage to our families. Washington is that broken and is that far beyond repair.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ

Did trump's tax cuts for the rich make that problem better or worse?

#88 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 08:42 PM | Reply

"We are on a trajectory of insolvency due to debt, deficits unfunded liabilities. "

Remember all your objections to the recent borrowing of $1.5 Trillion for tax cuts? No one else does either.

"Washington is that broken and is that far beyond repair."

Clinton left us with a path to pay off the deficits. Dubya and Cheney reset the fiscal sights to the largest deficits known to man at the time.

Then you voted for Bush and Cheney, again. Now Trump does this, and you're about to vote Republican, again.

Please STFU about your concern regarding debts and deficits; your votes speak MUCH louder than any of your postings.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 08:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Meanwhile, you were absent on threads regarding credible accusations against the Trump "Foundation" and his family.

You're full of it. I have equated the Trump "foundation" with Trump "U".

" I've studied the Clintons for a long time. "

And lied about them non-stop.

Oh please. Do you really want me to list a fraction of well-documented occurrences of Clinton grifting?

ake the CF, for example. You've accused them of corruption, without a shred of evidence, and only because donations dropped after she lost the election.

I've actually commented very little on CF. You are correct that I have been quick to point out their drop in donations corresponding her losing the election. Why is that? The possible reasons are numerous. CF isn't the reason I target the corruption of the Clintons.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 08:47 PM | Reply

Did trump's tax cuts for the rich make that problem better or worse?

#88 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Worse.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 08:47 PM | Reply

"Do you really want me to list a fraction of well-documented occurrences of Clinton grifting? "

Sure, if you have any truthful ones.

"I've actually commented very little on CF. "

You were hammered one night and went off on it. Accused HRC of everything but being a child of God, and all because, in your view, donations dropping after losing the election PROVES her corruption.

"You are correct that I have been quick to point out their drop in donations corresponding her losing the election. Why is that?"

Because SHE LOST THE ELECTION. Good God, does it take an Einstein to figure that out?

#92 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 08:50 PM | Reply

Worse.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ

So then people who care about the debt should have voted for trump or not?

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 08:51 PM | Reply

"Worse."

And to teach them a lesson, JeffJ is going to vote Republican next time. That'll show 'em.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 08:51 PM | Reply

Remember all your objections to the recent borrowing of $1.5 Trillion for tax cuts? No one else does either.

You need to learn how to read.

Clinton left us with a path to pay off the deficits. Along with House Republicans. (Remind me of which branch of government controls the purse-strings)

Dubya and Cheney reset the fiscal sights to the largest deficits known to man at the time.

Yes. That was a terribly destructive period of GOP controlling the WH and congress. "Compassionate conservatism" What a crock!

Then you voted for Bush and Cheney, again. Now Trump does this, and you're about to vote Republican, again.

First off, I'm not a single issue voter. Secondly, unless unfunded liabilities are seriously addressed, the rest of this crap is window-dressing. Thirdly, I voted third party in '16 (Johnson), so STFU with your lame attempt at vote-shaming.

Please STFU about your concern regarding debts and deficits; your votes speak MUCH louder than any of your postings.

#89 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Seriously, screw-off with that crap. The trajectory of the federal budget, taken as a whole, is on a path to insolvency and no amount of tax increases can fix it, by themselves. Do you support cuts to any federal growth? I know you probably support gutting the military but even that barely makes a dent in the overall budget. I know you support a massive expansion via a single payer system, which will increase government spending exponentially.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 08:56 PM | Reply

- point out their drop in donations corresponding her losing the election. Why is that?
Because SHE LOST THE ELECTION. Good God, does it take an Einstein to figure that out?
#92 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Not an Einstein, but apparently it takes someone with honesty and integrity to admit to the correlation, which you refuse to do.

#96 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 08:59 PM | Reply

"The trajectory of the federal budget, taken as a whole, is on a path to insolvency "

And the folks YOU vote for moved us from surpluses to THIS PATH.

"I know you probably support gutting the military but even that barely makes a dent in the overall budget."

Good God, man, are you really that bad at basic math?

"I know you support a massive expansion via a single payer system"

More bad math? How stupid are you trying to look?

"so STFU with your lame attempt at vote-shaming."

Did you vote for the Republican who voted for the tax cuts, or not?

"Seriously, screw-off with that crap."

Seriously, STFU about debt and deficits. You had your chance, and then voted for (and still vote for) the folks who put us there.

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"it takes someone with honesty and integrity to admit to the correlation"

I admitted to the correlation, --------, I even gave the reason, in capital letters.

But just to see if you're paying attention, does the drop in donations prove Clinton corruption, or not?

#98 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:03 PM | Reply

"You need to learn how to read."

Feel free to post anything from yourself where you condemned the new tax code back in real time.

#99 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:04 PM | Reply

I know you support a massive expansion via a single payer system, which will increase government spending exponentially.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ

Nice half-lie there.

Increases government spending by LESS than it DECREASES personal spending. Paid for by additional taxes. People pay less in additional taxes than they were paying in health care costs.

In other words, LESS SPENDING ON HEALTH CARE.

Is spending less on health care good or bad?

#100 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 09:04 PM | Reply

We will be Greece within 3 or 4 decades. All we can do is plan on an individual level to try and mitigate damage to our families. Washington is that broken and is that far beyond repair.
#87 | Posted by JeffJ

Did trump's tax cuts for the rich make that problem better or worse?
#88 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Jesus, what a blind hack. you won't even listen to reasonable dialogue.

You deserve the Demokrauts

#101 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 09:05 PM | Reply

The 3 entitlement programs, left untouched, will absolutely bury this country. In 2011 the House-lead GOP passed a budget that addressed these issues in a very fundamental way. I loved some aspects of it and loathed other aspects of it. But it was real and had a vote attached. Hell, even much of the MSM tipped their hat to that congress for addressing the elephant in the room. Ryan is about to retire so it was probably a fleeting moment. Having said that, the Democratic Party shamefully demagogues even addressing the trajectory and hasn't shown even a scintilla of interest in even trying to address it.

So quit trying to pretend that any of you give a rip about our deficits, debt and the budget-trajectory of this country.

#102 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 09:05 PM | Reply

Is spending less on health care good or bad?
#100 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Not for Obama's crappy insurance plans.

#103 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 09:06 PM | Reply

And the folks YOU vote for moved us from surpluses to THIS PATH.

And the folks YOU vote for want to massively increase spending. MASSIVELY.

"I know you probably support gutting the military but even that barely makes a dent in the overall budget."
---
Good God, man, are you really that bad at basic math?

How much deterrence are you willing to sacrifice and correlate that with how much of our military budget you are willing to slash. Do you think WWII was either cheap or unnecessary? History books are helpful here.

"I know you support a massive expansion via a single payer system"
----

More bad math? How stupid are you trying to look?

Yes, I know how much single-payer will cost. I also know how much student-loan debt forgiveness will cost. I also know how much "free" college tuition will cost. These are ALL things the folks YOU champion are pushing. Throw in things like Cap-n-trade, economy-emasculating regulations, artificially manufactured skyrocketed energy costs and a horde of other economic hardships...and you support folks who want ALL of that. Is that really what you want? Do you really want an emasculated economy, substandard healthcare with technological advancements all-cut stifled? A massive growth of the federal government?

#104 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 09:14 PM | Reply

I've changed jobs twice since Trump was elected. All of those progressively more in pay.

#7 | Posted by Comrade Boazo

You mean you've been fired twice during the Trump administration.
Probably fired for being the redneck racist that you are!

#105 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-10-24 09:14 PM | Reply

"So quit trying to pretend that any of you give a rip about our deficits, debt and the budget-trajectory of this country."

Bwahahaha! I've been warning against the trajectory for years. The difference is, I vote for the folks trying to do something about it, and you vote for the folks who think more tax cuts for the wealthiest are the answer. If ANYONE should stop pretending, shouldn't it be the enabler?

"In 2011 the House-lead GOP passed a budget that addressed these issues in a very fundamental way."

--------. It included tax cuts for the wealthiest.

"the Democratic Party shamefully demagogues even addressing the trajectory and hasn't shown even a scintilla of interest in even trying to address it."

They raised taxes on the wealthiest when they could, so you're lying.

#106 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:15 PM | Reply

#104 Technological advancements in healthcare - sorry for the omission.

#107 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 09:16 PM | Reply

" I know how much single-payer will cost."

More, or less than the USA is paying now?

"economy-emasculating regulations"

More Fox News --------. Tell us, if they're so emasculating, how did we get the economy from where Obama inherited to where he handed it off?

All we got by removing all that "emasculation" is a guarantee Flint was just a warm-up act.

#108 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:18 PM | Reply

Jesus, what a blind hack. you won't even listen to reasonable dialogue.

You deserve the Demokrauts

#101 | Posted by SheepleSchism

In sheeple's world, false equivalency=reasonable dialogue.

It appears you're trying to come up with a witty pun but you've failed. Unless there is some sort of way you think democrats are like the germans? Maybe in that they want single payer health care, government funded college, all those things BERNIE SANDERS wants....

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 09:18 PM | Reply

"How much deterrence are you willing to sacrifice and correlate that with how much of our military budget you are willing to slash."

More Fox propaganda. How many countries below us have to be added together to come up with what we spend?

#110 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:19 PM | Reply

Do you really want an emasculated economy, substandard healthcare with technological advancements all-cut stifled? A massive growth of the federal government?

#104 | Posted by JeffJ

The fact that you equate protecting the planet with EMASCULATING the economy shows how effective republicans messaging has been and how men who are worried about their masculinity fall for it.

Pollution = masculine
Environmentalism = feminine

"Well then I'm pro pollution!"
-Small dicked / closeted homosexual men

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 09:21 PM | Reply

I admitted to the correlation, --------, I even gave the reason, in capital letters.
But just to see if you're paying attention, does the drop in donations prove Clinton corruption, or not?

#98 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

It only stands to reason. Major players donated for access, not Africans with HIV.

In fact, the entire African HIV bulls*t story isn't even on the Clintons radar anymore.

For some strange reason. But the trusted 'public servants' are rich, Rich, RICH!! - Obama's too. pretty good for a community organizer.

#112 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 09:22 PM | Reply

Not for Obama's crappy insurance plans.

#103 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Obama got RID of crappy insurance plans. Your party is bringing them back.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 09:22 PM | Reply

-Small dicked / closeted homosexual men
#111 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Let out your violent neo-feminist side, Speaks.

reach deep, past the migraines and blackouts.

#114 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 09:25 PM | Reply

- Obama got RID of crappy insurance plans.

LOL. he personally negotiated those ghetto plans.

#115 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 09:26 PM | Reply

Bwahahaha! I've been warning against the trajectory for years. The difference is, I vote for the folks trying to do something about it, and you vote for the folks who think more tax cuts for the wealthiest are the answer. If ANYONE should stop pretending, shouldn't it be the enabler?

I have NEVER Seen you advocate for any kind of cut to entitlement spending. EVER. In fact, I've seen you call for a massive increase in new entitlement spending.

To their credit, the Democratic Party does pay some lip service to increasing taxes. They have even delivered to a minor extent on a couple of notable occasions. Credit is where it's due. The problem is, it's window-dressing.

In 2011 the House-lead GOP passed a budget that addressed these issues in a very fundamental way."
---
--------. It included tax cuts for the wealthiest.

Slow down. Quit being a cherry-picking douche. This is what I said, in its entirety:

In 2011 the House-lead GOP passed a budget that addressed these issues in a very fundamental way. I loved some aspects of it and loathed other aspects of it.

Funny how you edited out the part in bold.

"the Democratic Party shamefully demagogues even addressing the trajectory and hasn't shown even a scintilla of interest in even trying to address it."
---
They raised taxes on the wealthiest when they could, so you're lying.

#106 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Yeah! They want to raise taxes ineffectually and simultaneously increase spending exponentially. That is what YOU vote for.

Our government should balance its budget during normal times. It should run a tiny surplus during economic booms and should lean on deficit-spending during recessions. I propose a 10% tax increase on ALL brackets. EVERYBODY should have skin in the game. EVERYBODY should feel the pain of funding the massive federal government progressives want. That would probably just cover it in its current iteration. Throw in "free" college, single-payer, student loan debt forgiveness, amnesty for illegals and everything else the left wants to give away...make the tax code fund all of that. That is what I want. That is what I favor.

#116 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 09:29 PM | Reply

LOL. he personally negotiated those ghetto plans.

#115 | Posted by SheepleSchism

If those are ghetto plans, what do you call the earlier plans which would deny you coverage for pre existing conditions or cut you off when you got really sick and expensive?

#117 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 09:29 PM | Reply

"It only stands to reason. Major players donated for access"

Which is why donations dropped after she lost the election.

"In fact, the entire African HIV bulls*t story isn't even on the Clintons radar anymore."

Why lie, when the truth is so easy to find?

https://clintonhealthaccess.org

"the trusted 'public servants' are rich, Rich, RICH!!"

And are you pretending you don't really know why? Speaking fees and book sales...you know, good business things Republicans usually praise. But the CF's books are transparent, and by law, any payments to the Clintons would have to be public, and publicly available. So either produce proof of the Clintons getting payments from the CF, or at least have the basic human decency to retract the smear.

#118 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:29 PM | Reply

"he personally negotiated those ghetto plans."

Can you taste the stupid when you post something so demonstrably dumb?

#119 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:30 PM | Reply

"How much deterrence are you willing to sacrifice and correlate that with how much of our military budget you are willing to slash."
---
More Fox propaganda. How many countries below us have to be added together to come up with what we spend?

#110 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

It was a question. Per usual, you pivoted away. Answer the question. If you can.

PS - I haven't watched cable news in years. I'd be willing to bet you lap-up MSNBC though.

:-)

#120 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 09:31 PM | Reply

I propose a 10% tax increase on ALL brackets.

#116 | Posted by JeffJ

Sure you do. And you know who else does? Rich people. Because it helps them and screws everyone else.

Tell me Jeff, do you think the problem with america right now is that the rich do not have enough money?

www.cnbc.com

#121 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 09:33 PM | Reply

I'm out for a bit. I have to grind a dry-brined chuck roast and loosely mix it with some partially smoked bacon that I will loosely mold into burgers for this weekend camping trip.

#122 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 09:33 PM | Reply

If those are ghetto plans, what do you call the earlier plans which would deny you coverage for pre existing conditions or cut you off when you got really sick and expensive?
#117 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Capitalism, illness profiteering, disease denying, financial catastrophies, sociopaths.

Obama played footsies with them. rolled out their ------ tiered crapper plans.
Instead, he should have gone to the American people on MSM 24/7 with power points, charts, experts, costs analysis, and more
Explaining to the people how single-payer is the only path forward and that we need to demand it, and THE HE HAD OUR BACKS.

But no, he's living in his gated mansion enjoying private millionaire life raising Ivy League privileged nose wipers.

#123 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 09:35 PM | Reply

#121
Speaks,

I couldn't care less about how much money people have.

We need to fund our government. Period. The tax rates need to reflect that.

Public opinion of a massive federal government will change only when people are actually forced to fund it via taxes.

#124 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 09:36 PM | Reply

" have NEVER Seen you advocate for any kind of cut to entitlement spending. EVER."

Maybe you were hammered. I've advocated for raising the retirement age for years. I've also advocated doing what other countries do: spend a LOWER percentage of our GDP on health care, cover more of the populace, and deliver better measurable results. I've also pushed for raising taxes to cover the baby boomers' retirement. Oh, and I voted for folks who DIDN'T pass a $2.1 Trillion Additional Borrowing Bill for tax cuts aimed at the world's wealthiest.

"I loved some aspects of it and loathed other aspects of it."

Seeing how you always vote for the folks wanting to slash taxes on the wealthiest, it's hard to believe that's the part you didn't like. But please don't pretend anything that includes tax cuts for the wealthiest actually addresses ANY deficit reduction honestly.

"Our government should balance its budget during normal times."

STFU. You voted for guys who believed the exact opposite, and enacted the exact opposite. And then you voted for them again.

"I propose a 10% tax increase on ALL brackets. "

But you vote for the folks who propose (and pass) a decrease on all brackets...ESPECIALLY CORPORATIONS, who got a 40% rate cut, and will end up with 60% of the additionally borrowed money. Your "proposal" means less than a fart in a windstorm to the people you elect.

#125 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:40 PM | Reply

"illness profiteering, disease denying, financial catastrophes"

Obamacare addressed each of these issues.

The fact you're still dogging plans which were head-and-shoulders above everything before them just exposes your ignorance on this topic.

#126 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:43 PM | Reply

"I haven't watched cable news in years"

Well, your sources sure spout Fox News crap.

#127 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:45 PM | Reply

"Public opinion of a massive federal government will change only when people are actually forced to fund it via taxes."

That's like saying police brutality will change only when people are actually forced to see it.
Then Rodney King happened.
Nothing changed.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-24 09:46 PM | Reply

"Answer the question."

Half would be fine by me. 25% would be okay.

Look around the developed world, and what they've done with budgets that weren't so military-heavy.

Meanwhile, if not the military, how much debt are you willing to keep running up?

#129 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:48 PM | Reply

I couldn't care less about how much money people have.

We need to fund our government. Period. The tax rates need to reflect that.

Public opinion of a massive federal government will change only when people are actually forced to fund it via taxes.

#124 | Posted by JeffJ

People are forced to fund it already stupid.

You're suggesting the poor fund it more and the rich fund it less, at a time when wealth inequality is already extreme.

A flat tax appeals to 2 types of people - rich people who will become richer from it, and stupid people who need things to be simple and are too stupid to see it will screw them.

#130 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 09:50 PM | Reply

Capitalism, illness profiteering, disease denying, financial catastrophies, sociopaths.

Obama played footsies with them. rolled out their ------ tiered crapper plans.
Instead, he should have gone to the American people on MSM 24/7 with power points, charts, experts, costs analysis, and more
Explaining to the people how single-payer is the only path forward and that we need to demand it, and THE HE HAD OUR BACKS.

But no, he's living in his gated mansion enjoying private millionaire life raising Ivy League privileged nose wipers.

#123 | Posted by SheepleSchism

And tell me - how does repeating trump's talking points for him everyday get us any closer to single payer healthcare?

#131 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-24 09:52 PM | Reply

"I couldn't care less about how much money people have."

Really, the economic welfare of your fellow Americans is of no concern to you?

Come to think of it, I believe you 100%.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-24 09:52 PM | Reply

"We need to fund our government. Period. The tax rates need to reflect that."
~JeffJ

"Like hell. We're going to create even BIGGER deficits."
~Republicans

"You've got my vote!"
~JeffJ

#133 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 09:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Capitalism, illness profiteering, disease denying, financial catastrophies, sociopaths."

All of which still remain.

It just doesn't get the attention it used to. Neither side wants to talk about it. The right defends this system and always has and now that Obamacare cemented the insurance industry into place.....magically the left shut up about those mean nasty profit hungry insurance companies and providers.

#134 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-24 10:04 PM | Reply

I've advocated for raising the retirement age for years - Danforth

In all sincerity - I have never, ever seen you advocate that. I am pinching myself to see if I'm dreaming.

#135 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 10:06 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

FYI - My FF for #132 wasn't sarcastic. That was a pretty good jab and credit is where it's due. I chuckled.

#136 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 10:07 PM | Reply

magically the left shut up about those mean nasty profit hungry insurance companies and providers.
#134 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Of course they did. They're in on it.

#137 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 10:09 PM | Reply

I've advocated for raising the retirement age for years - Danforth
In all sincerity - I have never, ever seen you advocate that. I am pinching myself to see if I'm dreaming.

#135 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I don't have a problem with that, just don't try to steal what I've paid in.

#138 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 10:11 PM | Reply

But you vote for the folks who propose (and pass) a decrease on all brackets...ESPECIALLY CORPORATIONS, who got a 40% rate cut, and will end up with 60% of the additionally borrowed money. Your "proposal" means less than a fart in a windstorm to the people you elect.

#125 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I want everybody to feel the economic pain of funding our massive and ever-growing government. I want it to hit everybody's pocket-book hard - hard enough necessary to balance the budget AND address unfunded liabilities. Do that and then, and only then, am I willing to address suborning our entire healthcare system to the federal government. I understand the cost savings (along with ALL of the negative tradeoffs that few on the single-payer Utopia side are never willing to acknowledge) but until we, as a country, learn how to fund what we currently have AND deal with the trajectory, adding exponential more spending only hastens our decline.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 10:12 PM | Reply

I don't have a problem with that, just don't try to steal what I've paid in.

#138 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

The longer we wait the more austere our options become.

#140 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 10:14 PM | Reply

And tell me - how does repeating trump's talking points for him everyday get us any closer to single payer healthcare?
#131 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The problem is that you conflate my pleasure in seeing the Democratic party implode with supporting Trump.

The party can't be remodeled and redecorated. It's has to be gutted after the collapse. scraped from its foundation.

And it can't come soon enough for me. I'll be cheering each floor that pancakes upon the one below it.

#141 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 10:18 PM | Reply

"I have never, ever seen you advocate that."

For years and years; long before I was elected a pension trustee in 2011. 1 month for every two years to retirement. Kids today should expect a minimum retirement age of 70.

#142 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 10:22 PM | Reply

"just don't try to steal what I've paid in."

You're waaaaaay too late; that ship sailed the day they decided to give politicians control, instead of Trustees.

#143 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 10:25 PM | Reply

My sister passed away last week. She had just turned 65.

Worked 43 years full time. Withdrew $0 out of it.

Sucks.

#144 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-24 10:29 PM | Reply

"along with ALL of the negative tradeoffs that few on the single-payer Utopia side are never willing to acknowledge"

Don't pull that ---- on me. I've been studying this subject for over 30 years. I know the ups and downs, in and out. If you want to bitch about the downside of single-payer, speak up.

Once you're done, talk about the cost savings, and tell us if that helps or hurts your worries about unfunded liabilities.

#145 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#144

Did she have any warning? Are there (opposite of longevity) genes in her heredity?

Generally, if expectancy is 78 or more, it's better to wait. If less, take it early. Spousal considerations may effect the decision as well.

#146 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 10:34 PM | Reply

Sorry to hear about your sister, Eb. Godspeed to you and the entire family.

#147 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 10:34 PM | Reply

146

No warning. We still don't know yet but my guess is aneurysm.

Nothing like that in our past.

I'm going to have a full stress test with a cardiologist soon.

#148 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-24 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"adding exponential more spending only hastens our decline"

In the big equation, how is adding exponentially more spending different from cutting exponentially more revenue?

#149 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 10:37 PM | Reply

147

Thank you.

#150 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-24 10:37 PM | Reply

#148.
After my heart attack, they told me to tell all my siblings to get a test.

My brother's nephew died at 25 from it, and immediately that entire family got tested.

Good idea. Good luck.

#151 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-24 10:41 PM | Reply

Sorry to hear that Ebs, my best friend from college passed away, no warning, from an aneurysm this summer at 56.

A stress test is a good thing, but diet and exercise are just as important.

#152 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-24 10:44 PM | Reply

For years and years; long before I was elected a pension trustee in 2011. 1 month for every two years to retirement. Kids today should expect a minimum retirement age of 70.

#142 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

PLEASE, repeat this over and over again. It can be in conjunction with whatever spending increase you advocate - I don't care - this is almost unheard of on the left.

#153 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 10:48 PM | Reply

152

Thanks. I've been fairly active over the years. Bought $500K in life insurance last year and got the best rating possible.

I get a biometric screening done annually.....always get pretty good results from it. I'm 49.

But I'd feel better if I had one of these done.

#154 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-24 10:48 PM | Reply

My condolences Eberly.

#155 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 10:49 PM | Reply

My sister passed away last week. She had just turned 65.

Worked 43 years full time. Withdrew $0 out of it.

Sucks.

#144 | POSTED BY EBERLY

My condolences, Ebs. I can't even imagine what you are going through. I am very tight with my brother. If he were to die like that....I know it's cliche...best wishes and prayers for you and your family.

#156 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 10:50 PM | Reply

I had my colonoscopy done when I turned 50. They found a healthy poop and hemorrhoids.

When I was unconscious, I dreamed I saw Bill Clinton. He gave me that thumbs up and said, "you're doin' good".

True story.

#157 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-24 10:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Thanks to all of you.

#158 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-24 10:54 PM | Reply

don't try to steal what I've paid in.

Of course Republicans are going to steal what you've paid in.

It's the only way they can pay for the unnecessary tax cuts they continuously give the rich and the wars they need in order to steal from the Middle East.

#159 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-24 11:00 PM | Reply

My sister passed away last week. She had just turned 65.

Sorry to read.

My condolences Ebs.

#160 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-24 11:01 PM | Reply

You thinking trump hasn't done as much harm as those other presidents only shows your partisanship.

Jeff has become such a hardcore Trumpublican.

He has started eating his steaks well done.

With ketchup.

Out of Trump's colon.

#161 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-24 11:06 PM | Reply

Thanks Clown I just became sick to my stomach.

#162 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-24 11:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Jeff has become such a hardcore Trumpublican.

#161 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Uh huh. This "hardcore Trumplican" is currently reading a signed copy by Rick Wilson of Everything Trump Touches Dies (gift from a friend). Naturally hardcore "Triumpublicans" read books about Trump that paint him in far more negative ways than anyone on this site is capable - Rick Wilson is quite the wordsmith.

But, feel free to continue with your fantasy narrative. Laura has been on it for years.

#163 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-24 11:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- reading a signed copy by Rick Wilson of Everything Trump Touches Dies (gift from a friend)

Doesn't count coz it was free.

plus, my bong hits are angry.

-Clown

#164 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-25 12:09 AM | Reply

Laura has been on it for years.

Laura has been calling you a Trumpublican for years?

She's smarter than I thought.

#165 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-25 01:00 AM | Reply

Kids today should expect a minimum retirement age of 70.

#142 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Which is absurd.

Yet another example of how the younger generation is getting the shaft compared to older generations.

#166 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 01:05 AM | Reply

I'm going to have a full stress test with a cardiologist soon.

#148 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Good luck.

And please disregard the accidental FF.

#167 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 01:07 AM | Reply

Uh huh. This "hardcore Trumplican" is currently reading a signed copy by Rick Wilson of Everything Trump Touches Dies

So what? I've read multiple Ann Coulter books over the years.

Are you going to suddenly regard me as a non-partisan?

#168 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 01:10 AM | Reply

Uh huh. This "hardcore Trumplican" is currently reading a signed copy by Rick Wilson of Everything Trump Touches Dies

That doesn't mean a thing. I read the bible. That doesn't mean I'm making it into heaven.

#169 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-25 01:12 AM | Reply

She's smarter than I thought.
#165 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2018-10-25 01:00 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Hey NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm smarter than Larry.

#170 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-25 01:13 AM | Reply

"Which is absurd."

Not when you look at longevity tables. Absurd would be ignoring the obvious math, and the actuarial problems administering a program with ever-lengthening payouts.

#171 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 01:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yet another example of how the younger generation is getting the shaft compared to older generations."

Not with my suggestion; I'm only wanting them to pay for their own retirements, which will be longer than ours.

#172 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 01:21 AM | Reply

Not when you look at longevity tables.

Longevity isn't increasing. The media, of course, presents it as "dropping" when it goes from 76.3 to 76.1 years but really it's static.

Why should people of my generation be expected to retired 5 years later just to make sure earlier people get their benefits?

BTW these are primarily Devil's Advocate questions as I'm planning my financials to hopefully avoid having to depend on SS in any way whatsoever.

#173 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 01:38 AM | Reply

I'm only wanting them to pay for their own retirements, which will be longer than ours.

Even with retirement being five years later? What data is that based on?

#174 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 01:39 AM | Reply

Look at longevity tables and extrapolate them out 70 years. What do you get? More than the three additional years I'm suggesting.

#175 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 01:55 AM | Reply

"Even with retirement being five years later?"

Three years later. Currently, full retirement age for those born in 1960 and after is 67.

#176 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 01:57 AM | Reply

"Longevity isn't increasing."

Of course it is. The recent static was a blip. Look in longer chunks.

#177 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 02:00 AM | Reply

Do you have a source for the "statistical blip"?

#178 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 02:03 AM | Reply

"Why should people of my generation be expected to retired 5 years later just to make sure earlier people get their benefits."

That's not the reason. The reason is because your retirement is going to last longer.

#179 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 02:05 AM | Reply

"Do you have a source for the "statistical blip"?"

I believe it's been due in part to the opioid crisis.

Regardless, if you expand the tables it's obvious blips occur, but the trend marches on.

#180 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 02:10 AM | Reply

That's not the reason. The reason is because your retirement is going to last longer.

Fair enough...although I'm not convinced.

I believe it's been due in part to the opioid crisis.

I do remember that being the cause for it.

However, the number of opioid overdose deaths is about 0.01% of total.

I'm thinking we're hitting the limits of life extension that's affordable for your average person.

Which means SS projections are just as worthless as JeffJ's infinite horizon unfunded liability projections.

#181 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 02:21 AM | Reply

"However, the number of opioid overdose deaths is about 0.01% of total."

But that's not the number driving the change; it's the age of death.

"I'm thinking we're hitting the limits of life extension that's affordable for your average person."

And we've had that same conclusion now, for how many decades? Yet we've been wrong every time.

#182 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 02:28 AM | Reply

"Which means SS projections are just as worthless as JeffJ's infinite horizon unfunded liability projections."

Nonsense. It's an equilibrium equation. Balance is never very far off, nor is it unreachable. SS was in the black for years and slated to go into the red at the end of Dubya's second term. Raising rates one point on both sides puts SS in balance into "perpetuity", (75 years to an actuary), and gets the country through the boomers retirement.

#183 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 02:37 AM | Reply

And we've had that same conclusion now, for how many decades? Yet we've been wrong every time.

Mortality is pretty much down to cancer, accidents and heart disease. The last of which we've made major strides recently to reducing.

www.vox.com

Don't focus on the highlighted part of the first graph but the trend towards a plateau. That's what I'm referring to.

That line, IMO, will flatten until we make major in roads into cancer treatment.

#184 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 02:40 AM | Reply

#183 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Good to know.

My only question would be the remark about it being an equilibrium equation, as those require constants to be accurate.

Considering it's all funded by FICA taxes a GOP-induced economic crash could throw that equilibrium into disequilibrium pretty quick.

#185 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 02:44 AM | Reply

Eliminate the caps on income subject to SS taxes and you have SS in the black for 75 years. Simple but honest solutions provided by people who don't listen to Fox News because you can't provide solutions if you only listen to propaganda.
You're welcome.

#186 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-25 03:13 AM | Reply

If the GOP scum succeeded in cutting SS, the economy would take a nose dive. Every dollar of SS income flows into the economy unlike every dollar cut from income taxes for the rich. Every dollar you remove from consumer spending hurts the economy, doesn't matter if it is wages, SS, whatever. Spendable income is what powers our economy, take away from it then you hurt the economy and probably, if you're rich, your own investments. Right now housing prices are beginning to slow down, shades of 2007? You don't need to be a psychic to see what is coming. Only good thing about it...it is going to happen on Trump's watch. Let that piece of crap be seen for the economic Charlatan that he is.

#187 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-25 03:19 AM | Reply

and gets the country through the boomers retirement.

#183 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

That is the key. If we can figure out how to do that then these programs will be just fine.

#188 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-25 09:12 AM | Reply

"But, feel free to continue with your fantasy narrative"

speaking of fantasy, remember this gem?

From a policy standpoint he's been a shocking surprise. In a very good way.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-08 01:14 AM | Reply | Flag

#189 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-10-25 10:08 AM | Reply

It's socialism, Laura. That is reality.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-25 10:46 AM | Reply

North Korea's problem: Socialism.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-25 10:46 AM | Reply

No it's not you dummkopf.

finance.yahoo.com

Here's why you can't blame socialism for Venezuela's crisis

MY WORDS FOLLOW

North Korea isn't socialism either. I don't know where you get your stupid ideas from Jeff but they aren't reality.

#190 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-25 11:02 AM | Reply

--North Korea isn't socialism either.

Haha. The "no true socialist" fallacy trotted out every time socialism crashes and burns.

There's no better demonstration of the inferiority of socialism than the comparison between wealthy South Korea and destitute North Korea. Same people, same language, same history and culture for centuries. Only difference: socialism vs. capitalism.

#191 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-25 11:08 AM | Reply

"that's not the number driving the change; it's the age of death."

What I mean by this is: look at the average age of the person dying from opioid overdose. When the normal uptick happens, like say after a bad season of flu, that makes folks dye maybe 6 to 12 months before they would. Compare that with dying 20 or 30 years before the average person of your gender passes. A few deaths can skew the average longevity number.

#192 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 11:08 AM | Reply

Dye = die

#193 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 11:09 AM | Reply

"Only difference: socialism vs. capitalism."

Only difference?

Only?

Try less Scotch before sunrise. You might start making sense.

#194 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 11:11 AM | Reply

No, he's right, Danforth.

That is pretty much the only difference between the 2.

#195 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-25 11:13 AM | Reply

--Try less Scotch before sunrise. You might start making sense.

Must be confusing me with JPW.

#196 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-25 11:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Laura,

N Korea is has a socialist government and it's one of the poorest countries on this planet.

#197 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-25 11:14 AM | Reply

Compare NK-style socialism with the democratic socialism of Scandinavia. And any time i suggest the US take even a step toward the latter approach, I am told it simply "cannot be done here" despite us having the largest economy in the history of the earth.

#198 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-25 11:24 AM | Reply

--democratic socialism of Scandinavia.

Capitalist countries with large welfare states. Nothing more.

#199 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-25 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If a cylindrical package in a large yellow envelope with computer printed address and return address on the face of it is delivered to the Nullifidian address, IT was ME!

#200 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-10-25 11:27 AM | Reply

"That is pretty much the only difference "

The ignorance is obviously catching. Dictators, anyone?

#201 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 11:29 AM | Reply

SS problem solved. When you come of age to collect SS, you get the whole amount of the SS taxes you paid in as a lump sum.
Now, take your money and do with it as you will.

You get nothing more.

Those who die early will get what they paid in.
Those who don't die better know how to handle their money.

According to the numbers, people collect more than they paid in, and rely on others to cover the overpayment.
That's a ponzi.

Take what you paid in.

If you expected interest on your investment, then end SS and let people save and invest it themselves.

#202 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-10-25 11:33 AM | Reply

#197
Not even on the list of poorest 10

#1 The Central African Republic

and NK officially ceased being a "socialist" country in 1992

it's now a one-party hereditary dictatorship

#203 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-10-25 11:34 AM | Reply

--it's now a one-party hereditary dictatorship

So? It's still a Marxist state with a socialist economy.

#204 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-25 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The ignorance is obviously catching. Dictators, anyone?

#201 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Nulli beat me to it with #204.

#205 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-25 11:43 AM | Reply

North Korea socialism vs. South Korean capitalism in one picture.

www.cbsnews.com

#206 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-25 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#206 - That is a great picture.

#207 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-25 11:51 AM | Reply

"FYI - My FF for #132 wasn't sarcastic"

Neither was my comment.

You just don't care about the financial well being of Americans.

You couldn't care less about how much poverty people are in.

#208 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-25 11:53 AM | Reply

Capitalist countries with large welfare states.

...most if not all of which have better education, better health outcomes, lower dollars spent per capita on healthcare, happier people, healthier people...

Wow what a disaster that would be for us

#209 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-25 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

209

are you suggesting Nulli is staunchly against a single payer system here?

#210 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-25 11:58 AM | Reply

"Why should people of my generation be expected to retired 5 years later just to make sure earlier people get their benefits."

Because people of your generation live five years longer than earlier people?

Since you brought it up, why should the retirement age be the same for blacks, who live a few years less than whites?

#211 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-25 11:59 AM | Reply

"are you suggesting Nulli is staunchly against a single payer system here?"

It depends if he calls it socialism or welfare.

#212 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-25 12:02 PM | Reply

210 No

#213 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-25 12:07 PM | Reply

There's no better demonstration of the inferiority of socialism than the comparison between wealthy South Korea and destitute North Korea. Same people, same language, same history and culture for centuries. Only difference: socialism vs. capitalism.

#191 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

North Korea says its a democratic republic. Are you saying democratic republics make countries into North Korea style ---------? I guess it does mirror your ideals of how the US should be.

#214 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-25 12:27 PM | Reply

--North Korea says its a democratic republic.

And antifa says it's anti-fascist.

If you believe either assertion, you just might be a moron

#215 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-25 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Close all military bases around the world. Bring our troops home and they can spend all their income here instead of abroad.

Watch those countries overseas pay for their own defense.

#216 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-10-25 12:42 PM | Reply

Well, when will Obama come out and say he now isn't taking credit for the economy?

#217 | Posted by humtake at 2018-10-25 12:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The problem is that you conflate my pleasure in seeing the Democratic party implode with supporting Trump.

The party can't be remodeled and redecorated. It's has to be gutted after the collapse. scraped from its foundation.

And it can't come soon enough for me. I'll be cheering each floor that pancakes upon the one below it.

#141 | Posted by SheepleSchism

No your support of trump comes from the fact that you repeat every talking point he makes. You now argue for separating migrant children from their families. That's not about watching dems implode, it's about defending trump's policies.

Letting dems implode and repubs win means people will die because they lose their insurance, it means people will suffer because of increasing climate destruction and corporate deregulation. You're happy to make other innocent people suffer because you think it'll eventually make people all agree with you.

You know who else takes that tactic - that the death and suffering of innocents is worth it if it advances my political goals? - TERRORISTS.

#218 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-25 01:32 PM | Reply

What have these 62% done to improve their finances, other than just wanting to be handed more.

#219 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-10-25 01:37 PM | Reply

Must be confusing me with JPW.

#196 | Posted by nullifidian

Indeed. We all know you prefer to wake and bake.

#220 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 02:02 PM | Reply

What have these 62% done to improve their finances, other than just wanting to be handed more.

#219 | Posted by MSgt

It's so perverse that your assumption is that if someone isn't doing better under trump it's because they're lazy.

I guess all those soybean farmers who are being screwed by his trade war are just lazy.

#221 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-25 02:02 PM | Reply

What have these 62% done to improve their finances, other than just wanting to be handed more.

#219 | Posted by MSgt

Pick up more hours or an extra job.

That's the only way middle class wages increase these days.

But you don't want a real answer. You're just looking to dump on people you think are inferior to yourself.

#222 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 02:06 PM | Reply

"The problem is that you conflate my pleasure in seeing the Democratic party implode with supporting Trump.
The party can't be remodeled and redecorated. It's has to be gutted after the collapse. scraped from its foundation.
And it can't come soon enough for me. I'll be cheering each floor that pancakes upon the one below it."

The Democratic party isn't just a bunch of politicians in Washington DC. It's millions of people throughout the country, but Sheeple doesn't care how many of them get crushed and hurt as long as gets his kicks and can cheer watching "the Democratic party implode." Like this is all some kind of Coliseum-type sports event. #Sick.

#223 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-10-25 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#221 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-10-25 02:02 PM | FLAG: Never said anything about lazy, BUT, did they try to achieve higher credentials? [I took evening college courses for years to achieve a degree which I later finished after retirement from the AF.] Did they take on another part-time job [have done that too], or just looked for other employment which paid better. Too many people chose to stay where they are and that does not mean lazy, just complacency.

#224 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-10-25 02:39 PM | Reply

Never said anything about lazy, BUT, did they try to achieve higher credentials? [I took evening college courses for years to achieve a degree which I later finished after retirement from the AF.] Did they take on another part-time job [have done that too], or just looked for other employment which paid better. Too many people chose to stay where they are and that does not mean lazy, just complacency.

#224 | Posted by MSgt

If all the soybean farmers quit farming soybeans to go back to school and learn computer programming, what happens to our farm economy?

#225 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-25 02:45 PM | Reply

Well, when will Obama come out and say he now isn't taking credit for the economy?

#217 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Let me break down for such a simple mind as you:

It's Obama's economy until such time as Trump gets major economic policy passed.

Trump did that with tax cuts and tariffs.

Do you need me to draw it in crayon for you?

#226 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-25 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"My sister passed away last week. She had just turned 65." - #144 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-24 10:29 PM

The sadness and pain surrounding the death of a parent, brother or sister, can bring with it an unexpected gift, and help families to become closer. It can help bring shared memories to light, and be a reminder of love that was shared in the past. - Lorna Byrne
Condolences to you and your family, Eberly.

#227 | Posted by Hans at 2018-10-25 04:06 PM | Reply

"That's a ponzi."

No, it's not.

Ponzi schemes are never transparent and always opaque, and they never have an equilibrium equation. This is completely transparent, with a public formula, and it has an equilibrium equation (for example, adding one point to both the employer's and the worker's withholdings would put Social Security in balance into perpetuity). If you believe that's a Ponzi scheme, you don't know the definition of a Ponzi scheme.

#228 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-25 04:17 PM | Reply

"Too many people chose to stay where they are and that does not mean lazy, just complacency.
#224 | Posted by MSgt"

--------.

You don't really feel that way about blacks who stay on the Democrat Plantation.

They stay because they're lazy. Fat, dumb, and happy.

And your precious taxes pay for it all.

That's what you believe.

#229 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-25 04:40 PM | Reply

"Just because Romney selected his type of medical plan for his state doesnt mean it applies to the entire country"

Right. Because the one he wanted to select for the country said those without insurance should use the emergency room...

LMAO

#230 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-10-25 04:42 PM | Reply

227

Thanks, Hans!!!

#231 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-25 06:33 PM | Reply

#229 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-10-25 04:40 PM | FLAG: Just how did you take my post and turn it into a 'black issue', child? If you were aware that they are only about 13% of our population you would have realized that 62% encompasses many more that one race. Hum, I must wonder how you turn a thread about finance into something racist -- what a mindset you have.

#232 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-10-25 07:23 PM | Reply

"Just how did you take my post and turn it into a 'black issue'"

By remembering stuff you said about blacks on the Democrat plantation, and how it contradicts what you just said:
It wasn't that they are "complacent."

"If you were aware that they are only about 13% of our population you would have realized that 62% encompasses many more that one race."

I'm sooo sure, MSgt!

When you're talking about lazy whites, and make no mention of the Democrat plantation, they're "complacent." And that's okay.

When you're talking about lazy blacks on the Democrat plantation, they're mooching off your tax dollars. That's bad. Bad!

#233 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-25 07:37 PM | Reply

#2

Trickle down only works for the .01%, Reagan proved that.

It's a 2 story out house, and you can guess where the .01% goes.

For those that can't figure it out, the 99.9% goes on the lower floor

#234 | Posted by bat4255 at 2018-10-25 09:36 PM | Reply

Where do you people live? There are a million vacant jobs both white and blue collar everywhere I go. You can't even find people to do trade work or military because they have so many options. Everyone is getting more tax money back and you complain that it's not as much as your neighbor? I grew up in a trailer park and now make a good wage of 120,000. Quit complaining about not getting enough. I do not want to pay more taxes for lazy people to sit around and smoke and eat Cheetos.

#235 | Posted by Dasjoker at 2018-10-25 10:50 PM | Reply

Another first ever post! Welcome!

#236 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-10-25 11:00 PM | Reply

45% of Americans don't know who the Vice President is. 30% are hooked on alcohol or drugs, 80% of stats are made up and who is bankrate? That's like saying 62% of my child's fourth grade class loves chocolate milk.

#237 | Posted by Dasjoker at 2018-10-25 11:01 PM | Reply

--Welcome!

Indeed. The retort could use some new blood.

#238 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-25 11:03 PM | Reply

82.45% of DR posters think you're an idiot.

#239 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-10-25 11:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I do not want to pay more taxes for lazy people to sit around and smoke and eat Cheetos.

#235 | Posted by Dasjoker

What does welfare have to do with anything?

People are working their ass off just to keep their heads above water, which gets harder and harder to do with prices going up on most goods, gasoline ect. What little benefits they saw from the "tax reform" have evaporated in Trump's trade war.

#240 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-25 11:24 PM | Reply

There is only about 23 posters on here and that means about 19 people think I'm retarded so I can handle that. I listen to NPR everyday on the way to and from work and just can't see much of the arguments making sense. I do not think Trump is classy or super intelligent but he does have the ability to make the Democrat side or liberal side look very soft and weak.

#241 | Posted by Dasjoker at 2018-10-25 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

jPW my entire family has been mostly blue collar from Michigan and I have worked all kinds of jobs in farming and skilled unskilled labor. People who work hard usually do better but some get the shaft. I can only look at the 300 or so people I know and most of them are doing significantly better with their standard of living in the last three years. I don't think it is from democratic policies.

#242 | Posted by Dasjoker at 2018-10-25 11:37 PM | Reply

he does have the ability to make the Democrat side or liberal side look very soft and weak.
#241 | POSTED BY DASJOKER

Well then, by DR standards, you're a a nazi coddler and Putin puppet.

Prepare to meet crazy Danni: grandmother, faith-based Democrat cult high-priestess, and native Floridian.

The mosquitoes have actually pierced her skull. May God help you.

#243 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-25 11:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#242 | POSTED BY DASJOKER

Welcome yet another RW noob....

#244 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-10-26 12:09 AM | Reply

--Welcome yet another RW noob....

Really hates ideologicsl diversity.

#245 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-26 12:24 AM | Reply

Whatever that means. :-)

#246 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-10-26 12:28 AM | Reply

Redial welcomes our newest Rightwing wack job to the DR and Nazifidian gets triggered.

Nazifidian, you've come unhinged. You're acting hysterical.

What's wrong? Did you see a Mexican?

#247 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-26 01:00 AM | Reply

"Indeed. The retort could use some new blood."
#238 | Posted by nullifidian

Bloodletting is more like it. DASJOKER is horribly outnumbered and milquetoast guys don't last long around here. He'll need the hide and horns of a rhinoceros to survive. Otherwise he's just new red meat. yum, yum

However, in the spirit of Trump's new (and smaller) cod piece, we could at least pretend to be nice.

Optimistically, that should be good for about 24 hours. (maybe)

#248 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-10-26 06:18 AM | Reply

An economic thread with 250 posts and I have yet to say anything -- who'd of thunk?

Who Stole The American Dream?
www.youtube.com

Also, once of the main reasons why the health and life expectancy of America's is in decline are socioeconomic.

'Population Health' is an up and coming field for physicians and healthcare managers -- instead of ONLY trying to raise the quality of individual tests and treatments on individual patients, the healthcare industry is tackling big picture problems to head off the cascading health problems that we all pay for when people start clogging America's ERs.

And the big picture problems in healthcare are the 'social determinants of health'...

www.beckershospitalreview.com

1. The study determined five physical conditions -- high cholesterol, coronary artery disease, hypertension, chronic obtrusive pulmonary disease and diabetes -- have a strong relationship with socioeconomic and behavioral factors.

2. There was no correlation between depression and hyperactivity in relation to socioeconomic and behavioral factors.

3. There was a moderate correlation between breast cancer, lung cancer and substance use disorder in relation to socioeconomic and behavioral factors.

4. The report noted better health is often associated with a strong economy, higher pay and less densely populated areas.

5. The report found poorer counties fostered poorer health and individuals experienced more burden from their health conditions.

6. Although worse health outcomes are associated with more populous urban areas, individuals in those places reported lower levels of depression and substance abuse disorders. However, the report's findings suggest people in those areas are less likely to be diagnosed and receive treatment for mental illness.

7. Education had a mixed effect on people's overall health. Those with a college degree had improved scores in diabetes but worsened scores in hyperactivity.


The above is just a snapshot -- but it's being figured out being educated, having meaningful and dignified employment, and a few extra bucks to buy REAL food ... all go a long way towards improving the health of the population, which in the long term reduces healthcare costs.

#249 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-26 06:59 AM | Reply

I can't speak to the broader economy but people can afford me. I charge 150 bucks to fix a fireplace and I as of right now my first opening is Nov. 7.

Years ago I used to have to discount my rates constantly to find jobs. Now I refuse to and I still have more jobs than I can handle I'm actually looking for an apprentice.

If people didn't have money I wouldn't be so busy and I would be back to discounting jobs for the most part repairing the fireplace is a luxury not a necessity.

#250 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-10-26 07:19 AM | Reply

I listen to NPR everyday on the way to and from work and just can't see much of the arguments making sense.

The fact that you think NPR is "making arguments" tells me everything i need to know about you.

#251 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-26 07:50 AM | Reply

--The fact that you think NPR is "making arguments" tells me everything i need to know about you.

NPR is slanted to the left. That's why a majority of its regular listeners are latte liberals.

#252 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-26 09:52 AM | Reply

'social determinants of health'

This is very big.
Here is Donald Berwick explaining the concepts:
youtube.com

#253 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-26 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can only look at the 300 or so people I know and most of them are doing significantly better with their standard of living in the last three years. I don't think it is from democratic policies.

#242 | POSTED BY DASJOKER AT 2018-10-25 11:37 PM | FLAG:

Lol. "The lady three years "

Someone check sniper and boaz's isp address...

#254 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-10-26 08:41 PM | Reply

NPR is slanted to the left. That's why a majority of its regular listeners are latte liberals.

#252 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-10-26 09:52 AM | FLAG:

NPR is slanted toward facts. The majority of listeners are truck drivers.

#255 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-10-26 08:43 PM | Reply

This is very big.
Here is Donald Berwick explaining the concepts:
youtube.com

#253 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Totally agree ... Dr. Don Berwick's lectures on youtube are a goldmine of knowledge and information.

#256 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-26 09:04 PM | Reply

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