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Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 05:48 PM | Reply

A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship.

She could more easily prove she had six inches of Cherokee in her at some time.

#2 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2018-10-15 06:00 PM | Reply

She could more easily prove she had six inches of Cherokee in her at some time.

That explains the high cheekbones!

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 06:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

So Indian DNA was injected into her at some point?

#4 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-10-15 06:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4

So that's what Tor meant by "replacement DNA."

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 06:25 PM | Reply

"She could more easily prove she had six inches of Cherokee in her at some time."

Who ----- Goatman a secod time though?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 06:35 PM | Reply

He never called you the next day? Not even flowers?

#7 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-10-15 07:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Back on topic, I guarantee you this will be on future campaign attack ads:

"Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 07:37 PM | Reply

Sure, tribal intersts are a hit with conservatives, it's why they won't let them vote in North Dakota.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#9

Deflection noted.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 10:51 PM | Reply

it's why they won't let them vote in North Dakota.

You do realize that there is no voter registration requirement in ND, which is why they require an ID with a street address...right?

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 10:54 PM | Reply

"You do realize that there is no voter registration requirement in ND, which is why they require an ID with a street address...right?"

Is this your newfound tribalism speaking?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 11:38 PM | Reply

You were losing this argument less egregiously when you dismissed it as a mere deflection.

But now that you're here...

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 11:59 PM | Reply

Tell me how I'm wrong Goofy, I'll wait.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 12:03 AM | Reply

I'll give you a headstart: 47 other states will not register a voter with a P.O. Box, you must have a street address...

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 12:08 AM | Reply

When did Warren claim to be a member of the Cherokee tribe?
She said she was told her ancestry included Cherokee and provided a DNA test to prove it.

Now the mushroomhead gobblers are frantically distracting from the fact that cheetoolini is a lying racist Putin shart pretending he didn't offer $1 million to charity.

How sad.

#16 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-16 12:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bored,

She has quadrupled down on it.

Personally, I don't care. She is hardly the first politician to exaggerate her background. I just think it's funny that her supporters are up-in-arms over her BS being called out.

At the end of the day she is a woman of accomplishment, certainly academically. This whole Indian heritage thing is theater on both sides.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-16 12:15 AM | Reply

"Tell me how I'm wrong"

Well, you support disenfranchising people. That's how you're wrong.

Consult your tribal elders if you require further guidance.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 12:16 AM | Reply

"her BS being called out."

LOL

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 12:17 AM | Reply

It sounds like the Cherokee Nation have serious reservations.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-10-16 12:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Well, you support disenfranchising people. That's how you're wrong.

Probably the absolutely worst strawman (out of thousands) you have ever created, and that is saying something.

Next time, just admit that you had nothing and then slink away from the thread.

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 11:41 AM | Reply

So you're saying no North Dakotans will be disenfranchised by this outcome.

Is that your final answer or would you like to phone a friend?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 01:05 PM | Reply

Who cares. If I'm not mistaken she never claimed tribal membership.

If anyone has legit info to the contrary I'm all ears.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-16 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So you're saying no North Dakotans will be disenfranchised by this outcome.- #22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 01:05 PM |

Yes. No ND's will be disenfranchised by the Cherokee nation's statement about Senator Warren undermining tribal interests.

#24 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-16 02:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#22

Doubling down on your strawmen, I see, without answering the simple question in 11, with an assist in 15.

Unless you have a substantive response, slink away.

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The substantive response we're waiting for is you to say whether or not anyone is going to lose their right to vote because of this decision.

What's your answer?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 03:36 PM | Reply

#26

Answering a question with a strawman or now another question shows how desperate you are to avoid the original question.

I'll wait.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 03:43 PM | Reply

"47 other states will not register a voter with a P.O. Box, you must have a street address..."

So if you know Indian Reservations typically don't have street addresses, are you being a suppressionist or not?

I'll give you a headstart: you are.

North Dakota will require residents to provide a street address when voting, including residents of the state's three American Indian reservations, where street addresses are rare.
www.votingintegrityinstitute.org

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-16 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#28

And as I pointed out to Snoofy, that link conveniently ignores the fact that North Dakota does not require its residents to pre-register to vote. In 47 other States that do pre-register, all require a physical street address on the application. As even your own link shows:

The Turtle Mountain reservation is located in Rolette County in north-central North Dakota. County emergency coordinator Mike Stewart said Monday that residential street addresses have been assigned in "99 percent" of the county -- including on the reservation -- in the past several years.

He agreed with state elections officials that obtaining a residential street address is a no-cost and quick process that may take no more than a few hours.

"It's very possible some homes have been overlooked," Stewart said.

One problem, he said, is that many people don't realize their homes have been assigned a street address, a process that has been ongoing over the past several years.

Stewart said many people still rely on post offices boxes to get their mail.

Sioux County Sheriff Frank Landeis said that also is the case in his county, which contains the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation, North Dakota's largest.

Landeis said residential street addresses have been assigned to every known dwelling in the county, which covers more than 1,100 square miles in south-central North Dakota.

"As far as I know, everybody has an address down here," he said. "If they don't, it's very simple to get one."

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 03:50 PM | Reply

I just think it's funny that her supporters are up-in-arms over her BS being called out.

Ummm did you read something different than I did?

Because it's the detractors who have made an issue of this with the egg on their face.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-16 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He agreed with state elections officials that obtaining a residential street address is a no-cost and quick process that may take no more than a few hours."

Did he agree it was an additional barrier to voting?

Is ANYONE going to pretend this isn't an additional barrier to voting?

Hey all the guys reading this: remember when YOU had to go obtain a residential street address for "no more than a few hours"? Me neither.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-16 03:55 PM | Reply

Did he agree it was an additional barrier to voting?

In the 47 States that require you to register to vote, that barrier exists and has for decades, even for the Reservations. Since ND doesn't pre-register its voters, why should ND be any different?

Hey all the guys reading this: remember when YOU had to go obtain a residential street address for "no more than a few hours"? Me neither.

Do you remember not having to put your street address down when you registered to vote in your State? Me neither.

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 04:03 PM | Reply

I get that this is all about #TEAM for you, start a new thread if you are that fired up about it, it is merely another "move the goalposts" strawman from Snoofy and I am done education you both on this topic.

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 04:04 PM | Reply

Before the autocorrect/spelling nazi's correct me:

education = educating

#34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 04:15 PM | Reply

#34 - that's a grammatical error, not a spelling or autocorrect error.

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-16 04:29 PM | Reply

#35

"Before the autocorrect/spelling/grammer nazi's correct me:"

FTF Me.

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 04:32 PM | Reply

--#34 - that's a grammatical error, not a spelling or autocorrect error.

Boy you really got him there, grammar nazi. Thread over.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-16 04:34 PM | Reply

:)

#38 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-16 04:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#38

All good, that's what I figured, which is why I FTFM.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 04:45 PM | Reply

Republicans: Pocahontas has no Native American ancestors.

Test: Sen. Warren has some Native American ancestors.

Republicans: She isn't a member of the Cherokee Nation!

Just keep moving those goal posts. I'm sure no one will notice.

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-16 06:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Answering a question with a strawman or now another question shows how desperate you are to avoid the original question."

The "original question" was do I realize North Dakota doesn't have voter registration.

That question doesn't matter. This isn't about me. Your question and my answer doesn't change whether or not North Dakotans will be disenfranchised by this new legal framework.

What matters is that the rules will certainly disenfranchise some people.

You're studiously avoiding acknowledging that North Dakotans will be disenfranchised, and that you support disenfranchining them.

I hope it's because you're ashamed of it, which is good, as it suggests you know disenfranchising people is wrong.

But for all I know you wholeheartedly support disenfranchising likely Democrat voters by any legal means available, which means you're happy to subvert democracy to put party over country. Which is bad.

I'm pretty sure it's the latter, but only you can really say! So what's the deal?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 06:41 PM | Reply

Warren did what Trump demanded, which if his word was worth anything, would make this event a $1 million payday for Warren' favorite charity.

There is a science in its infancy which is mapping the evolution of all plants and animals using DNA. For humans it is in its infancy, with more than 6 billion gene pairs per person. Science claims to be able to distinguish neanderthal from human. Other distinctions along animal and plant lines are easier when different numbers of chromosomes can be a distinguishing feature. Few things in a our body serve a single purpose which clouds gene characterization except when a specific gene is tied directly to a genetic disorder.

It is unclear how a commercial DNA businesses can reach any legitimate conclusions from the onset. A large reliable data set would be required. How is the data derived? Does science take the word of each participant? Are all bones local or a mix of locals and traveling salesman and marauding troops? Easier to determine on isolated islands. Some lady on NPR went to three different companies who presented her with three different results, although there was some agreement regarding her national heritages. These businesses are largely BS.

#42 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-16 06:52 PM | Reply

That question doesn't matter.

It absolutely matters in connection with your moved goalposts, since the fact that the only way, under longstanding ND law and Federal Law, to vote is to establish residence in the district you vote in. Without prior registration, the only way to do that is by showing ID with a street address, not a PO Box. There is no deliberate disenfranchisement here, only following State and Federal Law. If people in ND want to do away with the Voter ID law, they should require registering to vote.

Neither you or Dannie want to acknowledge this fact, which is not surprising since it eviscerates your narrative.

Enough of your idiocy, start a new thread if you want to talk further about this.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 06:53 PM | Reply

"your moved goalposts"

My goalposts haven't moved.

They're right where I put them, just waiting for you to split the uprights, as soon as your Lucy half decides to let your Charlie Brown half kick the football. Something everybody, including you, knows is never gonna happen

"Sure, tribal intersts are a hit with conservatives, it's why they won't let them vote in North Dakota.
#9 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 06:59 PM | Reply

See, RightOCenter, you haven't once denied this will disenfranchise people.

All you've done is suggest reasons why it's right to disenfranchise people.

Perhaps your implicit acknowledgement that some people will be disenfranchised -- properly, according to you -- is as close as you'll come to stating the obvious: this law is going to disenfranchise people.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There is no deliberate disenfranchisement here"

^
Moved goalposts from disenfranchisement to deliberate disenfranchisement.

(Also, unless you're suggesting the legislature was not at all aware of any disenfranchisement or the possibility of disenfranchisement that would come to pass by changing voter eligibility rules, then it's certainty deliberate. But we both know that!)

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 07:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And in a split second, millions of people ceased forever to endorse the Cherokee Nation.

#47 | Posted by AustinTX at 2018-10-16 07:26 PM | Reply

The Cherokees control a Casino pie. Their Casino rules are designed to restrict membership in the Cherokee Tribe.

#48 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-16 08:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a shame we Americans don't do the same with our American oil.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 09:27 PM | Reply

"Warren did what Trump demanded, which if his word was worth anything, would make this event a $1 million payday for Warren' favorite charity."

The whole world knows Trump's word isn't worth a bowl of spit.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-16 09:41 PM | Reply

This is more appropriate here:

Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians chief voices support for Elizabeth Warren after she sparked controversy for taking a DNA test to prove her Native American ancestry

"Senator Elizabeth Warren does not claim to be a citizen of any tribal nation, and she is not a citizen of the Eastern Band," he said. "Like many other Americans, she has a family story of Cherokee and Delaware ancestry and evidence of Native ancestry."

Sneed went on to say that Warren "has not used her family story or evidence of Native ancestry to gain employment or other advantage" and that "on the contrary, she demonstrates respect for tribal sovereignty."

www.businessinsider.com

#51 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-16 10:02 PM | Reply

#50 and #51 are correct.

#52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-10-16 10:04 PM | Reply

"your moved goalposts"
My goalposts haven't moved.
They're right where I put them, just waiting for you to split the uprights, as soon as your Lucy half decides to let your Charlie Brown half kick the football. Something everybody, including you, knows is never gonna happen
"Sure, tribal intersts are a hit with conservatives, it's why they won't let them vote in North Dakota.
#9 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"
#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Trump's the one that moved the goal posts.

Warren is the one that didn't notice, hence Trump's truth to point that the DNA test did not show that she is "an Indian."

However, she never made such a claim, so...

WELL! SO! #51 should shed some light on the matter that has yet to be discussed.

#53 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-16 10:07 PM | Reply

"Trump's the one that moved the goal posts."

And his deplorables move with him. It's like their 👄 are surgically attached to his 🍄.

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-16 10:13 PM | Reply

#54

I'm more interested in ROC's response to #51, but how does the percieved context in the chief's response sit with you?

#55 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-16 10:15 PM | Reply

Trumpleforeskin set the terms... a DNA test.

Warren took a DNA test ...--------------- lost.

The world saw it.

This goes on the shopping list of the most accomplished republicl°wn prez evaaaaaaahhhh!

Lost popular vote
Asked Mexican prez to lie about the wall.
Inauguration audience lie.
Medicare for all failure
Failure to repeal ACA
Failure to show tax returns
Hurricane Michael failure
Stormy Daniels
Sucking up to Neo Nazi's
Border separations
Publicly kissing Putins @$$
Undermining intelligence agencies.
Gushing over Kim Jong Un
Massive debt increase
Losing bet to E. Warren... in front of god and everybody.

#56 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-17 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump set the terms... a DNA test.- #56 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-17 11:57 AM
Trump: ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.'
www.politifact.com

#57 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-17 12:48 PM | Reply

"Without prior registration, the only way to do that is by showing ID with a street address"

And if you know it's an additional barrier, moreso for Native Americans, you're a suppressionist.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-17 01:26 PM | Reply

"There is no deliberate disenfranchisement here"

^
Think about what that means.

RightOCenter just said the government is acting properly to take our rights away, so long as it wasn't "deliberate." It can just be a little accident or oversight the government makes -- and has no obligation to correct, even after informed of their mistake. Oops! Tough break, likely Democrat voters.

It makes a mockery of your right to vote.

GOP values on full display.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-17 01:36 PM | Reply

didn't the report state it was tested against latin American Indians? maybe I misread, but anywho....if Grahams comes back with more native American dna, that will be hilarious...

#60 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2018-10-17 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

New World Natives are all of pretty much the same race.

To get a pure sample of their DNA researchers have to go to remote areas where they feel sure there's no chance of interracial heritage.

#61 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-17 01:46 PM | Reply

Good to see that Snoofy has gone full ------ over his moved goalposts that were "right were I put them."

Your pathetic attempts to assign a position to me is just that.

Go away and hijack another thread with your inanity.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-17 06:51 PM | Reply

#57 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Yup! Trump and his strawmen, moving the goal posts must be getting tiresome.

#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-17 07:04 PM | Reply

#62 OH NO! Snoofy twisted RoC's words by repeating them verbatim.

#64 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-17 07:18 PM | Reply

Answering a question with a strawman or now another question shows how desperate you are to avoid the original question.
I'll wait.

Rightofcenter, that's what Snoofy does.

That's why he claimed the boy who cried wolf story was cautionary tale about people letting a young boy be a sheep herder.

It's also why he argued the famous phrase "your right to swing your fist ends at my nose" was a call to violence.

Now, you might be wrong. Snoofy might not be avoiding answering your question. He could be genuinely stupid. I haven't ruled out that possibility yet, but I'm sure he'll something soon to resolve the question of his stupidity verses desperation.

#65 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-10-17 08:45 PM | Reply

"That's why he claimed the boy who cried wolf story was cautionary tale about people letting a young boy be a sheep herder."

It actually is that. You just choose not to look at the way the story is set up. Really, you think the only one who can learn a lesson in that story is the Boy?

"It's also why he argued the famous phrase "your right to swing your fist ends at my nose" was a call to violence."

Now that's just funny.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-17 09:13 PM | Reply

"Your pathetic attempts to assign a position to me is just that."

Your position is what's pathetic.

Your position is it's not only okay when the government takes away rights inadvertently or accidentally, but it deserves no redress.

Now go play in traffic.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-17 09:16 PM | Reply

No Snoofy, I am explaining to you how the law works, yet you are freaking out because, well, #Team.

I'm done with your infantile rants.

Goodbye.

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-17 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian."

Indians are from India.

We all know what Trump meant Comrade. The Senator never claimed she was an "Indian". She claimed Native American Heritage.

Never argue with idiots. The will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

#69 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-17 09:41 PM | Reply

"I am explaining to you how the law works"

Yeah. Your explanation is "There is no deliberate disenfranchisement here" and therefore the disenfranchisement is okay.

Which brings us back to you asking

"Tell me how I'm wrong"

And the way you're wrong is you support disenfranchisement, so long as it's not deliberate.

We've been over this.

And we can go over it again, but it seems like we should go over the difference between right and wrong.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-17 09:49 PM | Reply

And we can go over it again, but it seems like we should go over the difference between right and wrong.
#70 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This is the problem with lawyers. "Right" and "Wrong" are not legal concepts, just moral ones. The law doesn't (for good reasons) deal in morals.

#71 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-10-18 10:48 AM | Reply

"Now, you might be wrong. Snoofy might not be avoiding answering your question. "

JAMESGELLIOTT calling someone else stupid, now that is funny!

#72 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-18 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trumplethinskin lost the bet... and the big negotiator set the terms.

Suck it clowns.

#73 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-18 12:47 PM | Reply

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