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Monday, October 22, 2018

Linas: Last month, National Public Radio's current ombudsman/public editor, Elizabeth Jensen, explained why the news organization does not confer "Doctor" on PhDs; it reserves the title for "individuals who hold a doctor of dental surgery, medicine, optometry, osteopathic medicine, podiatric medicine or veterinary medicine." This news organization's reason for the distinction is "that for most listeners, a 'Dr.' practices medicine." As it turns out, this practice is followed by many journalistic outlets, including Scientific American, because it is the standard laid out by The Associated Press Stylebook. The New York Times is one of few news outlets that does not abide by this guidance.

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I found the response to this to be quite interesting. The author of the Opinion piece here is pointing out the discrepancy in calling people by their professional designation. Some people are really against it.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-10-22 04:42 PM | Reply

The PhD priesthood are elitist snobs who want everyone to genuflect before them.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-22 04:54 PM | Reply

Jealous flag.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-22 04:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

#2

Why, yes, you do.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-22 04:59 PM | Reply

Doctor's practice medicine of some sort and ease pain and suffering. PHD's promote an agenda. Both may be worthy aspirations. But they are seldom equal in accomplishments. There really should be a different term for PHD's. Something that says "I stayed in school for over a decade so I can say I'm smarter than you".

#5 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-10-22 05:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

PhDs Are Doctors too

FUNNY

#6 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-10-22 05:33 PM | Reply

Interesting. I see points made on both sides of the argument. I want to say it is similar to someone getting a CPA, CFA, or JD, where it becomes a "(comma) , [terminal professional certification/education attainment] but the work required for a PhD is also yuge enough where they've earned their Dr. status, layperson view of the educational attainment notwithstanding.

#7 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-10-22 05:33 PM | Reply

"Doctor's practice medicine of some sort and ease pain and suffering. PHD's promote an agenda."

How is it you work in a hospital and you don't know public health, including practicing medicine and easing pain, is an agenda?

You're playing dumb so you can virtue signal, is the most sensible explanation.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-22 05:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Everyone knows titles don't mean ----. Otherwise why would they refer to Bart O'Kegerator as "honorable"?

#9 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-22 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lawyers are Doctors (Juris Doctor=JD) as well, but outside of Germany and Austria no one is ever going to call us that, nor would we ever expect it.

If a PhD has a scientific basis I will call them Dr., but outside of Psychologists, anyone with a Fudd from a social science who is clamoring to be called by that honorific is an insecure nutbag.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-22 05:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Dr. Pepper actually performed brain surgery, and Colonel Sanders saved Teddy's butt at San Juan Hill.

#11 | Posted by Spork at 2018-10-22 05:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

PhDs think their opinions carry more weight on everything from their specialty to yogurt brands.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-22 05:51 PM | Reply

PhDs think their opinions carry more weight on everything
-Nulli

You must be a PhD.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-22 05:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Otherwise why would they refer to Bart O'Kegerator as "honorable"?

Yeah I noticed that too.

Nullifidian actually called him "right honorable."

I guess that's the good kind of title.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-22 05:59 PM | Reply

I was recently in a manufacturers class covering their new fiber test equipment, and the rep that led the class handed out his card and it had Dr. so-and-so PhD. on it. What a whanker. This guy had a PhD in telecommunications engineering or something, and felt the need to broadcast it.

So over the 2 day class he kept minimizing the powerpoint to show his laptop wallpaper, which was a photo of him in a flack jacket surrounded by commando-looking dudes holding tech-9s and uzi type machine guns. everybody in the photo was wearing blade sunglasses and all strapped with weapons. So after a day and a half of class, nobody asked him about the photo, so the ----- say, "I bet you're wondering where this photo was taken." and nobody said anything, so he goes on, "This is the central office in Baghdad. I designed it."

LOL. Dr Little----- PhD-Telcom. flashing his badge and polishing his punchdown tool.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-22 06:01 PM | Reply

"PhDs think their opinions carry more weight on everything from their specialty to yogurt brands."

I'm often in rooms full of Ph.Ds, M.Ds, and some with both.

We don't talk about yogurt anymore. It's just too contentious. "Fruit on the bottom" nearly drove the younger Ph.Ds to suicide.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-22 06:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--anyone with a Fudd from a social science who is clamoring to be called by that honorific is an insecure nutbag.

A social "scientist" is someone who writes opinion pieces while wearing a white laboratory jacket.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-22 06:04 PM | Reply

Do "economist" next!
Do "economist" next!

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-22 06:06 PM | Reply

Would you all prefer Dr. Newt Gringrich, or Newt Gringrich, PhD?

#19 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-10-22 06:10 PM | Reply

How is it you work in a hospital and you don't know public health, including practicing medicine and easing pain, is an agenda?

You're playing dumb so you can virtue signal, is the most sensible explanation.

#8 | Posted by snoofy

I agree that OPH is used to promote and agenda. But for our argument, you are you are conflating a job with a profession. Public Health is nothing more than a tool for whomever occupies the Governor's mansion. In this Region, the OPH Medical Director, administrator and staff spend every hour of every day trying to justify what they won't do and why...
...we don't need to give flu shots this year because it will cost too much overtime because it's on a Saturday
...we shouldn't have to man special need shelters during hurricane season because we are not "real nurses" (my personal favorite)
...and there are many more

As for virtue signaling, I haven't even figured out what that really is. I was just putting my 2 cents worth in on an open blog, thread, whatever you call this thing.

#20 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-10-22 06:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Newt earned his Pimpin' ---- Degree when he ditched his terminally ill old ride when she was on her cancer deathbed and traded it in for one with low miles.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-22 06:16 PM | Reply

"As for virtue signaling, I haven't even figured out what that really is."

Naturally, you're a Know-Nothing too.

That's a solid virtue signal to the Know-Nothings aka Deplorables who support Trump.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-22 06:20 PM | Reply

It's not the PhD you know but who you know in the PhD Club. The PhD Club is a crown jewel to the Accreditation Club that validates members into the resume' of distinction. Class struggle ensues concerning graduates of Google-Wikipedia-Maker University who have turned away from the Student Loan Club.

It's this unspoken law of the jungle that is as confusing as riptide movements. You can see the beach perfectly but the harder you work outside the club, the harder it can get.
The secret I've found is to get all in or all out. I'm an outsider.

If it weren't for the fact that I grew up a few blocks from the SIUC Campus and had been used to addressing professors as Doctor, I'd join the Gripe Club.
And this is where the phrase "The way things are" begins to look like a challenge instead of conclusion. Upon description, that phrase begins its setting sun life.

#23 | Posted by ajwood at 2018-10-22 06:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

But they are seldom equal in accomplishments

Correct. MDs are glorified mechanics. In current medicine even less than that as PAs are doing a lot of the actual work with patients.

PhDs actually master a field and contribute to it (usually...). When it comes to medicine you have PhDs to thank for those pills that do everything from keep your heart pumping to keep your dick hard.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-22 06:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#24 | POSTED BY JPW

I always took it as the difference between a philosopher (PhD) and a mechanic (MD).

Both equally important but for very different reasons.

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-22 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--anyone with a Fudd from a social science who is clamoring to be called by that honorific is an insecure nutbag.
A social "scientist" is someone who writes opinion pieces while wearing a white laboratory jacket.
#17 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

That's entirely false and you know it.

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-22 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 I agree.

I actually make this distinction myself when people ask me what I do.

They say "you're a doctor" and I correct to "I'm a PhD" because I know that 90% of the time if you say "I'm a doctor" they'll start asking about some ailment of theirs and if they should worry.

In most people's minds doctor = medicine.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-22 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When it comes to medicine you have PhDs to thank for those pills that do everything from keep your heart pumping to keep your dick hard.
#24 | POSTED BY JPW

as well as the side effects. thanks.

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-22 07:01 PM | Reply

--That's entirely false and you know it.

You should acquire a sense of humor. Besides, I have a degree in political science and am well-qualified to poke fun at the pretentiousness of political scientists.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-22 07:02 PM | Reply

I actually make this distinction myself when people ask me what I do.

Dr. Drunk?

#30 | Posted by Spork at 2018-10-22 07:13 PM | Reply

You should acquire a sense of humor. Besides, I have a degree in political science and am well-qualified to poke fun at the pretentiousness of political scientists.
#29 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

So I was right!!

Yet, fair enough. You got me on that one.

I have an degree in sociology and a graduate degree in criminology. The pretentiousness is equitable across the social sciences, it seems.

#31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-22 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good one spork.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-22 07:14 PM | Reply

Dr. Beach, C.S.I.

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-22 07:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Dr. Beach, C.S.I.
#33 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Funny!

Just don't bother watching those CSI shows, terrible depiction of criminal investigations.

The Wire, however, is the closest you'll get to a legitimate depiction. The first season was assigned to my crim theory graduate class. Oh BOY the discussions we had over that show!

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-22 07:18 PM | Reply

Was it kind of sad studying criminal justice, peeling the layers back to reveal just how racist and classist the criminal justice system is designed to be?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-22 07:25 PM | Reply

Was it kind of sad studying criminal justice, peeling the layers back to reveal just how racist and classist the criminal justice system is designed to be?
#35 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It was heartbreaking and extremely eye-opening. We were taught extensively to be skeptical of scholarly research pointing to drastic claims, but in doing so, we also learned how convincing the existing evidence is pointing to institutional racism. I'm not the smartest guy on the block, but I was way ahead of everyone in my graduate class and I had severe difficulty finding limitations (beyond the ---------------- ones) within the majority of studies presented to us that indicate the existence of institutional racism and its significance.

What's even more heartbreaking is the time and effort it takes to convince others, not exposed to said evidence, that institutional racism is real and significant. Many here on the DR still struggle with the notion, regardless of its legitimacy.

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-22 07:32 PM | Reply

"Many here on the DR still struggle with the notion, regardless of its legitimacy."

It's really just the Never Trumpers and the Trump Guzzlers, also known as the Deplorables, who refuse to acknowledge it.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-22 08:34 PM | Reply

"The PhD priesthood are elitist snobs who want everyone to genuflect before them."

"Doctor's practice medicine of some sort and ease pain and suffering. PHD's promote an agenda. Both may be worthy aspirations. But they are seldom equal in accomplishments."

Do you guys actually know anyone with a PhD? What did they get it in?

#38 | Posted by dibblda at 2018-10-22 08:49 PM | Reply

Do you guys actually know anyone with a PhD? What did they get it in?

#38 | POSTED BY DIBBLDA

The last two physical therapists where I work had PhDs.

#39 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-22 09:03 PM | Reply

"The last two physical therapists where I work had PhDs."

Were they elitist snobs? It seems like nulli's girlfriend was stolen by a PhD. So much anger, no obvious reasons.

#40 | Posted by dibblda at 2018-10-22 09:17 PM | Reply

We all know Nulli's story...

m.youtube.com

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-22 09:22 PM | Reply

The doctorate degree comes from the Latin word for teaching. The doctorate degree represents the highest level of academic recognition for one who has not only studied rigorously within a field but gone beyond studing the works of others to expand the field itself and contribute new material to the field for others to study in their footsteps.

Medical/dental doctors are kinda the ones misusing the term. The medical degree absent research and teaching is a lot more akin to a masters degree in other fields. Meaning you have sufficiently demonstrated mastery of the field of study to the point where you are now credible as a practicing professional in that field.

Early physicians were clearly doctors in the Latin academic sense as they were creating the entire field and practice of medicine through research and experimentation (on human subjects.) but today's medical doctor is not really following in that same tradition without fellowship and subspecializarion into an academic/research oriented field.

#42 | Posted by leadbelly at 2018-10-22 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

^I am not a PHD and actually Mrs Leadbelly is a Physician and would amputate my nuts for what I just posted, so I have no vested interest in puffing up PHDs or denigrating physicians. I'm just "well actually-Ing" at my own peril.

#43 | Posted by leadbelly at 2018-10-22 10:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

LeadBelly captured my thoughts in post #42. Well done, as always.

#44 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-10-23 09:08 AM | Reply

Bogey's comment #5 is incredibly stupid. Getting a PhD in Chemical Engineering is hardly the sign of someone "pushing an agenda".

Only in modern America are MDs considered the only people deemed to be "Doctors". Throughout the vast majority the world anyone with a postgraduate degree (including lawyers) are referred by the title of doctor. I know. Everytime I go to South America I am constantly referred to as "doctor abogado".

#45 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-10-23 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have a PhD in archaeology; that's why I'm qualified to state that republicans are ---- habilis.

#46 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-23 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#46 do you really?

#47 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-10-23 03:16 PM | Reply

The title I hate is Esquire. It seems to only come from lawyers. ROC, Joe, Moder8 - please tell me you don't use this, and why do some use it?

#48 | Posted by JimDuncan at 2018-10-23 07:06 PM | Reply

#42 | Posted by leadbelly

Dopes like bogey.003 need to read this again.

#49 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-10-24 08:00 AM | Reply

"republicans are ---- habilis"
That's hilariously sad!
Had to have been "---- habilis" and it got censored?!!?

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-24 08:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#47 Check my wiki

#51 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-24 12:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You bastard.

#52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-10-24 01:35 PM | Reply

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