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Sean Illing: When he was arguing for the ratification of the Constitution, Alexander Hamilton wrote that the judiciary "will always be the least dangerous branch to the political rights of the Constitution," in part because he believed the federal courts would stand above the political fray and act as a bulwark against tyranny from all directions. But it's hard to defend the Supreme Court on these grounds today.

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Hahahaha. Epic Meltdown in progress.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-12 06:22 PM | Reply

Speaking of melt downs in progress:

Hillary Clinton loses security clearance after server scanda - www.washingtontimes.com

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-12 06:23 PM | Reply

Chinese Communist Propaganda Group Paying for Vox Posts

Explanatory media website Vox has been receiving money from a Chinese communist government-backed front organization.

A recent Vox blog post by foreign editor Yochi Dreazen titled, "The big winner of the Trump-Kim summit? China" discloses at the bottom of the piece that the reporting was subsidized by the China-United States Exchange Foundation.

CUSEF, as first noted by Washington Post columnist Josh Rogin, is a front organization backed by the Chinese government and established to spread the party's propaganda.

freebeacon.com

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-12 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh, that's funny. Corky's favorite girly rag is a megaphone for commie propagandists.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-12 07:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Things to be abolished:

1) electoral college
2) senate
3) supreme court
4) 2nd amendment
5) 10th amendment
6) 1st amendment

Fortunately, thanks to the infinite wisdom of the Framers, all of those things require constitutional amendments. The only thing they can do legislatively is pack the supreme court.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-12 08:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Keep lit matches away from post #5. I didn't know they HAD that much straw in whatever corner of the Golden State is afflicted by your pestilential presence.

#6 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-10-12 08:31 PM | Reply

"Chinese Communist Propaganda Group Paying for Vox Posts"

Thanks, Capitalism!

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-12 10:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

used repeatedly to undermine outcomes of democratic governance --

Doesn't matter.

It's job is to check "democratic governance" when it moves towards mob rule.

Granted, that's likely a double edged sword as we'll see in the coming years.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-12 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If they don't get to be team captain, the left's response is to take the ball home:

Lose SCOTUS majority, abolish SCOTUS
Lose the White House, abolish the EC

#10 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-10-13 07:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

The left marching in lock step. Vox, now Slate, and more to follow.


""The Supreme Court Is a Historically Regressive and Presently Expendable Institution""

slate.com

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-13 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Vox's ‘Abolish SCOTUS' Harvard Law Professor Hoped Liberal Court Would Crush Conservatives when Hillary Won

"My own judgment is that taking a hard line ("You lost, live with it") is better than trying to accommodate the losers, who – remember – defended, and are defending, positions that liberals regard as having no normative pull at all. Trying to be nice to the losers didn't work well after the Civil War, nor after Brown. (And taking a hard line seemed to work reasonably well in Germany and Japan after 1945.)"
...
A jurisprudence of "wrong the day it was decided." Liberals should be compiling lists of cases to be overruled at the first opportunity on the ground that they were wrong the day they were decided.
...
The culture wars are over; they lost, we won.

balkin.blogspot.com

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-13 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Supreme Court - originalism - corporate personhood. Just shut up. When conservatives deal with that impossible decision let me know. Til then, they are just liars, crooks and thieves.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-13 10:22 AM | Reply

www.breitbart.com

"Yet there is a sense in which the answer completes the general approach that I suggest is appropriate in constitutional scholarship," he wrote. "My answer, in brief, is to make an explicitly political judgment: which result is, in the circumstances now existing, likely to advance the cause of socialism?"

And there you have it. Legislate from the bench to advance socialism.

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-13 10:22 AM | Reply

The United States Constitution was ratified in 1788, the Bill of Rights in 1791. The Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation which had previously organized the separate states in a confederation which could not tax people directly or raise an army on its own. There was much opposition to this change, and those who were opposed feared a tyranny.

The Supreme Court was an institution of the original constitution. Its job was to take up cases that could not be decided in the state courts– disputes with foreign states or their dignitaries, disputes between states, and the like. Since there was no Bill of Rights, there was nothing much to interpret. Roberts has correctly noted that SCOTUS will never help people because that is no such constitutional mandate. Only public protests can limit twelve hour work days and deliver safer workplaces or decent healthcare and wages.

Under the Constitution the state is a tyranny without a tyrant, a blind beast, a bureaucracy. Empty elections are merely a disguise. Who believes in a system that can be defeated by a few Facebook ads? Most of our taxes go for military hardware, which is force, the characteristic method of rule by a tyrant. Whatever is left over goes to grease economic output that can be taxed. It's analogous to pig slop. The United States is a blind tyrant that acts only to increase its force, and uses that force indiscriminately to no purpose other than its increase, it is led around by the nose and used for the purposes of others. (Michael Doliner)

www.counterpunch.org

SCOTUS gets the last word in all things. They will never agree to dissolve themselves.

#15 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-13 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The culture wars are over; they lost, we won."

Riiiight!. Abortion on demand still exists. Gay marriage is the law of the land in all 50 states. Civil Rights for minorities are guaranteed even though the liars on the right try to undermine that. Look around, go outside, and tell me we lost; we are winning every decade. More personal freedom, less power for religion, etc. Eventually the right will lose so much power it will cease to exist, probably right after most of those on the right die. Which actually isn't that far off in the future. The Tea Party will soon be a bad memory, a terrible time in America when mobs got power. See that, we can use the word "mob" too. The Tea Party is a "mob." The SC was intended to rein in the likes of the Tea Party. Because of it's political activism it isn't doing its job properly.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-13 10:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"SCOTUS gets the last word in all things. They will never agree to dissolve themselves."

The House of Representatives is Constitutionally granted the right to make the rules for the SC. We need to gain the majority in the House and make new rules for the court, including how many members are on the court. That we allow ourselves to be governed by nine people with lifetime appointments is absolutely ridiculous.
Quite honestly, Marbury vs. Madison needs to be overturned. The people should be able to make the laws for a nation of 350 million people; not nine political appointees. The Supreme Court should decide cases not laws. When they exceed their authority as in corporate personhood the Congress should have the power to, by majority vote, throw all of the justices out on their ears.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-13 10:33 AM | Reply

If they don't get to be team captain, the left's response is to take the ball home:

Taking the ball home = Not giving Garland a hearing

Picking up the game board and throwing it on the ground = Electing Trump

So spare me the childish metaphors, you have no room to speak

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-13 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The SCOTUS still serves a vital role.
It overturns laws passed by a representative democracy that violate the constitution.
This restrains the worst impulses of the mob.
Imagine what laws the many right wing majorities would have passed without out fearing SCOTUS.
There would have been AIDS camps, state religions etc.

#19 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-13 10:51 AM | Reply

"The culture wars are over; they lost, we won."

Riiiight!. Abortion on demand still exists...."

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. The law professor was asserting that when he expected Clinton to win.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-13 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How does a right-wing Republican majority in the U.S. Senate get to pass a militantly anti-democratic and sexist, partisan hack through to the highest court in the land when majority U.S. public opinion stands well to the left of the widely hated GOP and Kavanaugh on numerous key policy issues, including union rights, affirmative action, environmental regulation, campaign finance, abortion, the need for viable third and fourth parties, gun control, same-sex marriage, taxation, and more?

This can happen because the absurdly venerated U.S. Constitution assigns two U.S. Senators to each U.S. state regardless of differences in population. A preposterous apportionment system means that the Republican Senate majority answers to a very disproportionately white, rural, and reactionary section of the electorate. Due to "a growing population shift from the agricultural interior to crowded corridors along the coast,it is mathematically possible now to cobble together a Senate majority with states that account for just 17.6% of the popular vote.(Paul Street)

#21 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-13 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--the absurdly venerated U.S. Constitution

Yeah, the left hates the constitution. What else is new?

Meanwhile, much of the rest of the world wishes it had constitutional government, a bill of rights, and 200 years of peaceful transfers of power.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-13 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"--the absurdly venerated U.S. Constitution
Yeah, the left hates the constitution. What else is new?"

The left has always hated the parts of the Constitution that are only there to protect the institution of slavery. Today slavery is over but the right still uses their advantage, in the Senate, to prevent the same progress enjoyed by nearly every single other modern nation on the planet. It is anachronistic and evil. We need a modern Constitution that reinforces the concept of one man - one vote.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-13 11:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

--It is anachronistic and evil. We need a modern Constitution that reinforces the concept of one man - one vote.

Proving my point. The left wants to tear up the constitution and the federal republic for a centralized state. You guys should put that in the Democrat platform.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-13 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 -should put that in the Democrat platform.

Too many words. They're down to one word policies now; chaos, scream, tantrum, mob.

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-13 11:32 AM | Reply

Nulli doesn't get it, as usual. We already have a centralized State, a bureaucracy of tyranny with no tyrant in sight. Why? Because a wealthy Oligarchy always wanted to have more say than the majority. Our Government blindly seeks to use its power to increase its power which then directs all discretionary spending into weapons of mass destruction instead of improving our infrastructure and standard of living. It doesn't matter that computers are cheaper than ever when houses have gone from $10,000 to $1 million and strawberries from 10 cents a cup to $3.

#26 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-13 11:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Proving my point. The left wants to tear up the constitution and the federal republic for a centralized state.

Did you just pick any old post to quote before throwing out that gem?

There's valid arguments on both sides of the EC issue as it's no longer an institution that balances power.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-13 12:12 PM | Reply

It's job is to check "democratic governance" when it moves towards mob rule.

Granted, that's likely a double edged sword as we'll see in the coming years.

#8 | Posted by jpw

We are a republic!!!!!!

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-10-13 12:45 PM | Reply

SCOTUS gets the last word in all things. They will never agree to dissolve themselves.

#15 | Posted by bayviking

They can't. They don't have the power. Ever read the constitution?

Article III.

Section 1

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The udges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

#29 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-10-13 12:50 PM | Reply

We are a republic!!!!!!

#28 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Way to miss the point to state the obvious.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-13 02:02 PM | Reply

Actually its the Constitution that needs to be cancelled. It was designed to guarantee Oligarchy rule with the electoral college, gerrymandering, private money in elections, enabling total destruction of the environment.

The Constitution's Article V mandates that two-thirds of both the Senate and the House plus three-fourths of the states must agree before any constitutional changes can be made, no matter how small. That gives thirteen states representing just 4.4% of the country the power to block amendments designed to introduce any democratic reform for the common good.

Do you think the Koch Brothers, the Mercers and their ilk can raise enough money and influence to keep thirteen disproportionately white states on board with eco-cidal oligarchy and top-down class rule? Good luck fixing the fantasy we live under.

#31 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-13 05:22 PM | Reply

--Actually its the Constitution that needs to be cancelled.

Please put that in the Democrat platform.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-13 05:24 PM | Reply

- Actually its the Constitution that needs to be cancelled.

I have to admit, it's the quickest route to civil war.

Of course, antifa would be all dead by day two.

Which leaves the Corky's and Danni's of this revolution without cover.

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-13 05:29 PM | Reply

"Actually its the Constitution that needs to be cancelled."

And that's what Putin would say.

#34 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-13 07:49 PM | Reply

"Actually its the Constitution that needs to be cancelled."
And that's what Putin would say.

#34 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2018-10-13 07:49 PM | REPLY

Its what the republicans are trying to do. As of today 26 republican led states have signed on for a Constitutional Convention so they can rip it up and rewrite it without all those namby pamby soshulist things like equal protection under the law and a mission statement that says the reason it exists is to ensure the general welfare of the nation.

#35 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-10-13 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You need help! ------- crazy doesn't come close to your delusions ...

#36 | Posted by Gr8Music at 2018-10-13 09:57 PM | Reply

"Actually its the Constitution that needs to be cancelled."

Well the Emoluments Clause sure isn't in effect.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-13 09:58 PM | Reply

You need help! ------- crazy doesn't come close to your delusions ...

#36 | POSTED BY GR8MUSIC AT 2018-10-13 09:57 PM | REPLY

www.thedailybeast.com

#38 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-10-13 10:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I know that. From a historical perspective SCOTUS was boring until it usurped powers that formerly belonged to congress. McConnell killing the Garland nomination never should have been necessary if SCOTUS was properly limited. Same applies for the Kavanaugh war, which tilted the court only slightly more to the right.
I love it how you treat things as if they're in a vacuum.

The GOP was obstructing EVERYTHING. EVERY. SINGLE. THING.
So? That's just like #TheResistance. It's what opposition parties do. I am applying a consistent standard. You, on the other hand, are not. The Democrats are in the minority. I expect them to act like the opposition party.
They declared their absolute opposition to everything Obama the moment he took office. Am I pleased that the Dems nuked the filibuster? Hell no. But I put blame where it fully lies-on the GOP who showed even less respect for the will of the electorate (and still do, BTW...) than the Dems ever dreamed of showing.
Republicans wanted to go nuclear for the same reason that Dems pulled the trigger. The GOP didn't do it. Certain people get pissed when certain others proclaim the 2 parties are exactly the same...Dems went nuclear after the GOP averted doing the same.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-10-13 02:07 AM | REPLY

Looks to me like JeffJ proves right here that he doesn't believe in the Constitution.

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-13 10:24 PM | Reply

www.commoncause.org

With the help and endorsement of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a corporate lobbying group masquerading as a charity, the Article V BBA campaign has gained steam in the last eight years. Most convention proponents now agree that 28 states have "live" calls for a BBA convention (i.e. where the state has not passed a rescission to nullify an earlier call); that means they are just six states shy of the constitutionally required 34 applications.

#40 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-10-13 10:26 PM | Reply

"Wahhhhhhhh
I'm taking my ball and going home"
~the post Kavanaugh left

#41 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-10-14 12:41 AM | Reply

I'm taking my ball and going home"
~the post Kavanaugh left

#41 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU

Would you continue to believe in a rigged game?

In any case, I'd avoid calling this the view of the "left". Unless there's evidence that this view is more widespread than one article.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2018-10-14 02:30 AM | Reply

A certain segment of the left.

I spent the better part of 8 years trying to convince Republicans to have a better attitude during President Obama.

But my Democratic friends are making them, including birthers, look sane by comparison!

Find a therapist.
Read some distant history.
Get some perspective.

Then join our mostly sane nation.

#43 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-10-14 07:59 AM | Reply

What will you abortoaddicts going to do when RBG dies under a Republican majority Senate with President Trump in office.

#44 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-10-14 08:45 AM | Reply

-- Read some distant history.

Great idea, but the younger generations don't read, and when they do, it's more likely to be Harry Potter than Thucydides.

#45 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-14 09:15 AM | Reply

A healthy majority of Americans want to strengthen Social Security, establish medicare for all, improve school funding, make college free for qualified applicants, raise minimum wages and impose a progressive system of taxation. They also want to improve our infrastructure, drink clean water and breath clean air. Although they will never be asked Americans would undoubtedly appreciate more affordable housing and energy costs. It may not occur to many Americans either that the tremendous wealth technology and capitalism produces has been largely captured by the finance, insurance and real estate industries. Globalization and free market worship serves only to concentrate wealth into fewer and fewer hands so that in America today 8 people own as much wealth as the poorest half of our population (~175 million people). For most of its 300 year life the Federal Government operated exclusively on tariffs, which protected emerging industries.

An Oligarchy decided to impose globalization on the masses, at great cost to the standard of living of the masses. Since then most Americans have tried to maintain their standard of living by having more jobs and going deeper into debt.

The ONLY thing that Trump has done to improve this situation is impose some tariffs, which can only help in the long term if lost manufacturing capacity in the USA is restored. In every other respect Trump has made everything worse. Trump lives in an alternate fact free reality, lies incessantly and has the attention of 22% of the population, which is enough to win in a system deliberately designed for minority rule, when Republican cheating is thrown in for good measure.

So the USA is ruled by a moron now, who believes Saudi Arabia, Israel and Poland are our most important allies. Our only saving grace is that he is also incompetent and therefore only able to achieve about 25% of his goals. He would not have succeeded in any of his programs but for the
machinations of seasoned Republicans waiting in the wings for this moment when they control every branch of Government.

The pernicious cycle of boom and bust which forms the entire history of American capitalism is driven by forces largely outside the control of any US President. Most people have no clue what sound economic policy is since the purpose of our Government is to support an elite minority and advocates of that minority enjoy monopoly communication rights to confuse the public, filling their minds with falsehoods. This technique is costly, but less costly than the continuous application of brute force.

#46 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-14 10:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"You guys should put that in the Democrat platform."

God damned right we should. If you don't believe in one man one vote than just say so. I trust the people, why don't you?

#47 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 10:33 AM | Reply

America went to war in Afghanistan and then in Iraq because of 9-11 even though the Iraquis had absolutely no part in it. We lost 3000 citizens on 9-11. Does it ever occur to conservatives that we lost 58,000 citizens in Vietnam or that we lost 4000 in Iraq. Seems to me that Richard Nixon and George W. Bush should be seen as the real terrorists. They did far more harm to this nation than Bin Laden even dreamed of doing.

#48 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-14 10:50 AM | Reply

If you don't believe in one man one vote than just say so. I trust the people, why don't you?
#47 | POSTED BY DANNI

Because you're one of them for starters.

The society I've seen you describe would collapse in a year. maybe less.

#49 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-14 11:23 AM | Reply

If the shoe was on the other foot the headlines on huffmyshorts would scream:
TRUMPERS HATE THE SCOTUS AND THE CONSTITUTION!!

#50 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2018-10-14 03:51 PM | Reply

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