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Wednesday, October 10, 2018

First lady Melania Trump said victims who make accusations of sexual misconduct "need to have really hard evidence" in a recently taped interview, echoing a statement she made in October 2016 amid allegations against her husband. "If you accuse (someone) of something, show the evidence," Trump said in a sit-down interview with ABC News that took place in Kenya last week during her first major solo trip to Africa.

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Maybe women should carry a 'black box' that continuously records audio to use in a trial.

#1 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-10 02:40 PM | Reply

100k payments to silence them is one piece of evidence

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-10-10 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"What evidence is good enough for sexual assault?"

Depends on the social status and citcumstances of who's being accused, and who's doing the accusing. Are they criminal lowlifes, untrustworthy kids, or upstanding adult members of the community?

Consider the constellation of facts surrounding Larry Nasser and the Central Park Five for more details.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-10 03:37 PM | Reply

Consider the constellation of facts surrounding Larry Nasser
#3 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Good one. now do the Kav constellation.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-10 03:41 PM | Reply

Or the Duke Lacrosse team..

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2018-10-10 05:47 PM | Reply

I can't believe you guys haven't done Bill Clinton yet! Because it illustrates perfectly what I'm saying. Even better than Bart & His Blue Devils.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-10 06:04 PM | Reply

What defense is sufficient?

Bitches be cray cray.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-10 06:40 PM | Reply

Posting some pictures would be nice.

#8 | Posted by patron at 2018-10-10 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I would say having any actual evidence? Hearsay in an 11th hour smear campaign is right out, though.

#9 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-10-10 07:36 PM | Reply

Depends. What color are the accuser and the accused?

#10 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2018-10-10 07:42 PM | Reply

Hearsay in an 11th hour smear campaign is right out, though.

#9 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

Actually, it's not Hearsay if its a prior consistent statement to defend against a claim of recent fabrication.

But seriously,
How about a Polygraph?
How about the victim testifying under oath?
How people corroborating that she told them the same story years and years ago?
How about the accused caught lying about multiple parts of the incident?
How about multiple witnesses claiming this is consistent with the accused's behavior when drinking?

Just kidding. We know that's not good enough for you still.

#11 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-10 08:00 PM | Reply

What Evidence Is Good Enough for Sexual Assault?

any evidence would be a good start

#12 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-10-10 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There is little reason to believe anything Trump says, which is always self serving and changes constantly. Kavanaugh apologists continue to turn a blind eye to corroborating evidence:

10. Brett Kavanaugh admitted he knew Christine Ford and acknowledged the credibility of her claims to have been sexually assaulted, but denies it was him. 9. Kavanaugh's own speeches corroborate Dr.Ford's claim that he was the kind of person who could get wildly drunk and aggressive. 8. Ford told her therapist and four people who gave four affidavits, over the last 6 years. This establishes that her story was not made up last minute. 7. Yale roommates and friends of Kavanaugh have corroborated that Kavanaugh was a terrible, angry drunk. 6. Kavanaugh's Yearbook Entries provide corroboration to Ford's account of his heavy drinking and rotten treatment of women. 5. There is no evidence that Dr. Ford, who passed a polygraph, is a liar. 4. Mark Judge and Kavanaugh were best friends and Judge's book,"Wasted" was presented as AA recovery step. He has presented them as accounts of his life and includes a Kavanaugh. 3. Mark Judge's ex-girlfriend, Elizabeth Rasor, corroborated criminal sexual assault when she recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman. 2. In two other allegations, Deborah Ramirez and Julie Swetnick have told powerful stories of having been assaulted by Kavanaugh themselves. In all three cases, heavy drinking was involved. 1. The July 1 entry, in Kavanaugh's own calendar, puts Kavanaugh with Judge, P.J. (whom Ford has named as at the party), Squi (whom Blasey Ford says she was going out with at that time), and a few other boys. They were drinking (as Kavanaugh admitted "skis" meant in the hearings). It fits the timeline of six to eight weeks before Ford could have run into Judge at a grocery store later that summer.

Maverik is lying just like Trump does constantly.

#13 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-10 10:05 PM | Reply

AS a general rule testimony of the victim alone is insufficient grounds for prosecution. But that's how they gave Cosby 3-10 years. Cosby had 30 accusers. Trump has about 18. Kavanaugh at least three.

#14 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-10 10:13 PM | Reply

Viking,

If you think any of that actually corroborates Dr. Ford's story, I have a bridge to sell you.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-10 10:41 PM | Reply

"AS a general rule testimony of the victim alone is insufficient grounds for prosecution. "

And people wonder why they don't report it.

Meanwhile, it's sufficient grounds for prosecution of just about any other crime.
People still can't figure it out.

I bet half these Kavanaugh supporters were assaulted themselves.
And they never told anyone.

People still can't figure it out.
They must be very, very scared.
Honestly they are victims in this too.
That doesn't excuse their covering it up, but they are victims too.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-10 10:44 PM | Reply

Maverik is lying just like Trump does constantly.

#13 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2018-10-10 10:05 PM | REPLY: I guess you did not notice the only actual FACT she could provide was that she had one beer. Did not remember what year it occurred, what house, who was there, etc. FACTS are needed if one wants to assert an allegation. PLUS, he has not even been consistent on her 'story'.

Christine Blasey Ford's changing Kavanaugh assault story leaves her short on credibility www.usatoday.com

#17 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-10-10 10:46 PM | Reply

he has not even been consistent on her 'story' corrected to read 'She has not even been consistent on her 'story'

#18 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-10-10 10:47 PM | Reply

She has not even been consistent on her 'story'

#18 | POSTED BY MSGT

So how come the FBI didn't question her? Lying to the FBI is a federal crime. That would have been easy.

Lock her up! Right?

They knew she wasn't lying so that wouldn't work.

Destroying her credibility was the only option. I wouldn't have believed that US Senators would resort to doing such a thing to an innocent American who thought she was doing the right thing. They were obviously desperate.

Republicans have proved me wrong again.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-10 10:56 PM | Reply

jj needs a lesson in english

corroborate: to make more certain; confirm

Detectives investigating a crime first get those involved to make a statement and then seek to verify the truth of the witnesses statement. So far nothing has materialized which contradicts Ford's statements, although Trump and his usful gang of idiots would like you to believe otherwise.

As third parties, we know these things for certain: Ford, Judge and Kavanaugh ran around with the same crowd in high school and knew each other. Either Ford made a correct allegation or she is lying, but she could not be mistaken of her assailant's identity. Ford had trouble in school after the attack but eventually returned and earned a PhD in psychology. Ford spent her life outside partisan DC politics in academia. We have little or no reason to believe she is lying, but not 100%. Kavanaugh is a Republican political operative who worked very hard at destroying Bill Clinton under Ken Starr. We know Kavanaugh lied repeatedly during the hearing regarding the meaning of entries in his yearbook and calendar. We know Kavanaugh drank excessively and repeatedly throughout high school and college and that he often became belligerent and sometimes too drunk to remember anything. We know Kavanaugh stands to benefit from lying about this matter. The entries on July 1, 1982 are entirely consistent with the event in which Ford alleges she was attacked by Kavanaugh with 100% certainty. The FBI has not conducted a thorough investigation.

Old cases are difficult to prosecute and a prosecutor would probably not want to try this case. That's what happened in the Cosby case when it as reported immediately. Later, it became politically expedient to prosecute that case. There is a similar amount of first hand testimony against Trump, but no political will.

#20 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-10 11:20 PM | Reply

#17, msgt,

Are you deaf? Ford stated she was 100% certain Kavanaugh was the person who attacked her in front of Judge. She named all or most of the other people she claimed were at the party, which turned out to be consistent with one entry in Kavanaugh's calendar. There is no reason to think she has ever seen Kavanaugh's calendar. She knows the neighborhood she grew up in but doesn't remember which house the event took place in. This would not be unusual for anyone before they begin riving themselves. She was 15, below the legal driving age.

#21 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-10 11:29 PM | Reply

Ford stated she was 100% certain Kavanaugh was the person who attacked her in front of Judge. She named all or most of the other people she claimed were at the party, which turned out to be consistent with one entry in Kavanaugh's calendar. - Bayviking

Ford testified that the party was very close to the Country Club.

The party on the calendar was 11 miles away from the Country Club.

Further - the scant architectural details she gave didn't match the location on Kavanaugh's calendar (townhouse). Going further still, neither Ford or Keyser's name were listed on that calendar entry and a couple of names were mentioned on that entry that were absent from her account. Senator Whitehouse was first to float this theory and it's been thoroughly debunked.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-10 11:41 PM | Reply

"The party on the calendar was 11 miles away from the Country Club."

Seriously bro? He's already been confirmed. You are convincing no one of anything with your "analysis".

The FBI was the agency that could have determined who was telling the truth. Humpy and his deplorable senate made sure that would never be.

It is no use beating that dead horse. Only a true investigation could have resolved this. Instead all it did was divide us even more.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-10-10 11:51 PM | Reply

I'm not the one beating the dead horse, Donner.

Take it up with our resident Viking who hangs around the bay.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-10 11:52 PM | Reply

#22, 11 miles??? so what? she was too young to drive.... why do I even bother with you idiots.,,, even when I make a point you do not read it or comprehend it... I'm repeating myself for no reason... goodbye

#25 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-10 11:55 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Wow you're a ------- moron for trusting the fabricated calendar. His behavior alone is enough to make any reasonable person believe he's guilty. "BUT HIS CALENDAR!!! 😭😭😭"

#26 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-10 11:58 PM | Reply

#22, 11 miles??? so what? she was too young to drive.... why do I even bother with you idiots.,,, even when I make a point you do not read it or comprehend it... I'm repeating myself for no reason... goodbye

#25 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

If you watched her testimony a map was provided and she testified to the radius of where the house resided. The calendar entry in question pinpointed a location that was at least 10 miles away but she indicated the house was a short walk from the country club.

goodbye

Convenient. Don't run away. Let's establish and agree on the facts.

Wow you're a ------- moron for trusting the fabricated calendar....
#26 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2018-10-10 11:58 PM |

Lemme guess - you urinate on the diary of Anne Frank.

You are such a one-trick pathetic hack. Your trolling is, quite frankly, boring. Comrade/inbred/confederate/Klansman - get some new material.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 12:14 AM | Reply

--You are such a one-trick pathetic hack. Your trolling is, quite frankly, boring. Comrade/inbred/confederate/Klansman - get some new material.

And what's worse, those are his good points!

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-11 12:20 AM | Reply

"Ford testified that the party was very close to the Country Club.
The party on the calendar was 11 miles away from the Country Club."

These statement aren't contradictory.
Unless you have some way of demonstrating 11 miles can't ever be considered "very close."
Which you don't.

I live very close to the Mexico border.
Wanna guess how far away it is?

"Further - the scant architectural details she gave didn't match the location on Kavanaugh's calendar (townhouse)."
Unless you have a picture of the house on Kavanaugh's calendar, that's just supposition.
Do you have a picture of the house on Kavanaugh's calendar?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 12:50 AM | Reply

So as long as an attacker makes sure there are no witnesses and is careful not to leave any DNA behind, all women are fair game because they won't be able to prove it.

Innocent until proven guilty for the attacker
Liar until proven true for the victim
Non-reporting because of "---- shaming"

Yeah, that sounds like "justice".

#30 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-10-11 01:26 AM | Reply

Jeez - absolutely ANY evidence would be helpful. Even telling your BFF at the time would help.

The #MeAccusation movement is totally out of hand and must be corrected (although it will be fun when all the rappers are accused)!

#31 | Posted by Gr8Music at 2018-10-11 07:19 AM | Reply

What Evidence Is Good Enough for Sexual Assault?

Well for starters, women should cover themselves with fingerprint dust, wear a GoPro at all times, and insert a dye pack into their vagina that will explode if they get raped.

And even then, depending on who's being accused, you'd probably still have people like JeffJ questioning the motives of the accuser.

#32 | Posted by joe at 2018-10-11 08:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Even telling your BFF at the time would help.

Another idiot who has no idea how many people react to sexual assault.

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:31 AM | Reply

These statement aren't contradictory.
Unless you have some way of demonstrating 11 miles can't ever be considered "very close."
Which you don't.

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Did you watch her testimony?

A map of the area was introduced with a 1 mile radius circle drawn around the country club and Dr. Ford testified that the house she was at was within that circle. The house that Kavanaugh was at was 10 miles outside of that circle.

Well for starters, women should cover themselves with fingerprint dust, wear a GoPro at all times, and insert a dye pack into their vagina that will explode if they get raped.
And even then, depending on who's being accused, you'd probably still have people like JeffJ questioning the motives of the accuser.

#32 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-10-11 08:30 AM

Bugger off, troll.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 10:10 AM | Reply

The house that Kavanaugh was at was 10 miles outside of that circle.

Odd that you take his 36 year-old calendar at face value, but not claims to the contrary. Kav says he was at House A. Ford says he was at House B. Why is Kav automatically correct?

Did it ever occur to you that if he tried to rape someone that night, he'd change the calendar?

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 10:13 AM | Reply

the "conservative" right sure is going all out in protecting Americas daughters from manhandling creeps and sexual predators.

#36 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-10-11 10:23 AM | Reply

Seems that DNA or a witness would do.

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-10-11 12:02 PM | Reply

I have a friend who who falsely accused and convicted of sexual assault of a minor. All it takes is a believable story.

A couple of years before the trial, she accused a teenager of flashing her. After few months after the trial, she convinced a cop 40+ years older than her to dump his wife and run away with her. They have 2 kids now.

Sometimes the predator isn't who you think it is.

#38 | Posted by Pirate at 2018-10-11 02:34 PM | Reply

The parents of a former Pennsylvania high school student have filed a lawsuit against the parents of five "mean girls" who allegedly falsely accused their male classmate of sexual assault.

Michael J. and Alecia Flood are the parents of a teenage boy identified as T.F. in the 27-page criminal complaint, who they say was "conspired" against by multiple teenage girls who accused him of sexual assault on two occasions, before allegedly admitting that they had lied.

According to the lawsuit, T.F. "was forced to endure multiple court appearances, detention in a juvenile facility, detention at home, the loss of his liberty, and other damages until several of the girls reluctantly admitted that their accusations were false." The Floods are now seeking unspecified civil damages against the parents of the girls responsible, as well as the Seneca Valley School District, and the office of the Butler Country district attorney, Richard Goldinger.

...

According to Penn Live, in a tape-recorded interview with one of the minors who accused him of a 2017 sexual assault, the student said that she made the claim because "I just don't like him." That same student was heard telling other students "that she would do anything to get T.F. expelled."

www.yahoo.com

#39 | Posted by Pirate at 2018-10-11 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#39 | POSTED BY PIRATE

NW

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 03:00 PM | Reply

#39 | POSTED BY PIRATE
NW

#40 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Why is that Newsworthy? Because it is unusual? Because it fits the narrative Trump is saying? Are you saying this is a rampant epidemic of false allegations?

#41 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-11 04:06 PM | Reply

JeffJ, you never said why your wife didn't tell the cops.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 04:06 PM | Reply

Seems that DNA or a witness would do.

#37 | POSTED BY SNIPER

I see. So if a guy TRIES to rape a girl but doesn't succeed and their are no witnesses, we better just let them go?

Come on, there's lot of other evidence.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-11 04:09 PM | Reply

I liked how it wasn't enough for him to flag it Newsworthy, he also had to post that he flagged it NW.

It's an impressive, though by now de rigueur, display of virtue signaling.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 04:10 PM | Reply

JeffJ, you never said why your wife didn't tell the cops.
#42 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Jeff doesn't have a wife.

Not that I've ever seen proof of.

Jeff is a pathological liar.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-10-11 04:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Studies have shown both in the US and the UK, that false claims of rape are only 2-6% of all claims. IOW, in 94-98% of cases, the charge is valid. Some seem to want to behave as if those numbers were reversed.

#46 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-10-11 04:50 PM | Reply

I believe he thinks he has a wife. He just might be mistaken as to her identity.

#47 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 05:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#44 It's also pretty ballsy considering he bailed on responding to #35.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 05:05 PM | Reply

JeffJ has become a polite drive-by chump that runs from the tough questions faster than OJ gets out of the airport to his rental car.

They all have*.

Simple questions like "did she call the cops" don't even get answered. If it was Ford not answering that, he'd conclude the rape is a lie.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 06:55 PM | Reply

*Except for Sheeple, who just runs his mouth regurgitating and swallowing back down the same piece of Hillary cud he's been ruminating on ever since the night Bernie was denied his coronation by the DNC.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 06:56 PM | Reply

Why is that Newsworthy? Because it is unusual? Because it fits the narrative Trump is saying? Are you saying this is a rampant epidemic of false allegations?

#41 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

It's NW because in the #IBelieveHer era it's important to be cognizant of false accusations. It's important to adhere to the principles of the 'preponderance of evidence' at the very least.

#IBelieveHer is a dangerous thing and it will do untold damage to #MeToo if it becomes the norm.

#51 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:01 PM | Reply

#44 It's also pretty ballsy considering he bailed on responding to #35.

#48 | POSTED BY JOE

I didn't see #35 until just now.

Short answer: Occam's Razor

Your interpretation requires far more speculation and assumptions than mine.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:04 PM | Reply

They could catch Bart O'Kegerator raping a goat on video and JeffyLube would convince himself its a Hollywood fabrication paid for by George Soros.

#53 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-11 07:06 PM | Reply

#52; Occam's Razor says Bart O' attempted to rape Ford, you dimwit.

#54 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-11 07:07 PM | Reply

In amerika, it depends on WHO is being prosecuted.

#55 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-10-11 07:08 PM | Reply

#54 All available corroborating evidence says otherwise, Dr. Jones.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:09 PM | Reply

"It's NW because in the #IBelieveHer era it's important to be cognizant of false accusations."

Is not calling the cops a sign of a false accusation?

Asking for JeffJ. He might have gotten hoodwinked.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 07:11 PM | Reply

#54 All available corroborating evidence says otherwise, Dr. Jones.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:09 PM | Reply

Her testimony and passing a polygraph says you are absolutely WRONG.

#58 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-11 07:14 PM | Reply

Your interpretation requires far more speculation and assumptions than mine.

Lol. Yours requires that we assume someone accurately maintained a calendar 36 years ago and happened to hang onto it for all this time. That is not something anyone should even take at face value, much less assume is the truth.

#59 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 07:14 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

I've said it once already, but I like you so I'll remind you of what I said (paraphrased):

I don't have you plonked but I ignore most of your posts.

I'll add some clarification - I actually read, or at least skim, most of your posts. I've just decided that a vast majority of them don't warrant a response.

So, I don't respond. As it pertains to the current question you are pestering me with - I will never respond to it.

So, you can quit asking and can now figure out how you want to spin my non-answer.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:18 PM | Reply

Lol. Yours requires that we assume someone accurately maintained a calendar 36 years ago and happened to hang onto it for all this time. That is not something anyone should even take at face value, much less assume is the truth.

#59 | POSTED BY JOE

So, the notion of a journal/diary is a foreign concept to you?

My father-in-law and brother-in-law keep detailed journals. On an Alaskan cruise, while I was sipping cocktails I watched my father-in-law spend two hours chronicling our trip - it was a family trip that he funded to celebrate his (and my mother-in-law's) 50th anniversary.

Yes, that is anecdotal, but the concept of a journal/diary/calendar dates back a long way. Hell, it was a prominent feature in Star Trek. I barely watched the show but Captain Kirk saying, "Captain's log..." wasn't lost on me.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:23 PM | Reply

Snoofy,
I've said it once already, but I like you so I'll remind you of what I said (paraphrased):
I don't have you plonked but I ignore most of your posts"

That's what I do. He's a low-rent pseudo-Socrates who just asks fallacy-ridden questions endlessly. Answer one, he'll just ask more. No point to it.

#62 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-11 07:23 PM | Reply

JeffJ, not being able to answer one way or the other if the cops were called shifts the preponderance of the evidence to it being a false claim.

A real victim would know if they called the cops, or if they did not, could at least articulate a reason for not calling them.

Since you can't provide an accounting either way, Occam's Razor, when in your hands at least, can readily discern the whole thing is a fabrication.

Congratulations, you built that.

And your silence only makes it stronger.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 07:28 PM | Reply

That's what I do. He's a low-rent pseudo-Socrates who just asks fallacy-ridden questions endlessly. Answer one, he'll just ask more. No point to it.

#62 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN A

Yep. It took me WAY too long to figure all of that out. I spent WAY too much time being trolled by a professional troll. I got repeatedly punked and I give him a lot of credit for gaming me for so long. But, no more.

PS - I am not trying to rub salt in any wounds but what is up with UCLA football this year?

They are winless. I haven't been following them but their record blipped on my radar today.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:32 PM | Reply

Ironically, they played their best game last week, in a loss against No.10 Washington. Growing pains. New system, Freshman quarterback, young team.

#65 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-11 07:36 PM | Reply

"I spent WAY too much time being trolled by a professional troll."

Professional?

I'm flattered you think someone would pay me to post here, I guess... Sadly it's all done for free.

Anyway, you spent way too much time advancing a rape accusation which would be dismissed by your own standards of believability since the preponderance of the evidence does not support you.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

snoopy,

I don't believe you are being paid. So I guess that makes you an amateur troll. It doesn't change the fact that you effectively drew me into your web for a REALLY long time. I commend you for that.

I guess you are an olympian troll. Still high praise.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:48 PM | Reply

Growing pains. New system, Freshman quarterback, young team.

#65 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I had high hopes for Speight at UCLA.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:50 PM | Reply

#67 Snoopy = Snoofy damn auto-correct

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:51 PM | Reply

JeffJ, holding a mirror up to your beliefs and asking you to explain what you see isn't trolling.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 07:53 PM | Reply

"Did it ever occur to you that if he tried to rape someone that night, he'd change the calendar?
#35 | POSTED BY JOE"

July 21
Skis with Mark, PJ, Squee, and some broads. Tried to play a little Devil's Triangle with one, but Mark too drunk to play. Overall, a good night, some boofing and ralphing, but still a virgin.
Bart

#71 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2018-10-11 07:55 PM | Reply

--I had high hopes for Speight at UCLA.

He got injured in the first half of the first game. Too bad he didn't get a few games to prove himself.

#72 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-10-11 07:57 PM | Reply

That's not even close to what you are doing. And yes, it is trolling.

So, just so you know (and I say this out of courtesy), I will only respond to a post of yours, no matter how often you mention my name or attempt to troll me, if I feel it warrants a response.

Clean up your act and I'll take you more seriously.

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:57 PM | Reply

He got injured in the first half of the first game. Too bad he didn't get a few games to prove himself.

#72 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

That royally sucks. Before he got hurt during the Iowa game in '16 he looked legit. Heck, he didn't earn the starting role as a grad-transfer at UCLA based upon nothing.

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 07:59 PM | Reply

"Clean up your act and I'll take you more seriously."

He can't clean it up. He already thinks he's 10 times smarter than you, me, and half of the other posters here.

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-11 08:01 PM | Reply

So, the notion of a journal/diary is a foreign concept to you?

No. The notion of a frat boy keeping one meticulously in his drunken teenage years and retaining it for four decades thereafter is.

#76 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:05 PM | Reply

"That's not even close to what you are doing."

It's exactly what I'm doing.

You parroted a rape claim with zero evidence aside from the alleged victim's assertion.

Is that claim legit? You can't even say if the cops were called. Not that they were or weren't. No information at all. And, as I stated, and you know, crime victims know if they told the cops or not.

Now, you stress the importance of not believing claims until the preponderance of the evidence tilts in favor of believing the accuser.

But that's not what you did when you made your claim. You believed the accusation, and expected us to, even as it doesn't meet the threshold for possible validity you just invoked: the preponderance of the evidence. Obviously calling the cops corroborates her story, and not calling the cops could have a sensible explanation too, such as the alleged assailant was a cop. But you've offered nothing. The evidence, therefore, does not support the claim.

Are you just trolling???

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're also glossing over the obvious fact that his calendar isn't necessarily accurate in the first place. Gatherings change venue all the time, especially when you're drinking underage.

I honestly can't believe anyone fell for the calendar bit. I don't even think you did; you just need something to hang your hat on to give you plausible deniability to root for your guy.

#78 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So, the notion of a journal/diary is a foreign concept to you?

No. The notion of a frat boy keeping one meticulously in his drunken teenage years and retaining it for four decades thereafter is.

#76 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-10-11 08:05 PM

So, in your world, is Anne Frank a whore or a bitch?

You're also glossing over the obvious fact that his calendar isn't necessarily accurate in the first place.

OK. But he testified under oath that his calendars looked both forward and backward.

I honestly can't believe anyone fell for the calendar bit. I don't even think you did; you just need something to hang your hat on to give you plausible deniability to root for your guy.

#78 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-10-11 08:10 PM

You just exposed yourself. You actually raise credible doubts as to its authenticity and accuracy. Fair enough. But you exposed your true colors by what I put In bold. Based on that you are 100% convinced that it's not only wrong, but it actually implicates him. Somehow. If I am reading your wrong, please clarify.

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 08:27 PM | Reply

"He already thinks he's 10 times smarter than you, me, and half of the other posters here."

Only half?

I didn't realize I was capable of such modesty.

Heckuva job, Snoofy!

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 08:28 PM | Reply

You believed the accusation, and expected us to
#77 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's likely that JeffJ could care less about your belief in a private matter where he's under no obligation to offer information so that you can gratify yourself in the details of whatever happened to his wife.
I took JeffJ's remark regarding his wife to express his ability to understand and empathize with a victim of sexual assault, since he is the husband of a victim and he's the father of a daughter.
Your attempts to turn his wife's personal tragedy into debate points is tragic in itself, as it exposes you as a disgusting troll with an agenda, who has no compassion for those who've suffered trauma.

#81 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-11 08:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The calendar includes coded language for names and activities entirely consistent with everything Ford asserted and inconsistent with many of Kavanaugh claims. You'd think a trained lawyer would not introduce evidence against himself. All his friends and room mates except Judge insist Kavanaugh should not be on the Supreme Court and Judge refuses to go on record.

Anybody and everybody that listened to Kavanaugh's diatribe on October 2 should realize he is capable of becoming belligerent and violent in order to get what he wants. There are ample witnesses to the fact that under the influence of alcohol, Kavanaugh is guaranteed to be belligerent and violent. All of us have seen people behave that way when they've had too much to drink, and their reptilian brain is the only thing still functioning, ensuring that their lungs still take in air and their heart still beats.

If you were unable to grasp these simple truths you are as dumb as a home made radio.

#82 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-11 08:32 PM | Reply

So, in your world, is Anne Frank a whore or a bitch?

What kind of retarded strawman is that? I said i was unfamiliar with drunken teenage frat boys maintaining meticulous calendars and retaining them for 4 decades. And you bring up anne frank? Was she a drunken frat boy?

You just exposed yourself.

Uhh...ok. Whatever you say, Perry Mason.

#83 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:32 PM | Reply

#81 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

You nailed it.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 08:33 PM | Reply

You'd think a trained lawyer would not introduce evidence against himself.

He knew there are millions of people like Jeff out there who are dumb enough to take the bait. He also knew it would provide feckless republican senators cover for their vote.

#85 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:37 PM | Reply

What kind of retarded strawman is that? I said i was unfamiliar with drunken teenage frat boys maintaining meticulous calendars and retaining them for 4 decades. And you bring up anne frank? Was she a drunken frat boy?

No. What you castigated was the notion that a drunken frat boy (which automatically makes him a horrible person in your eyes?) would have been capable of keeping and maintaining memoirs from his youth. It's actually a pretty contemptible position you are holding especially given that nobody involved in the actual investigation (FBI or Senate Democrats) questioned the authenticity of his calendar(s).

#86 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 08:38 PM | Reply

He knew there are millions of people like Jeff out there who are dumb enough to take the bait. He also knew it would provide feckless republican senators cover for their vote.

#85 | POSTED BY JOE

His calendars have now been scrutinized to the nth degreee. You don't have ---- and you know it. Jesus. I can't believe you even have a law degree. This doesn't even remotely approach the preponderance of evidence (her allegations and supporting "evidence"), and you know it.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 08:41 PM | Reply

which automatically makes him a horrible person in your eyes?

No. Which makes him less likely to maintain a meticulous calendar.

If you aren't being deliberately obtuse, this is really sad.

#88 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:42 PM | Reply

"I took JeffJ's remark regarding his wife to express his ability to understand and empathize with a victim of sexual assault"

Anyone can see why you'd think that.

But the wheels come off the wagon when he lowers his standard of belief from the preponderande of the evidence to whatever standard, as yet unarticulated, when the allegation comes from someone he has a vested interest in believing.

The empathy isn't borne of the assault. It's that the claim was made by his wife. Others who claim assault and can't even say if they called the cops will NEVER be believed by JeffJ, or you, or the bulk of the GOP.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

First, any allegation lacking a filed police report should be disbelieved.

IMO, but if you don't file charges, I don't believe any of it. It must go through due process and trial with all the works. Anything less denies any determination of whether found guilty or not.

Also, the stats on false claims can only be determined by a court case. If it never goes through the process, then the claim is not sufficient and the accused is innocent.

I hate this low % are false claims, but 90% are true. BS. There is a small percent of proven guilty. The vast majority is the accused is innocent due to lacking substantiation or a false claim.

#90 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-10-11 08:43 PM | Reply

You don't have ---- and you know it.

This sounds an awful lot like someone who knows something happened but gleefully screams "you cant prove it!"

#91 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:45 PM | Reply

clearly it is the entire Republican camp that has no sympathy for women who have suffered trauma, unless they can use to to take down a Democrat, as Kavanaugh devoted five years of his life to.

#92 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-11 08:45 PM | Reply

First, any allegation lacking a filed police report should be disbelieved
#90 | POSTED BY PETROUS

You hearing this JeffJ?
What say you?

LOL Bro.
Go get worked by your own team.
You've earned it.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 08:46 PM | Reply

I can't believe you even have a law degree

And i cant believe you have a brain, much less a wife, much less one who was sexually assaulted.

#94 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:47 PM | Reply

No. Which makes him less likely to maintain a meticulous calendar.

#88 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-10-11 08:42 PM |

Hmmm...I am seriously trying to understand where you are coming from. Honestly. Please explain why you think he didn't maintain a meticulous calendar.

Keeping in mind that he submitted it under oath, in the context of 6 FBI background checks (at the point it was submitted), that it's been pored over with a fine-toothed comb by the most motivated and resourced and skilled opponents.

Other than personal animus, please expound.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 08:47 PM | Reply

And i cant believe you have a brain, much less a wife, much less one who was sexually assaulted.

#94 | POSTED BY JOE

Nice. And to think I apologized to you the other night for poking fun at something bad that happened in your life.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 08:50 PM | Reply

Please explain why you think he didn't maintain a meticulous calendar.

Way to move the goalposts.

Why don't you start from the beginning. Your head's so far up your ass you've lost track.

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:50 PM | Reply

#89 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

There's no wagon for the wheels to come off of, except the empty wagon you keep trotting out.
There may be a preponderance of evidence, none of which has been shared with you,
and which JeffJ has no obligation to divulge; especially to a troll who has no other agenda than to score debate points.

You're the Feinstein to JeffJ's Ford. JeffJ's wife wishes to remain anon, but you insist on creating a public circus.

#98 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-11 08:50 PM | Reply

The GOP and Republicans here DO NOT CARE about Dr Ford. They've proven that. All they cared about is getting Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!!!

#99 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-11 08:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I wasn't poking fun. I genuinely cannot believe it goven your reaction to these allegations. No fun poked.

Eating dinner now. Toodles!

#100 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- The GOP and Republicans here DO NOT CARE about Dr Ford.

Neither did Feinstein, her hand-pick dem operative lawyers, or the media circus that doxxed her and gang-ambushed her at work and home.

#101 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-11 08:53 PM | Reply

Please explain why you think he didn't maintain a meticulous calendar.
---
Way to move the goalposts.

Why don't you start from the beginning. Your head's so far up your ass you've lost track.

#97 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-10-11 08:50 PM |

This is what I was responding to:

No. Which makes him less likely to maintain a meticulous calendar...

#88 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-10-11 08:42 PM


Please expound. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.

#102 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 08:53 PM | Reply

Eating dinner now. Toodles!
#100 | POSTED BY JOE

You misspelled noodles.

#103 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-11 08:55 PM | Reply

I wasn't poking fun. I genuinely cannot believe it goven your reaction to these allegations. No fun poked.

Eating dinner now. Toodles!

#100 | POSTED BY JOE

You're full of ----. I'm sorry I apologized for dragging up a painful personal experience you shared on this site. I should have kept going with it.

#104 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 08:55 PM | Reply

File a police report.

Put your money where your mouth is.

You can scream from the rooftop you were assaulted.

Fine, file the bloody report. Then, let the case go to court and get all of it on the table.

Then, guilty or not guilty is determined. Without the process, the accused is innocent.

Don't like it...prove they are guilty.

Yeah, it sucks. Sometimes life is like that.

If you ever were accused of something you didnt do, you understand this.

Dammit, I am innocent. Prove otherwise. I am sorry you cant prove your accusation. It is not my problem.

#105 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-10-11 08:59 PM | Reply

"There may be a preponderance of evidence, none of which has been shared with you,
and which JeffJ has no obligation to divulge;"

He divulged the allegation.

In the absence of any corroborating evidence JeffJ's own thought process is that the allegation should be dismissed.

Refuted.

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-11 09:23 PM | Reply

He divulged the allegation.
#106 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

End of story.

The story being, JeffJ can empathize with sexual assault victims.
The story isn't about the crime, or the corporation of the crime.

And yet, you seem intent on interrogating and prosecuting JeffJ. Why is that?

Wait, for the points? That's it, isn't it?

#107 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-11 09:47 PM | Reply

Sheeple,

The story is this site has a couple of colossal d-bags who want to mock and poke fun at me and my wife for the sexual assault (date rape) she endured when she was a senior in high school.

It's ultimately my fault. I NEVER should have shared something that personal on a forum like this.

That Joe and Snoofy are scumbags who ---------- over trying to inflict hurt over this doesn't change the fact that I put it out there and teed it up for them to exploit.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 09:54 PM | Reply

Yeah, I know. I just like messing up Snoofy's big plans.

#109 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-11 10:09 PM | Reply

You're full of ----.

No, I'm not. I truly cannot believe you even have a woman in your life, much less one who has suffered this sort of trauma, yet you act this way in these threads. It is honestly mind-blowing. If you can't wrap your head around why that would be surprising to a lot of people you need to have your brain examined. I was not making fun of anything - i am honestly surprised.

And you didn't "drag up a painful experience," you attempted to use someone treating their illness as a pejorative. It made you look stupid, and that's about it.

#110 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, I'm not. I truly cannot believe you even have a woman in your life, much less one who has suffered this sort of trauma, yet you act this way in these threads...

#110 | POSTED BY JOE

Of course you can't. I'm guessing you are single. During college a sorority sister of my wife admitted that she made a false sexual allegation that resulted in a guy transferring out. It pissed her off because of her own personal experience.

You are apparently so emotionally-stilted and hyper-partisan that you seem unable to fathom someone who is close to an actual sexual assault being critical of a questionable allegation of a sexual assault. This stuff sets back the #MeToo movement.

And you didn't "drag up a painful experience," you attempted to use someone treating their illness as a pejorative. It made you look stupid, and that's about it.

#110 | POSTED BY JOE

What I did was bring up a vulnerable part of your life that you chose to share on this blog. I did so in a personal way and quickly felt bad about it. I then offered a heartfelt apology without any qualifiers or caveats and made sure you saw it. You acknowledged you saw it and did so in a pretty cool way. I thank you for that.

I was not making fun of anything

Yes you were. That is exactly what you were doing. Again, shame on me for sharing that part of my life on a forum like this.

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-10-11 11:24 PM | Reply

#113 | Posted by Heinrich at 2018-10-12 03:38 AM | Reply | Flag: Sock Puppet Account of TOR

#114 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-10-12 03:45 AM | Reply

I'm guessing you are single.

You're wrong. But i'm curious why my expectation that you'd be more accommodating than you are to an alleged victim because you're married to one would lead you to believe that i'm single. Please, expand on that.

You are apparently so emotionally-stilted and hyper-partisan that you seem unable to fathom someone who is close to an actual sexual assault being critical of a questionable allegation of a sexual assault.

I'm not sure how that would lead you to believe someone is "emotionally stilted." Sounds like more ------ ad hominem from you. In any event, there's a difference between "being critical of an allegation" and "immediately seeking to discredit it and never goving it any chance whatsoever to be true." You engaged in the latter, have sought to poke holes in this story from day one, and have never, ever considered any theory other than the one you want to believe. That is why it surprises me that you are close to a victim. Again, I hope you see the difference between my genuine surprise and your ------ attempts to insult me.

This stuff sets back the #MeToo movement.

Only in the eyes of someone who wants to see it set back (i.e. you).

What I did was bring up a vulnerable part of your life that you chose to share on this blog.

You're really straining to equate your garbage ad hominem with my grnuine surprise that you are close to a victim. If you need this false equivalence to get you through the day, go ahead and run with that.

#115 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-12 07:07 AM | Reply

Pretty offensive that the right wing hacks are STILL call Dr. Blasey Ford a liar. No class.

#116 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-10-12 11:20 AM | Reply

Pretty offensive that the right wing hacks are STILL call Dr. Blasey Ford a liar. No class.

POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2018-10-12 11:20 AM | REPLY

They didn't have class before. What makes you expect them to have any after??

#117 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-10-12 11:33 AM | Reply

How about some corroboration? CB-F's supposed witnesses or corroborators failed to do so. She even "excused" one of them for not "remembering" because the individual is facing "health challenges". Breitbart link included for maximum triggering: www.breitbart.com

#113 | POSTED BY HEINRICH

You have obviously no clue what Corroboration means.

There was no eye witness who could corroborate with a first hand account.

The only other corroboration was circumstantial evidence and prior consistent statements. Circumstantial evidence, such as Ford and Kavanaugh knowing each other, being in the same circles, attending parties, and Kavanaugh's drinking issues were heavily corroborated by multiple witnesses...that the FBI chose not to interview.

Prior consistent statements were also heavily corroborated...and again the FBI chose not to interview witnesses.

So I have to ask what you are talking about by failed corroboration?

#118 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-12 01:41 PM | Reply

"Circumstantial evidence, such as Ford and Kavanaugh knowing each other, being in the same circles, attending parties, and Kavanaugh's drinking issues were heavily corroborated by multiple witnesses"
#118 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

"Did you, or did you not, sir, travel in the same circles?" A-HA!!
"Did you know each other,...hmmm??? Well, well, WELL now!
"Did you attend parties, yes or no??...answer the question!!
"And finally, you filthy scumsack, did you drink BEEEERR?!?!?! RAPIST!! RAPIST!!!

LOL. You're one of those paper signing lawyers who watches too much TV.

#119 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-12 01:58 PM | Reply

I think I have my answer to the question I posted.

If you identify with the victim, their allegation is enough proof.
If you identify with the perp, no proof is enough.

Rapists should make sure at least 1/12 of the jury pool identifies with them before grabbing them by the _____.

#120 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-12 02:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"There was no eye witness who could corroborate with a first hand account."

Not true, but the other witness, Mark Judge, who wrote the confessional "Wasted" does not want to testify under oath or be cross examined so his lawyer write provided a sworn affidavit along the lines of "I can't remember".

#121 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-12 02:08 PM | Reply

Comrade/inbred/confederate/Klansman - get some new material.

#27 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Stop acting like those groups then, dumbass.

#122 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-12 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jeffylube is truly deplorable. He's equating the diary of a girl found after her death to the likely fabricated calendar of an accused rapist and a lifelong alcoholic. The only one pissing on Anne Frank's diary is your dumb ass, geoff. There's a special place in the hell you worship for people as inhuman as yourself.

#123 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-12 02:24 PM | Reply

"want to mock and poke fun at me and my wife for the sexual assault (date rape) she endured when she was a senior in high school."

That's entirely off the mark.

This started when I asked, did she tell the cops? A question you dodged for about 72 hours.

If you can't figure out the relevance of that question within the context of whether or not allegations of sexual assault should be believed, it's because you don't want to.

Should you want to engage in this topic of discussion, though, Petrous was kind enough to spell it out for you:

First, any allegation lacking a filed police report should be disbelieved
#90 | POSTED BY PETROUS

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-12 02:31 PM | Reply

-a lifelong alcoholic

I wasn't aware he was being accused of that by you as well.

#125 | Posted by eberly at 2018-10-12 03:19 PM | Reply

The take away is report things contemporaneously with the occurrence. The first time Blasey Ford mentioned the assault in therapy was when Kavanaugh was up for a federal judicial post and in the news. That was not a big enough stage to try to bring him down. Thanks for putting us all at risk by not destroying this monster when you had other chances.

She wanted to remain anonymous. As if in the world of #metoo all you need is to make an anonymous 36 year old allegation and get a desired result. That's not how the system works. I don't want the system to work like that and prefer having an accused found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and also be able to confront and cross examine an accuser.

To those saying it was rape, not even B-F has alleged facts amounting to rape, or even attempted rape. Unless we want to lower that standard as well. Maybe an unwanted lingering glance should be enough.

The FBI talked to all of the proffered witnesses and nobody backed up the story. B-F and K testified under oath in front of the Senate who, by the way, are charged to advise and consent on judicial nominations. The FBI is part of the executive branch. How much sense does it make for a division of the executive branch to investigate an executive branch appointee? Kavanaugh has already undergone many background checks.

Maybe if the location of the assault was known, there still could have been some forensic evidence - like a smoking cigar or a bit of ------ on a dress.

But going forward out people immediately! Even if only to the police and on a private Facebook post. Destroy a person's future in real time, ‘cause decade's old youthful recollections with conflicting details just may not cut it.

#126 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-10-12 03:27 PM | Reply

"The take away is report things contemporaneously with the occurrence."

Why?
JeffJ's wife didn't.
JeffJ finds her allegation credible.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-12 03:58 PM | Reply

"not even B-F has alleged... attempted rape."

Wrong that is exactly the alleged charge. According to Ford, Kavanaugh straddled her on the bed, attempted to disrobe her, but ran into trouble because of a one piece bathing suit she was wearing under her clothes and muzzled her when she screamed. It was only when Judge jumped on top that she was able to escape, first to the bathroom across the hall where she locked the door and later downstairs.

#128 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-12 04:16 PM | Reply

"Without the process, the accused is innocent.
#105 | POSTED BY PETROUS"

That is incorrect. If the burden of proof (beyond a reasonable doubt if a criminal proceeding) is not met, the accused is "not guilty." That can be different from "innocent."

#129 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2018-10-12 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"100k payments to silence them is one piece of evidence"

So what's worse???

1. 100k in hush money for consentual sex

2. 850k settlement to prevent a rape lawsuit

#130 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-10-12 04:53 PM | Reply

Remember, in this day we MUST assume every man is guilty until proven innocent.

#131 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-10-12 04:55 PM | Reply

#131 Worked for JeffJ...

...But only when it involved his wife.

Any sexual assault claims you believe? How about Terry Crews and Kellyanne Conway and Juanita Broaddrick?

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-12 05:05 PM | Reply

So what's your standard Snoofy. Not that I give any credibility to someone too stupid to understand the meaning of famous sayings and parables.

#133 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-10-12 05:36 PM | Reply

Seems you all want "justice" for the accused, which is reasonable, but what about justice for the victim? If she comes forward, she is immediately suspected of either being a liar or a ---- (or both). Why would you think they would be in a hurry to come forward? My daughter was assaulted in high school, at school. She didn't tell anyone about it at the time and didn't tell us about it until years later, and then didn't want to pursue charges because they were big stars on the football team. She wouldn't even identify who they were. But now, more than 10 years after the assault, any time an NFL game comes on the TV she immediately leaves the room. Her assaulters went on to college and the NFL, she dropped out of high school. She has since gone back and gotten her diploma and some college credits, but her life has been altered forever. She believes, reasonably, that if she had reported it the impact on her life would have been even worse.

#134 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-10-12 05:45 PM | Reply

#54 All available corroborating evidence says otherwise, Dr. Jones.

#56 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Look up to the top of your browser. Then highlight "href="www.drudge.com". Now type "dictionary" and press enter/return.

This will take you to a search results page. Click any dictionary website. Now search that site for "corroboration". Next, learn what it means because "you keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

#135 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-12 05:46 PM | Reply

JAMESGELLIOTT, you're too stupid to understand them.

You still think the villagers made the right call.

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-10-12 10:18 PM | Reply

Never said that snoofy, you have a vivid imagination.

Whodaman - my wife was sexually abused as a child by her step dad. She suffered from PTSD which thankfully has eased over time. She used to have frequent nightmares.

When my daughter was 12, she got felt up by a guy. She didn't tell us until 2 months later. I did a sex offender search and found him on the registry.

I understand victims frequently don't come forward immediately but nobody man or woman should be destroyed by a mere allegation. I believe in due process.

#137 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-10-13 06:06 AM | Reply

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