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Wednesday, October 10, 2018

In a paranoid rant, Trump warns Americans that Democrats want to take away health care. Here's the truth. President Donald Trump took a break from Twitter Wednesday to rail against Medicare for All in a falsehood-ridden op-ed for USA Today, despite promising voters on the campaign trail in 2016 that health care for all is "just human decency."

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He reportedly went through an entire box of crayons in the process.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-10 01:25 PM | Reply

What he's really saying is that we are Communists if we ever regain power and increase taxes on corporation and the rich. Viva Fidel!

#2 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-10 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Medicare for all costs less than current system that is full of holes and allows wide spread suffering, poor outcomes, inadequate care and bankruptcies.

Only the greedy and stupid support the current US health system.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2018-10-10 02:04 PM | Reply

- the greedy and stupid

That pretty much describes the two Trumpublican Bases; the donors and their proxy voters.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-10 02:23 PM | Reply

Only the greedy and stupid support the current US health system.

#3 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2018-10-10 02:04 PM | REPLY | FLAG

In other words, republicans.

I saw Crooked Chris Collins pushing the same tripe as this on tv about his opponent. What they fail to leave out is that even with $3 trillion in costs of single payer over 10 years it will still save hundreds of billions.

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2018-10-10 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why they would chose to publish such utter gibberish is beyond me.

#6 | Posted by 726 at 2018-10-10 02:31 PM | Reply

When did Corky become pro-medicare for all?

It sure wasn't during the primaries.

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-11 12:16 AM | Reply

With Health Care Eating Into Americans' Paychecks, Work Doesn't Mean Financial Security
nymag.com

Per the link ...

President Trump's Medicare for All op-ed, published on Wednesday in USA Today, builds its case on a foundation of lies.

Republicans are masters of fire-and-brimstone rhetoric, especially on the issue of healthcare, but fear-mongering can't alter fact.

But a new report, released by the Economic Policy Institute the same day Trump's op-ed went live, undercuts many of the president's arguments. Healthcare costs are rising, which drives up premiums for employer-sponsored, private insurance plans. That, in turn, helps keep incomes and wages low.


TOP TEN REASONS WHY HEALTHCARE COSTS ARE RISING
www.youtube.com
[16:05 – 21:35]

1. Population growth and aging
2. Uncontrolled proliferation of technology
3. Increasing chronic care demands
4. Direct to consumer marketing of healthcare products and services
5. Restriction of managed care practices
6. Legislative healthcare mandates
7. Consolidation of healthcare providers
8. Rising liability insurance costs
9. Excessive demand ("Consumptive Society")
10. Care variation from best evidence (i.e. poor quality)

#8 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 07:00 AM | Reply

I see Sheeple's here, unable to follow the thread, responding to what people actually said, or is deliberately executing another Strawman logical fallacy to distract from Trump's blatant wretched lying.

#9 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-11 07:38 AM | Reply

Pinch, no mention of health insurance company profits, pharmaceutical manufacturers greed? That list is propaganda.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-11 08:30 AM | Reply

I don't really care about a rag like USA Today, but you really do have to wonder why they're giving Trump free ad space.

#11 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:33 AM | Reply

The argument comes down to, poor people can die as long as rich people's taxes don't increase. There should be an actual formula for the savings for each of the 1% every time a poor person dies. If there was 90% of our lives would be at risk, the greedy would happily sacrifice my life or your life for a little more profit. I think we would all be amazed at how little profit would be needed to motivate them to just let you die.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-11 08:34 AM | Reply

"He reportedly went through an entire box of crayons in the process."

It's funny to watch the same quotes used for George Bush used again for Trump. It's almost like the media can 'bend' the way we think about certain people.

#13 | Posted by JordyPete at 2018-10-11 08:51 AM | Reply

#13 or that Republicans have a special knack for electing actually stupid people.

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 08:54 AM | Reply

Re: JordyPete

Interesting. What are your thoughts on the President's op-ed?

#15 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-10-11 08:57 AM | Reply

#14 - What? Ok. I remember the media doing this to Reagan too.
Are you making fun of yourself or the fact that the media does this to people?

#16 | Posted by JordyPete at 2018-10-11 08:59 AM | Reply

Pinch, no mention of health insurance company profits, pharmaceutical manufacturers greed? That list is propaganda.

#10 | POSTED BY DANNI

Healthcare profit margins are slimmer than people think ...

www.advisory.com

The reason you're not understanding Dr. Kizer is because it's hard to get one's head wrapped around the facts involving trlions of dollars and 30% inefficient waste (i.e. poor quality) with no benefit to patients.

Dr. Kizer sits on numerous Institute of Medicine boards studying all this. Here's his bio ... www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu

#17 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-10-11 09:13 AM | Reply

"What are your thoughts on the President's op-ed?"

I think it's a pre-emptive strike on something that will be coming up for the 2020 election and the 2024 election and the 2028 election...
A site like "Think Progressive" calling it laughable, well, is laughable.

I don't understand how a Bernie Sanders can get up there and say stupid crap like free tuition for all and say that other countries have free tuition for all--no they don't. They are very selective who gets into higher education. If you don't get in, you don't get in! There is no alternative. It's free.

The same with Medicare. It's not free, in fact, it's insane how much it will cost. We would have to have Europe and China subsidize our military!

I will admit that the Medicaid extension has solved a major problem-- preexisting and covering those who can't and won't afford insurance. It makes me wonder why Congress didn't just do that in the first place. My prediction on Medicaid extension is that it becomes more controlled. Right now, anyone can apply and get it and there is no auditing.

#18 | Posted by JordyPete at 2018-10-11 09:16 AM | Reply

Re: JordyPete

Medicare for all/Single-Payer is the measuring stick by which I judge politicians. It will be expensive, because healthcare is expensive, but will save us money compared to the current system. www.businessinsider.com And it's the humanitarian solution. And it's a non-partisan issue: Americans want medicare for all: thehill.com

We'll pay for it the same way we pay for our Military Industrial Complex. Or just write it off as "military spending, wink wink" and increase the military budget like we always do.

#19 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-10-11 09:25 AM | Reply

Re: JordyPete

And ThinkProgress is certainly left-biased, but they are a far more credible source of information than Donald Trump.

#20 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-10-11 09:28 AM | Reply

A site like "Think Progressive"

The site is "think progress," though we know people like you are opposed to progress too.

I've noticed you haven't debunked a single claim in te article. Maybe you should read it.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 09:33 AM | Reply

Doesn't matter if it's ThinkProgress or not - the WaPo analyzed it, too, and found almost every sentence contained a misleading statement or a falsehood.

www.washingtonpost.com

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-11 09:49 AM | Reply

Joe, I understand that you want to believe what a site like ThinkProgress is telling you, but do you really believe that they are going to tell you the truth? I already have a problem with their claim that Medicare for all will save money. That's absurd.
Medicare spending is $583billion plus 400 on Medicaid. That doesn't add up to 30 trillion even with inflation. Oh, wait. They are using that "Think Progressive" math.
I don't ever take what anyone says on a political site as truth. Sometimes, they might site something they said, but they are cleaver about that too.
I can safely say that ThinkProgress and Breitbart play at the same level in this game. Would you agree with that?

I know that Trump's op-ed (like he really wrote it) is not factual--it doesn't reference anything. It reads just like he talks. But, for ThinkProgress to call it laughable is laughable. It's ok, it's what their readers want to see from them. No offense.

#23 | Posted by JordyPete at 2018-10-11 09:59 AM | Reply

When did Corky become pro-medicare for all?
It sure wasn't during the primaries.

#7 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Orange Sheep speak with forked tongue. But then, nuance has always been a four-letter word to rwingers.

Single-issue voting is what gives up anomalies like Dulli.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2018-10-11 10:02 AM | Reply

That doesn't add up to 30 trillion even with inflation

Take it up with the conservative think tank who generated those numbers, and post your own study that shows me the teue costs.

Oh, you don't have a study?

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 10:10 AM | Reply

*true

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 10:10 AM | Reply

"I know that Trump's op-ed (like he really wrote it) is not factual--it doesn't reference anything. It reads just like he talks. But, for ThinkProgress to call it laughable is laughable. "

You're laughable. It doesn't read like he talks because he didn't write it. He doesn't use the types of words that were used in that speech. Think Progress calls it laughable because it is filled with talking points which have been disproven over and over and over. Only morons would hear it and not know that. You must be one of them. Democrats want America to be like Venezuela, need I remind you that it is the Republicans who are bankrupting our country with tax cuts for the 1%? 2007 is already out of your memory. It is going to happen again because of their actions while they destroy the Consumer Protection AGency and all the banking regulations put into place to prevent another 2007 disaster. Dumbass is your new nickname.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-11 10:23 AM | Reply

"Take it up with the conservative think tank who generated those numbers"
Wait. Let me get something straight. They use an exaggeration from another site that they disagree with and pass it off as truth. Cleaver.
No, I don't spend time on this. But, I can spot bullcrap from a mile away.
How am I doing so far?
Another example is that you admit that there are no actual numbers out there so they call it "laughable" as if no one is paying attention.
Are you really going to keep trying to defend this article and ThinkProgress?

#28 | Posted by JordyPete at 2018-10-11 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Think Progress calls it laughable because it is filled with talking points "
And ThinkProgress does it too. THAT'S MY POINT. Give it a rest. It's like the ThinkProgress people are the propagators of truth. They aren't They are just another political fog horn like Breitbart. Take it for what it is and stop trying to defend it. It's like I'm talking about Jesus.

#29 | Posted by JordyPete at 2018-10-11 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They use an exaggeration from another site that they disagree with and pass it off as truth.

It's a pretty common and effective argumentative tactic to say "even assuming your statement of facts is accurate, our conclusion remains correct." I'm sorry you're incapable of understanding this.

But if you think these figures on the cost of Medicare for All are wrong, then post your own estimates. I'm still waiting.

you admit that there are no actual numbers out there

I never admitted that.

How am I doing so far?

Terribly.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 10:31 AM | Reply

ThinkProgress people are the propagators of truth.

Yet in hours of flailing you have yet to debunk a single statement in their article.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 10:33 AM | Reply

Medicare spending is $583billion plus 400 on Medicaid. That doesn't add up to 30 trillion even with inflation. Oh, wait. They are using that "Think Progressive" math.

You are right. Medicare and Medicaid do not add up to 30 Trillion. That is because they are a small piece of the healthcare spending puzzle.

Here is a report breaking down what we spent $3.3 TRILLION on in 2016

www.cms.gov

Please note that $3.3 x 10 is $33 Trillion for a decade so single payer will save us $3 Trillion

#32 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-10-11 10:35 AM | Reply

ok. Joe.

#33 | Posted by JordyPete at 2018-10-11 10:39 AM | Reply

"Please note that $3.3 x 10 is $33 Trillion for a decade so single payer will save us $3 Trillion"

This site is using the real numbers and says pretty much what every other site is saying.

www.pgpf.org

Medicare is 14% and Medicaid is another 11% of a $4.1 trillion budget.

It's even speculating that costs will go up and that Medicare will be a larger percentage of the budget.

From what you are saying, then, is that 32 trillion over 10 years that Trump is saying is a conservative number.

Trying to say that anyone is right about this is LAUGHABLE!

#34 | Posted by JordyPete at 2018-10-11 10:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Medicare is 14% and Medicaid is another 11% of a $4.1 trillion budget.

This proves nothing. Americans spent $3.5 Trillion last year on healthcare. Of course the federal budget would explode if government were suddenly providing Medicare to every American - the question is whether, through taxation to pay for that as opposed to paying $3,500,000,000,000.00 per year to insurance companies and hospitals, we would save money.

I'd also argue that we shouldn't necessarily demand that we save money in the first place, though it'd be nice if we did. The goal should be universal coverage and better health outcomes.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2018-10-11 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I like how this entire thread is about Healthcare rather than Trump lying through the entire Op-Ed.

Have even Conservatives just accepted the President can never tell the truth?

#36 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-10-11 03:49 PM | Reply

#36 - accepted? They've adopted it and revel in it. They've discovered FREEDUMB all over again.

#37 | Posted by YAV at 2018-10-11 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Posted by JordyPete

Crawl back under your rock, moron.

#38 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-10-11 04:53 PM | Reply

"Healthcare profit margins are slimmer than people think ..."

Because of Obamacare and 80/20 rule. Republicans want to eliminate that too.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2018-10-11 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump didn't write this op-ed. It's too well written.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-10-12 01:02 PM | Reply

Trump didn't write this op-ed.

He doesn't write (or probably even read) any of the stuff he signs.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-10-12 01:05 PM | Reply

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