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Sen. Elizabeth Warren has released the results of a DNA analysis showing she has distant Native American ancestry, in an apparent attempt to pre-empt further questions and attacks should she run for president in 2020.

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And oh yea, there's THIS:

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When Louis Côté became suspicious of a Toronto-based laboratory that tests people's DNA to determine their ancestry, he decided to try an experiment by submitting a sample from his girlfriend's dog for analysis.

According to the results, Côté shares more than a friendship with Snoopy the chihuahua; they share the exact same Indigenous ancestry.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-15 08:10 AM | Reply

According to my ancestry DNA results, I'm more black and middle eastern than Warren is Native American.

#2 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-10-15 08:42 AM | Reply

Why don't you ever post threads worth a damn Boaz???

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-15 08:50 AM | Reply

Results say somewhere between 1/64 and 1/1024 native. Good for her. It's rare people are not perpetuating racist mythology with these claims.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-10-15 08:55 AM | Reply

I can assume this means she running.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-15 08:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

According to my ancestry DNA results, I'm more black and middle eastern than Warren is Native American.

#2 | POSTED BY JAMESGELLIOTT AT 2018-10-15 08:42 AM | FLAG:

I'm as Moorish as she is Native thanks to their influence in Spain.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-10-15 08:56 AM | Reply

I claim Irish, Dutch and some Spannish ancestry. I only claim it because that is what I was told by my mother. I have not proof of any of it and I would guess most people posting here don't actually have solid proof of their ancestry either. I believe my sister has done the Ancestry.com DNA test but I haven't asked her for her results yet. Next time I talk to her I will though, it just never seems to come up in the conversation. Maybe because it just doesn't matter very much.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-15 09:07 AM | Reply

"I'm as Moorish as she is Native thanks to their influence in Spain."

Good point, I'll add that to my ancestry as well. I want to be as international as possible.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-15 09:08 AM | Reply

So what percentage does her DNA indicate?

Less than 1%?

#9 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-10-15 09:12 AM | Reply

Maybe because it just doesn't matter very much.

It only matters when you are looking to claim favoritism, victim hood or the ability to say something your outward race cannot.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-15 09:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So what percentage does her DNA indicate?
Less than 1%?

#9 | POSTED BY FRESNO500 AT 2018-10-15 09:12 AM | REPLY

Somewhere between 1.56% and 0.01%

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-10-15 09:21 AM | Reply

0.1%

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-10-15 09:21 AM | Reply

Good point, I'll add that to my ancestry as well. I want to be as international as possible.

#8 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-10-15 09:08 AM | FLAG:

Send in that DNA and check it out. I'm a West Euro mutt. French, Spanish, Brit, Irish, German, Italian. The Moor ancestry shows up as a tiny %, a relic of the Berber invasion across Gibraltar.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-10-15 09:27 AM | Reply

Warren wants to put this behind her. Good move. I'm sure everyone is tired of arguing it and she can't afford to have the GOP keep hitting her with it.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-15 09:34 AM | Reply

Trump denies that he ever said he'd donate $1 million to charity if she took a DNA test and it showed she had Native American ancestry.

The quote: "I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian"

#15 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-15 09:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

75% British Isles, 25% Scandinavian, but I identify as black.

#16 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-10-15 10:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now if we can just get Trump to show us his tax returns...

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-10-15 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#17 ...and Obama his college admissions paperwork...and Jimmy Carter the UFO evidence he promised...and W the yellow cake...and Hillary the bodies.

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-10-15 11:20 AM | Reply

Warren says Trump should pay up on $1 million offer

In a series of tweets, Warren told Trump to send a check to the National Indigenous Women's Resource Center, which supports Native American victims of sexual violence.

"NIWRC is a nonprofit working to protect Native women from violence," Warren said. "More than half of all Native women have experienced sexual violence, and the majority of violent crimes against Native Americans are perpetrated by non-Natives. Send them your $1M check."

By releasing the test, conducted by a top DNA researcher, Warren is reportedly hoping to defuse attacks from Trump and other critics who have claimed she is lying about her heritage.

thehill.com

Per the thread article, the test was performed by "Carlos Bustamante, a professor of genetics at Stanford and adviser to Ancestry and 23 and Me.".... nothing to do with the fake news article he posted in #1.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-15 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hey Trump, where's the million?

#20 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-15 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So Trump is again shown to be a racist mushroomhead that steals from charities.

#21 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-15 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

5% doesn't sound like much then you realize it makes her grandma almost a quarter native.

Making things more interesting due to replacement DNA it's possible Warren is even more Native American then the Test shows.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 12:29 PM | Reply

it's so funny that the FIRST thing posted was a rebuttal of an unrelated claim about DNA testing, that if your READ the full article, validates the accuracy and legitimacy of 23 and Me DNA testing. This is awesome - given the reason it was posted and how that conflicts with reality. In the article Boaz posted they were suspicious of Viaguard, the Canadian DNA testing company, so they sent samples (identical) to Viaguard and 23andMe (U.S. firm, reputable). The results?

"Five weeks later, Viaguard (the Canadian DNA firm) sent back results saying all three CBC employees had 20 per cent Native American DNA. The results were broken down further, linking them to specific First Nations communities. Viaguard determined that the DNA of each of the three individuals was 12 per cent Abanaki and eight per cent Mohawk -- the same breakdown Côté received.

23andMe, in comparison, found none of the CBC employees' DNA was of Native American origin. Rather, greater than 99.8 per cent of their DNA was reported as being linked to the regions where they were born."

23andMe nailed it.
The whole point of the story Boaz linked was that the Canadian firm was shady as hell.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-15 12:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Don't see how such puny results help her much. More likely to raise questions and keep the controversy alive.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-15 12:47 PM | Reply

5% doesn't sound like much then you realize it makes her grandma almost a quarter native.

Check your math, 1/64th is 0.015 or 1.5%.

My sister ran her DNA through both Ancestry.com and 23 and Me, got fairly similar results and both showed that she is between 1/32 and 1/128th Native American. Our Great Great Great Grandfather Wright lived in Hoytsville, Utah so geographically that fits with the Shoshone Tribe.

Does this mean I can run for Senator in Massachusetts?

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 12:48 PM | Reply

Wow that is funny yav.

Maybe Boaz is secretly a fan of Senator Warren.

In the Trump age I wouldn't blame him.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 12:53 PM | Reply

Don't see how such puny results help her much.

Those high cheekbones quadruple the percentages.

I don't buy the narrative that she lied to Harvard about being Native American to get her job but this certainly makes them look desperate by promoting her as being a Native American professor, given that the results stated that "|the vast majority of her DNA was of European origin."

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cherokee Nation principal chief Bill John Baker is 1/32 Cherokee by blood.

So there's that...

www.cnn.com

#28 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-15 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So much butthurt over an Okie believing her grandmother when it came to family history.

It's like they don't have anything better to attack....oh right they don't have anything better to attack Warren with.

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#29 - pretty pathetic, and even worse it works for his base.

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-15 01:10 PM | Reply

You'd think even a professional slim ball like Trump would have better things to do than hate on the smallest poorest racial group in America but he's managed to make it fashionable to hate Natives again.

#31 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 01:16 PM | Reply

a professional slim ball like Trump would have better things to do - #31 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 01:16 PM

238 isn't that slim, Tor. /s

#32 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-15 01:38 PM | Reply

Does this mean I can run for Senator in Massachusetts

Did she hold this out there as a credential when she ran?

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-15 01:46 PM | Reply

#33

I honestly don't know how heavily she has leaned on it, but since Scott Brown started hammering her on the Harvard and law school directory references to Native American heritage she has not only embraced it but has doubled down on it.

If you put the partisan blinders away Joe you would recognize that this is nothing but a distraction from the real issues, namely her voting record and policy proposals. The former is solidly liberal, the latter are about as thin as those of anyone else, left or right, at this point in time.

#34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 02:02 PM | Reply

Republicans made it an issue.

Warren didn't.

Warren proved she had Native American ancestors.

Republicans whine that she isn't 100% Native American and refuse to apologize.

Pretty obvious who the whiny little cry babies are.

#35 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-15 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I actually think the timing on this is weird, Warren is cruising to reelection and this will do nothing but distract the news cycle away from other races, especially the close ones.

The DNCC can't be happy with her releasing this 22 days before the election.

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15 they're probably figuring out how to legally donate campaign cash to Trumps's "charity" so he can claim he made good on the bet.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-15 02:46 PM | Reply

Now the real question is, what does a 23&Me test say about BOAZ's self-proclaimed blackness?

$20 with a picture of Harriet Tubman says they forward his DNA samples to Find My Pet.

#38 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-15 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My DNA tests my African hertitage was specifically Nigerian. I suspect in the pre civil war days one of my father's ancesters was the child of a slave and a European hertitage owner.

My high Italian and middle Eastern is from my mom's side and was a minglings that occurred over time from the Renaissance until my maternal great grandparents left Italy about 100 years ago.

#39 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-10-15 03:01 PM | Reply

If you put the partisan blinders away Joe you would recognize that this is nothing but a distraction from the real issues

I actually agree with that 100% and think it is very strange she would take the bait on such a stupid challenge to begin with, much less 4 weeks ahead of the midterms.

If you'd put the partisan blinders away you'd realize i was just asking you a question and that there was no need for you to get so defensive about it.

#40 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-15 03:24 PM | Reply

Warren proved she had Native American ancestors.

But this doesnt mean SHE is native american, much less claiming minority status because of it.

#41 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-15 03:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

-But this doesnt mean SHE is native american, much less claiming minority status because of it.

you're argument is that if the % is too low then she's not native American.

so? did she claim minority status?

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-15 03:33 PM | Reply

"But this doesnt mean SHE is native american"

There's a difference between culture and hertitage.

Dont tell the left this, because they believe bringing in a bunches of illegal Latin Americans but studies have shown that after 2-3 generations those of Latin descent self identify as white.

The same thing happened to the Italian immigrats. My mom and here family were considered non white and they didn't see themselves as white.

#43 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-10-15 03:42 PM | Reply

"so? did she claim minority status?"

"As I have confirmed before, I let people know about my Native American heritage in a national directory of law school personnel," - www.cbsnews.com

#44 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-10-15 03:48 PM | Reply

#44 Wow what a monster.

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-15 03:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

so? did she claim minority status?

#42 | Posted by eberly

We dont know that yet. It's claimed she did. Just like we dont know if Obama claimed foreign student status. I'll believe that before I believe anything Warren did.

#46 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-15 03:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you'd put the partisan blinders away you'd realize i was just asking you a question

Fair enough my apologies for ass-u-me-ing that was in any way a partisan statement.

The only thing that I can think of is that because Sen. Warren has a big lead that she can preempt Trump on any further attacks on this issue once the 2020 Presidential campaign kicks off the the Dems on November 7.

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 03:51 PM | Reply

Warren was making it out that she was a significant portion of her make up to be Indian. She lied. The insinuation is that she grew up on a reservation and was immersed in the culture and experience of being Native American.

Just like I have to say I'm African American but I have no ties to Africa, she's the same way with being an Indian. Any connection is so far away as to her never any relations with those in her family who are true indians.

#48 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-15 03:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

I can see a lot of people sarcastically claiming "me too" as likely being between 0.01% and 1.5% Native American.

Of course, anyone born in America is actually 100% native american.

#49 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-10-15 03:54 PM | Reply

Someone is lowballing the range given by scientists.

#50 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 03:59 PM | Reply

"Of course, anyone born in America is actually 100% native american.
POSTED BY SENTINEL"

Both American continents plus the Caribbean, or just USA?

Intentionally brain-dead comments like yours is why we have terms like First Nations.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 04:01 PM | Reply

Trump just likes saying words like "Indian" and "Pocahontas" over and over because it riles up his racist goober followers at rallies. That's mainly what this is all about. I'm guessing he won't stop doing it even now.

#52 | Posted by anton at 2018-10-15 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Warren was making it out that she was a significant portion of her make up to be Indian.

The horror.

Imagine if she admitted to sexual assault, or sided with Putin over our intelligence agencies. Then you might punish her by making her president!

#53 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-15 04:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 8 | Newsworthy 1

Ugh... Want to know all you need to know about the accuracy of the ancestry portions of this DNA mapping?

The Dahm Triplets DNA Results... That's actually a great read on identical sibling's DNA. I saw the clip of them on "the Doctors" when I was looking into whether or not to do one of the tests. The more I thought about it - I don't want to do it even if it would be fun. Especially not with Ancestry.com - I am forced to wonder what the Mormon's plan to do with all that information. I just don't get why they are so into genealogy - it's creepy.

#54 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-10-15 04:13 PM | Reply

Someone is lowballing the range given by scientists.

#50 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2018-10-15 03:59 PM

Nope, reposted from the other thread:

Here is the actual report from the "scientist(s)" and it's conclusion:

Conclusion. While the vast majority of the individual's ancestry is European, the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the individual's pedigree, likely in the range of 6-10 generations ago.

Simple math:

6 Generations equals 1/64th = .0156 or 1.56%;

10 Generations equals 1/1024 = .00097 or .01%

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 04:18 PM | Reply

As this thread demonstrates NOTHING will stop the right wing from claiming to believe whatever they want to believe. This no matter how trivial the issue. This is important because it diverts attention from issues vital to the future of the economy, like global warming or nationalization of banks and railroads. Better to limit the dialogue to Stormy and Monica.

These tendencies effects people of all political persuasions of course, save a few geniuses like Noam Chomsky, whose encyclopedia of facts is faultless. But its a huge societal problem in that it negatively impacts the general welfare, a constitutional mandate.

The right wing controls the mythology of America because it keeps money where it has always been, in the upper class. No matter how much truth there was in Marx's writings, the events he spoke of must never come to pass. Thus, socialism is a danger and labor strikes which dominated during the industrial revolution are barely ever mentioned and NEVER connected to Marxist prose. Instead, laws are put in place to prevent strikes from ever recurring.

Isn't it odd that the only proletariat revolutions occurred in the US and EU and not in China or Russia, who carry the "communist" label proudly? Better that the railroad strikes of 1877 never be mentioned in textbooks. Even more important NEVER mention the wages and living conditions most people lived under during that period. The sanitation conditions, the script which could only be spent in a company store, the endless cycles of epidemics and depressions which starved and killed vast swaths of the population.

#56 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-15 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@ Someone's been binging on Zinn.

Fun fact: Trotsky came to America and was amazed how much better life was here than in Russia under the Czar.

#57 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 04:30 PM | Reply

Simple math

Assuming the native person was 100% and that he/she procreated with a non-native and there were no other natives throughout the generations, wouldn't the percentile passing through the generations look like this?

50%
25%
12.5%
6.25%
3.125%
1.5625%
0.78125%
0.390625%
0.1953125%

So if it goes all the way back ten generations she could claim about two tenths of a percent of native heritage.

Still more than me.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-15 04:40 PM | Reply

#58

You only went 9 generations, don't forget that the 50% is the first generation, the parents are considered to be effectively the starting point: you are first generation from your parents.

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 04:48 PM | Reply

The Test administered by scientists says with 99% certainty that Senator Warren is 5% none European.

Thus unless she's technically tri-racial Senator Warren is 5% Native if not more.

Sao much for morons claiming she's 1/1000000000000 native.

#60 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 04:48 PM | Reply

To put it simply, you were "first generated" by your parents.

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 04:49 PM | Reply

#59 Imagine someone who is 100% at the top, they are the tenth generation. They breed with someonw who is zero percent and their child is then 50%. What am i missing?

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-15 04:51 PM | Reply

Why are you all using punnet square math when she took an actual test? Your genetics aren't perfectly spliced by half at each generation.

#63 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-15 04:53 PM | Reply

Still more than me.

But not enough to get a job as an extra on a Spaghetti Western.

#64 | Posted by Spork at 2018-10-15 04:53 PM | Reply

The Test administered by scientists says with 99% certainty that Senator Warren is 5% none European.
Thus unless she's technically tri-racial Senator Warren is 5% Native if not more.

Talk about trying to read more into the report than the scientist(s) did:

The total length of the 5 genetic segments identified as having Native American ancestry is 25.6 centiMorgans, and they span approximately 12,300,000 DNA bases. The average segment length is 5.8 centiMorgans. The total and average segment size suggest (via the method of moments) an unadmixed Native American ancestor in the pedigree at approximately 8 generations before the sample, although the actual number could be somewhat lower or higher (Gravel, 2012 and Huff et al., 2011).
Nice try though.

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 04:54 PM | Reply

This is just a trivial distraction. The importance of Warren is the difference between her proposed policies and Trump's oppressive tax bill, the singular 2018 accomplishment of career Republicans, and ongoing carnival of executive orders being fought out in the courts.

#66 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-15 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#66

Which was my point (without the partisan rhetoric) in #34

#67 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 04:58 PM | Reply

#62

They are the "Zero" generation, they are the first to be generated from their parents, their ancestors start with their kids, the first generation. Similarly, your kids are/will be your first generation.

Case in point: My in-laws both came here as immigrants from Scandinavia, my wife and her siblings are "first generation Americans."

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 05:02 PM | Reply

I thought "race" was just a "social construct." Has that theory been discarded?

#69 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-15 05:06 PM | Reply

"Warren was making it out that she was a significant portion of her make up to be Indian."

Is CO2 a significant contributor to earth's climate?

Asking because its about 0.04% of the atmosphere. Significant? And some portion of that CO2, about 0.01%, is anthropogenic. Significant?

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 05:09 PM | Reply

I thought "race" was just a "social construct." Has that theory been discarded?
#69 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

^
Care to bet a million bucks on it?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 05:10 PM | Reply

Race is one of many tools to incite political division and oppression, thereby diverting more money to the ruling class.

#72 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-15 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I let people know about my Native American heritage in a national directory of law school personnel"

That doesn't appear to attached to any benefit to Warren (undeservedly) deriving from (false) minority status.

Nor any benefit to Warren whatsoever.

Provably helps sell Harvard to Chief Bromden though.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 05:14 PM | Reply

--Race is one of many tools to incite political division and oppression, thereby diverting more money to the ruling class.

Really? The race-obsessed left is trying to divert money to the ruling class? Good to know.

#74 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-15 05:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#74 Yep, conservatives never even think about race, it's why they elected Donald Trump to be president.

#75 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-15 05:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Even the Cherokee nation says this was useless.

www.kjrh.com

#76 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-15 05:47 PM | Reply

The race-obsessed left is trying to divert money to the ruling class? Good to know.

#74 | Posted by nullifidian

If it weren't for the right's race obsession trump wouldn't be president.

MAGA was code for - make america WHITE again, as it was meant to be.

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-15 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Thank you to Liz for uniting us all, because by her numbers, we're all Native American. #Woo!woo!

#78 | Posted by Spork at 2018-10-15 05:54 PM | Reply

Spork can't count lol

#79 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 06:00 PM | Reply

#76

I would have thought that her handlers would have talked to the Cherokee Nation about this before releasing this report, but this seems to indicate otherwise.

#80 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-15 06:08 PM | Reply

The people who, when presented with the choice between an unlikable Democrat and Hitler, Jr., chose Hitler, Jr., do not care.

#81 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-10-15 06:13 PM | Reply

Thank you to Liz for uniting us all, because by her numbers, we're all Native American. #Woo!woo!

#78 | POSTED BY SPORK

Except Mexicans born here. They are just "anchor babies".

Get em out of here!

MAGA!

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-15 06:35 PM | Reply

"The race-obsessed left is trying to divert money to the ruling class?"

Isn't that what the Democrat Plantation is for?

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 06:38 PM | Reply

"Warren was making it out that she was a significant portion of her make up to be Indian. She lied. The insinuation is that she grew up on a reservation and was immersed in the culture and experience of being Native American."

Link?

She never said anything like that. Republican morons like you made those claims. Like they claimed Obama was not born in America.

All lies. As usual.

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-15 06:40 PM | Reply

#84,

Didnt she say she lived in a Tee Pee?

#85 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-15 06:50 PM | Reply

MAGA was code for - make america WHITE again, as it was meant to be.
#77 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

There's no 'G' in "white". you just made that up.

#86 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-15 07:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If Bernie doesn't run, Warren will be my new Jill Stein.

Smokin' Joe better bring his leather boxing helmet.

#87 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-15 07:02 PM | Reply

"There's no 'G' in "white"

^
That's how (and why) codes work.
Lee Atwater explained it quite succinctly.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 07:05 PM | Reply

Re: #87

If he takes up smoking pot, on stage, during the debates, Joe's got my vote

#89 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-10-15 07:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's no 'G' in "white". you just made that up.

#86 | Posted by SheepleSchism

To the racist trump chumps you spend all day supporting, White=Great.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-15 07:32 PM | Reply

If Bernie doesn't run, Warren will be my new Jill Stein.

#87 | Posted by SheepleSchism

So you're going to vote for another lesser evil, after years of saying that only creates more evil?

#91 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-15 07:33 PM | Reply

To hell with Warren. She done wrong by not endorsing Bernie 2 years ago. She can pound sand too.

#92 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-15 07:37 PM | Reply

Really? what evil does Warren support?

I'll wait for a platform. I might support her, I might not.

It doesn't really matter, does it? since the DNC will tank her for Biden.

#93 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-15 07:40 PM | Reply

"Really? what evil does Warren support?"

You'll DIE INSIDE when you find out who she voted for in 2016.

I'll give you a hint: it was for EVIL.

EEEEEEEEEEVVVVVIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLL

(cackling intensifies)

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 07:44 PM | Reply

Didnt she say she lived in a Tee Pee?

#85 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You are confused.

That was Humpy. He slept in "Pee Pee".

#95 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-15 07:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

If Bernie doesn't run, Warren will be my new Jill Stein.
#87 | Posted by SheepleSchism

If history is any guide that means he's going to vote for trump and pretend to be a Warren supporter despite opposing everything she stands for.

#96 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-15 07:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Really? what evil does Warren support?

I'll wait for a platform. I might support her, I might not.

It doesn't really matter, does it? since the DNC will tank her for Biden.

#93 | Posted by SheepleSchism

She supports obamacare for starters. Which you said we were better off not passing and letting more people die.

#97 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-15 07:48 PM | Reply

Just because her friends called her an Indian Giver when she was a kid doesn't mean she is native. Maybe she was told she was a Naive American and thought that meant she was an Indian

#98 | Posted by bph320 at 2018-10-15 07:52 PM | Reply

Maybe she'll apologize, and say she learned the hard way.

Or maybe Bernie runs and I won't have to worry about it.

I guess we'll have to wait for the platform. and Bernie.

#99 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-15 08:00 PM | Reply

It only matters when you are looking to claim favoritism, victim hood or the ability to say something your outward race cannot.

#10 | POSTED BY comrade BOAZO

LMAO, this is rich coming from you, a Lilly White redneck who claims to be a black guy. I'm sure the irony will be lost on you however!

#100 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-10-15 08:02 PM | Reply

a Lilly White redneck who claims to be a black guy.
#100 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

Abusive. and offensive.

#101 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-15 08:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I guess we'll have to wait for the platform. and Bernie.

#99 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You admitted bernie was a lesser evil too. You're going to keep waiting for the 100% flawless perfect candidate, remember?

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-15 08:09 PM | Reply

Breaking news: Avenatti and Stormy win!

www.mediaite.com

#103 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-15 08:11 PM | Reply

"Abusive. and offensive.
#101 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

Keep saying that; eventually Eberly's purse is going to give you something to feel abused and offended about!

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 08:11 PM | Reply

Breaking news: Avenatti and Stormy win!

www.mediaite.com

#103 | Posted by nullifidian U.S. District Judge S. James Otero dismissed the case on the grounds that the tweet was "rhetorical hyperbole" rather than defamation and Daniels claimed.

Haha looks like trumps "I'm such a liar that none of my statements can be used against me" defense is working!

#105 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-15 08:24 PM | Reply

"Just because her friends called her an Indian Giver..."

Just because you have no friends doesn't mean you should be so jealous of Warren.

#106 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-15 08:33 PM | Reply

I'm a card carrying native I had absolutely no doubt in my mind she had native in her lineage. If her family had been here any length of time. You read all those stories about all the women they sent over here .. prostitutes prisoners and such? More than 80% of them died in the first three years of their arrival... It was an extraordinary hard life for Euros settling here. Childbirth killed many of them.
She isn't associated with a tribe because the tribes were assimilated dissolved or driven to extinction on this east coast.
That being said:
As a matter of pedigree she is significantly more American than Trumplethinskin with his money grubbing expat Eurotrash parentage and and his small collection of Slavic wives.

#107 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-15 11:25 PM | Reply

According to a study done in 2014, "researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average ... 0.18 percent Native American."

source: www.nytimes.com

#108 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-10-16 12:12 AM | Reply

The Cherokee Nation called BS on the Warren DNA test to determine Native American heritage. Maybe if she actually knew the name of her great x 8 (or so) grandmother or that family history it would be helpful. Makes me wish I feigned some disadvantaged group connection to gain a guilt driven advantage. www.google.com

#109 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-10-16 06:23 AM | Reply

to gain a guilt driven advantage

When did that part happen?

#110 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-16 06:47 AM | Reply

The Cherokee Nation called BS on the Warren DNA test to determine Native American heritage. Maybe if she actually knew the name of her great x 8 (or so) grandmother or that family history it would be helpful. Makes me wish I feigned some disadvantaged group connection to gain a guilt driven advantage.

#109 | POSTED BY NUKE_GENTLY AT 2018-10-16 06:23 AM | REPLY | FLAG EYE ROLL

So many things to unpack in that little box of stupid.

For one thing the "Cherokee Nation" doesn't get to say whether or not she is to be recognized as having Native heritage. It only gets to say who get enrolled in their tribal rolls. That is all.

I'm not sure how mentioning her ancestry on a college application is feigning anything. At any rate it turns out she was telling the truth. Good for her.

Finally... Only and idiot believes there were scads of scholarships and financial aid handed to people based on simply on being native and is just another case of butt hurt from whites... mostly white men... all because they feel discriminated against because president Santa Clause put rocks in their socks and they had to compete for the candy on a wider field.

#111 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-16 07:35 AM | Reply

So if it goes all the way back ten generations she could claim about two tenths of a percent of native heritage.
Still more than me.

#58 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-10-15 04:40 PM | FLAG: mmmmhhhmmmm

or that 1/32 could be arrived at as a mosaic...

#112 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-16 07:39 AM | Reply

We should all work to force Trump to cough up the $1 million of his money he promised to Warren's favorite charity. This will take enormous pressure because we know that Trump's word means nothing. He;s already trying to redefine that promise, claiming he will have to conduct the test himself, very gently, as if he would know the first thing about how to conduct the test.

#113 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-16 09:36 AM | Reply

113

how? how do we force him to do anything? you want trump to do something? drive a wedge between him and his base. just a little.....

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-16 09:39 AM | Reply

How come we don't build holocaust memorials for native americans slaughtered by white progressives?

#115 | Posted by mutant at 2018-10-16 10:00 AM | Reply

113 how about you just get to work by landing a real job?

#116 | Posted by mutant at 2018-10-16 10:01 AM | Reply

So many people defending or detracting based on this test without even really knowing what Liz Warren claimed.

Here's some info:

```Warren's central offense dates back to the mid 1980s, when she first formally notified law school administrators that her family tree includes Native Americans. Warren said she grew up with family stories about both grandparents on her mother's side having some Cherokee or Delaware blood.

That genealogical claim has zero documentary evidence to back it up, according to a PolitiFact review of news and newsletter databases back to 1986.

Before this controversy arose in 2012, there is no account that Warren spoke publicly of having Native American roots, although she called herself Cherokee in a local Oklahoma cookbook in 1984.

There is no dispute that Warren formally notified officials at the University of Pennsylvania and then Harvard claiming Native American heritage after she was hired.```

#117 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-10-16 11:17 AM | Reply

The whole article:
www.politifact.com

#118 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-10-16 11:20 AM | Reply

how? how do we force him to do anything? you want trump to do something? drive a wedge between him and his base. just a little.....

#114 | Posted by eberly

Hah, that's like saying drive a wedge between hitler and the nazis.

His base IS trump.

#119 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-16 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How come we don't build holocaust memorials for native americans slaughtered by white progressives?

#115 | Posted by mutant

Yeah that's it, white conservatives on the other hand, were really nice to the native americans weren't they?

#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-16 11:22 AM | Reply

I thought "race" was just a "social construct." Has that theory been discarded?

#69 | Posted by nullifidian

Where's the SJWs that have been preaching this theory for years? Obviously Warren doesn't think race is a social construct. I agree with Warren.

#121 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-16 11:24 AM | Reply

Yeah that's it, white conservatives on the other hand, were really nice to the native americans weren't they?#120 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-16 11:22 AM

Whatabout those conservatives?

#122 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-16 11:26 AM | Reply

Republicans: Warren is faking her native heritage!

Warren: No i'm not.

Republicans: Why is Warren so obsessed with her native heritage! We never cared about this! Why does she bring it up all the time! Also she's not as native as i thought she would be! Ugh!

#123 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-16 11:31 AM | Reply

Europeans didn't wipe out Native Americans. They assimilated them into their DNA. Native Americans are integrated into the American ruling class.

#124 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-10-16 12:09 PM | Reply

"Europeans didn't wipe out Native Americans. They assimilated them into their DNA. "

By producing offspring of both European and Native American descent.

For Christ's sake, did every Republican on this site flunk out of science class?!?

#125 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-16 12:12 PM | Reply

By producing offspring of both European and Native American descent.

Which was Vistor's point, had you chosen to comprehend it rather than restating it in simpler terms.

#126 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 12:18 PM | Reply

From Pocahontas to Poca-wanabe.

#127 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-10-16 01:35 PM | Reply

From Pocahontas to Poca-wanabe.

#127 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

She never claimed to be Native American. She only said she had native american ancestory.

Republicans claimed she claimed she was.

From idiot to... still idiot.

#128 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-16 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

to #128

```Warren's central offense dates back to the mid 1980s, when she first formally notified law school administrators that her family tree includes Native Americans. Warren said she grew up with family stories about both grandparents on her mother's side having some Cherokee or Delaware blood.
That genealogical claim has zero documentary evidence to back it up, according to a PolitiFact review of news and newsletter databases back to 1986.
Before this controversy arose in 2012, there is no account that Warren spoke publicly of having Native American roots, although she called herself Cherokee in a local Oklahoma cookbook in 1984.
There is no dispute that Warren formally notified officials at the University of Pennsylvania and then Harvard claiming Native American heritage after she was hired.```

Sorta sounds like she claimed it

#129 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-10-16 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

although she called herself Cherokee in a local Oklahoma cookbook in 1984.

The recipe she provided was plagiarized, word for word, out of the NYT.

he two recipes, "Cold Omelets with Crab Meat" and "Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing," appear in an article titled "Cold Omelets with Crab Meat," written by Pierre Franey of the New York Times News Service that was published in the August 22, 1979 edition of the Virgin Islands Daily News, a copy of which can be seen here.

Ms. Warren's 1984 recipe for Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing is a word-for-word copy of Mr. Franey's 1979 recipe.

Mrs. Warren's 1984 recipe for Cold Omelets with Crab Meat contains all four of the ingredients listed in Mr. Franey's 1979 recipe in the exact same portion but lists five additional ingredients. More significantly, her instructions are virtually a word for word copy of Mr. Franey's instructions from this 1979 article. Both instructions specify the use of a "seven inch Teflon pan." ...

Ms. Warren's instructions are word-for-word copies of Mr. Franey's 1979 instructions for this recipe, with one exception. Ms. Warren says, "Let cook until firm and lightly brown ... " and Mr. Franey says "Let cook until firm and lightly browned ... " [emphasis added] ...

The third potentially plagiarized recipe, "Herbed Tomatoes," appears to be copied from this 1959 recipe from Better Homes and Garden.


elizabethwarrenwiki.org

At the bottom of the recipe: Elizabeth Warren - Cherokee

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-16 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

claiming Native American heritage

Well. Now we know she has some.

So the argument has changed to, it's not enough.

Kudos.

#131 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-16 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

claiming Native American heritage
-----
Well. Now we know she has some.

Her percentage is lower than most white Americans.

#132 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-16 02:17 PM | Reply

"Her percentage is lower than most white Americans."

So?

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 02:18 PM | Reply

Elizabeth Warren Wins Nobel Prize for Medicine for Proving "Race Is Real"

In a surprise announcement this afternoon, Senator Elizabeth Warren was awarded the Nobel Prize for medicine / physiology for dispelling decades of "Race is just a social construct" obfuscations by demonstrating that race is a scientific biological reality that can increasingly be measured down to tiny fractions. The citation lauds Senator Warren for her breakthrough discovery of the racial elementary particle now known as the "micro-smidgen."

#134 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-16 02:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Ms. Warren's 1984 recipe for Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing is a word-for-word copy of Mr. Franey's 1979 recipe.

Oh no! What a monster!

Imagine if she had, say, sided with Putin over our intel agencies, or even just cheated on her spouse with a pornstar. You might deem her qualified for POTUS!

#135 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-16 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I guess she's going to have to carry around a tomahawk to boost her cred because she sure as hell ain't moving out of her mansion into a teepee.

#136 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-16 02:22 PM | Reply

to #128
```Warren's central offense dates back to the mid 1980s, when she first formally notified law school administrators that her family tree includes Native Americans. Warren said she grew up with family stories about both grandparents on her mother's side having some Cherokee or Delaware blood.
That genealogical claim has zero documentary evidence to back it up, according to a PolitiFact review of news and newsletter databases back to 1986.
Before this controversy arose in 2012, there is no account that Warren spoke publicly of having Native American roots, although she called herself Cherokee in a local Oklahoma cookbook in 1984.
There is no dispute that Warren formally notified officials at the University of Pennsylvania and then Harvard claiming Native American heritage after she was hired.```
Sorta sounds like she claimed it

#129 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Yeah, it does....and claimed it accurately.

Elizabeth Warren claims to have Cherokee blood.
Test says Elizabeth Warren has Cherokee blood.

Republicans: She lied! She isn't 100% Native American like Trump pretended she claimed.

#137 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-16 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sorta sounds like she claimed it"

She claimed it as much as Goatman claimed it.

She never sought Federal recognition to gain advantage as a tribal person, just like Goatman didn't.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 02:28 PM | Reply

#137

Come on, dude.

You are WAY smarter than that. 1/1024. Really?

I guess we are all Cherokee indians now.

Time to trade in my car and purchase a Jeep Cherokee.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-16 02:31 PM | Reply

I miss Goatman. He was a good conversation. Or a bad one. Depending on topic.

Wonder if he's still alive.

#140 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-16 02:31 PM | Reply

I guess she's going to have to carry around a tomahawk to boost her cred because she sure as hell ain't moving out of her mansion into a teepee.
#136 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

^
She should just take your scalp.
That would silence at least one critic.

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 02:31 PM | Reply

Her percentage is lower than most white Americans.

#132 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

No. It's not. The vast majority of Americans have no Cherokee or any other type of Native American blood.

The average is 0.18% for Native American blood. But that comes from a small number having a certain amount throwing off the average. The majority are 0%.

#142 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-16 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I guess she's going to have to carry around a tomahawk to boost her cred because she sure as hell ain't moving out of her mansion into a teepee.

#136 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

There you go defending Trump again. He said she claimed to be Native American. She claimed when she was teaching to Administration that she had Native American ancestors. She's never held herself out as Native American. She never identified with a tribe.

The REPUBLICANS dubbed her Pocahontas. She proved exactly what she said is true: She does have some Cherokee ancestors.

#143 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-16 02:33 PM | Reply

You'll have to excuse Jeff.

He hates successful women.

He, like most of his deplorable ilk, believe a woman's place is in the house. Cooking, cleaning and birthing.

#144 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-16 02:34 PM | Reply

#140 Clown - yes, he's still alive. At least as of a few weeks ago.

#145 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-16 02:34 PM | Reply

Her percentage is lower than most white Americans.

#132 | Posted by JeffJ

Republicans are totally right about this.
Warren hasn't been totally truthful about something. Therefore she shouldn't be in a position of power.

And republicans will henceforth apply this same standard to all politicians, since complete truth without hyperbole or exaggeration is clearly such an important priority for them.

#146 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-16 02:35 PM | Reply

#137
Come on, dude.
You are WAY smarter than that. 1/1024. Really?
I guess we are all Cherokee indians now.
Time to trade in my car and purchase a Jeep Cherokee.

#139 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Speaking of smarter than that: It was 1/64 at most to 1/1024 at least.

The leader of the Cherokee Nation is only 1/32.

#147 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-16 02:35 PM | Reply

"You'll have to excuse Jeff.

He hates successful women."

JeffJ would be nothing without a successful woman.

You can't possibly think he wears the pants in that household.

His wife is the breadwinner and he putters around the house trying not to get gout.

(This is not to imply resentment at his inferior position doesn't manifest externally towards other women.)

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 02:39 PM | Reply

#134

Plagiarifidian didn't include a link to that because it's from a rwing white supremacist.... like himself.

vdare.com

Steven Ernest "Steve" Sailer is an American journalist, blogger, movie critic, a former correspondent for UPI and a columnist for Taki's Magazine and VDARE.com, which has been associated with white supremacy, white nationalism, and the alt-right.

en.wikipedia.org

#149 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-16 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Slaughter the source part #1024

#150 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-16 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No. It's not. The vast majority of Americans have no Cherokee or any other type of Native American blood.
The average is 0.18% for Native American blood. But that comes from a small number having a certain amount throwing off the average. The majority are 0%.

#142 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

That's not what I read.

Anyhow, I don't really care so it doesn't matter.

I'm having fun with this but I could care less that she claims Indian heritage. Her claims seem to be pissing of the Cherokees but I don't care about that either.

I'm accustomed to politicians lying and embellishing and on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst and 1 being the least bad) I'd rate this embellishment as a 2. For me personally it's a 1 but because she's pissing off the Cherokees I have to give it a point higher.

Bottom line is she's not hurting anyone with this claim. Everyone involved in her hiring process (I believe 18 people were asked about this) at Harvard have said it had no bearing on her hire. By all accounts she performed very well as a professor, and no claims of "Pocohontas" can ever take that away from her.

I think she is making a dumb political mistake by continuing to harp on this. It's not helping her IMO and it may be hurting her politically.

#151 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-16 02:42 PM | Reply

So let me get this straight, Kavanaugh is credibly accused of trying to rape women 30 years ago but that is considered no big deal by the GOP. Warren is accused of truthfully acknowledging she has Native American blood 30 years ago and now it is cause for endless mockery by the same GOP.

How can anyone not feel utter disdain for modern day Republicans?

#152 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-10-16 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#150

Slaughtering low-hanging white supremacist plagiarists is more fun.

#153 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-16 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- I'm accustomed to politicians lying and embellishing

Republicans these days demand it in their pols.

#154 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-16 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's shed some light on the validity of Warrens DNA test:

"According to a report by the Boston Globe, there is no Native American DNA available for genetic testing "because Native American leaders have asked tribal members not to participate in genetic databases." (RELATED: Boston Globe Issues Major Correction On Liz Warren's Ancestry Claims)

Therefore, in order to test for Native American ancestry, genetic researchers have to use samples from other parts of the world.

Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor, used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to attempt to calculate how much Native American ancestry is in Warren's DNA.

"To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That's because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago and settled in what's now America but also migrated further south," the Boston Globe explained.

According to the American Indian and Alaska Native Genetics Resource Center, no DNA test can "prove" that someone is American Indian because there are no unique genes."

#155 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-10-16 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speaking of smarter than that: It was 1/64 at most to 1/1024 at least.
The leader of the Cherokee Nation is only 1/32.

#147 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-10-16 02:35 PM

Since this was on another thread but on point, I am going to pull a Corky and quote myself so I don't have to retype it:

if you grew up on the reservation you can have lower fractions of Native blood. Chief Bill John Baker grew up on the Cherokee Reservation, from that paragon of all sources, Wikipedia:

Bill John Baker was born in Cherokee County, Oklahoma, where his family has been for four generations. Of mixed ethnicity, like many Cherokee citizens, he is 1/32 (3.1%) Cherokee by blood.[2] He graduated from Tahlequah High School in 1969 and from Northeastern State University in 1972 with a bachelor's degree in political science and history.
Herein lies the core of the dispute from people claiming heritage from off the reservation, since there are many people with "thinner" bloodlines who are accredited members of the various tribes who have lived on reservation their entire lives.

#19 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-10-15 04:04 PM

#156 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 03:28 PM | Reply

Race is a social construct, except for Warren.

--Corky and company

#157 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-16 03:34 PM | Reply

#151 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Frankly its a dumb argument. But Republicans seemed intent on having it. And Warren proved she wasn't lying about having some Cherokee blood.

The only question is will Trump apologize and pay the $1 million or run away crying to Twitter like usual to be coddled by his followers?

This is your new Republican Party.

#158 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-16 03:34 PM | Reply

Race is a social construct, except for Warren.
--Corky and company

#157 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Why the pathetic deflection?

Why such a cry baby?

#159 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-16 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- Race is a social construct, except for Warren.

The "Pocahontas" meme is a substance-free political meme; everyone involved says her heritage never helped her career... and also is a rwing racial slur in which you decide to participate.

Because trolling libs gets you the kind of attention you crave.

#160 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-16 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#160a

... even if you have to plagiarize white supremacists to do it.

#161 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-16 03:45 PM | Reply

The party who supports a man who lied about his wealth, his affair with a pornstar, his university, his collusion with putin, jailing hillary, having a cheaper better alternative to obamacare, releasing his taxes, and a million other things DEMANDS that democrats be completely honest about everything in their life history.

Give it up '-----. You can't pretend to act like lying is bad anymore. If it's acceptable in your leader, its acceptable in all leaders.

#162 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-16 03:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"You can't pretend to act like lying is bad anymore."

The fastest-growing cemetery in the world is where Republican Talking Points go to die.

#163 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-16 03:49 PM | Reply

--Why the pathetic deflection?

Warren is irrelevant.

I'm asking a serious question: Does the left still believe that race is a "social construct" or not?

You can answer it or dance away with deflections.

#164 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-16 03:59 PM | Reply

Race is a social construct, except for Warren.
--Corky and company

#157 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-10-16 03:34 PM | FLAG: IDIOT

Looks like white boy butthurt is a social construct reserved for Null and his team of unhappy booboos.

Blood quantum is only important to whites who think that should disqualify a person from inheritance. The Cherokees had a choice be Cherokee and leave your ancestral home... and this included those of mixed race. Those that chose the Cherokee side were sent away... to be Cherokee on someone elses ancestral home... those that didn't remained on their ancestral land by denying any claim to it.

#165 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-16 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Does the left still believe that race is a "social construct" or not?
You can answer it or dance away with deflections.

#164 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-10-16 03:59 PM |

What the left believes is a completely irrelevant aside to the problem of right wing racism.

#166 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-10-16 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Does the left still believe that race is a "social construct" or not?"

What "race" are you ?

#167 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-16 04:10 PM | Reply

Warren is irrelevant.

#164 | Posted by nullifidian

Then why is your party obsessed with her and her heritage?

#168 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-16 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I am not sure about this " left" you speak of. Is that a "social construct" to divide us, too?

But, there is only one race. It's called the Human Race.

Since there really is no such thing as a "white race", I am going by with yes, it is a "Social Construct".

Just because some of know better it does no good unless the majority know better.

Just like money. It is also a social construct. If the majority place their trust and beliefs in money then it exists and it does no good if I deny that money is real. I will just go to bed hungry. 😋

#169 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-16 04:21 PM | Reply

There's No Scientific Basis for Race -- It's a Made-Up Label

It's been used to define and separate people for millennia. But the concept of race is not grounded in genetics.

www.nationalgeographic.com

#170 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-16 04:29 PM | Reply

It's been used to define and separate people for millennia. But the concept of race is not grounded in genetics.

So Sen. Warren claiming that she was part of the Cherokee race is not grounded in genetics?

Got it.

#171 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-16 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So let me get this straight, Kavanaugh is credibly accused of trying to rape women 30 years ago but that is considered no big deal by the GOP. Warren is accused of truthfully acknowledging she has Native American blood 30 years ago and now it is cause for endless mockery by the same GOP.
How can anyone not feel utter disdain for modern day Republicans?

POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2018-10-16 02:48 PM | REPLY |

They are all scum worthless worthless scum.

#172 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-16 05:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

yes, he's still alive.
#145 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Good to know.

Thanks 👍🏽

All my best to him.

#173 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-16 06:05 PM | Reply

How many toes does he have left?

#174 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-16 06:15 PM | Reply

What I find astounding about republicans, is they have the gall to say anything about democratic politicians, like Warren, when republican politicians are so repugnant, repulsive, liar, criminal... take your pick.

Donnie Dumphuc strings lies together to create sentences. Republicans take no issue with this. Reinterpreting his words to justify it.

Warren isn't 100% Native Americans. So republicans scream she's a fffking liar because she said she had Native American ancestry, or heritage, or whatever is more offensive.

Get a fffking life.

#175 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-16 06:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This knocks Warren out of the 2020 race. Good. The Democrats never would have stood a chance with her on the ticket.

#176 | Posted by Nerfherder at 2018-10-16 06:21 PM | Reply

This knocks Warren out of the 2020 race. Good.

Why would this knock her out?

She has proven to be telling the truth.

I'd prefer her to stay in the Senate. But. Am curious as to your reasoning.

The Democrats never would have stood a chance with her on the ticket.

There aren't many (any?) democrats who can go up against Trump.

2020 will be an interesting year.

#177 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-16 06:47 PM | Reply

lol... blah blah blah all you want righty tightys ,,, she called Trumplethinskin's bluff bet and now he owes her charity of choice a million dollars... I bet she could run a casino better than him too.

#178 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-16 06:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just be honest...

When Republicans don't want to believe something, no amount of evidence will convince them.

Not science. Not DNA tests. Not polygraphs. Not witnesses. Not video or audio. Not even an admission by the alleged perp.

Republicans will believe absolutely anything they choose and to hell with the facts.

#179 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-16 07:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Monica Lewinsky had her DNA tested and found out that she was 1/1024 Bill Clinton.

#180 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-10-16 07:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Monica Lewinsky had her DNA tested and found out that she was 1/1024 Bill Clinton.

#180 | Posted by visitor_

Are you just trying to remind us all how many of republicans supposed "values" they've abandoned since then?

Ah the 90s. When republicans cared about fiscal responsibility, marital infidelity, and sexual assault. Those were the days...

#181 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-16 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What's it like to go through life without a sense of humor?

#182 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-10-16 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When republicans cared about fiscal responsibility, marital infidelity, and sexual assault.

They didn't care back then either.

But at least they pretended to.

Now. It's just morons leading the blind.

#183 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-16 08:41 PM | Reply

What's it like to go through life without a sense of humor?

Humorless.

#184 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-16 08:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What's it like to go through life without a sense of humor?

#182 | Posted by visitor_

You tell me. #181 was funny. And true.

#185 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-16 08:55 PM | Reply

Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians chief voices support for Elizabeth Warren after she sparked controversy for taking a DNA test to prove her Native American ancestry

"Senator Elizabeth Warren does not claim to be a citizen of any tribal nation, and she is not a citizen of the Eastern Band," he said. "Like many other Americans, she has a family story of Cherokee and Delaware ancestry and evidence of Native ancestry."

Sneed went on to say that Warren "has not used her family story or evidence of Native ancestry to gain employment or other advantage" and that "on the contrary, she demonstrates respect for tribal sovereignty."

www.businessinsider.com

#186 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-16 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Wow, guess the only folks who take umbrage with Warren are simply political hacks.

#187 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-16 09:54 PM | Reply

What's it like to go through life without a sense of humor?
#182 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Visitor and other conservatives are too dumb to have a developed sense of humor. They "get" slapstick and vulgarity but not satire and parody.

#188 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-16 10:28 PM | Reply

"So Sen. Warren claiming that she was part of the Cherokee race is not grounded in genetics?
Got it."

No you don't "get it".

It's not a game that Elizabeth Warren made up. It's a show already in progress. The blocks were there in the form. You check them if it applies to you. You expect Democrats to unilaterally "disarm" themselves while Republicans cheat and lie and con their way into power ?

If so then you are dumber than I thought.

Trump owes 1 million to charity. He should pay up. He won't. He is a lying partisan POS with no honor.

#189 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-17 01:42 AM | Reply

"Trump owes 1 million to charity."

So you're claiming Warren is an Indian?

#190 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-10-17 02:26 AM | Reply

"They didn't care back then either."

Congressmen like Scarborough, Kasich and many others from around that time actually believed in fiscal conservatism, and balked at what the Republicans did after GWB was elected.

#191 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-10-17 02:37 AM | Reply

That Warren has Native ancestry is no longer deniable.

#192 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-17 02:38 AM | Reply

"Trump owes 1 million to charity." So you're claiming Warren is an Indian?

#190 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2018-10-17 02:26 AM | REPLY | FLAG:PPPPFFFFTTTTTT

Learn to read you stupid republicl°wn. it doesn't say she's an "indian" it says Trumplethinskin lost a bet.

BTW... he set the terms... a DNA test. Liz dun bitch slapped that POS with the truth.

#193 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-17 05:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He owes 976.56 or 1/1024 of a million and he should make a big show of sending the check. She made a serious miscalculation reveling her DNA results and the timing could not have been worse for the Democratics. How's that for funny?

#194 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-10-17 07:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Learn to read you stupid republicl°wn. it doesn't say she's an "indian" it says Trumplethinskin lost a bet. BTW... he set the terms... a DNA test that showed her to be an Indian. Liz dun bitch slapped that POS with the truth that she is not an Indian. #193 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-17 05:22 AM | Reply | Flag: Illiterate or Ignorant

Trump: ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.'
www.politifact.com

#195 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-17 08:54 AM | Reply

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America," Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. released in a statement. "Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. ... Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."

thehill.com

In spite of the coordinated effort of the MSM to spin this in Warren's favor, this really looks like it has backfired IMO. The last time she made hay out of this claim she was rebuked by Cherokee Nation. All it's going to take is for Fox News to get Chuck Hoskin Jr to do a brief interview on one of their highest audience shows and this will really backfire on Warren.

#196 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 09:03 AM | Reply

"Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage"

Wow, the worm has turned. I'm grateful I have no native American heritage and this clown is trying distance his tribe from an upstanding, successful and very smart woman.

I would think any native American tribe would be so lucky to have someone like Elizabeth Warren claim to have their blood. It would help dispel the notion that native Americans are lazy, worthless, drunken sloths.

But hell....kick Warren out. Who cares?

It's the last time anybody with a small amount of Native American ancestry admits to it.

------- morons

#197 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-17 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I was just at RealClearPolitics and saw the Fox and Friends interviewed a member of Cherokee Nation. He pretty much excoriated her for trying to lay claim to something she is simply not a part of. He said that the average white American has .18% native American blood in them and she has half of that.

From the link I provided in #196:

"Argue the substance all you want, but why 22 days before a crucial election where we MUST win house and senate to save America, why did @SenWarren have to do her announcement now? Why can't Dems ever stay focused???" tweeted Jim Messina, former President Obama's 2012 campaign manager.

It was politically unwise for her to quadruple down on this.

#198 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 09:22 AM | Reply

Jeff, she'll get passed this.

Once folks are convinced she never outright lied or received special help for it.....who gives a ---- what the Cherokee nation thinks?

#199 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-17 09:26 AM | Reply

Warren is a wealthy Rachel Dolezal.

#200 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 09:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Jeff, she'll get passed this.
Once folks are convinced she never outright lied or received special help for it.....who gives a ---- what the Cherokee nation thinks?

#199 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2018-10-17 09:26 AM

Her Senate seat is safe but can you imagine the negative campaign ads if she runs for POTUS? They'd be brutal and wouldn't even need to be deceptive. She brought this on herself with the stupid DNA test.

#201 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 09:28 AM | Reply

Jeff, Warren can address this once this dies down to clarify what she has said and done.

Then she can make a mockery of the right by producing her birth certificate and laughingly ask the right to chase her on that.

It'll go away

#202 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-17 09:33 AM | Reply

Once folks are convinced she never outright lied or received special help for it.....who gives a ---- what the Cherokee nation thinks?

#199 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Exactly this.

She is not claiming admittance to the tribe. She is only showing how much of a cheat, liar and fraud Humpy is.

She is not trying to "bring down Trump" as the Lush Dimbulb is trying to claim. She is just showing America what kind of man Humpy is by speaking the truth.

If America still wants him after all that he has said and done then America will get exactly what America deserves. A con man. A cheat. A liar. And a dishonorable man.

It will be a painful chapter in American history for many.. The best lessons usually are.

#203 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-17 09:41 AM | Reply

Warren is a wealthy Rachel Dolezal.

#200 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-10-17 09:27 AM | FLAG: Wealthy partisan moron

#204 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-10-17 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Warren is a wealthy Rachel Dolezal.
#200 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-10-17 09:27 AM | FLAG:

WOW Pathetic much???

#205 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-17 09:56 AM | Reply

She said a family member told her there was indian blood in her history. There is. Period. She never asked for or received any gain from it. She never claimed to be an Indian. Just that there was Indian blood in her family history and she was told that was the source of some of her facial features. Everything else is faux outrage by republicans who ignore Kevin McCarthy's Brother actually benefitting from FALSE claims of Indian heritage

www.latimes.com

Until and unless they invest an equal amount of negativity at Kevin McCarthy their faux outrage is just BS

#206 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-10-17 09:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (CNO) is more concerned about documented traceability and knowing each other than DNA tests. They are (rightly) concerned with the dilution of what it means to be 'Native American.'

This all makes sense when you look at the genetic makeup of the Tribe. Most Cherokees are ethnically 'mixed' - including Bill John Baker, the Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Oklahoma, himself. He's 1/32 Cherokee, or one less generation (potentially) removed than Warren herself.

The Eastern Band Cherokee Nation has no issue with any of this from what they've released so far.

I think there's one more branch today that we haven't heard from on this, but I don't think it matters. I understand where each is coming from on this. What's funny is in 2012, CNO was happy that Warren had said she had Native American genetic history in her family.

Still, it'd be more interesting to actually trace Warren's genetic tree than use a DNA test.

#207 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-17 10:00 AM | Reply

She brought this on herself with the stupid DNA test.

She was stupid to take the bait, but let's not forget that this has only remained an issue in the first place due to constant offensive racial needling from a race-obsessed imbecile of a president who you defend on a daily basis.

#208 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-17 10:00 AM | Reply

#206 - that's really all there is to this.

#209 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-17 10:01 AM | Reply

Until and unless they invest an equal amount of negativity at Kevin McCarthy their faux outrage is just BS -#206 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-10-17 09:58 AM

Why would anyone show outrage at McCarthy because of something that his brother-in-law did (which hasn't even been shown to be wrong)? McCarthy didn't claim to be a minority.

#210 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-17 10:08 AM | Reply

When the census comes out, how about we check all the race boxes because we all came from a few common ancestors?

#211 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-10-17 10:16 AM | Reply

who you defend on a daily basis.

#208 | POSTED BY JOE

Why do you choose to lie?

#212 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 10:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Jeff, she'll get passed this.
Once folks are convinced she never outright lied or received special help for it.....who gives a ---- what the Cherokee nation thinks?

#199 | POSTED BY EBERLY

She never claimed to be a member of a tribe.

Just that it was in her heritage.

This entire issue is stupid and a prime example of the intellectual rot within the GOP.

#213 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-17 10:51 AM | Reply

It's not a lie.

If you find this entire episode silly, then stop enabling such a silly man.

#214 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-17 10:52 AM | Reply

Until and unless they invest an equal amount of negativity at Kevin McCarthy their faux outrage is just BS

#206 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

You don't understand modern Republicans.

If a Dem does it, it's the worst thing to ever happen. Ever. Like ever ever.

If a Repub does it to make money, it's no biggy because anything goes when making money. Unless you're a Dem.

In which case, well you know.

#215 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-17 10:56 AM | Reply

who you defend on a daily basis.

#208 | POSTED BY JOE
Why do you choose to lie?

#212 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

LOL

#216 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-17 10:57 AM | Reply

#214 - THIS. This is the absolute crap that Trump stirs up, constantly.
Meaningless "entertainment" and demagoguery while our nation rots and he exploits everything he can.
He's turning us into Russia.

#217 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-17 10:57 AM | Reply

This has been a controversy since 2012, but I understand why Dems want to make it all about Trump. That's what they do on every issue.

#218 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-17 10:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It became nothing in 2012 with her win.
Trump's resurrected it with calls of "Pocohontas" and more.
So nice try, Null, but everyone here knows the history and what's going on.
Just like birtherism and Trump.
Same thing.
He's a POS and you love him for it.

#219 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-17 11:04 AM | Reply

#214 How am I "enabling" Trump?

#220 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 11:04 AM | Reply

This has been a controversy since 2012

I hadn't heard about it since it first surfaced, until Trump began incessantly bringing it up, and i follow the news very closely.

But i can see why you'd want to distance your god from such a stupid thing he won't let go of.

#221 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-17 11:05 AM | Reply

How am I "enabling" Trump?

You're going to deny doing whatever it is I say you do, so there's really no point. You'll seize on some inconsequential word, put it in bold, and then claim you don't so that particular thing in that particular way.

You are a Trump enabler. Deal with it.

#222 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-17 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"How am I "enabling" Trump?"

by avoiding or making light of every discussion that puts focus to what Trump, and the -------- you advocate and vote for, are doing to the deficit, our privacy, our safety and our institutions.

Be a Man, for once in your miserable lie riddled existence

#223 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-10-17 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're going to deny doing whatever it is I say you do, so there's really no point. You'll seize on some inconsequential word, put it in bold, and then claim you don't so that particular thing in that particular way.
You are a Trump enabler. Deal with it.

#222 | POSTED BY JOE

Translation: I got caught talking out of my ass so now I'm going to circle it back around because I can't substantiate my --------.

#224 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@JeffJ:

You're going to deny doing whatever it is I say you do, so there's really no point. You'll seize on some inconsequential word, put it in bold, and then claim you don't so that particular thing in that particular way.
I can't offer any proof, but I have a very firmly held belief.
You are a Trump enabler. - #222 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-17 11:11 AM

You can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic themselves into.
Deal with it.

#225 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-17 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"How am I "enabling" Trump?" by avoiding or making light of every discussion that puts focus to what Trump, and the -------- you advocate and vote for, are doing to the deficit, our privacy, our safety and our institutions. - #223 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-10-17 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag: Doesn't understand what enabling means.

#226 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-17 11:41 AM | Reply

Says the dweeb who thinks 100k + to bang a "horse face" is a good "deal"

#227 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-10-17 11:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Name calling AND lying? You normally segregate those two, CTM. It's good to see you multi-tasking for a change.

#228 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-17 11:50 AM | Reply

#224 No, I just don't have the energy today. Nothing i said was inaccurate. Your history as an enabler is there for anyone curious to see.

#229 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-17 12:11 PM | Reply

...can you imagine the negative campaign ads if she runs for POTUS? They'd be brutal and wouldn't even need to be deceptive. She brought this on herself with the stupid DNA test.
#201 | POSTED BY JEFFJ
"

What are they going to do, run a "negative" ad showing trump pu--ying out of his bet? Tribal leaders siding with Warren and saying she displays great respect for Natives?

Jeffylube has truly gone through the looking glass and into republican wonderland.

#230 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-17 12:17 PM | Reply

"I got caught talking out of my ass"
#224 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

That seems to be your only method of communication.

#231 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-17 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She won the bet... on his terms.

#232 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-17 12:33 PM | Reply

This entire issue is stupid and a prime example of the intellectual rot within the GOP.

#213 | Posted by jpw

I think that if she plays her cards right....then perhaps she can turn this into her advantage....certainly keeping it from being a liability.

#233 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-17 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump: ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.'

#234 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-17 12:51 PM | Reply

My advice is to drop the juvenile Trump bet.....make Warren's disclosure about Warren in order to clear it up and move on .

Let Trump eat his own ---- on it...but don't help him.

#235 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-17 12:53 PM | Reply

Well, she never claimed be 100%, so parsing percentages at this point is either an attempt to deflect or an excuse to welsh.

#236 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-17 12:55 PM | Reply

Trump: ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.'

^
It depends on what your definition of is^H^H "it shows you're an Indian" is.

#237 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-17 01:03 PM | Reply

#224 No, I just don't have the energy today....

#229 | POSTED BY JOE

Of course you don't.

#238 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 01:07 PM | Reply

#224 - *tucks his tail and runs away*

#239 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 01:08 PM | Reply

#224 - *tucks his tail and runs away*

#239 | Posted by JeffJ

Or he has stuff to do...

In any case, he's correct.

When it's clear cut you sometimes criticize Trump but usually that's when your "pragmatic" side comes out.

If there's any wiggle room to get out of criticizing it, you take it no matter what.

#240 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-17 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"She said a family member told her there was indian blood in her history."

I remember there were threads here scorching white Americans for this "myth", even though most European Americans who have this family lore would likely have similar DNA test results to Warren's.

"She never asked for or received any gain from it."

Debatable. She was careful not to directly bring it up in job interviews and applications, but she put it out there for recruiters to see and had no problem with others including her employers portraying her as a "woman of color" until she was called out on it.

"She never claimed to be an Indian"

Actually, when she claimed Trump lost the bet, she did.

"Until and unless they invest an equal amount of negativity at Kevin McCarthy their faux outrage is just BS"

Logical fallacy. Is Kevin McCarthy running for President, and did he just torpedo what could have otherwise been a viable chance to defeat Trump?

McCarthy is also a douche if he exaggerated or misrepresented his ancestry, directly or indirectly.

#241 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-10-17 01:25 PM | Reply

Of course you don't.

I don't typically shy away from participating in your childish nonsensical games. But today, the thought of cutting and pasting your posting history, all so you can either claim it doesn't say what it says or that it doesn't adequately meet some horrifyingly parsed definition of "enable" just seems like a bore to me.

Have a great day!

#242 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-17 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Joe doubles down.

Have a great day as well, Joe.

#243 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 01:44 PM | Reply

*tucks his tail and runs away*

#239 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-10-17 01:08 PM | FLAG: CREEPY ASTERISKS

You and RoC belong together like incels and unite the right rallies.

#244 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-17 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship."
#196 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Either Jeffylube thinks citizenship is the same as ancestry or this is another case of goalposts moved.

#245 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-17 02:43 PM | Reply

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship."
#196 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Damn you.

That's like ten years of Springer down the drain.

I was really looking forward to watching that!

#246 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-17 02:47 PM | Reply

#196 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

East Band Cherokee don't care, why do you ignore that tidbid of information?

#247 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-17 07:08 PM | Reply

I wasn't aware East Band Cherokee doesn't care.

#248 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 07:11 PM | Reply

I wasn't aware East Band Cherokee doesn't care.
#248 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You weren't kidding about being slow, eh? From above:

Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians chief voices support for Elizabeth Warren after she sparked controversy for taking a DNA test to prove her Native American ancestry
"Senator Elizabeth Warren does not claim to be a citizen of any tribal nation, and she is not a citizen of the Eastern Band," he said. "Like many other Americans, she has a family story of Cherokee and Delaware ancestry and evidence of Native ancestry."
Sneed went on to say that Warren "has not used her family story or evidence of Native ancestry to gain employment or other advantage" and that "on the contrary, she demonstrates respect for tribal sovereignty."
www.businessinsider.com
#186 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2018-10-16 09:54 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 4

#249 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-17 07:18 PM | Reply

I simply missed it. I've been popping on and off this site and thus don't see every single post on every single thread.

#250 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-17 07:21 PM | Reply

#250 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I was teasing. Thoughts on the East Band's comments?

#251 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-10-18 01:11 AM | Reply

The [Republican] party ... DEMANDS that democrats be completely honest about everything in their life history. - #162 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-16 03:48 PM
Stop lying. No one has demanded anything of the sort. Pointing out where someone is being dishonest, as you are here, is not me demanding that you be completely honest about anything.

#252 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-18 09:17 AM | Reply

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