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Tuesday, October 09, 2018

Michael gained new strength over warm tropical waters amid a forecast that it would swiftly intensify into a major hurricane before striking Florida's northeast Gulf Coast, where frantic coastal residents were boarding up homes and seeking evacuation routes away from the dangerous storm heading their way.

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The people of Florida should be grateful for the services provided by the national hurricane center, promoting the general welfare, by providing advance warning of hurricane and flood events, as mandated by our constitution. Better living for all by building a strong sense of community, which is socialism in action.

#1 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-09 09:45 AM | Reply

Don't listen to the warnings climate deniers. It's just all part of the big liberal science conspiracy. You'll be fine. No need to stock up on supplies or head inland. Just fire up your AC, roll some coal, and prove you're not scared of those stupid libs and their science stuff.

#2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-09 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

God sure has a thing against Florida.

#3 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-10-09 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

God sure has a thing against Florida.

#3 | Posted by hatter5183

Florida gave us Dubya. Dubya gave us iraq, $5 trillion blown, millions dead, the mideast on fire, brown refugees spreading into europe, racist reactionaries taking power, and democracy in decline.

Florida has a lot to answer for.

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-09 02:37 PM | Reply

Florida solidified trump's electoral win too.

#5 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-10-09 02:49 PM | Reply

Florida solidified trump's electoral win too.

#5 | Posted by IndianaJones

Yeah I'm almost rooting for the hurricane. Those people need to be punished by nature til they stop voting for pollution puppets.

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-09 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4, NEVER FORGET, Gore won Florida. Republicans and their stoolies in SCOTUS stole that election in a very public process. Nobody did anything about it which became a green light to continue, albeit more secretly.

#7 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-09 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4, NEVER FORGET, Gore won Florida. Republicans and their stoolies in SCOTUS stole that election in a very public process. Nobody did anything about it which became a green light to continue, albeit more secretly.

#7 | Posted by bayviking

By a few votes. WHich means they're still a very stupid state.

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-09 03:58 PM | Reply

Gore's victory was not less than 200 votes, minuscule, by any national measure. By some methods it was as much as the 500 vote victory Bush pretended to have. But that slim margin was only because of all the dirty tricks Kathleen Harris and Tom Feeney engaged in on behalf of Jeb, may they all rot in the hell they claim to believe in.

#9 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-10-09 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah I'm almost rooting for the hurricane. Those people need to be punished by nature til they stop voting for pollution puppets.
#6 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I'm really just beginning to understand how sick and twisted partisanship has become.

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-09 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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I'm really just beginning to understand how sick and twisted partisanship has become.

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Says the guy who's willing to get people (OTHER people) killed until his demands for a 100% flawless and pure candidate is offered.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-10-09 08:38 PM | Reply

"Don't listen to the warnings climate deniers. It's just all part of the big liberal science conspiracy. You'll be fine. No need to stock up on supplies or head inland. Just fire up your AC, roll some coal, and prove you're not scared of those stupid libs and their science stuff."

But, so far, nothing about hurricanes and global warming has come true. Since 1851, we've had an increase of 2.2 hurricanes per year with an avg. wind speed of 10 mph increase. But if you go by 50 year increments, the past 50 years shows a decrease in the number of storms and a very small increase in wind mph. If you go by 25 year increments, we are slightly higher in both measurements but 2 other 25 year periods in the same time had significantly higher increases in both the number of storms and the wind speed.

In fact, the avg wind speed from 2010 was 111.88mph and the average so far in 2011-2020 decade is 109.75. So, actually, wind speed has decreased in the same time period that global warming scientists have said it will be a dramatic increase. The number of hurricanes in the 2000-2010 decade was 75. So far in the 2011-2020 decade there have been 50 (as of 2017 numbers). That gives us three years to have 25 storms which is on par with the average.

So, tell me again how a warming climate has any relation at all to the Atlantic hurricanes. Go ahead, I'll wait. I actually did all of the numbers in my own Excel sheets from Wunderground's hurricane archive. What have you done to prove climatologists right or wrong?

#12 | Posted by humtake at 2018-10-10 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rcade, from all of us. Stay safe, and we all hope your trailer park isn't swept away.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-10 02:53 PM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Supercharged by abnormally warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico, Michael slammed into the Florida Panhandle on Wednesday with potentially catastrophic winds of 155 mph, the most powerful hurricane to hit the U.S. mainland in nearly 50 years.

"I've had to take antacids I'm so sick to my stomach today because of this impending catastrophe," National Hurricane Center scientist Eric Blake tweeted as the storm -- drawing energy from the unusually warm, 84-degree Gulf waters -- became more menacing.

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As Michael approached land, meteorologists struggled to find words to describe it. On Twitter, the National Weather Service said, in all caps, "THIS IS A WORST CASE SCENARIO." The hurricane's winds and waves were so strong, their rumblings were detected on seismometers -- equipment designed to measure earthquakes. Michael is expected to produce storm surge -- typically the deadliest part of any hurricane -- of up to 14 feet, smashing local records.

No storm remotely this strong has ever hit this part of Florida. The previously strongest hurricane to hit the Florida Panhandle had winds of 125 mph, 30 mph weaker than Michael's. The local National Weather Service office in Tallahassee issued a chilling warning that Michael was "not comparable to anything we have seen before."

In the hours before landfall, Michael rapidly intensified, strengthening from a Category 1 to a strong Category 4 in less than 36 hours -- consistent with recent research on climate change's impact on storms. Michael did this after passing over unusually warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico, which likely helped to increase the storm's moisture content and provide fuel for more intense thunderstorms, a deeper central pressure, and stronger winds. Sea levels in the Gulf of Mexico have risen by about a foot over the past 100 years, so there's a direct link between Michael's coastal flooding and long-term climate change.

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#14 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2018-10-10 03:56 PM | Reply

"So, tell me again how a warming climate has any relation at all to the Atlantic hurricanes. Go ahead, I'll wait.

#12 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2018-10-10 12:09 PM | FLAG: "

OK, I'll try and I'll keep it basic.

1) The impacts of global warming do not all enhance hurricane formation. Higher water temperatures should intuitively enhance formation and strength, but higher water temperatures, among other climate related issues, also create wind patterns that can impede hurricane formation, known as wind shear. This year, for example, wind shear in the Caribbean has been high and a number of potential hurricanes were sheared apart before they could form. Wind shear can also limit the intensity that a hurricane can attain. The issue then is not necessarily that global warming will create more hurricanes, but the it will create conditions for more destructive hurricanes when they form because;
2) Warmer air holds more moisture from evaporation and more moisture translates into more rainfall under appropriate conditions. There have been a number of hurricanes over the last decade where rain and subsequent flood damage has far outweighed wind damage, and;
3) Global warming is thought to influence major atmospheric conditions such as the jet stream and one consequence is that the steering patterns for hurricanes in the atmosphere become weaker. The consequence is slower moving or even stalled hurricanes and therefore more prolonged exposure to adverse weather conditions for anywhere along a hurricane track.

In the Atlantic at least, hurricane formation follows a multi-decadal cycle of high and low hurricane activity. The cycle typically lasts 15 -25 years and entered an active phase in 1995. The general view is that this cycle is coming to an end and the Atlantic will enter a period of low activity and as far as I am aware this cycle is unrelated to global warming but explains some of the variations you picked out.

Hurricane science is complex and the impact of global warming equally complex; it is not a straight line relationship as you seem to want it to be. Rather than simply bashing numbers and by implication the concept of global warming, why not delve into the actual science and educate yourself?

#15 | Posted by Foreigner at 2018-10-10 04:59 PM | Reply

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