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Thursday, October 11, 2018

Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley wants the American public to stop fooling itself when it comes to war, so he's drawn up five "myths" he says we need to let go of, pronto. Milley shared his thesis with an audience at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., and his take on it has evolved since he first started speaking about four slightly different myths of warfare back in 2015.

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Army Chief of Staff Mark Milley's 5 Myths:

1. Wars will be short.
2. You can win wars from afar.
3. Special Forces can do it all.
4. Armies are easy to create.
5. Armies fight wars.

#1 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-10-11 05:43 PM | Reply

FTA: "Following years of drawing down troop numbers, the Army this year received the go-ahead from Congress to grow its total force back to over one million. Reaching that number is doable, Milley said, but you can't just dial up an effective force at the drop of a hat."

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-10-11 05:46 PM | Reply

Learn to love me and assemble the ways
Now, today, tomorrow, and always.
My only weakness is a listed crime,
But last night the plans for a future war was all I saw on Channel Four.

Shoplifters of the world
Unite and take over.
Shoplifters of the world
Hand it over, hand it over, hand it over.

--The Smiths, Shoplifters of the World, Unite, Louder than Bombs, 1987.

But last night the plans for a future war was all I saw on Channel Four.

#3 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-10-11 05:55 PM | Reply

Bring back the draft.

First people we draft are college Republicans ... youtu.be

#4 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 07:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bring back the draft.
First people we draft are college Republicans ... youtu.be

#4 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

I say the first people we draft are college Democrats! So, BOO!

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:53 PM | Reply

War is stupid.

Its proponents are stupid.

#6 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-10-11 07:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

3. Special Forces can do it all.
4. Armies are easy to create.

#1 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

How many people understand that the U.S. has more special forces soldiers than Great Britain has for an entire army.

Why is this important to know?

Because special forces soldiers are expensive (recruiting, screening, training, equipment, etc.) ...

Draftees are less expensive, and due to the general overall lack of careerism, they keep the system honest (whistleblowers).

We currently have the best trained, most professional military ever, but while it wins every battle, we now lose every war.

Plus, a draft reconnects our military and foreign policy with the public, which has become apathetic but is all for cheap "we support the troops" rhetoric.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Translation: be very scared, the only cure for which is to give us more money. You'd think Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria would have humbled these abysmal failures in military leadership.

#8 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-11 08:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Congrats to the warhawk dems and their bipartisan ties to the profiteers and peddlers of death and destruction.

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-11 09:08 PM | Reply

Congrats to the warhawk dems and their bipartisan ties to the profiteers and peddlers of death and destruction.

#9 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Ever heard of Vice President Dick Cheny and the no-bid defense contracts to his former company Halliburton?

How about Jimmy Carter having the cajones to shelf the B1 Bomber program, only to have Ronnie Raygun bring it back to benefit his California defense contractor pals?

Now Trump is ramping up DoD spending to Cold War Era levels to continue enriching his billionaire douchebag buddies at taxpayer expense.

But I get it -- it's all the Democrats fault, especially Hillary who planned it all the micro-second she was conceived (Hillary is sneaky, dontcha know!).

You're a Hack

#10 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 09:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ever heard of Vice President Dick Cheny and the no-bid defense contracts to his former company Halliburton?

The "no-bid" thing is such a red herring. The bidding occurred during the Clinton administration and the theory behind one supplier for contract work (singular accountability when things go wrong, ease of billing, a lack of finger-pointing (that responsibility was for company x made sense. So, when Team Bush went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, Halliburton was already established via the Clinton administration.

How about Jimmy Carter having the cajones to shelf the B1 Bomber program, only to have Ronnie Raygun bring it back to benefit his California defense contractor pals?

This is a legitimate criticism IMO.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 09:27 PM | Reply

I wish one of the major parties was anti-war. One seems less hawkish, but is still a hawk.

#12 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-10-11 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The "no-bid" thing is such a red herring. The bidding occurred during the Clinton administration and the theory behind one supplier for contract work (singular accountability when things go wrong, ease of billing, a lack of finger-pointing (that responsibility was for company x made sense. So, when Team Bush went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, Halliburton was already established via the Clinton administration.

The planning started before Clinton.

The ground work was layed when Cheney was SecDef for Old Man Bush when the decision was made to reduce the active duty force after Desert Storm ...

The career fields and MOS's hit the hardest were mostly support functions and non-trigger pullers that would be taken over by the defense contractors with the usual exorbitant mark up costs.

#13 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 10:00 PM | Reply

I wish one of the major parties was anti-war. One seems less hawkish, but is still a hawk.

#12 | POSTED BY HAMBURGLAR

I agree with you.

#14 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 10:01 PM | Reply

#13

So, it spans multiple administrations, including Democrat's, yet it's exclusive to the GOP?

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 10:02 PM | Reply

So, it spans multiple administrations, including Democrat's, yet it's exclusive to the GOP?

#15 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

See Hamburglar's post # 12

Plus, who always gets the blame for "being weak" on military matters?

Yet I'm showing you very clearly that while Clinton got the blame for the military downsizing during the 1990's, it started with Old Man Bush and Cheney.

#16 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 10:08 PM | Reply

Serious question Pinch:

How many of your patients have seen atrocities by ISIS/Al Queda/Boko Haram, etc? How many have lost limbs, mobility, sight or their lives from IEDs?

To make it simpler, how many bad people or regimes have hurt your Vets (and don't default to the "US Government" as your response.)

I'll be back later.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-11 10:10 PM | Reply

It started with Old Man Bush and Cheney...

Which Cheney would later profit from.

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 10:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Serious question Pinch:

How many of your patients have seen atrocities by ISIS/Al Queda/Boko Haram, etc? How many have lost limbs, mobility, sight or their lives from IEDs?

To make it simpler, how many bad people or regimes have hurt your Vets (and don't default to the "US Government" as your response.)

I'll be back later.

#17 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Serious response -

All of them -- as in ISIS/Al Queda/Boko Haram, etc.

If your point is we shouldn't question why we fight, then I disagree.

If we're going to go to war, the reasons for doing so HAVE to stand the test of time -- since Dec 7, 1941 they haven't, and that's the U.S. Government's fault.

#19 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 10:23 PM | Reply

AFTER Dec 7, 1941 they haven't, and that's the U.S. Government's fault...

#20 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 10:27 PM | Reply

according to RoC people aren't supposed to defend their homeland when foreigners invade them.

according to sheep its not the GOP that starts wars, its the Dems, so Bush was a Dem, who woulda thought. This should not be interpreted as an endorsement of Democratic violence, which is real and unjustified.

#21 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-11 11:00 PM | Reply

Ever since the Gulf War, we've stopped interviewing the soldiers who fight the wars, and instead we interview the machines.

As the value of human life approaches zero, machines will become the new heroes.

#22 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-10-12 12:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

according to RoC people aren't supposed to defend their homeland when foreigners invade them.

People appreciate your point more when, well, it is valid.

All of those groups have attacked people outside of their "territory", such as it is, and don't have a "homeland".

Try again.

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-12 12:58 AM | Reply

No matter how sanctimonious you feel about your cause. .. when your enemy straps bombs to its own children the commitment is such, you're not going to win that war.

#24 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-12 02:15 AM | Reply

Japan thought that suicide bomber kids in airplanes were scary enough that America would never dare touch their Islands.

Lol wrong.

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2018-10-12 02:34 AM | Reply

when your enemy straps bombs to its own children the commitment is such, you're not going to win that war.

#24 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE AT 2018-10-12 02:15 AM | FLAG:

Suicide attacks are, at minimum, 250 years old. It has never won anybody a war.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-10-12 07:57 AM | Reply

"It has never won anybody a war."

That's not his point.

#30 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-10-12 08:08 AM | Reply

His unintended point is that if you firebomb them enough, you can win.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-10-12 09:01 AM | Reply

apan thought that suicide bomber kids in airplanes were scary enough that America would never dare touch their Islands.
Lol wrong.

#25 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2018-10-12 02:34 AM | REPLY | FLAG:IGNORANT

Oh yeah the ol nuke em to glass b.s.

Not what I am saying ... ya see suicide bombers are young adults. DOH. and young adults not children were operating those bombers and quite frankly the D-Day is the celebration of the US sending its youth on a suicide mission and there is no way to get around that.... especially if you were leading the charge.

#32 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-10-12 09:03 AM | Reply

After reading the article, I came away with an uneasy feeling that our armed forces are preparing for an offensive posture...with Russia, China and North Korea in the crosshairs. The preparation is couched not in a sense of "if" but the goal of "when" these attacks will happen.

Of course, much of it could be propaganda, but the amount of money about to be unleashed to our military is staggering. Beginning with an additional $61 Billion this year for a total of $700 Billion dollars.

www.npr.org

#33 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-10-12 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I came away with an uneasy feeling that our armed forces are preparing for an offensive posture

#33 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2018-10-12 09:49 AM | FLAG:

An offensive posture is the point. Battles are won by offensive mobility. Read Hart, the Indirect Approach to Warfare.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-10-12 09:52 AM | Reply

In any case, it can be said with a high degree of certainty that the US has taken over Great Britain's hegemonic role in the world's affairs. And any hope of an enduring peace with other competing nations is nil. I'd like to think it's for maintaining secure shipping routes for our allies merchant marine, but wonder what could possibly be won by destroying Iran and North Korea, and cowing Russia and China from importing their share of the raw materials they need to survive and grow.

#35 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-10-12 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I came away with an uneasy feeling that our armed forces are preparing for an offensive posture...with Russia, China and North Korea in the crosshairs"

This is what Trump means by MAGA. In his view we were better during the Cold War when we were generally more united in the fear of nuclear annihilation.

#36 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-10-12 09:57 AM | Reply

I hope there are enough civil servants still around to curb our elected leaders' appetite for Lebensraum, should the day come that it becomes policy.

#37 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-10-12 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23,RoC is delusional as usual,

Even if what RoC said were true there is no reason to think it is since it contains nothing specific which could ever be verified.

The simple truth is the dominant invading force throughout the world is the USA. The largest military budget, the greatest collection of hi-tech weapons of mass destruction and yet persistently defeated by starving peasants, who will endure any suffering to defend their homeland from the USA. The US military is a scourge against all decent human values and the greatest single danger to a sustainable economy in the world. It destroyed Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria without achieving a single purported goal. Only if the total destruction of civilized infrastructure and the wasting of millions of innocent lives is a measure of success can it be viewed as a success. But after all that waste not a single stated objective was accomplished.

#38 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-12 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein

#39 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-12 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#38 - Q: Who benefits?

#40 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-10-12 12:30 PM | Reply

#23,RoC is delusional as usual.

Even if what RoC said were true there is no reason to think it is since it contains nothing specific which could ever be verified.

Looks like someone needs to consult a dictionary before using words they don't understand:

de·lu·sion·al

dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl
adjective

characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

If what I said is true but you can see no reason for you to to think that it is true, by the very definition of the term you are the one that is delusional.

Time to go back into therapy Nutcase.

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-12 12:42 PM | Reply

RoC should read Eric Fromm's "The Sane Society" to understand how accepting conventional wisdom inside the USA is a sign of a mental disorder.

That aside, as usual RoC reverts to diversionary argument and name calling instead of addressing the issue at hand. Because the facts are against him, its best to never discuss any facts.

#42 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-12 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BayNutVikingCase-

Talk about never discussing facts when they were against you, I remind you that you were the one calling me delusional and didn't address the central point I made, namely that terrorist organizations like Al Queda, ISIS and Boko Harum don't have a "homeland".

Couple that with taking a position that is admittedly contradicted by reality and that's where the dictionary definition comes into play.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-12 04:12 PM | Reply

OK, I'm at lest following your point now. Unfortunately, it too is delusional, because Al Qaida is a creation of Brezinski's war against Russia in Afghanistan, further aggravated by our military presence in the Middle East. ISIS is a creation of Bush's invasion of Iraq. The CIA calls these unintended consequences "blowback". We armed both these groups and trained Al Qaida.

Chad might be funding Boco Harum? Its a horrible story. The US, France and China have their fingerprints over the region, because of oil. It a cinch Trump doesn't care about the violence.

At least you had enough sense to not include the Taliban with those groups.

#44 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-13 01:06 AM | Reply

Military Industrial Complex propaganda.

"The Forever War" is here.

#45 | Posted by shane at 2018-10-13 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At least you had enough sense to not include the Taliban with those groups.

Of course not, they actually ran a country. The point is not delusional, those groups named are all transnational regardless of how they were "created"...the idea of an Islamic Caliphate is over a thousand years old, as is the Sunni/Shia conflict. The seeds of all this long predate the Ottoman Empire and were exacerbated by the arbitrary boundaries imposed by the Sykes-Picot Agreement.

To partisanly lay the blame on two GOP administrations actions since the mid 1980s betrays your lack of knowledge of the history of the Middle East.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-10-13 01:39 PM | Reply

"partisanly"

That's a word?

Sounds like the name for bottled water.

#47 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-13 03:13 PM | Reply

I would never lay all our problems on the GOP. They are, however, the academic/philosophical center of our problems. They are in charge of a disciplined, made for TV talking points, to keep the population confused. They are so blatant about their contempt for ordinary people that their initiatives get little support. Democrats then present themselves as a more humane alternative while actually supporting the same donors as the Republicans. Bill Clinton undid most of the New Deal, ended welfare as we knew it and was preparing to slash social security when a blue dress got in the way. Which leaves me wondering, why would Monica save that blue dress unless she was working all the time for the Republicans?

Still every time the Republicans are in charge everything spins completely out of control giving the Democrats another chance. They are in some sense a clean-up team following the wrecking crew.

What followed under Barack Obama was the standard "elite" neoliberal manipulation of campaign populism and identity politics in service to the reigning big-money bankrollers and their global empire. Obama's refusal to investigate or prosecute the crimes of Bush/Cheney and the financial community guarantee a repeat.

The reigning U.S. system of corporate and imperial "inverted totalitarianism" was given a deadly, fake-democratic re-branding. The underlying "rightward drift" sharpened, fed by a widespread and easily Republican-exploited sense of popular abandonment and betrayal, as the Democrats depressed and demobilized their own purported popular base.

NOTHING is as it appears on the TV.

#48 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-13 06:14 PM | Reply

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