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Saturday, October 13, 2018

Over the past decade, Jared Kushner's family company has spent billions of dollars buying real estate. His personal stock investments have soared. His net worth has quintupled to almost $324 million. And yet, for several years running, Mr. Kushner -- President Trump's son-in-law and a senior White House adviser -- appears to have paid almost no federal income taxes, according to confidential financial documents reviewed by The New York Times. His low tax bills are the result of a common tax-minimizing maneuver that, year after year, generated millions of dollars in losses for Mr. Kushner, according to the documents. But the losses were only on paper -- Mr. Kushner and his company did not appear to actually lose any money. The losses were driven by depreciation, a tax benefit that lets real estate investors deduct a portion of the cost of their buildings from their taxable income every year.

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I do this on a small scale. It is so easy to avoid taxes if you have a business.

#1 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-13 01:46 PM | Reply

I do this on a small scale. It is so easy to avoid taxes if you have a business.

#1 | POSTED BY BORED

But but but businesses are taxed to the point of being nearly non-profitable. Or so I'm told.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-13 02:58 PM | Reply

This is why yuge corps and the elite needed bigly tax cuts.... it's not like they don't already have enough loopholes bought by their donations to the GOP.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-13 05:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Over the past decade, Jared Kushner's family company has spent billions of dollars buying real estate.

During Obama's term? can't be true.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-13 05:53 PM | Reply

Slumlord Jared learned well from his child-raping father-in-law.

#5 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-10-13 06:07 PM | Reply

Jared's dad is a criminal thug. The apple didn't fall far from that tree.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-13 06:40 PM | Reply

#4 what does this have to do with Obama?

F -- ktard.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-13 08:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So he maximized his deductions just like everyone else and that's a problem? Obama, Clinton and Bernie did the same thing.

#8 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-10-13 09:06 PM | Reply

"So he maximized his deductions just like everyone else and that's a problem?"

Exactly.
If it's not illegal, it can't be wrong.
Slavery only became wrong around 1865, for example.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-13 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Rich people write the tax laws. Rich people don't pay taxes. Funny how that works.

#10 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-10-13 10:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#9 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Good point. So Clinton and Obama just didn't see it during their terms?

Do you think that's why Kushner didn't pay federal taxes the entire time O was in office?

#11 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-13 10:05 PM | Reply

"Do you think that's why Kushner didn't pay federal taxes the entire time O was in office?"

Because Clinton and Obama?
What other reason could their possibly be?
Surely you're not suggesting he simply didn't pay what he owes, so, barring anything nefarious like that, what other reason could their possibly be?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-13 10:08 PM | Reply

During Obama's term? can't be true.

#4 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2018-10-13 05:53 PM | FLAG: GREAT!

Which just proved that Obama wasn't a running a socialist agenda like the republicl°wns always insisted that he was hell bent on doing. Ironically the beanbag bong ------- leftys fell in love with the big O because they believed the right wing-nut propaganda. They snarfed it down every bit as much as the righty tighties did. Holy Moses those unicorn chasing druggies dragged their pinko bums down to the voting booth and swept him into office that monumental first term,,, all the while thinking they done finally landed them a live one.

Obama did pretty much what he campaigned on. I didn't see any surprises really.

Bernie was a loser

#13 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-13 10:14 PM | Reply

- Surely you're not suggesting he simply didn't pay what he owes,

I suspect that the wealthy pay little to no taxes by design.
as in, the design which we don't qualify for.

Do you think Clinton and Obama just didn't see it during their terms?
Was it hidden in plain sight even?

#14 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-13 10:27 PM | Reply

- Which just proved that Obama wasn't a running a socialist agenda

Of course not. He's ran a center-right agenda. less evil that right, and far right.

- Obama did pretty much what he campaigned on.

Hardly. Hope and Change became Bait and Switch.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-13 10:30 PM | Reply

"Was it hidden in plain sight...?"

Look up Grantor Annuity Trusts, and get back to us.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-13 10:39 PM | Reply

Taibbi: Trump Is Just One Player in a Much, Much Larger Tax Story
www.rollingstone.com

That big ‘New York Times' expose should most of all remind us that upper-class tax evasion has been the norm for a generation

There is a lot in here that's educational about how the wealthy are able to pass riches back and forth without being taxed the way you or I would be.

The Times couldn't find any paperwork explaining how Daddy Trump transferred 1,032 apartments to his children without incurring tax penalties. Tax records only showed that the "mini empire" had "shifted at some point from Fred Trump to his children."

The Trump era has produced some stellar investigative reporting, but some of it yields an uneasy feeling.

The relentless focus on Trump as the center of our media universe has left huge segments of the population with the impression he's a cause, not a symptom, of our problems.

He is a rich scumbag who cheats on taxes, not the rich scumbag who cheats on taxes.


QFT

#17 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-14 08:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hardly. Hope and Change became Bait and Switch.

#15 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2018-10-13 10:30 PM | FLAG: YAWN

Please presidents always run promising something similar to hope and change... peace and prosperity... to space and beyond... united and states.... don't tread and on me blah blah blah what ever what ever. That whole Shock and Awe to get "greeted as liberators" with parades showers of rosewater and rice was very hopey change in nature and essence.

Obama got monumentally dumped on the moment he took office there is not one thing you can say to disprove that fact. We had teetered on the precipice of a economic meltdown that coincided with but was not because of his election. Then Boom... whine all you want that Black Santa didn't deliver the goodies you HOPED for he did pull the nation from that very, very, very, expensive fire. A lot more expensive than the republicl°wns want to admit... so more of the chatter about how bad that Kenyan in the Oval Office was at cleaning up their mess.... and the uber-left ate that up as well... because they too were living in lala land.

His election did change things aside from the racial issue... some people who couldn't marry can now marry is an example. Relative to the Oval Office inhabitants his tenure was pretty much scandal free and the clowns are still doing butt hurt about the ACA.

Hope does not make people feel good...

Hope
noun
1. a feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen.

it activates them...

verb
1. want something to happen or be the case.

... people ARE activated.... for a fekkin change!

Obama delivered buuuuut I guess it doesn't look the way you thought it would.or should or whatever

#18 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-14 08:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One salient fact. Obama had a filibuster proof majority for 74 days. Pretend otherwise only if you are willing to admit you are a liar.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama delivered buuuuut I guess it doesn't look the way you thought it would.or should or whatever
#18 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

Obama delivered, NOT

Close Gitmo, withdraw from Iraq. restrict warrantless wiretaps, secure borders, universal healthcare,
path to citizenship for immigrants, cap and trade, gov't revolving door for lobbyists, the list goes on.

Hope and Change indeed. Worst of all, he enabled and coddled The Witch that gave us Trump.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Obama had a filibuster proof majority for 74 days.

Plenty of time to ram through some liberal policy.

But no. Aw Shucks Obama rammed through Libya instead.

#21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 11:36 AM | Reply

Another salient fact. The Republicans met at the Caucus House Restaurant on inauguration day, Jan. 20, 2013 where they all promised to oppose everything Obama tried to accomplish for his entire Presidency. Any Republican today whining about what Obama did or did not accomplish is a dishonest piece of crap, you guys know it as well as I do. I honestly don't know how knowledgeable Republicans live with themselves. The religious nuts, and the other parts of the Republican coalition, I can understand, they don't know any better. But the intelligent, though largely sold out other members of the GOP, are just despicable. Recently they passed themselves another ridiculous tax cut, they are just greedy scoundrels.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Over the past decade, Jared Kushner's family company has spent billions of dollars buying real estate. His personal stock investments have soared. His net worth has quintupled to almost $324 million. And yet, for several years running, Mr. Kushner -- President Trump's son-in-law and a senior White House adviser -- appears to have paid almost no federal income taxes

The upkeep on daddy's little whore isn't cheap.

#23 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-10-14 11:39 AM | Reply

#22 |

Sheeple like Nulli and Hrat buh-lieved in the Green Lantern Theory of Obama's Presidency:

According to Brendan Nyhan, the Dartmouth political scientist who coined the term, the Green Lantern Theory of the Presidency is "the belief that the president can achieve any political or policy objective if only he tries hard enough or uses the right tactics." In other words, the American president is functionally all-powerful, and whenever he can't get something done, it's because he's not trying hard enough, or not trying smart enough.

www.vox.com

And when their fantasies don't come true, they become delusional Trump humpers.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-14 11:42 AM | Reply

"But no. Aw Shucks Obama rammed through Libya instead."

Libya was already in revolt, Obama could have ignored the threat of "rivers of blood" but chose not to. It was a situation of damned if you do and damned if you don't. He chose to try to prevent Ghadafi from slauthering thousands of people. Easy to criticize from behind your computer in your mom's basement, tougher thing to actually be the President trying his best to actually do what is right. He didn't lie us into a war in Iraq. He didn't ignore intelligence that allowed 9-11 to happen. You anger is so partisan as to be laughable.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 11:44 AM | Reply

Hope and Change became Bait and Switch.

#15 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

There was indeed a lot of hope for change. Obama was elected President on that hope. Republicans made sure that hope was in vain.

And now "Make America Great Again" has become "Make America Hate Again".

You helped build that.

Enjoy 😉.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-14 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.vox.com

"chuckles*

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-14 11:45 AM | Reply

"chuckles*

But you can't actually refute. I'm the one chuckling.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And when their fantasies don't come true,
#24 | POSTED BY CORKY

At least you admit that Obama's campaign was built on fantasy.

As a result, no one believed the Witch, producing Trump.

#29 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Libya was already in revolt, Obama could have ignored the threat of "rivers of blood" but chose not to. It was a situation of damned if you do and damned if you don't. He chose to try to prevent Ghadafi from slauthering thousands of people. Easy to criticize from behind your computer in your mom's basement, tougher thing to actually be the President trying his best to actually do what is right. He didn't lie us into a war in Iraq. He didn't ignore intelligence that allowed 9-11 to happen. You anger is so partisan as to be laughable.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-10-14 11:44 AM | REPLY

Why do you continually lie about Libya. There was no revolt there was no civil war. The only reason we invaded Libya was to control the oil spigots NOTHING more.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-14 11:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

--the Dartmouth political scientist

A political "scientist" is someone who writes opinions while wearing a white laboratory jacket.

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-14 11:52 AM | Reply

"chuckles*

It's all he's ever got. No substantive argument to what was said, ever.

Because he's a only a bigly sad Trump Troll now.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-14 11:54 AM | Reply

the threat of "rivers of blood"
#25 | POSTED BY DANNI

LOL. hyperbole destroyed a nation

- He chose to try to prevent Ghadafi from slauthering thousands of people.

Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true.

- the President trying his best to actually do what is right.

Actually, he didn't.

- He didn't lie us into a war in Iraq.

Actually, he did.

- He didn't ignore intelligence that allowed 9-11 to happen.

Wow Warhawk. attack somebody already.

- You anger is so partisan as to be laughable.

Pot - kettle

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

31

And once again, caricature, not argument.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-14 11:55 AM | Reply

"Pot - kettle"

Doesn't have one single fact right. Pure partisan bull crap. Everyone who posts here can see the clear lies you just posted. You're increasingly laughable every single day.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 12:04 PM | Reply

"Wow Warhawk. attack somebody already.
- You anger is so partisan as to be laughable.
Pot - kettle"

Everyone knows, you can't fool anyone about that.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 12:08 PM | Reply

"Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. "

Denying it over and over doesn't make it not true liar. Anyone who actually paid attention at the time understands that the U.S. did not unilaterally go into Libya, we joined our allies GB and France who had both assisted us in Afghanistan. Rewriting history is the work of Republicans, no one else.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 12:10 PM | Reply

Sheeple is as Republican as George W. Bush.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 12:11 PM | Reply

Doesn't have one single fact right. Pure partisan bull crap.
#35 | POSTED BY DANNI

Says pot to kettle

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 12:15 PM | Reply

www.salon.com

In particular, the key claim that something genocidal was about to unfold was entirely unfounded, according to a lengthy review of the Libya intervention at the London Review of Books, which noted that "in retaking the towns that the uprising had briefly wrested from the government's control, Gaddafi's forces had committed no massacres at all; the fighting had been bitter and bloody, but there had been nothing remotely resembling the slaughter at Srebrenica, let alone in Rwanda." Given that Libya had normalized relations with the West in 2003/2004, renouncing its former international outlaw role, including an active WMD program, it was strikingly counterproductive to turn on Gaddafi like that, if you want to coax other "rogue states" into the community of nations

#40 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-14 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sheeple is as Republican as George W. Bush.
#38 | POSTED BY DANNI

Evidence of why Democrats will continue to lose: failure to work with independent liberals.

Or even recognize them, due to partisan team divide. Read Corky's "Green Lantern" posts.

He's openly shi**ing on liberals to sell his center-right "we have a better chance" bulls*t. You're being duped and don't even know it.

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 12:20 PM | Reply

www.theguardian.com

The race is on for Libya's oil, with Britain and France both staking a claim
Rebel leaders dismiss suggestions that firm promises have been made, but supportive countries look set to benefit

#42 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-14 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI
LOCKERBIE LOCKERBIE
#30 Mz Mohr
We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.
We didn't invade Libya, we meddled, like we do every where.

#43 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-10-14 12:29 PM | Reply

Not only that but if Khaddafi was still alive Trump would love him. Like Putin and Kim Jung Un and the new princeass of Arabia. Murdering thugs. But the rich are deserving to rule the world because after all they own it. Right Dorothy?

#44 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-10-14 12:57 PM | Reply

"Evidence of why independent liberals will continue to lose: failure to work with Democrats."

FTFY

Seriously, you can affect the policies of the Democratic Party be being involved in the Democratic Party. Trying to control the Democratic Party without even being a member is ridiculous. In all honesty, I wouldn't support Bernie Sanders again, either be in the party or be out. You can't jump in and out at will and still expect our support.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 01:03 PM | Reply

#45 | POSTED BY DANNI

Go ahead. keep running to center. I'm sure it'll work out some day.

And then you'll have your center-right utopia, ready to shred the constitution and abolish SCOTUS.

#46 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 01:36 PM | Reply

The Republicans met at the Caucus House Restaurant on inauguration day, Jan. 20, 2013 where they all promised to oppose everything Obama tried to accomplish for his entire Presidency. - #22 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 11:38 AM
This statement is a lie.
Per Robert Draper's book, where you're pulling this from, the republicans plan was to:
Show united and unyielding opposition to the president's economic policies.
Any particular reason that you are trying to mislead people?

#47 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-14 01:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

"Go ahead. keep running to center. I'm sure it'll work out some day."

Today, the center is Medicare for all. Yesterday that was considered total socialism. Try to keep up.
I recall several years ago when we discussed gay marriage. I told everyone here that it would happen and that it would happen faster than any of them expected. Then it did. Medicare for all will be just like that. And yes, Social Security, Medicare and Medicare for all will be the center. Not left, not right. Just the law of the land. And you'll still be irrelevant.

#48 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 01:52 PM | Reply

Today, the center is Medicare for all. Yesterday that was considered total socialism. Try to keep up.
I recall several years ago when we discussed gay marriage. I told everyone here that it would happen and that it would happen faster than any of them expected. Then it did. Medicare for all will be just like that. And yes, Social Security, Medicare and Medicare for all will be the center. Not left, not right. Just the law of the land. And you'll still be irrelevant.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-10-14 01:52 PM | REPLY

The Center is NOT Medical for All. That's still the liberal left. The center wants ObamaCare. Democrats need to move left or be left behind.

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-14 02:01 PM | Reply

Avigdore parses words but pretends not to understand the intent of that meeting. He makes a fool of himself.....again.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 02:02 PM | Reply

"Avigdore parses words"

It sure looks like he thinks dissembling is how you make an earnest argument in good faith.
So either he doesn't think he's dissembling, or he doesn't think it's wrong.

For example, his quote doesn't include this part of the referenced work:

"If you act like you're the minority, you're going to stay in the minority," Draper quotes McCarthy as saying. "We've gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign." www.huffingtonpost.com

Which basically supports Danni's assertion, and doesn't support Avigdore's.

What you're doing is called lying, Avigdore.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-14 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"As a result, no one believed the Witch, producing Trump."

Nobody believed her, you say?
Did the fable of The Boy Who Cried Wolf had a "lesser evil" or "greater evil" ending?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-14 04:21 PM | Reply

#52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Do you consult several children's fables before forming opinions?

Do you have all your Dr. Seuss books spread out when reading the news too?

How would Clifford the Big Red Dog have handled Libya?

#53 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 04:34 PM | Reply

Republicans only like taxes poor people pay, like tariffs, tolls, gov service fees. They fool their base into believing that they should pay a lower rate on the taxes they can't avoid.

Trump, Jared and their crime families pay less taxes than the majority of their supporters. No wonder they are always smirking.

#54 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-14 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's an easy way to fix this.

Flat tax. No deductions. Everyone pays the same percentage of their income.

#55 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-14 06:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Flat tax. No deductions. Everyone pays the same percentage of their income.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-10-14 06:50 PM | REPLY

It's a Dummkopf tax that hurts the poor more than it does the rich.

#56 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-14 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a Dummkopf tax that hurts the poor more than it does the rich.

Would Boaz be a fan if it was anything else?

#57 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-10-14 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So? We are equal in this country. It's not the rich's fault someone is poor..

#58 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-14 07:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

So? We are equal in this country. It's not the rich's fault someone is poor..

#59 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-14 07:04 PM | Reply

So? We are equal in this country. It's not the rich's fault someone is poor..

#59 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-10-14 07:04 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You poor dear. The GOP has rotted your brain.

#60 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-14 07:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

'Do you consult several children's fables before forming opinions?"

Consult is an odd choice of words.

I take the things I know, and awareness of my own ignorance about things I don't know, into consideration when forming opinions.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-14 07:14 PM | Reply

"It's not the rich's fault someone is poor.."

It's not?

What's the Democrat Plantation then?

It's not the rich elite Democrats fault that the blacks stay on the Democrat Plantation?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-14 07:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Which basically supports Danni's assertion, and doesn't support Avigdore's. - #51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-14 02:08 PM
Allow me to explain to you that one person saying they should challenge the democrats is not the same as 'they all promised to oppose everything Obama tried to accomplish'. So, you're wrong. One person's statement of what should be challenged does not support her false claim that they ALL PROMISED to oppose everything...

What you're doing is called lying, Snoofy.

#63 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-14 07:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#55 very few businesses could afford to pay tax on their gross income. Disallowing deductions for expenses would bankrupt 99% of businesses.

There are some easy fixes that the corrupt GOP will never allow.

Disallow depreciation below assessed market value.
Tax all income the same.
Cap charity deductions.
Tax personal use of charity assets.

#64 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-14 07:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats need to move left or be left behind.

#49 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Yap, I agree.

The Democrats are entirely too liberal.

They never talk about liquidating the burgeoisie under a revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

Candy ***** liberals. The whole lot of them.

#65 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-10-14 07:56 PM | Reply

What you're doing is called lying, Snoofy.

What you are doing is called Goatmanning, Avigdore.

#66 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-10-14 07:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#63 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2018-10-14 07:43 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 2

@RCADE, Safari on Mac flagger is broken. my heavy tears should evoke your emotion.

After all, you're a husband and a dad.

#67 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 07:57 PM | Reply

What you are doing is called Goatmanning, Avigdore. - #66 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-10-14 07:56 PM
Are you ok with people lying, as long as they lie about people you don't agree with?

#68 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-14 08:54 PM | Reply

#59 we are all equal?
Equal under the law? No.
Equal opportunity? No.
Equal tax by income? No.
Equal benefit of Gov servacies? No.

#69 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-14 08:56 PM | Reply

Rich people like me gain more from government contracts, my kids have a better chance of getting a degree compared to better but poorer students, I can afford a better lawyer than most, etc.

Left unchecked, an entitled aristocrat society will collapse from outside competition. We are seeing that happen in the USA now.

#70 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-14 09:01 PM | Reply

Hardly. Hope and Change became Bait and Switch.

#15 | POSTED BY comradeSHEEPle

Remember when you used to pretend to be a liberal? We do!
Good times!

It's almost as fun as when Boazo pretending to be a black guy, or WrongO'thetime pretending to be a lawyer.

It's time to give up the ghost Yuri, you are fooling no one!

If you need me to translate this into your native language, Russia, I'd be happy to do that!

#71 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-10-14 09:03 PM | Reply

So? We are equal in this country. It's not the rich's fault someone is poor..

#59 | POSTED BY comrade BOAZ

It's not anyone else's fault but yours that you are a dumber than a bag of hammers redneck that pretends to be a black guy so he can state his racist views on the Internet. But you're a Fox News and Brietbart consumer so being a racist is part of the gig.

#72 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-10-14 09:12 PM | Reply

#71 I prefer reading your broken English.

#73 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 09:13 PM | Reply

So he maximized his deductions just like everyone else and that's a problem?

The problem is the f..king system is rigged against the average American.

The average American that collects a paycheck can't avoid paying some taxes. In fact, the IRS specifically has rules (i.e. the Alternative Minimum Tax) to help ensure that even more Americans can't avoid paying some taxes. How about an AMT for every person/entity that has to file federal income taxes?

#76 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-10-15 06:12 AM | Reply

hammers redneck that pretends to be a black guy so he can state his racist views on the Internet.

Why arent the views racist no matter who says them?

#77 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-15 08:19 AM | Reply

So, you're wrong. One person's statement of what should be challenged does not support her false claim that they ALL PROMISED to oppose everything...
What you're doing is called lying, Snoofy.

#63 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2018-10-14 07:43 PM | FLAG: ABSOLUTELY STUPID

The list is infinite...

www.politico.com
swampland.time.com
www.theguardian.com
www.washingtonpost.com
www.chicagotribune.com
www.nationalmemo.com

The whole world knows you are wrong...all the Republicl°wnery occurring during the Obama years created the most unproductive congress in history

time.com
Lets not talk about what the government walk out cost the country.
and all because Obama passed a law making healthcare affordable to more people.
The whole world what them do it.
If you are going to call someone a liar you DO need to get a better press agent dumb@$$

#78 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-15 08:54 AM | Reply

appears to have paid almost no federal income taxes, according to confidential financial documents reviewed by The New York Times.

Another set of confidential documents reviewed by the Times. If these were real you know they would have leaked them. Sounds like when Harry Reid blatently lied by saying Romney hadn't paid taxes or when the left said Trump hadn't paid and then Madcow showed his taxes and they showed he paid more that Clinton, Obama and Sanders. LOL

#79 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-10-15 09:40 AM | Reply

If you are going to call someone a liar you DO need to get a better press agent dumb@$$ - #78 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-15 08:54 AM

You really taught that strawman a thing or two. You'll notice that I never said that the Republicans weren't obstructionist. I hope that defeating that argument that I didn't make made you feel better. Nothing in your links show any evidence that

The Republicans met at the Caucus House Restaurant on inauguration day, Jan. 20, 2013 where they all promised to oppose everything Obama tried to accomplish for his entire Presidency. - #22 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 11:38 AM

except for the link that discusses the book that I already cited that quoted the Republicans as opposing only Obama's economic policies. If you want to try to make a point, you need better reading comprehension.

#80 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-15 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think it's funny that Nulli mocks a source and the people who take umbrage to it are the ones who habitually slaughter the source when it puts forth something they disagree with.

The irony meter is pegged at 11.

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-15 11:36 AM | Reply

The irony meter is pegged at 11.

#81 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Partially because he's a giant whiner when it comes to people slaughtering sources.

It's irony all around.

#82 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-15 11:47 AM | Reply

Top 3% of U.S. Taxpayers Paid Majority of Income Taxes in 2016
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Individual income taxes are the federal government's single biggest revenue source. In fiscal year 2018, which ended Sept. 30, the individual income tax is expected to bring in roughly $1.7 trillion, or about half of all federal revenues, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

#83 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-10-15 11:48 AM | Reply

Terrible headline and just another example of a Liberal exaggerating to make a point but completely spinning the facts. The rich pay the majority of all income tax. Just because some don't doesn't change the fact that the "little person" is America's income tax salvation. One can argue whether or not the rich pay enough, sure, but making a ridiculous claim like only the little people pay taxes just proves how hypocritical you are.

#84 | Posted by humtake at 2018-10-15 11:55 AM | Reply

Good point. So Clinton and Obama just didn't see it during their terms?
Do you think that's why Kushner didn't pay federal taxes the entire time O was in office?

#11 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Did Clinton raise taxes even though the GOP fought it tooth and nail? Same for Obama, right? Even though he had to settle for less tax increases than he wanted because of the GOP?

Of course, none of it matters if you just commit tax fraud like Trump and Kushner...

Sheeple, you're a fake. Everyone knows it. You should just leave.

#85 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-15 12:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Only the Little People Pay Taxes

IRS out today for 2016

The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (37.3 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (30.5 percent).
The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97 percent of total individual income taxes.

#86 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-10-15 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#86 Maverick, you're a fake. Everyone knows it. You should just leave. I don't even know what taxes are but I know that the rich don't pay them. Hell, how would I know. I am still listed as a dependant on my Mother's return.

#85 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-10-15 12:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

#87 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-10-15 01:28 PM | Reply

@#87 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-10-15 01:28 PM
While I appreciate the effort, I think you've pointed that at Sychophant unfairly. There are others that it is much more appropriate to.

#88 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-15 01:32 PM | Reply

Only the Little People Pay Taxes
IRS out today for 2016
The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (37.3 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (30.5 percent).
The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97 percent of total individual income taxes.

#86 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Maverick 200 years ago

IRS out today for 1818:

Non-Slaves paid 100% of individual income taxes.
Slaves paid 0%.

Those slaves are leaches on society!

#89 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-15 01:44 PM | Reply

IRS out today for 2016
The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (37.3 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (30.5 percent).
The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97 percent of total individual income taxes.
#86 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

The top 1% own 38% of stock market wealth.
The top 10% own 81% of stock wealth.
The next 10% owns 11%.
The bottom 80% owns 8%.

So when you tell me the top 1% paid 7% more of the total tax income for the United States compared to the bottom 90%, you are literally proving the system is rigged for the rich.

Thank you for proving my point.

#90 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-15 01:49 PM | Reply

#86 Maverick, you're a fake. Everyone knows it. You should just leave. I don't even know what taxes are but I know that the rich don't pay them. Hell, how would I know. I am still listed as a dependant on my Mother's return.
#85 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-10-15 12:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

#87 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Mav isn't fake.

He doesn't pretend to be something he isn't. That's Sheeple, the pretend former liberal or progressive depending what day of the week it is.

#91 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-15 01:51 PM | Reply

Thank you for proving my point. - #90 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-15 01:49 PM

Are you pretending to have made a point?

#92 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-15 01:53 PM | Reply

The point being the rich own a disproportionate share of the total wealth. Their taxes being such a large percentage of the total tax paid is a reflection of their ownership of such a large percentage of the wealth.

Really the problem isn't even the 1% but the .1 percent who pay a lower rate than I do.

#93 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-10-15 01:59 PM | Reply

Avarice is the problem.

#94 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-15 02:22 PM | Reply

The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (37.3 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (30.5 percent).
The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97 percent of total individual income taxes.

You want to bottom wage earners to pay more taxes? Then pay them more money!

#95 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-10-15 02:25 PM | Reply

"The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (37.3 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (30.5 percent)."

How much wealth do the top 1% have, compared to the bottom 90%?

You haven't ever thought about that, have you?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-15 02:38 PM | Reply

Thank you for proving my point. - #90 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-15 01:49 PM

Are you pretending to have made a point?

#92 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Are you that bad at math that you missed it?

Or just that pathetic you won't admit it?

#97 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-15 05:29 PM | Reply

Of course, none of it matters if you just commit tax fraud like Trump and Kushner...
#85 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Of course it matters. to me anyways.
It just didn't mean much to Clinton or Obama.
not enough to DO anything about it.

Maybe you can find some threads where I went tearing through on my rodeo horse screaming, "YEE-HAWWW the rich is gettin RICHER!!"

#98 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-15 07:28 PM | Reply

The point being the rich own a disproportionate share of the total wealth. Their taxes being such a large percentage of the total tax paid is a reflection of their ownership of such a large percentage of the wealth. - #93 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-10-15 01:59 PM |

So you agree that the headline to this discussion is completely false then?
Any thoughts on why Bored would make such an obviously false statement like that?

#99 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-10-16 09:57 AM | Reply

No the headline is appropriate to the article.

The thread has diverted from a particular case to a general case. Even with the general case the fact that the .1% pay a lower percentage than I do means the headline still works.

#100 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-10-16 02:57 PM | Reply

"upper-class tax evasion has been the norm for a generation"

Oh please.

It's been the norm for 105 years.

#101 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-16 03:03 PM | Reply

Anybody think the guys in the (gasp!) 6% bracket were truthful?
www.bradfordtaxinstitute.com

#102 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-16 03:05 PM | Reply

Evasion is such an ugly word.

Avoidance is better.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-16 03:14 PM | Reply

"Avoidance is better."

Avoidance is legal.

#104 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-10-16 03:21 PM | Reply

Yes it is. I think people overuse the term "evasion".

#105 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-16 04:17 PM | Reply

Honestly I would imagine evasion goes on more in the lower brackets. Cash under the table and all that.

I remember one year as a server when I claimed all my tips the manager came to me and asked why I was claiming so much of my cash tips. It was so bad almost every paycheck was under 5 bucks because taxes on my tips ate up the rest of my normal earned income. He thought I was nuts not to be hiding some of the cash.

From personal experience I would say 99.9% of all tipped professions practice tax evasion.

#106 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-10-16 04:30 PM | Reply

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