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Sunday, September 16, 2018

Earlier this summer, Christine Blasey Ford wrote a confidential letter to a senior Democratic lawmaker alleging that Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her more than three decades ago, when they were high school students in suburban Maryland. Speaking publicly for the first time, Ford said that one summer in the early 1980s, Kavanaugh and a friend -- both "stumbling drunk," Ford alleges -- corralled her into a bedroom during a gathering of teenagers at a house in Montgomery County.

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Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh's friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house.

Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband. The therapist's notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh's name but say she reported that she was attacked by students "from an elitist boys' school" who went on to become "highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington." The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist's part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room.

Notes from an individual therapy session the following year, when she was being treated for what she says have been long-term effects of the incident, show Ford described a "rape attempt" in her late teens.

In an interview, her husband, Russell Ford, said that in the 2012 sessions, she recounted being trapped in a room with two drunken boys, one of whom pinned her to a bed, molested her and prevented her from screaming. He said he recalled that his wife used Kavanaugh's last name and voiced concern that Kavanaugh -- then a federal judge -- might one day be nominated to the Supreme Court.

Time to put Mark Judge under oath and find out his recollection of these alleged events. We've already heard Kavanaugh's categorical denial.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 02:06 PM | Reply

Christine Ford is a professor at Palo Alto University who teaches in a consortium with Stanford University, training graduate students in clinical psychology. Her work has been widely published in academic journals. She contacted The Post through a tip line in early July, when it had become clear that Kavanaugh was on the shortlist of possible nominees to replace retiring justice Anthony M. Kennedy but before Trump announced his name publicly. A registered Democrat who has made small contributions to political organizations, she contacted her congresswoman, Democrat Anna G. Eshoo, around the same time. In late July, she sent a letter via Eshoo's office to Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee.

In the letter, which was read to The Post, Ford described the incident and said she expected her story to be kept confidential. She signed the letter as Christine Blasey, the name she uses professionally. For weeks, Ford declined to speak to The Post on the record as she grappled with concerns about what going public would mean for her and her family -- and what she said was her duty as a citizen to tell the story.

She engaged Debra Katz, a Washington lawyer known for her work on sexual harassment cases. On the advice of Katz, who believed Ford would be attacked as a liar if she came forward, Ford took a polygraph test administered by a former FBI agent in early August. The results, which Katz provided to The Post, concluded that Ford was being truthful when she said a statement summarizing her allegations was accurate.

By late August, Ford had decided not to come forward, calculating that doing so would upend her life and probably would not affect Kavanaugh's confirmation. "Why suffer through the annihilation if it's not going to matter?" she said.

Her story leaked anyway.

Why do we know Ms. Ford is getting ready to be attacked for speaking the truth as she lived it, if indeed her polygraph results are to be believed?

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 02:21 PM | Reply

Breaking News: Police found marijuana in Ms. Ford's home.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-16 02:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--Why do we know Ms. Ford is getting ready to be attacked for speaking the truth as she lived it

Like Juanita Broaddrick?

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Will the-------------------'s deplorables pull a 'Heather Heyer' on Ford?

#5 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-09-16 02:28 PM | Reply

Like Juanita Broaddrick?

Like Anita Hill.

FTFY

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 02:29 PM | Reply

Nice try. Anita Hill didn't accuse Thomas of anything other than inappropriate remarks.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 02:32 PM | Reply

#7

You're a moron. The analogy is two women accusing a different GOP president's SCOTUS nominee of unwarranted conduct/behavior of a sexual nature and telling their story to the court of public opinion since no courts or charges are involved. Then they are smeared for having told their own stories and publicly painted as liars since the alleged assailants deny the accusations.

That is precisely what I alluded to with my post which is 100% accurate.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 02:39 PM | Reply

Cheap dirty-trick on the eve of the vote. If this woman had any credibility she would have come forward much earlier, like Anita Hill.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 02:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

Well, now I know why this was Mark Judge's initial comment:

Kavanaugh's classmate said of the woman's allegation, "I have no recollection of that."

www.newyorker.com

Looks like he was prone to alcoholic blackouts at the time:

Judge is a filmmaker and author who has written for the Daily Caller, The Weekly Standard and The Washington Post. He chronicled his recovery from alcoholism in "Wasted: Tales of a Gen-X Drunk," which described his own blackout drinking and a culture of partying among students at his high school, renamed in the book "Loyola Prep." Kavanaugh is not mentioned in the book, but a passage about partying at the beach one summer makes glancing reference to a "Bart O'Kavanaugh," who "puked in someone's car the other night" and "passed out on his way back from a party."

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Cheap dirty-trick on the eve of the vote. If this woman had any credibility she would have come forward much earlier, like Anita Hill."

More likely it was an awareness of what happened to Hill that kept her quiet.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 02:52 PM | Reply

Flip the script and Dem's would be screaming bloody murder, slut-shaming the victim, and claiming the charges had been debunked long ago.

Hans would even dance into the room in his lederhosen with links in bold type.

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 1

--More likely it was an awareness of what happened to Hill that kept her quiet.

Or an awareness of what the Clintons and Carville did.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nice try. Anita Hill didn't accuse Thomas of anything other than inappropriate remarks."

Yeah, while he was her boss:

Hill accused Thomas of making inappropriate remarks. She said one such comment came as Thomas was drinking a soft drink in the office.

"He got up from the table at which we were working, went over to his desk to get the Coke, looked at the can and asked, 'Who has put pubic hair on my Coke?'" Hill told senators.

Hill also testified that Thomas would boast about being well-endowed and has experience in pleasing women intimately. She also said she felt uncomfortable about her job situation.

"I began to feel severe stress on the job," Hill told the committee. "I began to be concerned that Clarence Thomas might take out his anger with me by degrading me or not giving me important assignments. I also thought that he might find an excuse for dismissing me."

www.cbsnews.com

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 02:57 PM | Reply

Maybe what happened to Roy Moore's accusers is fresh in her mind.

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 02:59 PM | Reply

If this woman had any credibility she would have come forward much earlier, like Anita Hill.

If you had any you would have noticed she spoke of her experience first in 2012 and wrote her letter to her Congresswoman in July, iwo months ago.

The timing of her story has no relevance whatsoever on its validity. Only a tool would make such an attack, but you consistently show your colors so no one is surprised.

As I said and Gal has confirmed, Mark Judge is the key and his history of self-confessed teen binge drinking/alcoholism problems dovetails with Ford's story. It appears that Kavanaugh was both a lech, a lush, and now a liar.

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 03:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Flip the script and Dem's would be screaming bloody murder, slut-shaming the victim, and claiming the charges had been debunked long ago."

That's not what happened to Al Franken and his accusers.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#17

They always conflate the "defend-at-all-costers" with the mainstream. There is no widespread objectivity whatsoever, nor is it even allowed to be considered. In the Trump GOP, the default position is to defend at all costs, paint each and every critic as blinded by partisanship while they wave their own partisan flag non-stop (projection) and crush all the victims regardless of their facts and evidence.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 03:16 PM | Reply

Professor Ford sounds formidable.

This may be the end of Cavanaughs career.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-16 03:17 PM | Reply

--This may be the end of Cavanaughs career.

You don't even know how to spell his name.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 03:18 PM | Reply

Why do liberals still feel the need to defend Bill Clinton?

Why does anyone still feel the need to point out Bill Clinton's sexual transgressions as though they have any relevance anymore?

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-09-16 03:20 PM | Reply

Bill Clinton didn't have sexual transgressions.
He had moral and ethical transgressions.
The sex was consensual between adults.
It's the power relationship and the marriage that are the ethical and moral transgressions.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-16 03:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#22 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

That doesn't answer either of my questions. Even in the frame of reference you provide, can you answer why?

#23 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-09-16 03:31 PM | Reply

#21

I don't defend Bill Clinton so I don't have an answer to the question.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 03:39 PM | Reply

Flip the script and Dem's would be screaming bloody murder, slut-shaming the victim, and claiming the charges had been debunked long ago.
Hans would even dance into the room in his lederhosen with links in bold type.

#12 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Ummm the Dems actually punished those in their ranks who assaulted women.

God damn you're such an idiotic hack.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-16 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good for her.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-16 03:44 PM | Reply

Kavanaugh is the most dangerous appointment since Thomas, who remains a consistent unmitigated disaster. But, not because of he acted out foolishly or possibly criminally in his youth. Kavanaugh's public legal positions oppose not just abortion, but your right to keep our government out of your private life. See my earlier post or the source link for a detailed precise explanation of how this religious nutcase thinks. By every measure the Pope is a more reasonable Catholic than the fanatics already sitting on the Supreme Court and Kavanaugh will make that a solid five.

#27 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-16 03:48 PM | Reply

Brett radish is toast.

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-16 03:48 PM | Reply

--Ummm the Dems actually punished those in their ranks who assaulted women.

Like the vice-chairman of the DNC, Keith Ellison?

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 03:51 PM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

What happened to you?

Did your brain go mush?

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-16 03:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The GOP won't be calling Judge in testify, methinks:

Ryan Goodman ‏ @rgoodlaw

Damaging to Kavanaugh.

His alleged accomplice and character witness, Mark Judge, wrote the following in a review.

See for yourself how Judge describes "the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion," how "every man who's fit to live has his own stories about the time."
twitter.com

Hard Case Crime: the Beauty of Male Passion
Mark Judge

Today's social justice warriors don't like a sexy damsel in distress.

Every man who's fit to live has his own stories about the time, like a Hard Case character, he ducked the police, got in over his head with money, or abandoned himself in pursuit of love or sex. We've all climbed up windowsills, driven all night, and gotten into fights over a girl. Of course, a man must be able to read a woman's signals, and it's a good thing that feminism is teaching young men that no means no and yes means yes. But there's also that ambiguous middle ground, where the woman seems interested and indicates, whether verbally or not, that the man needs to prove himself to her. And if that man is any kind of man, he'll allow himself to feel the awesome power, the wonderful beauty, of uncontrollable male passion.

Hard Case Crime, and pulp fiction in general, is not about controlling and hurting women, although there's some of that. It's an expression of authentic male passion, of sweaty sexiness, in a world of pajama boys, government-mandated health food, and reactionary conservative blowhards.


www.splicetoday.com

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 03:55 PM | Reply

It was a profoundly stupid strategic error for Feinstein to withold the existence of this letter until after the hearings were closed. Her continuing service is another example of how the DNC fights grassroots progressive movements.

#32 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-16 03:59 PM | Reply

#23 We all know why they Whatabout Bill Clinton.
Whataboutism appeals to their stunted ethics.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-16 03:59 PM | Reply

#33

Why do liberals defend him as though it's necessary for the current discussion?

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-09-16 04:03 PM | Reply

#32 I strongly disagree. She was protecting the woman's privacy, which the woman herself was said to have strongly requested. #MeToo is not a grassroots progressive movement, let alone a movement that advocates outing those women who specifically request that their anonymity be maintained. Anonymity in these kinds of cases is a significant problem though.

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 04:04 PM | Reply

It was a profoundly stupid strategic error for Feinstein to withold the existence of this letter until after the hearings were closed.

It was NOT Feinstein's call, it was Ford's and until the existence of her letter leaked last week, she did not give her permission for its contents to become public.

I too thought Feinstein had screwed this up, but read the chronology and you can see for yourself that she did what she had the authority to do from Ford, and since Ford went public, Feinstein released another statement: pbs.twimg.com

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#36 TY:

Washington -- Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) released the following statement:

"It has always been Mrs. Ford's decision whether to come forward publicly. For any woman, sharing an experience involving sexual assault -- particularly when it involves a politically connected man with influence, authority and power -- is extraordinarily difficult.

"From the outset, I have believed these allegations were extremely serious and bear heavily on Judge Kavanaugh's character. However, as we have seen over the past few days, they also come at a price for the victim. I hope the attacks and shaming of her will stop and this will be treated with the seriousness it deserves.

"I support Mrs. Ford's decision to share her story, and now that she has, it is in the hands of the FBI to conduct an investigation. This should happen before the Senate moves forward on this nominee."

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34

Who are you referring to? The only person bringing Clinton into this discussion is Nulli who is hardly a liberal defending him. Clinton is irrelevant to this, why are YOU trying to ask unrelated questions about this here?

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 04:11 PM | Reply

--I hope the attacks and shaming of her will stop and this will be treated with the seriousness it deserves.

Hahaha. She orchestrates a hit job and "hopes" the attacks will stop. What a disgrace. She's the poster child for term limits.

#39 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 04:14 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

NULLI brought it up and I wanted input.

So sue me!

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-09-16 04:18 PM | Reply


This is probably one of the last issues that the Republicans want to have in the forefront leading up to Election Day.

It will only further cement the loss of the independent suburban college-educated woman that Pres trump has all but chased away from the Republican Party.

Will Republicans continue to attack and besmirch Ms Ford, or will they support a proper investigation of what has been alleged to happen?

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-16 04:20 PM | Reply

--will they support a proper investigation

Translation: A delay of the vote, which was the goal all along.

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#40

I'm not mad at you, Nulli is no liberal that I'd ever want to be associated with. Look at post #39. No concern for the allegations and wholesale smearing and trashing of the process for finding out to the best of our ability what did happen stemming from the allegations since she has named (privately so far) other parties outside of Judge who were witnesses at the party in question.

Again, no liberals were defending Bill Clinton, hence my question to you as to why you questioned "liberals" for the comment of an illiberal.

#43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 04:24 PM | Reply

This from an article that came out in July:

Joshua Benton @jbenton

Perhaps worth remembering in the context of teenaged Kavanaugh: He joined a secret society at Yale known for excessive drinking and nicknamed "T$t and Cl$t."

The Yale Secret Society Brett Kavanaugh Joined Was Mostly About Drinking, Yale Alumni Say
No Skull and Bones.

www.buzzfeednews.com

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 04:24 PM | Reply

- a proper investigation

By the same crowd that still makes excuses for Al Franken.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 04:30 PM | Reply

Translation: A delay of the vote, which was the goal all along.

So what? Mitch McConnell kept a SCOTUS seat open for over a year without any reason outside of political considerations. An alleged and eyewitnessed assault is not "political" it's a matter of character. What is the matter with determining whether or not Kavanaugh is worthy of elevating to the Court? Why does the process have to be rushed when their is no pressing reason for a quick decision?

For those who believed Kavanaugh has no business on the SCOTUS, his conduct is not about delaying the vote, it's about defeating his candidacy because he's unfit for the job. The further release of his withheld papers and investigation into his conduct seems to point to such a reality for most unbiased, objective citizens.

#46 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 04:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

If this woman had any credibility she would have come forward much earlier

Nulli. You rape shaming this woman? Because. That's how most you posts read.

Perhaps you shouldn't be assigning ulterior motives.

It makes you look like a POS.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-16 04:31 PM | Reply

Sorry to go into Boaz territory, but I have to ask. Why is it when a woman is drunk and then something terrible happens, she's not seen as responsible, but when a man is drunk and does something terrible, he is totally responsible?

#48 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-09-16 04:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#44

It appears that Kavanaugh was ...a lech, a lush, and now a liar.

#16 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

#49 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 04:33 PM | Reply

--By the same crowd that still makes excuses for Al Franken.

The same crowd that said:

"Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find."

#50 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 04:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A delay of the vote, which was the goal all along.

Cry me a river, bitch.

Obviously the GOP knew Kavanaugh was a bad choice. Otherwise they wouldn't have had to hide who he is in order to get him nominated.

Kavanaugh only brings two things to the bench. Which is why Trumpublicans want him seated.

He's anti abortion and believes the president is above the law.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-16 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why is it when a woman is drunk and then something terrible happens, she's not seen as responsible, but when a man is drunk and does something terrible, he is totally responsible?

Is this a general question or are you trying to apply it to these particular circumstances?

Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident. She said she often spent time in the summer at the Columbia Country Club pool in Chevy Chase, where in those pre-cellphone days, teenagers learned about gatherings via word of mouth. She also doesn't recall who owned the house or how she got there.

Ford said she remembers that it was in Montgomery County, not far from the country club, and that no parents were home at the time. Ford named two other teenagers who she said were at the party. Those individuals did not respond to messages on Sunday morning.

She said she recalls a small family room where she and a handful of others drank beer together that night. She said that each person had one beer but that Kavanaugh and Judge had started drinking earlier and were heavily intoxicated.

Ford said she left the family room to use the bathroom, which was at the top of a narrow stairway. She doesn't remember whether Kavanaugh and Judge were behind her or already upstairs, but she remembers being pushed into a bedroom and then onto a bed. Rock-and-roll music was playing with the volume turned up high, she said.

She alleges that Kavanaugh -- who played football and basketball at Georgetown Prep -- held her down with the weight of his body and fumbled with her clothes, seemingly hindered by his intoxication. Judge stood across the room, she said, and both boys were laughing "maniacally." She said she yelled, hoping that someone downstairs would hear her over the music, and Kavanaugh clapped his hand over her mouth to silence her.

At one point, she said, Judge jumped on top of them, and she tried unsuccessfully to wriggle free. Then Judge jumped on them again, toppling them, and she broke away, she said.

She said she locked herself in the bathroom and listened until she heard the boys "going down the stairs, hitting the walls." She said that after five or ten minutes, she unlocked the door and made her way through the living room and outside. She isn't sure how she got home.

What precisely should Ford be held responsible for in this scenario?

#52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 04:39 PM | Reply

Sorry to go into Boaz territory, but I have to ask. Why is it when a woman is drunk and then something terrible happens, she's not seen as responsible, but when a man is drunk and does something terrible, he is totally responsible?

POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2018-09-16 04:33 PM | REPLY

Because societal norms dictate women are the "weaker" gender and men are supposed to protect them NOT rape them BTW That IS Boaz territory.

#53 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-16 04:39 PM | Reply

orry to go into Boaz territory, but I have to ask. Why is it when a woman is drunk and then something terrible happens, she's not seen as responsible, but when a man is drunk and does something terrible, he is totally responsible?
#48 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

You should read the article.

Christine Blasey Ford wasn't drunk.

Kavanaugh and a friend were. Kavanaugh cornered the her. Pinned her down. And did a ham fisted job of raping her.

Now. Please. Hang your head in shame. And excuse yourself from the table.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-16 04:39 PM | Reply

"Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you'll find."

A hundred dollars in a trailer park? Probably buy you a bag of meth. Or 4 girls names Kerri Anna Lynn and May.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-16 04:42 PM | Reply

- a proper investigation
By the same crowd that still makes excuses for Al Franken.

There never was a proper investigation made into the accusations against Franken. No one testified under oath, no one took a lie detector test, and some of his accusers are still anonymous.

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Translation: A delay of the vote, which was the goal all along.

#42 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-09-16 04:22 PM | FLAG: Fine with sexual assault

#57 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 04:43 PM | Reply

From this moment forward, nobody can ever claim that what someone did as a teenager 30 years ago doesn't matter today.

Whatever anyone ever did, it disqualifies them from politics forever. The case is now closed. Kavanaugh cannot be confirmed.

This is now the standard and cannot be disputed. #All-Unsubstantiated-and-Uncorroborated-Claims-Matter

#58 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hahaha. She orchestrates a hit job and "hopes" the attacks will stop.

#39 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-09-16 04:14 PM | FLAG: Fine with harassment

#59 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 04:45 PM | Reply

@ninaandtito

Narrative Control & the OPTICS of the #Kavanaugh Hearing.
It's almost like the whole "let's bring a bunch of girls he coaches in basketball to the hearing for photo ops" was staged because they knew something bad was coming.
You can hear the PR narrative creation wheels turning.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 04:46 PM | Reply

#58

Thanks for contributing the environment that makes it harder for abuse victims to come forward.
I'll be your mother is proud of you.

#61 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 04:47 PM | Reply

"Why is it when a woman is drunk and then something terrible happens, she's not seen as responsible,"

Because we don't blame victims, we blame perpetrators.

#62 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

From this moment forward, nobody can ever claim that what sexual assault someone did as a teenager 30 years ago doesn't matter today.

FTFY

And yes, don't think anything has changed, it should have always been this way. Thanks for your recognition of the obvious.

#63 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey Dirk, found a job for you. Lord knows you need one. You could be a teacher's assistant at Beloit College.

Critical Identity Studies

From the introductory course, "Sex and Power," to the advanced theoretical courses which include "Whiteness," "Masculinities," "Gender Bending," "Race and Culture," "Feminism and Politics," "'Black Lives Matter," and "Thinking Queerly," CRIS courses are always interdisciplinary, intersectional, and oriented toward social justice. As such, Critical Identity Studies emphasizes the importance of communicating across differences as a means to fulfill the College's mission of empowering students "to lead fulfilling lives marked by high achievement, personal responsibility, and public contribution in a diverse society."

www.beloit.edu

#64 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#64

Sounds great. I'm overqualified, of course but hey, maybe I'll apply and do my part to keep another generation from turning out like you.

#65 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"From this moment forward, nobody can ever claim that what someone did as a teenager 30 years ago doesn't matter today.
Whatever anyone ever did, it disqualifies them from politics forever. The case is now closed. Kavanaugh cannot be confirmed.
This is now the standard and cannot be disputed. #All-Unsubstantiated-and-Uncorroborated-Claims-Matter"

It would make a difference if Kavanaugh is guilty of Ford's accusations, I think, if he admitted to his actions, apologized for them and explained how/when he came to understand what he had done was a serious mistake, which caused him to stop drinking excessively and attempting to sexually harassing women against their will.

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hey Sheeple, how long did it take you to grow out of your awkward adolescent sexual assault phase? Boys will be boys, am I right?

#67 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 04:57 PM | Reply

#66

Absolutely this.

#68 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 04:59 PM | Reply

#66 If Kavanaugh, like his friend Judge, was prone to drinking and blacking out and truly doesn't remember the incident, he could admit that too, apologize for what he did while stinkin' drunk, and again, explain how/when he realized his drinking had become a serious problem.

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 05:00 PM | Reply

From this moment forward, nobody can ever claim that what someone did as a teenager 30 years ago doesn't matter today.

That's what happens when stuff goes on your permanent record. Theft. Assault. Jail time. Rape. Murder. All end up in a permanent record.

Perhaps you want a different set of rules for republicans.


Whatever anyone ever did, it disqualifies them from politics forever.

Welcome to politics. I never realized how naive you are.

The case is now closed. Kavanaugh cannot be confirmed.

If I've learned anything about Trumpublicans. It's this. Rapists adulterers and pedos are "a-okay" as long as they aren't democrats.

So. Kavanaugh may still be seated. Trumpublicans have no morals. Why start now?

This is now the standard and cannot be disputed.
#58 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Forget it sheep. It's politics. Neither side plays fair. Only the dirty win. And Republicans have been winning since they got Obama to use to drum fear into the hearts of their constituents.

Now tables are turned. Democrats will try to win by using Trump to drum fear into the hearts of their constituents.

And the world keeps turning.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-16 05:01 PM | Reply

#69

The accusation is still is very serious, of course, but it is not as if he couldn't say he tried to be better to women going forward (as has come out repeatedly in the hearings).

#71 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 05:03 PM | Reply

Mine was a general question, not directed at thos situation.
So if someone is drunk and commits a crime, they are responsible, but if they're drunk and allow themselves to be a victim, they're not responsible, got it.
Very consistent with the American idea of always finding someone to punish.

#72 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-09-16 05:05 PM | Reply

#71 Yes, provided Ford's accusation is a one-off. If more women come forward from his high school or college years (or later), then a simple apology would not be enough.

#73 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 05:06 PM | Reply

@#30 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Plonk him he's just another Russian troll pretending to be from the greatest nation on earth rather than a vodka swilling no body pining for the Soviet Union and increasingly looking forward to the day America's Air force provides him with the sweet release of death.

#74 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-16 05:08 PM | Reply

-- harassing women

Oh now it's "women" plural. Unbelievable.

#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 05:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

- Forget it sheep. It's politics. Neither side plays fair. Only the dirty win.

Yeah, I know. It's all rather disgusting.

My pipe dream is that Dem's return to their roots, take the high road, and start running on working class middle and poor policies.

And leave all these dirty tactics to the right, where they belong.

#76 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Oh now it's "women" plural. Unbelievable."

hahaha. Well you know she can't be the only one.

The evolution is inevitable. #MissionAccomplished

#77 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 05:12 PM | Reply

#71

Such admissions would take humility and recognition of unacceptable behaviors in the past. It would also signal a personal empathy towards the victims of such behaviors and an acknowledgement that one's personal actions negatively impacted the rights and liberty of other human beings. These things are anathema to those who feel that ascending into power is a birthright of the privileged and to be protected and used with impunity against those weak enough to find themselves victims to their "betters".

Kavanaugh shows no history of these types of admissions that I've seen, and certainly if he did try to express regret, Trump would be livid.

#78 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mine was a general question, not directed at thos situation.
So if someone is drunk and commits a crime, they are responsible, but if they're drunk and allow themselves to be a victim, they're not responsible, got it.
Very consistent with the American idea of always finding someone to punish.

POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2018-09-16 05:05 PM | REPLY

Boaz taught you well.

#79 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-16 05:13 PM | Reply

So if someone is drunk and commits a crime, they are responsible, but if they're drunk and allow themselves to be a victim, they're not responsible, got it.

How did you establish A) that she was "drunk" from a single beer; and B) she "allow(ed) herself to be a victim"? Are you saying she did something to warrant the behavior she reports from Kavanaugh and Judge? Or are you shaming her for being in a drinking situation amongst her friends and peers in high school as though teen boys and girls haven't been drinking beers without committing sexual assaults since forever? Going to the bathroom makes her responsible for what two teen boys did to her?

Not understanding the logic here.

#80 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 05:19 PM | Reply

"-- harassing women
Oh now it's "women" plural. Unbelievable."

No, it's not. You'll note (ha! no, you won't) that I said "if Kavanaugh is guilty of Ford's accusations." I never said he was irrefutably guilty of one assault, let alone many assaults:

#71 Yes, provided Ford's accusation is a one-off. If more women come forward from his high school or college years (or later), then a simple apology would not be enough.

But to I'll change the hypothetical in my original statement to make this clear:

"It would make a difference if Kavanaugh is guilty of Ford's accusations, I think, if he admitted to his actions, apologized for them and explained how/when he came to understand what he had done was a serious mistake, which caused him to stop drinking excessively and attempting to sexually harass a woman against her will."

#81 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 05:22 PM | Reply

So if someone is drunk and commits a crime, they are responsible, but if they're drunk and allow themselves to be a victim, they're not responsible, got it.

You talking to yourself?

Also. You're setting up a very specific situation where the person claiming to be the victim, allowed themselves to be so.

Ultimately. When it becomes the victim's burden to prove they were raped. The victim usually prefers to drop it. Rather than having to extend their torment.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-16 05:23 PM | Reply

"Oh now it's "women" plural. Unbelievable."
hahaha. Well you know she can't be the only one.
The evolution is inevitable. #MissionAccomplished

See #81. So you believe her? Good to know. Is she the only one? I don't known, and neither do you. Perhaps time will tell.

#83 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 05:25 PM | Reply

"but if they're drunk and allow themselves to be a victim, they're not responsible, got it."

What if they're not drunk and they allow themselves to be a victim. Still responsible?

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-16 05:31 PM | Reply

Again with the lawyerly answer of not remembering:

Here Is What Brett Kavanaugh Said About Sexual Misconduct In His Hearings

Kavanaugh was also a clerk for Alex Kozinski, who resigned as a federal appeals court judge over allegations of sexually harassing and mistreating law clerks. Kavanaugh has said he never remembered witnessing Kozinski sexually harass anyone.

www.huffingtonpost.com

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 05:34 PM | Reply

What if they're not drunk and they allow themselves to be a victim. Still responsible?

She fought off two teen boys likely considerably larger and stronger than she was and she got away from them successfully. That's quite responsible in my book, but what do I know?

#86 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kinda hard to tell if she is lying or not. Only the 2 of them and Xenu know the truth of what happened.

#87 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-16 05:35 PM | Reply

I wonder who the other guy is and if his last name is Trump.

#88 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-16 05:43 PM | Reply

Kinda hard to tell if she is lying or not. Only the 2 of them and Xenu know the truth of what happened.

POSTED BY BYRDMAN AT 2018-09-16 05:35 PM | REPLY

They found 10.4 grams of pot in her possession which is a Quarter Pound and that had a contributing factor in her rape.

#89 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-16 05:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Why do liberals defend him as though it's necessary for the current discussion?"

Because they got trolled.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-16 05:45 PM | Reply

"but if they're drunk and allow themselves to be a victim"

Disgusting victim blaming.

#91 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 05:58 PM | Reply

Tony, somehow you missed my first sentence,"asking in general, not pertaining to this situation".

#92 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-09-16 05:59 PM | Reply

Sorry, and not to take away from real pain, but certain situations require extra caution. In my 20s I used to fall asleep late at night waiting for the subway. Would I have been surprised if I got mugged, not at all.

#93 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-09-16 06:02 PM | Reply

I agree with your 86 Tony. She was smart enough not to get too drunk to handle herself.

#94 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-09-16 06:04 PM | Reply

#93

Again, disgusting victim blaming. You should be ashamed.

#95 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 06:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Any idea where Bill Clinton was at in this time line?

#96 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2018-09-16 06:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Laura you have no idea and neither do I if she is lying or not. Just because she is a woman doesn't mean she isn't full of crap. This happened a long time ago. Who knows what happened. If you want me to speculate I can.

#97 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-16 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tony, somehow you missed my first sentence,"asking in general, not pertaining to this situation".

The situation shouldn't matter if the person being victimized would be alright if the perpetrators simply left her alone. I understand the ethos of responsibility, but I draw the line when any person takes advantage of any situation to violate the right to be left alone by anyone else. It's really that simple.

The line always must be at consent: Unless consent is given to acquiesce to the precise actions of the perpetrators then the state of the aggrieved is that of a victim, not an accomplice to what others choose to do.

#98 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 06:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, well, well...video has surfaced - www.youtube.com

#99 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 06:21 PM | Reply

#97. She passed a polygraph about the incident and her therapist's notes from 2012 couple's counseling at least partially confirm her account, so veracity isn't that questionable.

#100 | Posted by Karabekian at 2018-09-16 06:25 PM | Reply

#97

You can, and you can read precisely what she says and remembers and what she doesn't. You can assess her actions from 5 years ago when she first recounted the story and how it affected her relationships with men and her current husband. You can assess her career and character from those who know her. You can find out what the other people she named as being at the party in question remember, especially Kavanaugh's then friend Mark Judge, whose written extensively about his alcohol abuse as a teenager and "blacking out," not remembering his behavior when extremely drunk. You can assess Kavanaugh's judgment in bragging about his teen age drinking in self-penned words bragging about being in keg clubs during high school. You can assess Jones' passing of a polygraph test administered by a former FBI agent as to the veracity of her story. You can assess Kavanaugh's decision to join a club known for unabashed excessive drinking entitled "---- and -----" during his days at Yale.

By all means assess whatever information available so that you can reach an informed conclusion. That's all that's being asked of anyone, but especially the 100 senators tasked with deciding whether a man of this character belongs with a lifetime appointment to our highest court.

#101 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 06:31 PM | Reply

Polygraph isn't admissible in court because it is unreliable. I have no doubt she had some contact with Kavanaugh but the real question is if at the time it was consensual and if she changed her story. This isn't a bill Cosby type story where there are tons of accusers. Mark Judge who was there said "I have no recollection of that." wouldn't he remember that?

He also said "It's just absolutely nuts. I never saw Brett act that way," Judge told the Weekly Standard of the Kavanaugh accusations.

#102 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-16 06:33 PM | Reply

www.theguardian.com

False memories of sexual abuse lead to terrible miscarriages of justice

#103 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-16 06:37 PM | Reply

Polygraph isn't admissible in court because it is unreliable. I have no doubt she had some contact with Kavanaugh but the real question is if at the time it was consensual and if she changed her story. This isn't a bill Cosby type story where there are tons of accusers. Mark Judge who was there said "I have no recollection of that." wouldn't he remember that?

You haven't read the story. The polygraph is to negate outright charges of lying or just making something up. Kavanaugh denies the details completely, so there is no allegation of "changing the story." You seem ignorant of the details, educate yourself. This is no he said she said. "He said" nothing happened and the second person who admitted to blacking out from excessive drinking says that he has "no recollection", which is NOT a denial and is consistent with his own blackout admissions. She says they were both heavily intoxicated at the time of the attack.

The opinions of other people who were not present at the party truly does not matter much as to whether the accused attack happened or not. Jones' detailed description is quite full, and she has no reason to unjustly accuse Kavanaugh based on the chronology of events.

#104 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 06:44 PM | Reply

"Polygraph isn't admissible in court because it is unreliable."

Eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable, and it's allowed.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-16 06:49 PM | Reply

"False memories of sexual abuse lead to terrible miscarriages of justice"

So does pettifogging.

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-16 06:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Time to get serious folks:

Flake opposes quick vote on Kavanaugh, putting confirmation in doubt

Sen. Jeff Flake, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in an interview Sunday evening that until he learns more about the sexual assault allegation regarding Brett Kavanaugh, he is "not comfortable voting yes" on Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court at a scheduled Judiciary Committee hearing on Thursday.

The Arizona senator is one of 11 Republicans on the narrowly divided panel, and without his support, the nomination cannot move forward given Democratic opposition. "We need to hear from her. And I don't think I'm alone in this," Flake told POLITICO.

If Flake is serious, the committee vote sits at 10-10 and the nomination will not pass at this point Grassley be damned.

#107 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 07:27 PM | Reply

Nice try. Anita Hill didn't accuse Thomas of anything other than inappropriate remarks.
#7 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-09-16 02:32 PM

Clarence Thomas has a lengthy history of sexual harassment. He was placed regardless because Republicans are always morally bankrupt scum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Clarence_Thomas_Supreme_Court_nomination#Statements_in_support_of_Hill's_allegations

..
Two women, Angela Wright and Rose Jourdain, made statements to Senate staffers in support of Hill. Ultimately, however, Wright and Jourdain were dismissed by the Judiciary Committee without testifying.[36] The reasons why Wright was not called (or chose not to be called) to testify are complex and a matter of some dispute;[37][38] Republican Senators wanted to avoid the prospect of a second woman describing inappropriate behavior by Thomas, while Democratic Senators were concerned about Wright's credibility and Wright herself was reluctant to testify after seeing the Committee's treatment of Hill, including Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter stating that he felt Hill's testimony was perjurious in its entirety.[13][37][38] During the Thomas nomination proceedings, Wright and Hill were the only people who publicly alleged that then-Judge Thomas had made unsolicited sexual advances, and Hill was the only one who testified to that effect.[39]

Wright, who was one of Thomas' subordinates at the EEOC until he fired her, told Senate Judiciary Committee staff that Thomas had repeatedly made comments to her much like those he allegedly made to Hill, including pressuring her for dates, asking her the size of her breasts, and frequently commenting on the anatomy of other women.[40] Wright said that after she turned down Thomas for a date, Thomas began to express discontent with her work and eventually fired her. Thomas said that he fired Wright for poor performance and for using a homophobic epithet.

Rose Jourdain also did not testify but corroborated Wright's statements, saying Wright had spoken to her about Thomas' statements at the time they were allegedly made. Jourdain stated that Wright had become "increasingly uneasy" around Thomas because of his constant commentary about her body and looks, and that Wright once came to Jourdain's office in tears as a result.[13]

Another former Thomas assistant, Sukari Hardnett, did not accuse Thomas of sexual harassment, but told the Judiciary Committee staff that "if you were young, black, female, reasonably attractive and worked directly for Clarence Thomas, you knew full well you were being inspected and auditioned as a female."[41]

-continues.

What was it that Anita alleges Clarence was harassing her about? The porn he watched, finding public hair around the workplace, her breasts, etc. He is a lecherous piece of --- who should never have achieved the position of Supreme Court Justice.

I'll let you post her quotes.

#108 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-16 07:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sen. Lindsey Graham on Kavanaugh's Accuser: "I Would Gladly Listen to What She Has to Say"

On Sunday afternoon, South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said he would be open to hearing directly from Christine Blasey Ford, the alleged sexual assault victim of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, during the Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearings.

Graham said he agreed with the committee's concerns about the "substance and process" of the allegations, but maintained that he would "gladly listen to what she has to say." If Ford does speak to the committee, he added, "it should be done immediately so the process can continue as scheduled."

Looks like Ford is going to Washington very soon and no committee vote will be held until she has testified.

#109 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 07:38 PM | Reply

@ Sheeple, in your native tongue...

Эй, чертовски руски Хиллджак, как сегодня погода в Санкт-Петербурге, Россия?

#110 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-09-16 07:51 PM | Reply

"-- harassing women
Oh now it's "women" plural. Unbelievable."

PS I have corrected my original statement to make it clear what I meant, but my use of women plural was not incorrect:

"It would make a difference if Kavanaugh is guilty of Ford's accusations, I think, if he admitted to his actions, apologized for them and explained how/when he came to understand what he had done was a serious mistake, which caused him to stop drinking excessively and attempting to sexually harassing women against their will."

I wasn't saying he had already sexually harassed more than one woman. I was saying that if he had sexually harassed Ford because of drunkenness, then realized his behavior was unacceptable and decided to stop drinking to prevent such behavior from potentially happening again, it would have been because if it did happen again, he would have been responsible for sexually harassing two women. I didn't express my point well, but I honestly wasn't trying to imply he had sexually harassed multiple women. In fact, as I said later in the thread, if he had done so, a simple apology wouldn't work. I should have said:

"It would make a difference if Kavanaugh is guilty of Ford's accusations, I think, if he admitted to his actions, apologized for them and explained how/when he came to understand what he had done was a serious mistake, which caused him to stop drinking excessively and attempting to sexually harass another woman/anymore women against her/their will."

#111 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 08:19 PM | Reply

They found 10.4 grams of pot in her possession which is a Quarter Pound and that had a contributing factor in her rape.

One Pound = 16 oz.

1 oz = 28.33495 grams.

One Pound = 453.952 grams.

10.4 grams = 2.029099% of a pound.

#112 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-09-16 08:29 PM | Reply

What I'd like to know is if Kavanaugh is still a lush . . . like we were surprised to find out about Rear Admiral/Dr. Ronny Jackson when he was Trump's White House physician.

Dr. Jackson was known to "drink on the job" according to reports by VP Pence's doctor (who was the one who reported him). Heaven help us if Kavanaugh imbibes in secret or carries a flask under his robe while he makes life and death decisions.

By all means, yes, he should be investigated.

#113 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-09-16 08:32 PM | Reply

They found 10.4 grams of pot in her possession which is a Quarter Pound and that had a contributing factor in her rape.
One Pound = 16 oz.
1 oz = 28.33495 grams.
One Pound = 453.952 grams.
10.4 grams = 2.029099% of a pound.

POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2018-09-16 08:29 PM | REPLY

Lee Merritt is anti police no matter the situation. The police are only trying to get the facts. Before we rush to judgement let's wait for all the info to come out. He had more than a QP of weed. Maybe he was a narcotics dealer and when she came to the door he thought it was a raid and was rushing to attack her when she shot him. That sounds plausible to me.
POSTED BY BYRDMAN AT 2018-09-14 03:49 PM | REPLY

"He had more than a QP"
This is the point where I give you the opportunity to admit that you have no idea what you're talking about and misspoke or that you pulled that straight out your ass. 10.4 grams of weed is roughly 3/8 of an ounce, not a pound.

#8 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2018-09-14 04:15 PM | FLAG:

#114 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-16 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What I'd like to know is if Kavanaugh is still a lush ... like ... Rear Admiral/Dr. Ronny Jackson
Dr. Jackson was known to "drink on the job"
By all means, yes, he should be investigated.

#113 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

I haven't heard Kavanaugh deny that he's been killing prostitutes since the early 90's.

Have you? Me neither. Seems suspicious.

I mean, why wouldn't he deny it unless he's guilty? He looks guilty. of something.

#115 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 08:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--What I'd like to know is if Kavanaugh is still a lush

Pathetic.

#116 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 09:05 PM | Reply

Byrdman must have been homeschooled.

#117 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-09-16 09:11 PM | Reply

Byrdman must have been homeschooled.

POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON AT 2018-09-16 09:11 PM | REPLY

He's from 60 miles north of here. Some of them are touched in the head.

#118 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-16 09:20 PM | Reply

Read the letter Christine Blasey Ford sent accusing Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct

www.cnn.com

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 09:21 PM | Reply

Agenthades @Agenthades1

Why did Mark Judge, Kavanaugh's friend who was mentioned in the letter of the accuser as the "other guy" quickly delete his entire Youtube channel and Facebook?

#120 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 09:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#119 TY

July 30 2018
CONFIDENTIAL
Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein;

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court.

As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of REDACTED.

Both were one to two years older than me and students at a local private school.

The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and four others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stair well from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music precluding any successful attempt to yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with REDACTED, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth I feared he may inadvertently kill me.

From across the room a very drunken REDACTED said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when REDACTED jumped onto the bed the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stair well at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see REDACTED once at the REDACTED where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6 I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information . It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently REDACTED and will be in REDACTED.

In confidence, REDACTED.

#121 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 09:32 PM | Reply

#120

Because he doesn't want psychos like many on the DR Left stalking him.

#122 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 09:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why did Mark Judge, Kavanaugh's friend who was mentioned in the letter of the accuser as the "other guy" quickly delete his entire Youtube channel and Facebook?
#120 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Guilty!! We got him by the -----!

#123 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 09:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I did see REDACTED (Mark Judge) once at the REDACTED where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.


As I said and Gal has confirmed, Mark Judge is the key and his history of self-confessed teen binge drinking/alcoholism problems dovetails with Ford's story.

#16 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

#124 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 09:37 PM | Reply

Judge is a book author and a conservative journalist. I reckon he is used to the spotlight, though probably not at this intense of a level:

Judge also wrote a book called Wasted: Tales of a GenX Drunk. The book blurb on Amazon reads, "The author recounts his own struggle against alcoholism, and describes his research into the causes of addiction and the history of treatment and recovery."

The Amazon description continues, "With a touch of dark humor, Mark Judge takes the reader on a 12-step journey through his experience as a teenage alcoholic and the revelations that led to his recovery. This coming-of-age memoir is presented from the perspective of an ‘ordinary' kid who grew up in a small town outside Washington, D.C., attended Catholic school, and experimented with alcohol in a fairly typical way. What is atypical is where the experimentation led. While his drunken acts first appear as little more than adolescent antics and harmless pranks, it slowly becomes apparent that there is a serious problem lurking behind the laughs and half-racks. After a series of events leads him into depression, humiliation, and confusion, Judge discovers both Alcoholics Anonymous and Milan Recovery, launching the narrative into a history of the programs and their respective pros and cons, the physiological roots of alcoholism, and the various misnomers related to the disease. In relating his experiences, Judge relies on his skills as a journalist to track the causes of addiction and the effectiveness of traditional recovery techniques while maintaining a deeply personal, though often cynical, tone."

According to the book described "his own blackout drinking and a culture of partying among students at his high school, renamed in the book ‘Loyola Prep.'" Although Kavanaugh is not mentioned in the book, according to The Post, a reference about a beach party references "Bart O'Kavanaugh," who "puked in someone's car the other night" and "passed out on his way back from a party."


heavy.com

#125 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 09:38 PM | Reply

OMG, this has TRoma so fired up he is pulling a Corky and quoting himself.

TFF.

This too, shall pass...

#126 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 09:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

This place is like the angry mob with pitchforks hunting down the Frankenstein monster.

#127 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 09:39 PM | Reply

#127

Such a fine line...

#128 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 09:48 PM | Reply

Judge is also a filmmaker:

Mark Judge is a journalist and filmmaker. His books include A Tremor of Bliss: Sex, Catholicism, and Rock 'n' Roll and Damn Senators: My Grandfather and the Story of Washington's Only World Series Championship. His work has appeared in the Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal and the Daily Caller. He writes a weekly column for Real Clear Books and is the producer of Whittaker Chambers: A Documentary Film, which is now in production.

acculturated.com

You can read some of his articles at the link.

#129 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 09:48 PM | Reply

#129

Like I said, he really needs to worry about crazy stalkers (not you Gal, but you are showing how easy it is to get info about him)...

#130 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 09:50 PM | Reply

Only those obsessed with projecting their own behaviors upon others mistake a call for sober investigation as "the angry mob with pitchforks." 17 year old Brett Kavanaugh is implicated in an indecent act of violence against a then 15 year old girl while being drunk and in the company of his friend, who admits to "his own blackout drinking and a culture of partying among students at his high school."

No pitchforks needed, only questions for the man who acknowledged his weakness to alcohol and admittedly changed the trajectory of his life in a positive direction. If only Kavanaugh had admitted his own behavior instead of denying what his friend likely knows to be true. But there's no out of control mob here, just truthseekers working hard to stop blinded imbeciles like you who'd place someone on the SCOTUS without a thorough accounting of his character from the firsthand testimony of someone claiming to be a victim of it at its worst.

#131 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 09:51 PM | Reply

#130 That could explain taking down FB, for sure, but what about Youtube? Do people usually post personally identifying information on it? Maybe they do; I'm not that familiar.

#132 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 09:53 PM | Reply

Like I said, he really needs to worry about crazy stalkers (not you Gal, but you are showing how easy it is to get info about him)...

#130 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

And you will probably be one of the first to post negative information about the professor - whom you've already laughed at for her place of employment - as soon as the nearest rightwing smear vendor belches it out.

It's easy to get info about anyone in today's world if one operates in the public realm. Judge's past and present are inescapably public already, scrubbing his cyber footprint will only lead to more scrutiny, it won't hide the truth that he lived and published.

#133 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 09:59 PM | Reply

#133 That's right, Tony. And let's not forget, he's already confessed to illegal underage drinking.

If we can trap him into admitting that he smoked weed, we got him.

#134 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 10:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And you will probably be one of the first to post negative information about the professor - whom you've already laughed at for her place of employment - as soon as the nearest rightwing smear vendor belches it out.

Tony, I grew up in NorCal and Palo Alto "University" has been known as the Crazybin since the 70's.

Nice try though.

#135 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 10:21 PM | Reply

"if drunk and allow themselves to be victimized" Does NOT apply if you take the Professor at her word, which is that she had one beer and was overpowered during a trip upstairs to the bathroom.

#136 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-16 10:23 PM | Reply

#138

Honest officer, I only had one beer...

#137 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 10:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Palo Alto "University" has been known as the Crazybin since the 70's.

Well in that case, we should completely disregard documented sexual assault allegations against a SCOTUS nominee.

Right?

#138 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-16 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

STFU and your cherry picking Joe, I was responding to TARoma's retort about my criticizing her place of employment.

#139 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 10:34 PM | Reply

Let he/she who has not been drunk at a HS/College party cast the first stone...

#140 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 10:35 PM | Reply

I scrolled through your other posts on the topic and this appears to be your sole area of concern. Do you agree or disagree with #138?

#141 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-16 10:38 PM | Reply

LOL, my other posts are about crazies like you stalking Mark Judge.

Your strawman in #138 is duly noted, though.

Are you casting the first stone then?

#142 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 10:39 PM | Reply

I now know your MO Joe...you get indignant, tell someone that they are stupid/wrong and then accuse them of calling others names.

Like I say to Snoofy...I'm not playing your game.

#143 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-16 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

?

Seems like you have me confused with someone else.

Your avoidance of the topic at hand is noted. Enjpy your night!

#144 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-16 10:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@FakeLawyer/Joe Dirt aka WrongO'thetime....

You're projecting again counselor.
You need to concentrate on your own behavior there slappy.

#145 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-09-16 10:49 PM | Reply

Tony, I grew up in NorCal and Palo Alto "University" has been known as the Crazybin since the 70's.
Nice try though.

#135 | POSTED BY Fakelawyer AT 2018-09-16
You lie, you never grew up. You play a Lawyer on the internet and then get pissed when real lawyers call you out on your lack of knowledge.
Your president is going to be removed from office, your political party is going to get decimated and destroyed for decades and you know it, so your lies are cover for the pain of realizing what's going to happen. It must suck to be you.

#146 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-09-16 10:59 PM | Reply

get real RoC, one or five beers doesn't really matter if she was actually overpowered. Furthermore, Professor Ford has presented a credible story while we have witnessed Kavanaugh lie and dodge questions all last week, making him a less credible witness. That said, I'm not too keen on blocking any appointment for a mistake they made in high school. I think Kavanaugh must be blocked to preserve rights women have successfully established through our Courts, which Kavanaugh has made clear, through public and written speeches, that he believes were incorrectly decided.

Feinstein could have visited this question in a number of ways, without exposing the victim.

Kavanaugh is lying his way through the hearings. He is an intellectual lightweight with a bizarre set of reactionary beliefs, similar in many ways to Thomas. In short his belief that government has the right to order individuals how they may control their own bodies, whether they like it or not. These ideas go beyond abortion. Republicans DON'T CARE.

#147 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-16 11:00 PM | Reply

"...Your president is going to be removed from office, your political party is going to get decimated and destroyed for decades...

Honestly, isn't that what this is all about?

#148 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 11:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Honestly, isn't that what this is all about?

#148 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2018-09-16 11:01 PM | FLAG:

No. Do you not care about a sexual assault allegation against a SCOTUS nominee?

#149 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-16 11:10 PM | Reply

The demise of both parties has been prematurely declared repeatedly. The elites that operate all our commercial systems, depend on the duopoly to maintain the illusion of choice, as a control strategy. The only substantive difference is their Supreme Court appointments, which are extremely important.

We are in a helluva mess. But, there is little chance of fixing anything until the next financial crisis, at which point everybody's BS meters should go off scale.

#150 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-16 11:17 PM | Reply

Look, raping women in college is part of the "College Experience." I mean, what woman hasn't gotten out of college and been raped repeatedly by an alpha male like Kavananaugh. She probably enjoyed it, anyway. Also probably why she took so long to divulge the rapery...because she really liked it. Plus, where's the rape kit and police report, hmmmmm? Sounds like another satisfied customer to me now trying to make bank on a consensual boinking that happened, what, 30 years ago? It gave her an ego boost you don't get with normal dating. Just throw some money at her and shut her up. That's what you usually have to do with Jezebels like this.

--Republicans, etc.

#151 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-09-16 11:44 PM | Reply

Do you not care about a sexual assault allegation against a SCOTUS nominee?

This guy will be confirmed even it it's proven without a doubt that he's Josef Mengele.

#152 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-09-16 11:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

SHEEPLE @115

"I mean, why wouldn't he deny it unless he's guilty? He looks guilty. of something."

Call it what you want but Dr. Ronny Jackson looked pure as the driven snow too. Jackson was one of those "who knew" examples of what went undisclosed for years. I'd rather not see the same thing happen with the "lifetime appointment" of a justice to the Supreme Court when a cursory investigation would clear him of any addiction. Anybody who knows anything about the ravages of alcoholism at an early age (like his friend Mark Judge) would take heed.

I can understand why you (and Nulli) don't want to turn over any rocks that might interfere with the confirmation. However, I happen to be one of those people who'd rather be safe than sorry when it's too late to do anything about it, short of the impeachment of a Supreme Court Justice after the fact.

We already know we're not getting the cream of the crop with Kavanaugh. I'd rather not find out later that it's worse than we thought.

#153 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-09-17 04:05 AM | Reply

Confirming Kavanaugh is like buying a used car with a warranty of 10 miles or ten minutes . . . whichever comes first.

#154 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-09-17 04:38 AM | Reply

In my opinion it's not whether or not Kavanaugh tried to rape an underage girl. He can skate on that with the usual drunken "I don't remember" defense. It's what's known and written about by a friend who called him a teen alcoholic and whether or not he is, right now, a "closet alcoholic."

Then I top that off with the known and obvious lies/misrepresentatives he committed during the Senate hearings.

Kavanaugh just doesn't pass the smell test. And that's aside from the REAL reasons Trump picked him as a nominee. As we all know, the fish always stinks from the head down.

Everything Trump touches dies."

#155 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-09-17 05:53 AM | Reply

I don't care about that woman or her story. Kavanaugh has disqualified himself with his statements about Roe v Wade, his belief that even birth control is abortion. The guy is a nut case and isn't, in any way, qualified to be a SC Justice. Democrats should inform him that if and when we gain a large enough majority he will be impeached if he is confirmed now and that he will never be respected as a legitimate SC Justice. He should be hounded when in public, should be shamed when he is at church. He is a menace to our society joining four other menaces who mean our nation harm.

#156 | Posted by danni at 2018-09-17 06:19 AM | Reply

That said, I'm not too keen on blocking any appointment for a mistake they made in high school.

We all made mistakes at that age, but i can confidently say that neither I nor anyone I knew held a woman down and covered her mouth while trying to rape her. Chalking that up to a mere teenage mistake is wrong.

I agree with your overall point that I'd rather see Kavanaugh's ideology be the reason he is not confirmed, but that's not going to happen in this Congress. If this is what it takes to bring him down, so be it.

#157 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 07:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DANNI

Kavanaugh and Trump share a common psychological deformity. Making life as miserable for women that they possibly can.

We know what ails Trump but I wonder wonder what female related drama in his life made Kavanaugh so insecure that he's compelled to strike out so viciously toward women. He seems to feel threatened to the core by the opposite sex. Much like Trump, he wants to punish women in any way he can. In fact, I think he even enjoys it.

#158 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-09-17 07:22 AM | Reply

As far as a calcified belief system goes, Kavanaugh reminds me of that weirdo Senator from Pennsylvania way back in 1996 ~ Rick Santorum.

#159 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-09-17 07:38 AM | Reply

"Much like Trump, he wants to punish women in any way he can. In fact, I think he even enjoys it."

Both seem to believe women are to be controlled, managed, owned.

"I agree with your overall point that I'd rather see Kavanaugh's ideology be the reason he is not confirmed, but that's not going to happen in this Congress. If this is what it takes to bring him down, so be it."

No argument here. Bring him down any way they can.

#160 | Posted by danni at 2018-09-17 08:05 AM | Reply

@steve_vladeck
Senate Republicans kept a #SCOTUS seat open -- and the Court short-handed -- for 422 days after Justice Scalia died, solely for partisan, political reasons.

So far, it's been 47 days since Justice Kennedy retired.

If nothing else, the Senate can take some time to sort this out, no?

#161 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 08:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Brett Kavanaugh Accuser Willing To Testify Before Senate Judiciary Committee
"Wherever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai

#162 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 08:21 AM | Reply

Correction: "No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai, 1984

#163 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 08:25 AM | Reply

Sorry to go into Boaz territory, but I have to ask. Why is it when a woman is drunk and then something terrible happens, she's not seen as responsible, but when a man is drunk and does something terrible, he is totally responsible?

Since when did truth and a common sense question be made out to be out of the mainstream?

#164 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-17 08:44 AM | Reply

--his belief that even birth control is abortion.

That's a flat-out lie.

#165 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 08:49 AM | Reply

"That's a flat-out lie.

#165"

"abortion inducing drugs"

You are a flat-out liar.

#166 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-09-17 09:02 AM | Reply

"--his belief that even birth control is abortion.
That's a flat-out lie."

He said it, he wrote it. Take it up with him if you don't like it.

"On the third day of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he referred to contraception as "abortion-inducing drugs."

Judge Kavanaugh was responding to a question from Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Thursday about his 2015 dissent in the Priests for Life v. HHS case. Kavanaugh had sided with the religious organization, which didn't want to provide employees with insurance coverage for contraceptives."

www.huffingtonpost.com

Furthermore, with more and more revelations about priests, sorry, their right to "religious freedom" is gag inducing. They are lucky to stay out of prison for child molestation. I do not consider them to be "religious." More like immoral pieces of crap, if they didn't, themselves, commit the crimes they knew who did.

#167 | Posted by danni at 2018-09-17 09:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Approximately over 30 years ago.
Don't know exactly where it happened.
Don't know exactly when it happened.
Only other identified witness denies it happened. But conveniently suffered blackouts so his lack of memory can't be considered evidence of anything.

Have I missed anything? corroborating evidence of any kind?

Is it relevant that she's a liberal activist and her family has a history with his? Probably not.

#168 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-09-17 09:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

--he referred to contraception as "abortion-inducing drugs."

No, he was stating the plantiffs' views. This was thoroughly discussed and debunked a week ago. You must have slept through it.

#169 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 09:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did Brett Kavanaugh call birth control abortion-inducing drugs? No

www.politifact.com

#170 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Why is it when a woman is drunk and then something terrible happens, she's not seen as responsible, but when a man is drunk and does something terrible, he is totally responsible? "

Because a drunk woman can't stick her vagina into a penis, uninvited.

#171 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-09-17 09:43 AM | Reply

--Is it relevant that she's a liberal activist and her family has a history with his? Probably not.

Maybe just a coincidence that she's a Trump hater.

""It's a science party!" said biostatistician Christine Blasey, of Palo Alto, who will wear an elaborately knitted cap of the human brain -- yarn turned into a supersized cerebral cortex -- inspired by the "----- hats" donned during the Women's Marches."

www.mercurynews.com

#172 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 09:54 AM | Reply

Here's where we are at his moment in time:

The White House re-issued Kavanaugh's "categorical and unequivocal" denial to the Washington Post, which is no small detail. There were some suggestions over the weekend that it's a mistake to condemn the judge for actions he allegedly took when he was a drunk teenager. The incident, if it happened at all, was decades ago, the argument goes, and it's not fair to define a 53-year-old Supreme Court nominee by what he's accused of having done in high school.

The problem with this argument is that Kavanaugh isn't the one making it. On the contrary, the judge's official line is that the incident in question simply never happened and that his accuser is lying.

And that pushes us away from a debate about holding someone responsible for alleged actions from his past and into a debate about holding someone responsible for their current actions. If Kavanaugh is lying now about an alleged attack on a teen-aged girl, there's simply no credible way this dishonesty can be dismissed by senators as irrelevant.

Which means those senators have an important challenge ahead of them.

It strains credulity that the events recounted by Dr. Ford were simply made up in her imagination when the admitted public records of both men (and the written and documented travails of Judge, including his self admission of blackouts from excessive drinking during his high school years) show teenagers proud of their drinking activities. The corroboration of third parties began in 2002 and was further detailed in 2012, long before Kavanaugh was tapped for his nomination. Common sense, logic, and a supporting polygraph all point to the veracity of her claims as she's stated them. Kavanaugh says that she's lying. There were other people at that party who have been identified by Dr. Ford even though they did not witness the alleged assault. They need to be queried as well. One is lying (or has no accurate recollection due to impairment) and one is telling the truth. To the best of our abilities, we need to find out which is which.

#173 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 09:58 AM | Reply

Perhaps I missed a post, but what about a statue of limitations?

Most everything has a statute of limitations, except murder (depends on the state).

While I would be all for things like child molestation not having a statue of limitations, it hasn't happened yet.

This should be looked into, but it's pretty unprovable and after all these decades...

#174 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-09-17 09:58 AM | Reply

"Why is it when a woman is drunk and then something terrible happens, she's not seen as responsible, but when a man is drunk and does something terrible, he is totally responsible? "
Because a drunk woman can't stick her vagina into a penis, uninvited.

#171 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-09-17 09:43 AM

What a disgusting example of misandry.

Apparently you are unaware of male victims of rape, and Id bet domestic violence as well.
I've helped such victims, and trust men can be raped.

Maybe your perverse worldview and politics won't allow it.

#175 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-09-17 10:05 AM | Reply

#174

Reportedly there is no statute of limitations on sexual assault in Maryland, though no one involved (so far) is seeking to pursue any criminal claims in this matter.

#176 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 10:06 AM | Reply

Apparently you are unaware of male victims of rape, and Id bet domestic violence as well.
I've helped such victims, and trust men can be raped.

JFC, I thought you were someone of intellect. The example queried had nothing to do with men being raped or abused. The point was to the sexist division of personal responsibility when a man takes liberties with a non-consenting impaired woman, alluding to the false notion that she herself stands responsibility for what a man does to her simply because she's inebriated and perhaps viewed as an easier target or some-such dreck.

#177 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 10:12 AM | Reply

And to the physical impossibility of a woman placing her "vagina into a penis," hence woman cannot "rape" non-consenting men in the heterosexual context of the comment.

#178 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 10:16 AM | Reply

And to the physical impossibility of a woman placing her "vagina into a penis," hence woman cannot "rape" non-consenting men in the heterosexual context of the comment.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-09-17 10:16 AM | REPLY

WRONG Please do try again.

#179 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 10:18 AM | Reply

#179

Explain how a vagina can rape, Laura? I'm all ears.

#180 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 10:25 AM | Reply

"No, he was stating the plantiffs' views"

a plaintiff who he was supporting.

#181 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-09-17 10:31 AM | Reply

This was thoroughly discussed and debunked a week ago.

No, that conversation showed that at best, Kavanaugh was cherry-picking, and at worst, he was deliberately mischaracterizing. You must have slept through it, just like every other substantive discussion that occurs here.

#182 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 10:44 AM | Reply

#182

See post #170, "counselor."

#183 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember the 65 women who signed last week's letter vouching for Brett Kavanaugh's character?

Politico attempted to contact all the women on the letter to see if they still stood behind Kavanaugh in light of Ford's allegations, and so far just two have said they did.
In fairness, the vast majority of the women haven't responded to inquiries at all, and two others declined to comment.

#184 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Confirmation hearing or multi-generational soap opera? Turns out that Kavanaugh's mother was the judge in his attempted-rape accuser's parents' home-foreclosure case.

Turns out that Brett Kavanaugh's mother was the judge in in a 1996 home-foreclosure case in which the defendants were the parents of Kavanaugh's last-minute attempted-rape accuser Christine Blasey Ford.

blogstupidgirl.wordpress.com

Hatfields vs. the McCoys?

#185 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 10:56 AM | Reply

Explain how a vagina can rape, Laura? I'm all ears.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-09-17 10:25 AM | REPLY

Forcing a man to penetrate a woman is still heterosexual rape slick. It's the same thing.

#186 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

they had 65 women ready to go in a days notice because they knew the Kavanaugh past might come up.

sick

#187 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-09-17 11:02 AM | Reply

--they had 65 women ready to go in a days notice because they knew the Kavanaugh past might come up.

Another debunked lie.

#188 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 11:04 AM | Reply

#185

The rightwing smear machine never disappoints, but can we keep the topic narrowed down to the behaviors and histories of the actual persons involved in the actions in question or material witnesses while leaving other relatives out of it?

Kavanaugh High School Pal Writes In Memoir Of Being Wild Drunk With Girls

Mark Judge, a classmate of Kavanaugh's at the all-male Georgetown Prep the time of the alleged assault, tells stories in his 1997 memoir, Wasted: Tales of a GenX Drunk, of binge drinking at teen parties and trying to "hook up" with girls.

Judge recalls in his book how his life changed when he first got drunk at the age of 14 and later battled alcoholism.

His "immersion" into alcohol began the end of his sophomore year during a typical annual "beach week," when Catholic high school students headed to the shore after school was out. "Now I had an opportunity to make some headway [with girls]. Most of the time everyone, including the girls, was drunk. If you could breathe and walk at the same time, you could hook up," he wrote.

His drinking became so extreme that he had blackout episodes, and woke up on the floor of a restaurant bathroom with no memory of how he got there. Once "I had the first beer, I found it impossible to stop until I was completely annihilated," he wrote.

Judge restated his denial (of Ford's allegations) on Sunday, after Ford came forward in a Washington Post interview. "I repeat my earlier statement that I have no recollection of any of the events described in today's Post article or attributed to her letter," he said in a statement to The Weekly Standard.

Having no recollection is not analogous to any denial that the events never happened.

#189 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 11:07 AM | Reply

"Forcing a man to penetrate a woman ..." - #186 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 10:58 AM

Is that like trying to put an oyster in the coin slot of a vending machine?

#190 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 11:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#186

Please reread the comment. It is clear you misunderstand what was said. No one was talking about forcing a man to do anything. The topic was a man forcing his penis into a vagina against the will of an impaired woman and what amount of responsibility for HIS ACTIONS she should bear. A woman cannot physically force her vagina into a penis. It's impossible which is what I stated.

#191 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 11:10 AM | Reply

Please reread the comment. It is clear you misunderstand what was said. No one was talking about forcing a man to do anything. The topic was a man forcing his penis into a vagina against the will of an impaired woman and what amount of responsibility for HIS ACTIONS she should bear. A woman cannot physically force her vagina into a penis. It's impossible which is what I stated.

#191 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-09-17 11:10 AM | FLAG:

You said

hence woman cannot "rape" non-consenting men in the heterosexual context of the comment.

#178 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-09-17 10:16 AM | FLAG:

#192 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 11:13 AM | Reply

Explain how a vagina can rape, Laura? I'm all ears.
#180 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Is that like trying to put an oyster in the coin slot of a vending machine?
#190 | POSTED BY HANS

Woah, woah. Quiet in the courtroom.

Tony #9 Romo and Hans Scissorhands are giving oral and written deposition to define rape.

Proceed, gentlemen.

#193 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 11:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sauce for the goose:

Alumnae Of Christine Blasey Ford's High School Circulate Letter Of Support

A group of women who went to Christine Blasey Ford's high school are circulating a letter to show support for the woman who has alleged that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh tried to sexually assault her while they were in high school.

"We believe Dr. Blasey Ford and are grateful that she came forward to tell her story," says a draft letter from alumnae of Holton-Arms, a private girls school in Bethesda, Maryland. "It demands a thorough and independent investigation before the Senate can reasonably vote on Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to a lifetime seat on the nation's highest court."

The women also say that what Ford is alleging "is all too consistent with stories we heard and lived while attending Holton. Many of us are survivors ourselves."

It appears that today's women are not going to be victimized again by the same forces they claim to have been victimized by before.

#194 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

36 years ago in High School. Dems sure did have to search deep

funny how you Liberals don't talk much about the #metoo movement, probably because almost all the perps are liberals

#195 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-09-17 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

See post #170

For a very sloppy argument from politifact? Guess i'll have to debunk that too.

They claim:

Harris cut an important second out of the clip -- the attribution. Kavanaugh said, "They said filling out the form would make them complicit in the provision of the abortion-inducing drugs that they were, as a religious matter, objecting to."

"They" refers to a Catholic nonprofit group, Priests for Life...a Justice Department spokeswoman said Kavanaugh was using the limited time available to summarize the arguments made by the plaintiff.

I've read the pleadings from the Priests for Life case. Not even their lawyers argued that the required coverages under the ACA were limited to "abortion-inducing drugs." Instead, they more accurately stated that the required services included "contraception, sterilization, abortifacients, and related education and counseling."
So even if Kavanaugh was attempting to "paraphrase," he was either cherry-picking or flat-out mischaracterizing. Your choice.

#196 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 11:18 AM | Reply

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#197 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 11:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#192

Use the complete statement and perhaps you'll understand:

And to the physical impossibility of a woman placing her "vagina into a penis," hence woman cannot "rape" non-consenting men in the heterosexual context of the comment.

#178 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Yes, men can rape women by placing their penis into the woman's vagina (heterosexual sex act) without consent. Women cannot place their vaginas INTO A PENIS, ergo women cannot rape men in the same context of the physical reverse.

Women can rape men, just not in the same exact physical way.

#198 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 11:22 AM | Reply

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lol

#199 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#197

Sorta like ROC and Leftcoastlawyer used to do.

#200 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 11:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"...probably because almost all the perps are liberals." - #195 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-09-17 11:17 AM

Roy Moore is a liberal?
Pat Meehan is a liberal?
Trent Franks is a liberal?
Joe Barton is a liberal?
Tim Murphy is a liberal?
Blake Farenthold is a liberal?
Herman Cain is a liberal?
Scott DesJarlais is a liberal?
Donald Trump is a liberal?

#201 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

After Garland, I get it - do anything to try and derail this nomination. Having said that, this is really low.

#202 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-17 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#203 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 11:27 AM | Reply

#202 What is "low" about coming forward with documented sexual assault allegations in July that were relayed to others long before Kavanaugh's nomination?

I think attempted rape is low. Guess we have different priorities?

#204 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 11:29 AM | Reply

#196 | Posted by JOE

Irrelevant. The original, false assertion was that it was his personal belief, not a mischaracterization of the plantiffs belief, "counselor."

"his belief that even birth control is abortion."

#205 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 11:30 AM | Reply

"Women cannot place their vaginas INTO A PENIS"

I'm pretty sure no except for you has ever thought of this exact scenario in the context of heterosexual rape.

Women can force men into having coitus.

#206 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-09-17 11:40 AM | Reply

Contrast Judge's comments:

His "immersion" into alcohol began the end of his sophomore year during a typical annual "beach week," when Catholic high school students headed to the shore after school was out. "Now I had an opportunity to make some headway [with girls]. Most of the time everyone, including the girls, was drunk. If you could breathe and walk at the same time, you could hook up," he wrote.

His drinking became so extreme that he had blackout episodes, and woke up on the floor of a restaurant bathroom with no memory of how he got there. Once "I had the first beer, I found it impossible to stop until I was completely annihilated," he wrote.

with the women's comments who attended high school with Ford:

"We believe Dr. Blasey Ford and are grateful that she came forward to tell her story," says a draft letter from alumnae of Holton-Arms, a private girls school in Bethesda, Maryland. "It demands a thorough and independent investigation before the Senate can reasonably vote on Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to a lifetime seat on the nation's highest court."

The women also say that what Ford is alleging "is all too consistent with stories we heard and lived while attending Holton. Many of us are survivors ourselves."

None of this is proof that what Ford said happened to her with Kavanaugh and Judge, specifically, did happen, but it does indicate that the kind of scenario she describes was not an unheard of or uncommon occurrence.

#207 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 11:45 AM | Reply

"funny how you Liberals don't talk much about the #metoo movement, probably because almost all the perps are liberals"

Stop, just stop with this BS. Perps come in all shapes and sizes, all forms of religious and political beliefs.

#208 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Irrelevant. The original, false assertion was that it was his personal belief, not a mischaracterization of the plantiffs belief

There is a reason he chose to mischaracterize. Unless you just think he's stupid.

#209 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 11:48 AM | Reply

Stop, just stop with this BS. Perps come in all shapes and sizes, all forms of religious and political beliefs.

#208 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2018-09-17 11:48 AM

It's unfortunate that I can only give you 1 NW flag.

#210 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-17 11:52 AM | Reply

After Garland, I get it - do anything to try and derail this nomination. Having said that, this is really low.

#202 | Posted by JeffJ

It's only low if it's not true.

And even if it's not true, nothing is as low as what repubs did when scalia died. At that point they were declaring anything goes to get a supreme court seat. Now they're going to whine that something isn't fair?

#211 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

funny how you Liberals don't talk much about the #metoo movement, probably because almost all the perps are liberals

#195 | Posted by Maverick

Yeah roger ailes and bill o reilly and trump are such liberals.

#212 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 11:54 AM | Reply

Daniel Lippman @dlippman

.@AndrewRestuccia and I called many of Kavanaugh's 65 female HS acquittances who signed a letter supporting him. After his accuser came out on Sunday, only TWO said they still stood by him. More than two dozen didn't respond, and two declined to comment.

Lippman = Reporter @Politico and co-author of Politico Playbook. Alum @WSJ @Reuters and @McClatchyDC

#213 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 11:55 AM | Reply

#207 They make Kav out to be a raging alcoholic, ammazing that he could graduate with high honers and get into Yale with that kind of problem.

#214 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-09-17 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#213 Article with this info:

www.politico.com

#215 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 11:58 AM | Reply

"...high honers..." - #214 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-09-17 11:55 AM

Is that another way of saying turgid?

#216 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 12:00 PM | Reply

#214#207 They make Kav out to be a raging alcoholic, ammazing that he could graduate with high honers and get into Yale with that kind of problem.

They? Those quotes are from Mark Judge about himself. He wrote a memoir about being an alcoholic and his recovery from the disease.

#217 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder how Kavanaugh feels about vasectomies as a form of contraception.

#218 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-09-17 12:04 PM | Reply

They? Those quotes are from Mark Judge about himself. He wrote a memoir about being an alcoholic and his recovery from the disease.

#217 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

I guess you "missed" the comments on this thread calling Kavanaugh a lush.

#219 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 12:07 PM | Reply

Sniper referred directly to my post #207. If he was referring to other people's comments in this thread, he should have indicated that.

#220 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I guess you "missed" the comments on this thread calling Kavanaugh a lush.

Jesus, Nulli, you're just so hostile and quick to judge. I didn't "miss" those comments. I was responding to a comment directed at my post.

#221 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 12:12 PM | Reply

I guess you "missed" the comments on this thread calling Kavanaugh a lush.

lush
ləSH/Submit
informal
noun

noun: lush; plural noun: lushes

1. a heavy drinker, especially a habitual one.

In Kavanaugh's Georgetown Prep yearbook, he listed himself as the treasurer of the "Keg City Club -- 100 Kegs or Bust" and included references to the "Beach Week Ralph Club".

www.dailywire.com

In Mark Judge's book (he) changes the name of his high school to "Loyola Prep," and makes a glancing reference at a character he calls "Bart O'Kavanaugh."

A girl at a party, wrote Judge, asked him: "Do you know Bart O'Kavanaugh? I heard he puked in someone's car the other night." Judge responds: "Yeah he passed out on his way back from a party."

With good reason.

#222 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 12:17 PM | Reply

#214#207 They make Kav out to be a raging alcoholic, ammazing that he could graduate with high honers and get into Yale with that kind of problem.
They? Those quotes are from Mark Judge about himself. He wrote a memoir about being an alcoholic and his recovery from the disease.

#217 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2018-09-17 12:00 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

So don't confirm Mark Judge then.

#223 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-09-17 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Unlike you Nulli, I normally don't do drive-by's, I back my conjectures and allusions with the reasons why I make them and the evidence I've found to reach them.

And usually the definitions of the words I choose back me up to the letter of my comments.

#224 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 12:20 PM | Reply

#222 & 224 Yes, and the same can usually be said of TwinPac. That's why Snippy needs to direct his comments to the people who made them, so they can explain why.

#225 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 12:24 PM | Reply

They make Kav out to be a raging alcoholic, ammazing that he could graduate with high honers and get into Yale with that kind of problem.

#214 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Are you wholly ignorant of the history and prevalence of binge drinking by students at the most prestigious and academically rigorous universities in the country? These kids are under immense scholastic pressure and far too many choose alcohol as their release, mostly when their studies are done.

It's called coping by those with a modicum of intelligence and understanding.

#226 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 12:33 PM | Reply

This statement from Ford's fellow alumnae is interesting because one of the women who started
the letter signing campaign in support of Kavanagh is Virginia Hume, Britt Hume's daughter, who is also an alumna of the school. Not everyone who graduated from the school back then is on the same page it seems:

"We believe Dr. Blasey Ford and are grateful that she came forward to tell her story," says a draft letter from alumnae of Holton-Arms, a private girls school in Bethesda, Maryland. "It demands a thorough and independent investigation before the Senate can reasonably vote on Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to a lifetime seat on the nation's highest court."

The women also say that what Ford is alleging "is all too consistent with stories we heard and lived while attending Holton. Many of us are survivors ourselves."

#227 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 12:47 PM | Reply

#226 Wrong idiot, these schools are very strict and structured, I went to one so I should know and it was around the same time as Kav. If you are a binge drinker there is no way you would not be caught and if you were caught you would get suspended or kicked out. And in high school kids who drank or tried to drink drank beer which wasn't too easy to hide so not sure where the Kav was into Kegs would have come from. If this was college I could see it happening all day long, but not in a boarding school, especially this one where the slightest f-up gets you kicked out.

#228 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-09-17 12:53 PM | Reply

You went to a prep school? Can you let me know which one so i make sure to tell everyone how bad it is?

#229 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 12:58 PM | Reply

Have Mark Judge Testify Along with Christine Blasey Ford (and Kavanaugh)

Update: Brit Hume's daughter, Virginia, who went to Holton Arms with Ford and organized the letter signed by 65 women attesting to Kavanaugh's character, was tweeting with Judge about ignoring youthful indiscretions last year.

www.emptywheel.net

#230 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 12:59 PM | Reply

The women also say that what Ford is alleging "is all too consistent with stories we heard and lived while attending Holton. Many of us are survivors ourselves."

#227 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2018-09-17 12:47 PM | FLAG:

This was an all girl's boarding school. If these woman were talking about a perverted male teacher or someone else that worked at the school than the "survivors" comment might make sense but insinuating that they were molested or raped by some boy from another school coming there for a dance and in particular Kav's school is hard to swallow. You would need to pull a mission impossible breakin move to get into one of those girl's rooms which would be even more difficult if you were drunk. Security and teachers who live on the halls watch them like hawks. And if you did get in and got caught you would get kicked out of school.

#231 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-09-17 01:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#207 They make Kav out to be a raging alcoholic, ammazing that he could graduate with high honers and get into Yale with that kind of problem.

#214 | Posted by fishpaw

Why? Dubya did.

#232 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 01:05 PM | Reply

This was an all girl's boarding school. If these woman were talking about a perverted male teacher or someone else that worked at the school than the "survivors" comment might make sense but insinuating that they were molested or raped by some boy from another school coming there for a dance and in particular Kav's school is hard to swallow. You would need to pull a mission impossible breakin move to get into one of those girl's rooms which would be even more difficult if you were drunk. Security and teachers who live on the halls watch them like hawks. And if you did get in and got caught you would get kicked out of school.

#231 | Posted by fishpaw

You're flailing.

#233 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 01:05 PM | Reply

#228 Sure, because we know no one underage ever goes on drunken binges during "Beach Week" or during the summer without getting caught and kicked out of school. My family wasn't rich enough for private schools or country clubs, but the summer after high school I worked at the concession stand at the local swim club. Sneaking back onto the pool grounds after hours to drink and fool around was something that did happen. No one ever got caught, and it didn't go on anyone's permanent record.

#234 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 01:06 PM | Reply

#228

Blow it out your butt Fishfool. I graduated from Notre Dame in 1982 and had close friends at Harvard, Yale and Princeton during the same timeframe. Binge drinking was and continues to be an ongoing problem that you'd understand if you bothered to take in the information already placed in front of your eyes. Good grief man, both Kavanaugh's and Judge's personal histories prove that binge drinkers can and do matriculate with academic success despite their drinking. It was one of the things Ford mentions in her article/letter, that her assailants had risen to prestigious stations in life where they were highly respected even though her experience was entirely different with them.

I don't know why your experience was so cloistered, but there are volumes and volumes reciting just what I've stated to statistically back up the prevalence of binge drinking at colleges. Why not argue with them instead of me acting as the messenger?

#235 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 01:11 PM | Reply

"This was an all girl's boarding school. If these woman were talking about a perverted male teacher or someone else that worked at the school than the "survivors" comment might make sense but insinuating that they were molested or raped by some boy from another school coming there for a dance and in particular Kav's school is hard to swallow. You would need to pull a mission impossible breakin move to get into one of those girl's rooms which would be even more difficult if you were drunk. Security and teachers who live on the halls watch them like hawks. And if you did get in and got caught you would get kicked out of school."

From Ford's letter to Feinstein:

"The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and four others."

From her account to the Washington Post:

While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

www.washingtonpost.com

#236 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 01:13 PM | Reply

#228 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

You're such a transparent liar. And "kav"? Lame.

#237 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-09-17 01:17 PM | Reply

#236 It is unclear to me when the incident is said to have happened. It may have been during beach week or over the summer since Ford says she was wearing a bathing suit. Also, according to her account, it didn't happen at her school.

#238 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 01:18 PM | Reply

You're flailing.
#233 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The entire thread, like Dems as a whole, is/are flailing.

You/They'll use anything they can find to obstruct, disrupt, #resist.

It's just another political hack job by the Losers of 2016.

Admit it, if the script was flipped, all of you would be screaming #FakeNews. That's a fact, Jack

#239 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Explain how a vagina can rape, Laura? I'm all ears.

#180 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

A woman can rape. My husband is a victim, and normally I would not post about it but I feel like there is a lot of mis-information out there. I have not read beyond the post I am replying to so I dont know if anyone else has addressed this yet. Many years ago my husband was working in a position that put him in people's homes/yards every day. There was one home he had to go to often and he always said the woman made him uncomfortable but he brushed it off as harmless. She would always offer them something to drink. On one occasion he had to go to her home on his own, his usual partner called in that day, and he drank a small glass of tea. To this day we do not know exactly what it was spiked with and his memory is foggy about the events of that afternoon. He recalls drinking the tea and going about his job in her yard. He remembers her cornering him in the backyard and by this time he was feeling tired and sort of weak limbed. She was able to overpower him and take advantage of him. Whatever she gave him not only made him weak, it supplied the needed --------. He came home directly from her home in the company vehicle. He was shaking, on the verge of tears, and disoriented. He still doesnt remember how he left or the drive home. He doesnt even remember the full encounter. He reported her, and quit that company that very afternoon. He has never again worked in a job that put him in such a position because it stresses him out. He was absolutely raped and I am sure there are many men out there like him. To think this is just a problem for women is short-sighted.

#240 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2018-09-17 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Admit it, if the script was flipped, all of you would be screaming #FakeNews. That's a fact, Jack

#239 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Did they do that before?

I don't remember them doing that with Al Franken. In fact, I remember the exact opposite.

Sheeple, you're getting pretty pathetic. You're a joke.

#241 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-09-17 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Has anyone asked Kavanaugh if he has experienced alcoholic blackouts?

#242 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-17 02:47 PM | Reply

Admit it, if the script was flipped

#239 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018

If Kavanaugh had class, he'd step aside for Merrick Garland.

#243 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-17 02:49 PM | Reply

It's not in the Republic's interest to confirm a man to the SC who is even remotely suspected of being a confederate of Donald Trump in future criminal cases.

#244 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-17 02:51 PM | Reply

Has anyone asked Kavanaugh if he has experienced alcoholic blackouts?
#242 | POSTED BY ZED

"I have no recollection of any such blackouts."

#245 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-09-17 02:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Women cannot place their vaginas INTO A PENIS, ergo women cannot rape men in the same context of the physical reverse. Women can rape men, just not in the same exact physical way."

Really a distinction without a difference. I can't even imagine why you would take the trouble to point that out. And to double and triple down on the argument... why? What purpose does it serve?

#246 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-09-17 02:57 PM | Reply

The entire thread, like Dems as a whole, is/are flailing.

#239 | Posted by SheepleSchism

So in rides our progressive hero to attack dems and help trump's agenda as usual.

#247 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 03:01 PM | Reply

#247 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I'm not the one who votes for wealthy elite mansion-dwellers who have sold out working class Americans and exploit the poor and marginalized for political careers.

Let me know when you tire of these corporate shape-shifting lizards. We can hold hands and skip down to the voting booth together.

#248 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 03:18 PM | Reply

Blow it out your butt Fishfool. I graduated from Notre Dame in 1982 and had close friends at Harvard, Yale and Princeton during the same timeframe. Binge drinking was and continues to be an ongoing problem that you'd understand if you bothered to take in the information already placed in front of your eyes. Good grief man, both Kavanaugh's and Judge's personal histories prove that binge drinkers can and do matriculate with academic success despite their drinking. It was one of the things Ford mentions in her article/letter, that her assailants had risen to prestigious stations in life where they were highly respected even though her experience was entirely different with them.
I don't know why your experience was so cloistered, but there are volumes and volumes reciting just what I've stated to statistically back up the prevalence of binge drinking at colleges. Why not argue with them instead of me acting as the messenger?

#235 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-09-17 01:11 PM | REPLY

You are talking about College, I am talking about Prep school. People with drinking problems in college failed out, people with drinking problems in high school got kicked out.

#249 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-09-17 03:23 PM | Reply

"I'm not the one who votes for wealthy elite mansion-dwellers who have sold out working class Americans and exploit the poor and marginalized for political careers."

LOL.
Russians exploited you to further Donald Trump's political career.

#250 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 03:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Women cannot place their vaginas INTO A PENIS

I only see responses to this but not the original.

Who's responsible for that gem of a thought?

#251 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-17 03:24 PM | Reply

#240 | Posted by justagirl_idaho Thank you for telling your husband's story. I hope it isn't "many men" who have experienced this type of violation. His gut told him something was off, but how was he to know she'd spike his ice tea? I've heard of men spiking women's drinks but had never heard of a woman spike a man's nonalcoholic drink like that.

#252 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 03:25 PM | Reply

"people with drinking problems in high school got kicked out."

You're not elite enough to know what happens at high end private schools, Fishpaw.

#253 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 03:25 PM | Reply

"You are talking about College, I am talking about Prep school. People with drinking problems in college failed out, people with drinking problems in high school got kicked out."

I don't know the answer to this: Did Mark Judge get kicked out?

#254 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 03:28 PM | Reply

"To think this is just a problem for women is short-sighted."

It is.
When it comes to adults, most rape victims are women.
Not so much for children.

#255 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 03:31 PM | Reply

I don't remember them doing that with Al Franken. In fact, I remember the exact opposite.
#241 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I Recall several people (inCluding one whom I Am not alloweD to mention by namE) who in effect said that Franken should not have resigned, that what he did 'was different', and that even after several women came forward to claim that he shoved his tongue down their throats and grabbed butts and -----.

Bill Clinton is STILL excused to this day after being accused of RAPE, as well as sexual assault.

So don't even attempt to claim you and many here don't have a double standard. It's an established fact.

#256 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 03:33 PM | Reply

I'm not the one who votes for wealthy elite mansion-dwellers who have sold out working class Americans and exploit the poor and marginalized for political careers.

Let me know when you tire of these corporate shape-shifting lizards. We can hold hands and skip down to the voting booth together.

#248 | Posted by SheepleSchism

No you're the idiot who attacks the people who agree with your priorities the most and defends those who are most opposed to your priorities like some sort of dyslexic dropout activist.

#257 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 03:40 PM | Reply

- who attacks the people who agree with your priorities

Electing wealthy elites tethered to corporate lobbyists and forever war profiteers is the polar opposite of my priorities.

#258 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 03:45 PM | Reply

#255 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I will give you that most are, however I think it is more prevalent than any would suspect. I think that men are usually too ashamed to come forward. It blows their tough guy image. Also, how many people would actually believe a man in that position? I know without a shadow of a doubt that back then my young jealous self would have believed my husband cheated and was trying to cover his --- if he hadnt been so distraught and noticeably intoxicated.

#259 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2018-09-17 03:45 PM | Reply

"Electing wealthy elites tethered to corporate lobbyists and forever war profiteers is the polar opposite of my priorities.
POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

You have lost the ability to read the script and can only short-sightedly focus on the actors.

If you read the script, it's obvious the working class does better under a Democrat President.

Explain why you reject what the script says. Do you disagree, the working class doesn't do better under a Democrat President? If not, then what's your beef?

#260 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 03:49 PM | Reply

#240 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

Love you Girl, but I already said the same thing. Please go back and reread the context of the comment made by Danforth and then expounded upon by myself in multiple posts. It was to disabuse any notion of "responsibility for the man's action of physical rape" placed on the condition of the woman's sobriety who is then victimized.

Women can rape men, just not in the same exact physical way.

#198 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

A woman cannot physically rape by placing her vagina IN a penis, not on a penis. That was the extent of the analogy.

#261 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 03:54 PM | Reply

#251

Go back to #171 in response to #48.

#262 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 03:58 PM | Reply

@steve_vladeck
Senate Republicans kept a #SCOTUS seat open -- and the Court short-handed -- for 422 days after Justice Scalia died, solely for partisan, political reasons.
So far, it's been 47 days since Justice Kennedy retired.
If nothing else, the Senate can take some time to sort this out, no?
#161 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-09-17 08:15 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Even when Obama had a "super majority" nothing was done to protect us, but whistleblowers were destroyed to protect the government. There never was a Democrat representative, other than maybe Jimmy Carter. William Jefferson Clinton repealed part of Glass Steagle. There is no reason to believe either party, ever.

Why are key legislators and justice perverted rapists and junkies? Because government is the best place to HIDE AND PROFITEER, particularly when you get paid to remain in ALECs pocket.

And look at what they put into office currently.. the "Democratic Government" system is obviously not functioning at all.

"...probably because almost all the perps are liberals." - #195 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-09-17 11:17 AM
Roy Moore is a liberal?
Pat Meehan is a liberal?
Trent Franks is a liberal?
Joe Barton is a liberal?
Tim Murphy is a liberal?
Blake Farenthold is a liberal?
Herman Cain is a liberal?
Scott DesJarlais is a liberal?
Donald Trump is a liberal?

#201 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-09-17 11:26 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 3

Republican people have no shame. None.

Collins will undoubtedly confirm Kavanaugh, btw. She was the first to claim Franken needed to step down prior to any investigation.

It's not in the Republic's interest to confirm a man to the SC who is even remotely suspected of being a confederate of Donald Trump in future criminal cases.
#244 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2018-09-17 02:51 PM

Obviously Repubicans would wholly disagree. Lobbyist money holds more influence than millions of citizens donating their spare $10.00

Kavanaugh will not permit Trump to testify in person. Isn't that the fear? They don't want to "appear" corrupt?

#263 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-17 03:59 PM | Reply

What if its a really small vagina and a really big penis?

#264 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-09-17 04:00 PM | Reply

Haha. Don't worry, a Kavanaugh type judge will be put on the court. Trump has 24 more choices on his fallback list. I'm sure someone is in the works making dirt on those as well, but you can't get em all.

#265 | Posted by sames1 at 2018-09-17 04:01 PM | Reply

You have lost the ability to read the script and can only short-sightedly focus on the actors.
#260 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The script is a lie written by bad actors. Crumbs for the masses, millions for the elite.

You've been hoodwinked. over and over again. Just look at the cities they run.

#266 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 04:08 PM | Reply

Haha. Don't worry, a Kavanaugh type judge will be put on the court. Trump has 24 more choices on his fallback list.

If Kavanaugh tanks, there would not be time for another hearing process before the midterms. If the Dems take the Senate which is now a real possibility, there will be no kavanaugh-type judges being confirmed.

Two big ifs, i realize, but it's possible.

#267 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 04:09 PM | Reply

#267 | POSTED BY JOE

If Democrats succeed in tanking this nomination (which means a follow-up nomination won't go through the process until after the midterms) and they take the Senate Kennedy's seat will be open until 2021 (at the earliest). The GOP will have gotten just desserts for Garland.

#268 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-17 04:15 PM | Reply

"The script is a lie written by bad actors.
#266 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

Your life is a slow-motion paranoid break with reality.
The script currently reads: Unemployment has been declining for 10 years.
Which party of crooks is responsible for that?

#269 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 04:16 PM | Reply

"Just look at the cities they run"

Just look at Flint's poisoned water to see how the other party runs a city.

#270 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 04:18 PM | Reply

I don't know why anybody bothers engaging sheeple.

He's either

A. Burnt out bitter stoner who just hates the world
B. Dumbass early 20 something who's far too full of himself
C. Russian troll

#271 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-17 04:30 PM | Reply

"people with drinking problems in high school got kicked out."
You're not elite enough to know what happens at high end private schools, Fishpaw.

#253 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-09-17 03:25 PM | FLAG:

Wrong, I went to one and I was a goody non drinker and non smoker. It all went to hell in college.

#272 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-09-17 04:32 PM | Reply

D. All Of The Above

#273 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 04:32 PM | Reply

LOL Fishpaw is a Trust Fund baby!

#274 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 04:33 PM | Reply

They found 10.4 grams of pot in her possession which is a Quarter Pound

umm no it's not laura.

#275 | Posted by cjk85 at 2018-09-17 04:33 PM | Reply

Looks like the town drunk has a crush on Sheeple.

#276 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 04:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

They found 10.4 grams of pot in her possession which is a Quarter Pound
umm no it's not laura.

POSTED BY CJK85 AT 2018-09-17 04:33 PM | REPLY

RELAX I was throwing shade at Byrdman .

#277 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 04:36 PM | Reply

The GOP will have gotten just desserts for Garland.

I suppose. Another way of looking at it would be that just desserts for Garland would be no Gorsuch, and that Kavanaugh should be allowed to tank on his own if he's actually an attempted rapist.

#278 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 04:52 PM | Reply

Another way of looking at it would be that just desserts for Garland would be no Gorsuch, and that Kavanaugh should be allowed to tank on his own if he's actually an attempted rapist.

POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-09-17 04:52 PM | REPLY

THAT and Mitch McConnell's resignation for violating Obama's constitutional right in replacing Scalia. The two must happen together.

#279 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 04:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

If you want to know why national Democrats are feckless compared to the message discipline regimented in the GOP, look no further than to what the united message regarding testimony about the Ford allegations isn't so far:

(Dr. Ford) shouldn't testify alone. Mark Judge should testify along with her. After all, according to her letter and the WaPo account, he was a witness to the event.

And while he currently claims he doesn't recall the event, she says that the one time they crossed paths afterwards, he exhibited discomfort upon seeing her.

Judge has also admitted to being an alcoholic in high school. He and Kavanaugh both admitted to being Keg Club members together, and they appear in a number of pictures together. In addition, Judge's comments about women at the time were pretty atrocious.

Virtually all the people attacking Ford's story are utterly silent on Judge's presence as a witness. I suspect that's because both his own descriptions of his social life at the time, and his professed inability to recall the event, might suggest that Kavanaugh, too, was simply too drunk to remember this attempted rape.

So if we're going to put Ford (and Kavanaugh) under oath, let's also put the one witness under oath, the one Ford says not only told Kavanaugh to "stop," but actually saved her by piling on top of the two of them, the one who (Ford claims) exhibited some memory of the event after the fact by exhibiting discomfort.

www.emptywheel.net

#280 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 05:16 PM | Reply

Electing wealthy elites tethered to corporate lobbyists and forever war profiteers is the polar opposite of my priorities.

#258 | Posted by SheepleSchism

So is defending "wealthy elites tethered to corporate lobbyists and forever war profiteers" yet that's what you've done every day since trump took office.

You didn't want the dems because they're too corporate and corrupt, yet you spend every day defending and deflecting for the most corporate corrupt dangerous polluting plutocratic sociopath we've ever seen.

It shows a basic malfunction in your logic process somewhere and indicates that thinking people should simply ignore you as a confused adolescent.

#281 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 05:20 PM | Reply

Or a russian employee. How is the weather in st petersberg this time of year?

#282 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Which party of crooks is responsible for that?
#269 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Which party is running around with their hair on fire crying,

"Our Democracy is in CRISIS!!" ?

All because of the Coronation that Wasn't

#283 | Posted by sheepleschism at 2018-09-17 05:34 PM | Reply

"Or a russian employee."

*drink*

#284 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 05:34 PM | Reply

- You didn't want the dems because they're too corporate and corrupt

The lessor evil argument? Why would you vote to continue evil, even to a lessor degree?
The only way to expel these crooks that have invaded the party is to reject them outright.

Donald Drumph and Hillary Clinton are the two greatest things that could have happened to Dem party.

It may take the November Mid-Term Massacre of Dem's and Trump's second term to spawn a liberal revolt,
that will rid us of the cancer that Slick Willied it's way into the working class party. Here's to Hope and Change!

#285 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Which party is running around with their hair on fire crying,
"Our Democracy is in CRISIS!!"

The one that isn't co-opted by the Russians and the NRA (which has in turn been co-opted by the Russians.)

What do those actors have to do with the script that shows ten years of job gains since Obama took office, and continuing after he left?

#286 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 05:40 PM | Reply

"Or a russian employee."

*drink*

#284 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I'm sorry, but is the most plausible way to explain a diehard progressive sanders supporter who turned into a reliable trump defender.

There are thousands of russians employed in st petersberg doing exactly that. So maybe you're one of them. Until you can explain switching from supporting sanders to defending someone who is the opposite of sanders, that seems like the most plausible explanation.

#287 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 05:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If Kavanaugh tanks, there would not be time for another hearing process before the midterms. If the Dems take the Senate which is now a real possibility, there will be no kavanaugh-type judges being confirmed. -#267 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-09-17 04:09 PM
Are you intentionally ignoring the time between the November election and the new Senate being seating in Jan of 2019? Adequate time to push a nominee through the process if Kavanaugh is deemed unsuited prior to the start of the October Supreme Court term.

#288 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-17 05:45 PM | Reply

- "The one that isn't co-opted by the Russians and the NRA"

The Dem's are co-opted by their own list of profiteers. The GOP has their special money.

Some dual-donors ply both sides with gobs of cash. The problem is their loyalty and impartiality to cash.

The system is broken. Nothing less than a ballot-box revolution will fix it. Bernie was right, it's rigged.

#289 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 05:47 PM | Reply

THAT and Mitch McConnell's resignation for violating Obama's constitutional right in replacing Scalia. The two must happen together.

#279 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2018-09-17 04:56 PM
Broken record, Laura. Obama had no constitutional right to replace Scalia. He had the right to nominate a replacement. The appointment of that nominee only happens with the consent of the Senate, which was never received.

#290 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-17 05:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The system is broken. Nothing less than a ballot-box revolution will fix it. Bernie was right, it's rigged.

#289 | Posted by SheepleSchism

So while you wait for that revolution to occur, you spend your days attacking the party that created the consumer protection bureau, and defending the party that is dismantling it so banks can rip us all off easer. Attacking the party that tries to limit pollution and defending the party that tries to remove any limits to profits.

Because you're really looking out for the common man aren't you?

Dumbass.

#291 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Bernie was right..." - Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 05:47 PM

"Clinton will make an outstanding president" - Bernie Sanders
Yep.

Bernie was right.

#292 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 05:56 PM | Reply

- explain switching from supporting sanders to defending someone who is the opposite of sanders

The DNC hogtied Sanders while their media lapdogs slandered him relentlessly.

As a result, you got Trump. Now eat your cake.

The wealthy-elite-corporate-friendly-forever-war dem party is your enemy. not me.

#293 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 05:57 PM | Reply

- so banks can rip us all off easer.

Boy, Obama really took care of that. and Hillary spanked them in private for a few $100 G's

You've been duped.

#294 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 05:59 PM | Reply

"The DNC hogtied Sanders..." - #293 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 05:57 PM

Just like how so-called Christians bemoan "God" being thrown out of school.

How can the God they worship as the omnipotent being be thrown out of anywhere by mere humans?

Makes him impotent, not omnipotent.

Looks like the God you worship, Bernie Sanders, is just as impotent if he can be "hogtied."

#295 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 06:01 PM | Reply

Are you intentionally ignoring the time between the November election and the new Senate being seating in Jan of 2019? Adequate time to push a nominee through the process if Kavanaugh is deemed unsuited prior to the start of the October Supreme Court term.
#288 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2018-09-17 05:45 PM

I didn't realize Mitch McConnell posted here.

#296 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 06:08 PM | Reply

The DNC hogtied Sanders while their media lapdogs slandered him relentlessly.

As a result, you got Trump. Now eat your cake.

#293 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Wait, so you're saying trump is BAD?

So why do you spend all day defending him?

WHich is worse - a corrupt DNC that caters to wealthy donors and bankers, or a corrupt RNC which caters MORE to wealthy donors and bankers, and destroys the climate, and supports a con man traitor?

Think super hard now.

You place DNC purity as a BIGGER threat to your agenda that having all branches of government controlled by people who oppose all of your agenda and priorities. You are quite the dumbass.

#297 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- so banks can rip us all off easer.

Boy, Obama really took care of that. and Hillary spanked them in private for a few $100 G's

You've been duped.

#294 | Posted by SheepleSchism

If you care to, you can go google the powers that democrats gave the CFPB to protect you from corporate greed.

Or you can just pretend it never happened and look even dumber than you already do.

#298 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 06:10 PM | Reply

"The DNC hogtied Sanders..."

Still focusing on the actors.

Still refuses to read the script.

You're a kid who really doesn't want to accept that Santa isn't real and that your parents would ever trick you over something so vital to your survival as getting toys on Christmas.

#299 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 06:20 PM | Reply

The "nuts and -----" defense is now officially in full effect:

The GOP's Dirty War Against Brett Kavanaugh's Accuser Has Begun

After taking her sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh public in the Washington Post over the weekend, Christine Blasey Ford found herself the subject of an emerging smear campaign on Monday, led by the top Republicans in Washington, who are dedicated to getting Kavanaugh onto the court above all else.

It started in earnest with Sen. Orrin Hatch, the Republican from Utah, who told CNN that Kavanaugh had assured him that "didn't do that, and he wasn't at the party" where the alleged assault occurred.

Hatch went on to say Ford must just be "mixed up" about her story, in which she describes a high school-aged Kavanaugh drunkenly holding her down, groping her, and covering her mouth when she tried to scream.

When pressed on whether he believes Ford, a research psychologist from California, Hatch replied: "I think she's mistaken."

#300 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 06:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The DNC hogtied Sanders..."

AMEN and there are people who refuse to hod the DNC and the Democratic party responsible for it.

#301 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- so banks can rip us all off easer.
Boy, Obama really took care of that. and Hillary spanked them in private for a few $100 G's
You've been duped.
#294 | Posted by SheepleSchism
If you care to, you can go google the powers that democrats gave the CFPB to protect you from corporate greed.
Or you can just pretend it never happened and look even dumber than you already do.
#298 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-09-17 06:10 PM

Did Obama repeal the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, for instance?

Oh wait, he must have re-instated Glass-Steagall, right?

#302 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-17 06:24 PM | Reply

Still focusing on the actors.
Still refuses to read the script.
You're a kid who really doesn't want to accept that Santa isn't real and that your parents would ever trick you over something so vital to your survival as getting toys on Christmas.
POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-09-17 06:20 PM | REPLY

Sad and pathetic attempt to say what happened to Sander's is OK. It's NOT OK and the DNC and the Democratic Party righteously suffered for it.

#303 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 06:26 PM | Reply

#299 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

What? Believing in Santa is like believing Clinton and the DNC did nothing wrong. You know, cause both aren't real.

#304 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-09-17 06:28 PM | Reply

The "nuts and -----" defense is now officially in full effect:

Hatch replied: "I think she's mistaken."

Hilarious hyperbole. "Mistaken" is now equivalent to "----- and nuts"? lol

#305 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 06:30 PM | Reply

"The DNC hogtied Sanders..."

AMEN and there are people who refuse to hod the DNC and the Democratic party responsible for it.

#301 | Posted by LauraMohr

And then there are people who can hold 2 true thoughts in their head at the same time:

1. The DNC cheated for hillary and is beholden to corporate donors.

2. The republicans party cheats for PUTIN, and is FAR MORE beholden to FAR WORSE donors.

#306 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 06:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#306 The "Less Evil" fallacy.

You're so gripped by the fear of more evil, that you'll vote for evil.

Look what that got you. Trump. Eat your cake.

#307 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 06:36 PM | Reply

"Look what that got you. Trump."

Are you talking to yourself?
Your vote did get you Trump, right??
Right???

#308 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Mistaken" is now equivalent to "----- and nuts"?

Can you honestly say that there is any other plausible reason that a woman would be "mistaken" after making a detailed allegation of assault that the alleged perpetrator says never happened and that he was never at the party in question to begin with, than to imply that the woman making said allegation is literally out of her mind?

Sometimes you don't really think, so you?

#309 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 06:41 PM | Reply

I'm not the one who voted for evil or less evil. I caucused for Bernie in Utah, and he won the state.

Then the DNC tanked him and the media smeared him for the Coronation that Wasn't.

Eat your cake.

#310 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 06:46 PM | Reply

"Sad and pathetic attempt to say what happened to Sander's is OK."

^
If you loved Sanders so much, why didn't you vote for the candidate he voted for, Hillary Rodham Clinton?

Because both you and Sheeple have more pride than perspicacity.
You became emotionally invested in the actor.
The actor you loved read the script, but you didn't.
The actor you loved told you what's in the script.

But you two ignored him, because you were so mad that your favorite actor didn't win the Democratic party's big award.

#311 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 06:46 PM | Reply

#306 The "Less Evil" fallacy.

You're so gripped by the fear of more evil, that you'll vote for evil.

Look what that got you. Trump. Eat your cake.

#307 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You make a thousand LESS EVIL decisions every day dumbass.

And unless you think Sanders was 100% correct on every position he ever took, you were settling on him as the less evil too.

Do you think every position sanders ever took was 100% correct on everything?

#312 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 06:46 PM | Reply

"I caucused for Bernie in Utah, and he won the state."

Good for you.
Good for Bernie.
What have you done for the Republic since then?
Nothing. You threw away your vote on a no-hoper.
Because your emotions got the better of you, and they still do.

#313 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 06:49 PM | Reply

If you loved Sanders so much, why didn't you vote for the candidate he voted for, Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Because both you and Sheeple have more pride than perspicacity.
You became emotionally invested in the actor.
The actor you loved read the script, but you didn't.
The actor you loved told you what's in the script.
But you two ignored him, because you were so mad that your favorite actor didn't win the Democratic party's big award.

POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-09-17 06:46 PM | REPLY

You and your script can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. APPARENTLY standing on principles is a foreign concept to some.

#314 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 06:53 PM | Reply

- What have you done for the Republic since then?

Like you, I type out my frustrations on the internet.

Unlike you, I go to work every day, and I don't guilt your mom into doing my laundry.

#315 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 06:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Unlike you, I go to work every day, and I don't guilt your mom into doing my laundry.

#315 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 06:53

That nails it. You're a Russian.

#316 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-17 06:57 PM | Reply

I didn't vote for Clinton because she was the less of two evils, although she was.

I thought she'd make a decent president.

#317 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-17 07:05 PM | Reply

By the way, I thought that was your mom doing my laundry.

#318 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-17 07:06 PM | Reply

You and your script can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. APPARENTLY standing on principles is a foreign concept to some.

#314 | Posted by LauraMohr

If your principles are that we need regulations to protect people from rich sociopaths and we need to take care of the planet, then refusing to vote for imperfect dems isn't supporting your principles, it's sabotaging them.

#319 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

If your principles are that we need regulations to protect people from rich sociopaths and we need to take care of the planet, then refusing to vote for imperfect dems isn't supporting your principles, it's sabotaging them.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-09-17 07:10 PM | REPLY

You're just like Snoofy. How sad.

#320 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 07:12 PM | Reply

"You and your script can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. APPARENTLY standing on principles is a foreign concept to some."

The only principle in play for you two is your own spiteful pride.
Bernie, who you love, said to vote for Hillary, who you hate.
On that fateful day, your brain got stuck.
It's still stuck two years later.
Your anger defines your politics now.
You're exactly where Putin and the GOP want you.

#321 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 07:14 PM | Reply

You're just like Snoofy. How sad.

#320 | Posted by LauraMohr

And you're just like a child who didn't get EXACTLY what they want, so they throw a tantrum and ruin the class.

Progressives are typically linked to higher intellectual capacity. But if you can't tell that republicans are far more harmful to you and your priorities than imperfect dems are, you make all progressives look stupid simply by claiming to be one.

And this is coming from a fellow clinton-hater and passionate sanders supporter.

I'm just not stupid enough to say dems are as bad for the world as repubs.

#322 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And you're just like a child who didn't get EXACTLY what they want, so they throw a tantrum and ruin the class.
Progressives are typically linked to higher intellectual capacity. But if you can't tell that republicans are far more harmful to you and your priorities than imperfect dems are, you make all progressives look stupid simply by claiming to be one.
And this is coming from a fellow clinton-hater and passionate sanders supporter.
I'm just not stupid enough to say dems are as bad for the world as repubs.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-09-17 07:20 PM | REPLY

WOW How much BS can you pack into one post?? Hillary doesn't support progressive ideas slick. Sorry

#323 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Hillary doesn't support progressive ideas slick."

1. So why did Bernie endorse her?
2. So why wasn't Bernie's endorsement good enough for you?

#324 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 07:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm just not stupid enough to say dems are as bad for the world as repubs.
#322 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Many of them are. Like the purple candidates the DCCC was pushing as they tanked and smeared progressive liberal candidates in the congressional primaries.

#325 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 07:32 PM | Reply

WOW How much BS can you pack into one post?? Hillary doesn't support progressive ideas slick. Sorry

#323 | Posted by LauraMohr

No but she wouldnt be overseeing the dismantling of the EPA or the CFPB either dumbass.

#326 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Many of them are. Like the purple candidates the DCCC was pushing as they tanked and smeared progressive liberal candidates in the congressional primaries.

#325 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Find me the democrat who wanted to destroy the consumer financial protection bureau.

I'll wait.

#327 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 07:37 PM | Reply

- So why did Bernie endorse her?

To play the Dem party game
to be allowed to speak at the convention
to try to negotiate progressive policy in the official platform
to try to get the subject of super delegates addressed
to try and unify the party.

And Clinton fought him tooth and nail the entire way. She earned her defeat.

#328 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 07:37 PM | Reply

Looks like the town drunk has a crush on Sheeple.

#276 | Posted by nullifidian

Oh look, the burnt out mush brained stoner is defending his sock puppet.

#329 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-17 07:38 PM | Reply

Find me the democrat who wanted to destroy the consumer financial protection bureau.
I'll wait.
#327 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

It can be reinstated the day after a genuine progressive liberal is sworn into office.

I'll wait.

#330 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 07:39 PM | Reply

Find me the democrat who wanted to destroy the consumer financial protection bureau.

I'll wait.

#327 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Don't feed the troll.

His entire game is to keep the thread talking about the Dems as much as possible in lieu of whatever ---- circus of the day from the GOP is being discussed.

#331 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-17 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Sad and pathetic attempt to say what happened to Sander's is OK. It's NOT OK and the DNC and the Democratic Party righteously suffered for it.
#303 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 06:26 PM | Reply

Who cares if the DNC and Democratic party are suffering? I care that Americans and immigrants in this country are suffering and not for any so-called righteous reason that I can detect.

#332 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 07:40 PM | Reply

"secret republican"
"Russian agent"
"sock puppet"

*drink*

#333 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 07:40 PM | Reply

www.politico.com

Why Does the Left Hate Hillary?
She appeared to lose her faith in progressive policies after her shattering defeat over health care in 1993.

So how did we arrive at a place today where, to some on the left, she is "the candidate of the war machine" with a "deeply pro-corporate ideology" who is "building on the legacy of Ronald Reagan." How does one go from a symbol of women's equality and battler of corporate interests to being perceived as the personification of the corrupt intersection of corporations and government?

The short answer is her record, and her husband's. Clinton's 2002 vote in the Senate to authorize an invasion of Iraq was the first big crack in her bond with the Democratic base. Her 2008 presidential campaign further alienated anti-war voters when she criticized President Barack Obama's pledge to meet with leaders of rogue states in his first year. She fed the perception of a craven, calculating politician when she gave a convoluted answer on whether undocumented immigrants should get driver's licenses. When Wall Street shenanigans tanked the global economy, Bill Clinton's deregulation policies were fingered, and her ties to the financial industry were put under the microscope.

#334 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 07:43 PM | Reply

"secret republican"
"Russian agent"
"sock puppet"

*drink*

#333 | Posted by SheepleSchism

If you don't want to be called a russian agent, maybe don't constantly spread the exact same message russian agents spread everyday.

Maybe you're not a russian agent, you're just doing their job without getting paid for it like they are.

You should at least try and get some cash for yourself out of all the trump-protecting and deflecting you do all day.
There are plenty of conservative political groups that would pay you for it, and some russian ones too.

#335 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 07:47 PM | Reply

The system is broken. Nothing less than a ballot-box revolution will fix it. Bernie was right, it's rigged.
#289 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Sanders: Even on our worst day, we are 100 times better than GOP

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders received the loudest applause of the night during Thursday's primary debate in New Hampshire when he aimed his fire not at rival Hillary Clinton but at the Republican Party.

"On our worst days ... we are 100 times better than any Republican candidate," the Vermont senator said, before his voice was lost under the whooping, whistling crowd.
thehill.com

Bernie Sanders Says He Will Vote for Hillary Clinton (to Defeat Donald Trump)

Asked if he would cast his vote for Mrs. Clinton, the presumptive Democratic nominee, in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program, Mr. Sanders said, "Yes."

He added that the alternative, Donald J. Trump, would be dire for the country: "The issue right here is I'm going to do everything I can do to defeat Donald Trump. I think Trump, in so many ways, would be a disaster for this country if he were elected."
www.nytimes.com

Hey Bernie, you voted for the lesser of two evils, and now your so-called staunch supporter Sheepleschsim says, "Eat your cake."

#336 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 07:49 PM | Reply

Find me the democrat who wanted to destroy the consumer financial protection bureau.
I'll wait.
#327 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

It can be reinstated the day after a genuine progressive liberal is sworn into office.

I'll wait.

#330 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Yeah can you UN-traumatize the kids that were separated from their parents?
Can you suck up all the additional pollution that trump and the repubs have unleashed?
Can you resurrect the people who died because the repubs sabotaged their healthcare?

You sure are happy to create a lot of suffering for others in order to make your point.

#337 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 07:51 PM | Reply

"Don't feed the troll.
His entire game is to keep the thread talking about the Dems as much as possible in lieu of whatever ---- circus of the day from the GOP is being discussed."

Yep, that's the bottom line. Doesn't really matter where he's getting his talking points or who's paying him or if he's doing this for free. If it walks like a troll and squawks like a troll, it's a troll.

#338 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 07:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You sure are happy to create a lot of suffering for others in order to make your point."

Sheeple does have a sadistic streak, I've noticed.

#339 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 07:55 PM | Reply

"Sad and pathetic attempt to say what happened to Sander's is OK."
^
If you loved Sanders so much, why didn't you vote for the candidate he voted for, Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Because both you and Sheeple have more pride than perspicacity.
You became emotionally invested in the actor.
The actor you loved read the script, but you didn't.
The actor you loved told you what's in the script.
But you two ignored him, because you were so mad that your favorite actor didn't win the Democratic party's big award.
#311 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-09-17 06:46 PM

This would require empathy.. Do you really not understand how putrid Republicans scam their base? A lot of people are not responding with logic when confronted with emotional information - they respond with emotion to combat logic. This is why we see such horrible stagnation, particularly in the Southern states where the emotional divide has been groomed for sooooo looooooong.

The Russian attack didn't produce a singular effect against "democracy" (which isn't really clear that it has) - it rode on the hideous nature of Republican stupidity for falling for emotion over logic. It simply does.

America was essentially stuck with each other at a Thanksgiving dinner.

That division of the most potent weapon (Bernie) included creating a fake one - the Republicans.

I completely agree that the Democrat party is a corporation and not a body of democratic values. Their "award" is far worse than worthless, it's denigrating. I want none of them, at all. It does make me upset that progressives must run as Democrats, however, they are gaining positions that independents apparently cannot.

Even a puritopian pony as flagrant as myself can admit that. It's good to outgrow my misconceptions, but it's essential to use their effective strategy.

But Bernie is just a man, and I keep seeing Republicans equate leadership with infallibility. Republican strategy requires majority non-idealogically driven to vote. It has worked for them up to now by keeping this division popular.

Do we need to doubt the women that accuse Clarence Thomas on the word of Orin Hatch? Thomas was appointed, Anita Hill was demonized. Emotion over logic, thanks to Hatch.

Do we need to doubt the women that accuse Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault ON THE WORD OF ORIN HATCH?! AGAIN?! Guess who's being demonized this time? The victim, again. Republican legislators are far more damaging to democracy than Russian agents.

#340 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-17 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Mistaken" is now equivalent to "----- and nuts"?

When I heard Hatch say Ford was mixed up, it reminded me of the time someone in the WH said
Nikki Haley had "momentary confusion" over the possibility of Russia sanctions. Haley's response was memorable: "I don't get confused."

#341 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 08:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sad and pathetic attempt to say what happened to Sander's is OK."
^
If you loved Sanders so much, why didn't you vote for the candidate he voted for, Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Because both you and Sheeple have more pride than perspicacity.
You became emotionally invested in the actor.
The actor you loved read the script, but you didn't.
The actor you loved told you what's in the script.
But you two ignored him, because you were so mad that your favorite actor didn't win the Democratic party's big award.
#311 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-09-17 06:46 PM

True, I did not vote for Hillary Clinton at the behest of Bernie Sanders.

It was a confusing time, Bernie was running, then pushed out - the Democrats appeared to be more corrupt than maybe previously understood.

That said, it really should have to have been. AGAIN.

Also, the reason for this post - thanks for the new word! Obviously it's one I will never see again.:]

#342 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-17 08:10 PM | Reply

Sen. Orrin Hatch says there are 'lots of reasons not to believe' Kavanaugh's accuser

After a Monday phone call with Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch (Utah) believes the woman accusing him of sexual assault is "mixed up."

Hatch said Monday that he believes Ford might be "mixed up" because Kavanaugh denies behind at the party she describes, per HuffPost's Igor Bobic. Hatch also said that while he "can't ignore" the allegation, there are "lots of reasons not to believe it." In a separate interview, Hatch told CNN that he believes Kavanaugh when he says the alleged incident never happened.

When a reporter asked Hatch if it's possible Kavanaugh might not remember the incident because he was drunk, Hatch responded that Kavanaugh "said that's not true." But Hatch also said that even if what Ford alleges is true, it would "be hard for senators to not consider who [Kavanaugh] is today," arguing that he is "a good man," Bobic reports.

As I'm editing this post I'm watching Hatch on tv say "If I were to believe anybody it would be Judge Kavanaugh."

This is Anita Hill revisited.

#343 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 08:10 PM | Reply

This would require empathy.. Do you really not understand how putrid Republicans scam their base? A lot of people are not responding with logic when confronted with emotional information - they respond with emotion to combat logic.

I understand it.
I don't think Laura fully grasps it.
Sheeple is an agent provocateur; he has adopted a persona of not understanding it to further his "create a schism among erstwhile united people" political goal.

#344 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Link for above: theweek.com

#345 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 08:11 PM | Reply

If you'll remember Hatch got out ahead of his skis on Rob Porter too. In that case, he had to issue a retraction and send a letter of apology to Porter's victims:

Orrin Hatch just made a stunning reversal on allegations that his former chief of staff abused his ex-wives

"It's incredibly discouraging to see such a vile attack on such a decent man," Hatch said. "Shame on any publication that would print this -- and shame on the politically motivated, morally bankrupt character assassins that would attempt to sully a man's good name."

www.businessinsider.com

#346 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 08:18 PM | Reply

"Hillary doesn't support progressive ideas slick." - #323 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-17 07:28 PM

And you do?

Besides your impotent keyboard warrior nonsense, that is.

You're willing to lie to cover your cowardice.

#347 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So how did we arrive at a place today where, to some on the left, she is "the candidate of the war machine" with a "deeply pro-corporate ideology" who is "building on the legacy of Ronald Reagan." How does one go from a symbol of women's equality and battler of corporate interests to being perceived as the personification of the corrupt intersection of corporations and government?"

^
The story goes on to explain you get there by paying attention to the actor without even reading the script.

Laura doesn't like those words, but that's what the article describes.

#348 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 08:24 PM | Reply

Orrin Hatch vouching for someone's character is more than enough reason to call said person's character into question based on the history of his obvious partisan blindness proven time and time again, whenever a woman makes a troubling allegation against any man that he believes.

This should not be forgotten and should be broadcast widely, if indeed he's proven wrong yet again after besmirching an honored woman's character without one iota of direct knowledge about her personal story and her struggle in deciding to make it public after more than 3 decades.

#349 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 08:26 PM | Reply

"The lessor evil argument? Why would you vote to continue evil, even to a lessor degree?"

Why wouldn't you want to lessen evil, given the chance to do so?
Just... why?

If someone's house catches fire do you suggest just letting it burn, since one room being burned down is lesser evil than the whole house being lost?

No, you're just a liar and a fraud.

#350 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-17 08:34 PM | Reply

"The lessor evil argument? Why would you vote to continue evil, even to a lessor degree?"

There once was a movie, based on a book by William Styron, about what happens when someone is confronted with a truly evil dilemma/decision. It's called Sophie's Choice.

#351 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 08:58 PM | Reply

It's the last hope of the Democrats to stop this nomination. They don't have much, the 36 year old memory of a woman who can not say what year this happened, who else was there, apparently got drunk on a single beer, never told anyone at the time, never reported the attack to authorities, and has no ideal how she got home. More telling no one else has blamed that this candidate behaved in any manner except a perfect gentleman. Rapist don't stop, ask Bill. The power is the turn on, not the sex.

#352 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-09-17 10:37 PM | Reply

It's the last hope of the Democrats to stop this nomination.

Democrats can't stop it. Two ethical Republicans could, but they don't have that many.

#353 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-09-17 10:42 PM | Reply

the 36 year old memory of a woman

Do you think people forget whether they were raped after a certain number of years? If so, which year is it?

who can not say what year this happened

I imagine she would subtract 36 from the current year if your first quote above is accurate.

who else was there

She said Mark Judge was there.

apparently got drunk on a single beer

She never said she was drunk, only that she drank one beer.

never told anyone at the time never reported the attack to authorities

Only 3 in 10 rapes are reported to the police.
www.rainn.org

and has no ideal how she got home.

Would you forgive a 15 year old girl who doesn't remember how she got home after someone tried to rape her?

More telling no one else has blamed that this candidate behaved in any manner except a perfect gentleman.

I don't see the relevance of testimony from people who Kavanaugh didn't rape. Do you expect him to have raped everyone in his path? He doesn't sound like a typical pathological rapist, just your average rightwing misogynist who got drunk and took his misogyny way too far.

I sure hope the judiciary Republicans are as weak as you next week. Should be a cake walk to tank this loser.

#354 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I sure hope the judiciary Republicans are as weak as you next week."

They had best tread lightly:

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1

Men approve of the job Trump is doing 50-42% in the new NPR/Marist poll.

But women disapprove of Trump's job 62-28%.
1:15 PM - 12 Sep 2018

#355 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 11:20 PM | Reply

Haha trumps approach to saving kavanaugh is to parade out a bunch of women who he DIDN'T rape.

He can't be a rapist if he met some women and didn't rape them right?

#356 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-17 11:23 PM | Reply

#352 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

And the right wonders why they're viewed as awful human beings.

#357 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-17 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Haha trumps approach to saving kavanaugh is to parade out a bunch of women who he DIDN'T rape.

He can't be a rapist if he met some women and didn't rape them right?"

I'm sure this will get me accused of defending Kavanaugh but i'm not.....but.....if it were you being nominated and there was zero evidence of any wrong doing.....the accusation comes now, not in the past, and all you have to defend yourself are character witnesses....what else can you do? assuming of course, you're innocent of these accusations.


#358 | Posted by eberly at 2018-09-17 11:40 PM | Reply

Pence isn't so dumb by not wanting to be alone with women. I kinda follow that rule myself. Why let yourself get in a situation where rumors can get started or a miscommunication can occur. I have a buddy who has season tickets to an NHL team. He has offered numerous times for me to go with his wife. I always decline. Even though nothing would ever happen I am unwilling to take a chance on things being said.

#359 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-17 11:45 PM | Reply

#358 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Sorry Eberly, according to the full-time Detectives, psychoanalysis experts, motivation recreation professionals, and mind readers on the DR....

He's a rapist. No further testimony is necessary. The judgement has been delivered and is final.

#360 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-18 12:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Haha trumps approach to saving kavanaugh is to parade out a bunch of women who he DIDN'T rape.
He can't be a rapist if he met some women and didn't rape them right?"
I'm sure this will get me accused of defending Kavanaugh but i'm not.....but.....if it were you being nominated and there was zero evidence of any wrong doing.....the accusation comes now, not in the past, and all you have to defend yourself are character witnesses....what else can you do? assuming of course, you're innocent of these accusations.
#358 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2018-09-17 11:40 PM

The couples counseling indicates she was sexually assaulted by an O'Kavanaugh.

Also, Brett claims he wasn't there, so why would Ford include his buddy in the scene?

The devil is in the details.

Kavanaugh Accuser Goes Public 23K views 5 hours ago

#361 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 12:53 AM | Reply

Progressives are typically linked to higher intellectual capacity. But if you can't tell that republicans are far more harmful to you and your priorities than imperfect dems are, you make all progressives look stupid simply by claiming to be one.
And this is coming from a fellow clinton-hater and passionate sanders supporter.
I'm just not stupid enough to say dems are as bad for the world as repubs.

#322 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-09-17 07:20 PM | FLAG:

www.politico.com

Why Some of the Smartest Progressives I Know Will Vote for Trump over Hillary
Even on Wall Street, a powerful Sanders contingent so hates what Clinton stands for -- the status quo -- they'll pull the lever for almost anyone else.

By YVES SMITH June 01, 2016

Why do progressives reject Hillary Clinton? The highly educated, high-income, finance-literate readers of my website, Naked Capitalism, don't just overwhelmingly favor Bernie Sanders. They also say "Hell no!" to Hillary Clinton to the degree that many say they would even vote for Donald Trump over her.

And they don't come by these views casually. Their conclusions are the result of careful study of her record and her policy proposals. They believe the country can no longer endure the status quo that Clinton represents -- one of crushing inequality, and an economy that is literally killing off the less fortunate -- and any change will be better. One reader writes:

To be sure, not all of my Sanders-supporting readers would vote for Trump. But only a minority would ever vote for Clinton, and I'd guess that a lot of them would just stay home if she were the nominee. Many of my readers tend to be very progressive, and they have been driven even further in that direction by their sophisticated understanding of the inequities of Wall Street, especially in the run-up to and the aftermath of the financial crisis, when no senior executives went to jail, the biggest banks got bigger, and Hillary paid homage to Goldman Sachs. True progressives, as opposed to the Vichy Left, recognize that the Clintons only helped these inequities along. They recognize that, both in the 1990s and now, the Clintons do not and have never represented them. They believe the most powerful move they can take to foster change is to withhold their support.

OOPSIE DAISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#362 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-18 01:02 AM | Reply

#358 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Sorry Eberly, according to the full-time Detectives, psychoanalysis experts, motivation recreation professionals, and mind readers on the DR....
He's a rapist. No further testimony is necessary. The judgement has been delivered and is final.
#360 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2018-09-18 12:01 AM

Lifetime justice appointment Brett Kavanaugh is an attempted rapist.

Also, if the Senate had that document of 65 character witnesses prepared - how could they have known it would be necessary without knowing what Kavanaugh has done? Why is data regarding his drinking systematically scrubbed from the internet?

An investigation of the Senate should be demanded.

#363 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 01:03 AM | Reply

#354 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 10:57 PM, She said Mark Judge was there. And Mark Judge says that this never happened. No wittiness, no evidence, no collaboration, nothing but an actuation. Coming from a democrat activist. Of course having a XX chromosome makes this individual incapable of lying or being deluded. Or you would expect me to believe do.

#364 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-09-18 01:18 AM | Reply

And Mark Judge says that this never happened. No wittiness, no evidence, no collaboration, nothing but an actuation.

You really need to learn how to read better than you continually show. Mark Judge said this:

"I repeat my earlier statement that I have no recollection of any of the events described in today's Post article or attributed to her letter," he said in a statement to The Weekly Standard.
Mark Judge penned a book entitled "Wasted: Tales of a Gen-X Drunk," which described his own blackout drinking and a culture of partying among students at his high school. Judge did not DENY the events, he said that "I have no recollection," a completely different comment when put into the context of his admitting excessive drinking and blacking out. This IS corroborating evidence of Ford's story because she stated that if her assailant hadn't been stumbling drunk, she was sure he would have continued on to potentially rape her.

There were also other girlfriends at this party whom Ford knows and has identified privately. These are indeed witnesses because Kavanaugh insists that he wasn't at the party in question. These woman (and perhaps the other boys) know the truth and certainly can provide corroboration or complete denial of Ford's foundational story. Ford has also passed a polygraph given by a former FBI agent that shows her story of the events is truthful on her part. Part of Ford's story is that after she escaped Kavanaugh and Judge by locking herself in the bathroom, she heard the two boys stumble down the stairs and then engage others in conversation. This too is evidence if again others place them at this party.

So far, to the unknowing eye, Dr. Ford's account of the events is ripe with already established corroborating evidence (her recollections through therapy of the assault 6 years before Kavanaugh was nominated for SCOTUS) and the possibility of many other witnesses that she placed at the scene to back up the peripheral details of her story. On that score, we will have to wait and see. Kavanaugh has his own denial and a no recollection claim by a high school drinking buddy who wrote this:

In Mark Judge's book [Wasted...] (he) changes the name of his high school to "Loyola Prep," and makes a glancing reference at a character he calls "Bart O'Kavanaugh."

A girl at a party, wrote Judge, asked him: "Do you know Bart O'Kavanaugh? I heard he puked in someone's car the other night." Judge responds: "Yeah he passed out on his way back from a party."

On their face, which individual has more credibility based on what is already known?

#365 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 06:58 AM | Reply

#365

Let me be clear: Mark Judge can testify as to whether teenage Brett Kavanaugh was prone to excessive binge drinking and was known to pass out sometimes when drunk.

This is obviously damning information if the words Judge has already written in his book are indeed the truth.

#366 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 07:04 AM | Reply

#364 way to move the goalposts. How about you back up one of the 10 things in your original post that i refuted? Or are you just walking away from that now?

#367 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 07:53 AM | Reply

All Kavanaugh has to do is issue a statement saying "I did not attempt to put my vagina inside of that woman's penis," and then certain people in this thread will be like "Oh, OK."

#368 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-09-18 09:21 AM | Reply

Rape is an abortion.Before women had any legal or political power, men were executed for that crime. The penalty was death for centuries. There is no way to prove Kavanugh's guilt. This all comes down to he said/she said and that is not evidence. If Kavanaugh was a Bill Clinton, a sexual predator, there would have been other women to testify to his predilection, there are not. A rapist does not stop with one attack.

#369 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-09-18 09:28 AM | Reply

"The penalty was death for centuries."

That's a pretty harsh penalty.

#370 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-09-18 09:32 AM | Reply

#370 | Posted by sentinel Tomas Jefferson advocated crucifixion after castration for that crime.

#371 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-09-18 09:40 AM | Reply

"Tomas Jefferson advocated crucifixion after castration "

But did he advocate it be dragged out for centuries?

#372 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-09-18 09:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Without any corroboration or any other victims coming forward, this likely goes nowhere.

True predators simply stop with one victim, especially if they aren't caught and don't suffer any consequences for their act.

Maybe it happened exactly as she described it (her reporting to WaPo has at least 1 key detail completely contrary to her therapist's (trained to take accurate notes) notes). Can't remember the year. Doesn't remember where the party was held. Doesn't remember how she got home. Essentially, her accusations are impossible to verify in any way. That 65 women, some of whom date back to High School, have all vouched for his gentlemanly behavior toward women and everything else that is known about his personal life...were this nomination to be derailed based solely on Ford's recollection of events...it would set a terrible precedent going forward.

Well, a hearing has been scheduled. Maybe more information will surface so that we can better assess this.

#373 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

True predators [don't] simply stop with one victim

Ok. Maybe he's not a "true predator" (whatever that means). Perhaps he's just an aggressively misogynist douchebag who got really drunk and took his misogyny way too far. But you cannot and will not prove that nobody has ever just sexually assaulted one person. So perhaps you should stop spouting such a stupid meme.

#374 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 10:58 AM | Reply

Can't remember the year.

She says it happened when she was 15. Does she need to do the math in front of you?

Doesn't remember where the party was held.

Do you remember where every party you went to as a teenager was held?

Doesn't remember how she got home.

Would you forgive a 15 year old girl for not remembering how she got home after someone tried to rape her? I hope you don't have any daughters, you sick ----.

I hope the GOP plays amateur prosecutor on Monday just like you.

#375 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 11:04 AM | Reply

Ok. Maybe he's not a "true predator" (whatever that means). Perhaps he's just an aggressively misogynist douchebag who got really drunk and took his misogyny way too far. But you cannot and will not prove that nobody has ever just sexually assaulted one person. So perhaps you should stop spouting such a stupid meme.

#374 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-09-18 10:58 AM

The point is, we are being asked to rely in the memory of an event that took place almost 4 decades ago with no corroborating evidence, no claims that can be verified and no history or other allegations of any kind of sexual abuse. Heck, maybe they did have a physical encounter and it was far less extreme than what she's describing. Maybe she innocently recalls it differently than it actually happened.

#375 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-09-18 11:04 AM

The point of those comments is that, so far, she's offered nothing that can be verified in any way - no corroborating evidence.

#376 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 11:14 AM | Reply

No. Your "point" is to attempt to poke holes in the story of someone who says they were sexually assaulted, because the assailant is on your political team.

she's offered nothing that can be verified in any way - no corroborating evidence.

Except therapist notes and the fact that she told her husband, both of which occurred well before his nomination. And she passed a polygraph, for whatever that's worth.

Nearly 7 in 10 rapes go unreported. I truly hope you don't have a daughter.

#377 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 11:23 AM | Reply

...with no corroborating evidence

I wish you stop with this canard. There are witnesses (the other woman who Ford NAMED PRIVATELY) who were there, including at least 2 other boys. At this point, Kavanaugh says that he was not at the named party. If any of the others are queried and say that he was, that means his credibility is done.

Most importantly is the testimony of Mark Judge, who was there according to Ford. Her recounting of him jumping on top of Kavanaugh and her at least twice sounds suspiciously like two inebriated friends "funning around" as teenage boys might. (my feelings) Even if Judge blacked out and truly doesn't remember ("I have no recollection of the events..."), he can flesh out whether during the timeframe in question the very blacking out and passing out he wrote about himself and Kavanaugh actually occurred and with what frequency.

These things are knowable, so to claim it is a he said, she said is completely inaccurate.

#378 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 11:23 AM | Reply

At this point, Kavanaugh says that he was not at the named party. If any of the others are queried and say that he was, that means his credibility is done.

Yes. Which surprised me about him taking this tack.

#379 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 11:25 AM | Reply

No. Your "point" is to attempt to poke holes in the story of someone who says they were sexually assaulted, because the assailant is on your political team.

Straw man alert!

#380 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 11:26 AM | Reply

Nearly 7 in 10 rapes go unreported. I truly hope you don't have a daughter.

#377 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-09-18 11:23 AM

I have 2 children. Do you have any kids?

#381 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 11:27 AM | Reply

Do you even know what a strawman is? I'm thinking not.

If one of your kids comes home and says they were raped, are you going to start badgering them about how they got home and how much corroborating evidence they can produce to you?

#382 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 11:30 AM | Reply

If one of your kids comes home and says they were raped, are you going to start badgering them about how they got home and how much corroborating evidence they can produce to you?

#382 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-09-18 11:30 AM

I would be supportive and would try to get whatever information they were able to provide in order to try and bring the assailant to justice.

What we are attempting to do here is analyze an event that occurred nearly 4 decades ago.

#383 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 11:36 AM | Reply

Do you even know what a strawman is?

Yep. It's this:

No. Your "point" is to attempt to poke holes in the story of someone who says they were sexually assaulted, because the assailant is on your political team.

Pay attention to the part in bold. You were attempting to assign motive to me - accusing me of taking a position that I have not taken.

#384 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

After over a decade of being here, your motive is obvious.

#385 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I would be supportive and would try to get whatever information they were able to provide in order to try and bring the assailant to justice.

What i'm getting at is that you'd likely trust them regardless of the level of detail they were able to provide. But that your politics are preventing you from extending that same trust to anyone who accuses your team's judge.

What we are attempting to do here is analyze an event that occurred nearly 4 decades ago.

Would that passage of time change the level of trust you extended to anyone you know personally?

#386 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 11:46 AM | Reply

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#387 | Posted by 726 at 2018-09-18 11:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Shocker: people don't extend the same level trust to a complete stranger as they would to their own family members

#388 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-09-18 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

After over a decade of being here, your motive is obvious.

#385 | POSTED BY JOE

So, you're a mind-reader now? Are you omnipotent as well? Get over yourself.

What i'm getting at is that you'd likely trust them regardless of the level of detail they were able to provide. But that your politics are preventing you from extending that same trust to anyone who accuses your team's judge.

I know them intimately. I've never met Mrs. Ford. I have no idea her motivations or her recollection. Again, you studied and practiced law, you know how unreliable memory is especially this long after the fact and if you don't, you should throw away your law degree. She may very well fully believe her story. It also may, or not be true. It may or may not be wholly accurate.

Shocker: people don't extend the same level trust to a complete stranger as they would to their own family members

#388 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Joe extends complete trust to her because her story advances his politics.

#389 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#388 It's one thing to ask questions, quite another to play cross-examiner and try to demean someone.

I personally can't wait for next week. I hope you and the GOP trust her as little as possible on live TV. You'll never win another election again.

#390 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 11:57 AM | Reply

I never said i trusted her, Jeff. I simply don't sit here trying to poke holes in her story all day long like some kind of cross between Roy Moore and Perry Mason.

#391 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 11:58 AM | Reply

quite another to play cross-examiner and try to demean someone.

I am in no way trying to demean her.

#392 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 11:58 AM | Reply

I never said i trusted her, Jeff. I simply don't sit here trying to poke holes in her story all day long like some kind of cross between Roy Moore and Perry Mason.

#391 | POSTED BY JOE

Her story has some inconsistencies with her therapist's notes. That matters. Maybe she can explain it. Maybe not. The purpose of her coming forward is to prevent Kavanaugh from being confirmed and maybe even having him removed from his current bench. Maybe her motivations are pure. Maybe they are not. Having said that, an accusation that is 30+ years old with teenagers and alcohol involved ins't enough by itself to derail this nomination.

#393 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 12:03 PM | Reply

The couples counseling indicates she was sexually assaulted by an O'Kavanaugh. - #361 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 12:53 AM

The couples therapists notes indicate that she was attacked by 4 boys. Ford claims that the therapist was in error, but the notes do indicate 4 boys.

www.washingtonpost.com
The therapist's notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh's name but say she reported that she was attacked by students "from an elitist boys' school" who went on to become "highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington." The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist's part.

Someone has claimed that Brett Kavanaugh is an attempted rapist. - #363 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 01:03 AM

#394 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 12:05 PM | Reply

Mark Judge said this:
"I repeat my earlier statement that I have no recollection of any of the events described in today's Post article or attributed to her letter," - #365 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 06:58 AM

Also his earlier statements:
Judge spoke to THE WEEKLY STANDARD Friday afternoon, strongly denying that any such incident ever occurred. "It's just absolutely nuts. I never saw Brett act that way," Judge told TWS.
Judge categorically denied ever witnessing an attempted assault by Kavanaugh

#395 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 12:10 PM | Reply

The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist's part.

Yes.

Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband.

In an interview, her husband, Russell Ford, said that in the 2012 sessions, she recounted being trapped in a room with two drunken boys, one of whom pinned her to a bed, molested her and prevented her from screaming. He said he recalled that his wife used Kavanaugh's last name and voiced concern that Kavanaugh -- then a federal judge -- might one day be nominated to the Supreme Court.

www.washingtonpost.com

This corroborates the precise details Ford told the therapist.

#396 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 12:12 PM | Reply

No. Your "point" is to attempt to poke holes in the story of someone who says they were sexually assaulted, because the assailant is on your political team. - #377 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 11:23 AM

Pointing out gaping issues is not the same as attempting to poke holes.

#397 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 12:13 PM | Reply

After over a decade of being here, your motive is obvious.
I have to agree with JOE here, JEFFJ. You are seeking to have an honest discussion of relevant facts about current event stuff. It is obvious.

#398 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 12:16 PM | Reply

Judge categorically denied ever witnessing an attempted assault by Kavanaugh

Yet again, that is not what he said.

Kavanaugh's classmate said of the woman's allegation, "I have no recollection of that."
Having no recollection is not the same as denying something happened, especially when the person with no recollection has a self-admitted history of blacking-out from excessive drinking during the time in question.

#399 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 12:17 PM | Reply

He said he recalled that his wife used Kavanaugh's last name and voiced concern that Kavanaugh -- then a federal judge -- might one day be nominated to the Supreme Court.

So now Ford's husband is also clairvoyant...how amazing is that!!!!

-The DR Left.

#400 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-18 12:18 PM | Reply

This corroborates the precise details Ford told the therapist. - #396 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 12:12 PM

While also impeaching her claim in the letter to Feinstein that she was attacked by 2 boys.
The notes say that she was attacked by 4 boys.
She said that the therapist made an error.
"a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist's part."

#401 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 12:19 PM | Reply

Having no recollection is not the same as denying something happened, especially when the person with no recollection has a self-admitted history of blacking-out from excessive drinking during the time in question.

#399 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 12:17 PM

You are ignoring one of his interviews, I guess?. He DID specifically deny that it happened in the interview on Friday after the one you are referencing,
www.weeklystandard.com
Check it out. It's supposed to be a 2 minute read.

#402 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 12:25 PM | Reply

While also impeaching her claim in the letter to Feinstein that she was attacked by 2 boys.
The notes say that she was attacked by 4 boys.
She said that the therapist made an error.
"a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist's part."

Ford told the therapist 2 boys present for the attack, 4 boys present at the party.
The therapist wrote "4 boys present at the attack".
The husband, who witnessed the conversation says that Ford said "2 boys present at the attack, 4 boys at the party."

If your gripe is with my word "precise", I'll concede. To call a mistake on the therapist's part an "impeachment" of Ford's recollection, I disagree. And why is this important anyway unless you're looking to discredit her story?

#403 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 12:28 PM | Reply

"trump tried to collude with russians but didn't succeed so its okay"

"kavanaugh tried to rape her but didn't succeed so its okay"

Republican logic.

#404 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-09-18 12:29 PM | Reply

She said there were 4 boys in the house and that 2 attacked her. It's certainly possible the therapist errantly wrote down that the 4 of them attacked her. Doesn't mean the attack didn't happen.

But by all means, please continue going after the rape victim. I hope Grassley and Cruz are taking notes. You guys are geniuses!

#405 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 12:37 PM | Reply

#402

I'm not ignoring anything. All this is upthread. I haven't watched the video, but I've posted the transcript. You fail to realize that Judge is parsing his words based on the fact he cannot swear to what either did or did not happen.

"It's just absolutely nuts. I never saw Brett act that way," Judge told TWS.
Here is Judge's own statements about his teen drinking and blackouts
His drinking became so extreme that he had blackout episodes, and woke up on the floor of a restaurant bathroom with no memory of how he got there. Once "I had the first beer, I found it impossible to stop until I was completely annihilated," he wrote.
Not seeing something if "completely annihilated" when the details establish if the attack happened, both boys were severely impaired, is not a denial, it's a qualified hedge that begs further explanation once Judge has been put under oath. Maybe it is as you seem to assume, but maybe it isn't. What would you expect Kavanaugh's friend to say?

#406 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 12:39 PM | Reply

Pathetic

adjective
pa·thet·ic | pə-ˈthe-tik

Definition of Pathetic

1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity
2 : marked by sorrow or melancholy : SAD
3 : pitifully inferior or inadequate
the restaurant's pathetic service
4 : ABSURD, LAUGHABLE
a pathetic costume

#407 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-18 12:40 PM | Reply

#407 This isn't your bio page, you have to go to your username screen for that

#408 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 12:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

If your gripe is with my word "precise", I'll concede. To call a mistake on the therapist's part an "impeachment" of Ford's recollection, I disagree. And why is this important anyway unless you're looking to discredit her story? - #403 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 12:28 PM
Doesn't mean the attack didn't happen. - #405 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 12:37 PM

I've never claimed that the attack didn't happen, and I have never attacked the accused or the accuser. I have merely pointed out that one piece of evidence that she is using to corroborate account of the attack, the notes from her 2012 marriage therapist, recount an attack by 4 boys, while her letter to Senator Feinstein indicates an attack by 2 boys.
The number of people involved in a sexual attack on her isn't a minor discrepancy. Perhaps her therapist could verify that the mistake was on their part, and not an evolution of the accusations.

#409 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 12:55 PM | Reply

What would you expect Kavanaugh's friend to say? - #406 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 12:39 PM

Are they still friends? I don't know if they have maintained a relationship since high-school. It does matter into how much credence to give any of Judge's statements.
Another thing...
I propose that if you think that someday you're going to be a judge, that immediately eliminates you having any friends or acquaintances named Judge. Crap gets confusing.

#410 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 12:58 PM | Reply

#409

The only place "4 boys" is out of context is the therapist's notes. The other two people present when the statement was made and noted, along with every other recounting of the events given say that 2 boys were present in the bedroom.

I never said you attacked the accuser nor denied her story. My question was to why an obvious human error should become a focal point of "dispute" when the explanation is wholly consistent with every other recitation of the events, unless one is seeking to discredit the story based on the transposition error.

#411 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 01:03 PM | Reply

#407 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

You're definitely 3 with a bit of 4.

#412 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-09-18 01:04 PM | Reply

#410

That wasn't the point. The point was that Judge is not going to nuke Kavanaugh's candidacy or if that was his intention, he certainly could have done it before now if he does have damning evidence that would harm his nomination vote.

#413 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 01:07 PM | Reply

#408

Touche...but the point still stands, your collective desperation to make this the issue that derails Kavanaugh's nomination is totally pathetic.

#414 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-18 01:10 PM | Reply

every other recitation of the events - #411 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 01:03 PM
There is only 1 recitation of events that has a paper trail leading back to 2012. The only (currently) recitation of events that predates Kavanaugh's nomination indicate a different series of accusations than the ones she is currently making. This particular piece of evidence is diminished in value because it does not match the accusations that Ford is currently making. She explains that it is in error, but her therapist making the same statement would alleviate a lot of the issue.

That wasn't the point. - #413 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 01:07 PM
No, it was an actual question. Do you know, have you read, anything to identify the kind of relationship that Kav and Judge have at this point? It does speak as to how to weigh the evidence that Judge provides.

I am not in any way shape or form a lawyer, so anything of that ^^^ isn't trying to assume something that I'm not. I'm just trying to do my part to have an intelligent conversation.

#415 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 01:19 PM | Reply

#415

No problem, and I hope you don't think I'm being combative because I'm not.

Again, there were three people present for the conversation of note, one taking notes. The one taking notes wrote down something the other two say wasn't said that way. To me, there's no discrepancy because we have the speaker and a witness versus notes without comment from the one who wrote them. I do not think the "paper trail" is diminished by an error on the part of one listener/notetaker. I think it shows the character of the accuser not to redact or try to singlehandedly correct the mistake on her own.

I don't know if the two men remain friends. I haven't read anything on the subject.

#416 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 01:28 PM | Reply

Again, there were three people present for the conversation of note, one taking notes. The one taking notes wrote down something the other two say wasn't said that way. To me, there's no discrepancy because we have the speaker and a witness versus notes without comment from the one who wrote them. I do not think the "paper trail" is diminished by an error on the part of one listener/notetaker. I think it shows the character of the accuser not to redact or try to singlehandedly correct the mistake on her own.

#416 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Aren't therapists trained to take accurate notes?

Also, Mrs. Ford and her husband are claiming this is a mistake 4 years after the fact. The notes were taken at the point in time the words were actually spoken. I am not suggesting she's evolving her story - just that the fog of memory might be at play.

#417 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 01:37 PM | Reply

Maybe there were 4 boys at the party, and the therapist got confused. If the notes indicate Ford claimed 4 boys attacked her and the description of the assualt that follows indicate 4 assaulters/participators, that would be a big problem.

#418 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-18 01:44 PM | Reply

I do not think the "paper trail" is diminished by an error on the part of one listener/notetaker. I think it shows the character of the accuser not to redact or try to singlehandedly correct the mistake on her own. - #416 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 01:28 PM

When talking about the already slim amount of evidence that has been made public, you may be surprised by the number of people who see the discrepancy in the marriage therapy notes vs her current accusations not as a simple error, but evidence of a wavering story or fuzzy memory. Along with the long litany of things that she can't recall when, where, who invited her to the party, how she got there, how she got home, names of the other 2 boys in the room in the house, adding a mismatch between the allegations she made recently and the description of the attack that her therapist made note of isn't a small matter.

I guess I'm saying that your sentence above predisposes that the error was on the part of the notetaker, while in reality, how the error occurred is another piece of unknown in a considerable list of unknown.

#419 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speaking of "fog"

The Police arrive at your door asking you about a murder

You just so happen to have prepared a letter ahead of time naming all the people you didn't murder

Suspicious much?

#420 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-09-18 01:46 PM | Reply

your collective desperation to make this the issue that derails Kavanaugh's nomination is totally pathetic.

#414 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Yet strangely effective! If all you have is delay and resist then delay and resist.

Greatest Show on Earth.

I personally enjoyed the episode where Humpy got all reasonable and quiet when asked about Kavanaugh. Maybe it's because Humpy has so many rape skeletons of his own. Maybe it's because Humpy sees his only chance at avoiding a subpoena from Mueller hanging by a thread. Maybe it's beca he knows they will shred this woman if she speaks.

All I know is...

Time for more popcorn. 🍿

#421 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-18 01:47 PM | Reply

If the notes indicate Ford claimed 4 boys attacked her and the description of the assualt that follows indicate 4 assaulters/participators, that would be a big problem.#418 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-18 01:44 PM

The therapist's notes describe four boys being in the room in which the episode happened, rather than the two she now says were there.

#422 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also, Mrs. Ford and her husband are claiming this is a mistake 4 years after the fact.

When were the notes released, or when did the Fords finally see them? You don't review the Therapist's notes after each session, and you don't get to take them home with you, either. I'd suspect they just saw them for the first time very recently. They also haven't changed the notes or refused to release them (confidentiality), despite any perceived contradiction.

#423 | Posted by YAV at 2018-09-18 01:49 PM | Reply

- #420 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-09-18 01:46 PM
Or you are aware in the era of #metoo, any past event that was considered nothing at the time (a photo pretending to grope a sleeping friend from 2 feet away for example) can be brought to light and used to smear your character, so you make preparations for the unexpected.

#424 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 01:50 PM | Reply

4 years after the fact. - #417 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 01:37 PM

When were the notes released, or when did the Fords finally see them? -#423 | Posted by YAV at 2018-09-18 01:49 PM
Notes were taken in 2012. She's claiming in 2018 that they are mistaken. Even if she did review them in the past, which is pretty darn unlikely, she probably wouldn't think to make corrections in something that would almost certainly never actually be relevant.

#425 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 01:55 PM | Reply

your collective desperation to make this the issue that derails Kavanaugh's nomination is totally pathetic.

Call it what you want. I disagree with confirming Kavanaugh based on his jurisprudential ideology and the fact that he's a Republican operative. I also anticipate he would author an opinion putting the President above the law. I'd love to see him denied confirmation on those grounds, but that's not going to happen. All of this, in addition to the fact that the Republican Party has already stolen a Supreme Court seat from Merrick Garland, leads me to a place where i don't particularly care what it takes to tank Kavanaugh. If it's this, so be it.

#426 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-18 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Which makes her entire story and her integrity solid compared to this Kavanaugh fellow that's already been caught lying.

#427 | Posted by YAV at 2018-09-18 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The therapist's notes describe four boys being in the room in which the episode happened, rather than the two she now says were there. "

I haven't seen the notes. Do they say 4 boys were in the room but then go on to describe the actions of only 2 boys (1 holding her down & molesting her and 1 jumping on top of them)? Or do the notes say 4 boys in the room and go on to describe the action of 4 boys (Kavanaugh & Judge and then 2 boys watching, commenting and/or participating some way)? If the first way, then the therapist may have just made a mistake in her notes. If it's the second way, that would be a problem. If the therapist is still alive, the FBI could interview her about her recollection and notetaking methods.

#428 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-18 02:05 PM | Reply

The couples counseling indicates she was sexually assaulted by an O'Kavanaugh. - #361 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 12:53 AM
The couples therapists notes indicate that she was attacked by 4 boys. Ford claims that the therapist was in error, but the notes do indicate 4 boys.
www.washingtonpost.com
The therapist's notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh's name but say she reported that she was attacked by students "from an elitist boys' school" who went on to become "highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington." The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist's part.
Someone has claimed that Brett Kavanaugh is an attempted rapist. - #363 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 01:03 AM
#394 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2018-09-18 12:05 PM

My mistake - Mike Judge wrote about Kavanaugh as O'Kavanaugh. He also has a diary of their "exploits".

So, Brett is lying about the drinking, the party, the girl, the attack.

To get his latest appointment he has proven to have lied in several hearings in the past.

Kavanaugh has never admitted to any lies, even when confronted during this latest hearing.

Regardless - why would Ford include Judge?

Would it change your mind if several women came forward to testify to Brett Kavanaugh as a dangerous drunk who attempts sexual assualt ?

Also, the 65 female character witness document was prepared prior to this hearing - the Republicans KNEW this was going to come up. There is evidence of the drunken escapades Mike Judge has written about has been scrubbed from the internet. For the moment.

This means that a senate investigation should find out whom knew what and when. Republicans are plainly scum.

#429 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 02:05 PM | Reply

Would it change your mind if several women came forward to testify to Brett Kavanaugh as a dangerous drunk who attempts sexual assualt ?

Absolutely, and no doubt the lawyers behind this hatchet job are desperately searching for them. We shall see if they come up with anyone credible.

#430 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-18 02:18 PM | Reply

Would it change your mind if several women came forward to testify to Brett Kavanaugh as a dangerous drunk who attempts sexual assualt ?

Without a doubt. Look at every man brought down during #metoo - multiple, credible allegations with plenty of corroboration.

#431 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, Brett is lying about the drinking, the party, the girl, the attack. - #429 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 02:05 PM
Where are you pulling that from? Leaps like that make it hard to have a rational discussion with you.

To get his latest appointment he has proven to have lied in several hearings in the past.- #429 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 02:05 PM
Why do you think that every Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee shirked their duties to call for an impeachment investigation if Kavanaugh has been proven to lie, as you claim with no evidence?

Regardless - why would Ford include Judge?- #429 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 02:05 PM
Why did she include the 2 other unnamed boys?

Also, the 65 female character witness document was prepared prior to this hearing - #429 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 02:05 PM
Allow me to direct you to #424

#432 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 02:26 PM | Reply

If one of your kids comes home and says they were raped, are you going to start badgering them about how they got home and how much corroborating evidence they can produce to you?
#382 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-09-18 11:30 AM
I would be supportive and would try to get whatever information they were able to provide in order to try and bring the assailant to justice.
What we are attempting to do here is analyze an event that occurred nearly 4 decades ago.
#383 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-09-18 11:36 AM

Is that so? You sound so perfectly law abiding.

I would hunt that creature. As her brother, as her friend, a family friend - I would have him.

A decades old case during the time before #METOO should be considered more credible than not, imo.

Just watch how disgustingly the hearing members treated Anita Hill. "Are you telling me that you have no knowledge of 'Long Dong Silver'?" Orrin Hatch is the face of seedy predator-first politics.

You put so much faith in the appearance of integrity when it's obvious Kavanaugh and his Senate supporters possesses none.

#433 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 02:28 PM | Reply

#432 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2018-09-18 02:26 PM

WHY DID FORD INCLUDE JUDGE? WHY? What is her rationale?

#434 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 02:32 PM | Reply

WHY DID FORD INCLUDE JUDGE? WHY? What is her rationale?

#434 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

My guess is that is how she remembers it.

#435 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-18 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#207 They make Kav out to be a raging alcoholic, ammazing that he could graduate with high honers and get into Yale with that kind of problem.
#214 | Posted by fishpaw
Why? Dubya did.
#232 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-09-17 01:05 PM

From Kavanaugh's yearbook:

"He that would live in peace and at ease must not speak all he knows, nor JUDGE all he sees." - care to guess to whom that is referring? It's followed by "Down the hatch!"

Imo, the image of all those kegs behind chain link fencing subtitled "100 Kegs or bust" says it all.

Fishpaw - Obviously, there never has been any "culture of alcoholism" at prep schools, or following into their professional careers. They are above abusing their privilege for such illegal, immoral and unethical activities. Completely above board.

Obviously Judge was writing about a different O'Kavanaugh. One who tried to actually rape a girl, not become a Supreme Court Justice. That would absurd.

Well, would that make Mike Judge a witness of some kind? One who has intimate knowledge of a potential sexual assault. But a different Kavanaugh.. One who didn't get blackout drunk. Regularly.

#436 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 04:25 PM | Reply

Kavanaugh Prep School Pal Mark Judge Doesn't Want to Testify Publicly

Mark Judge, the man who is said to have witnessed Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's alleged assault of Christine Blasey Ford more than 30 years ago, said on Tuesday that he would not speak publicly about the allegations.

"I have no memory of this alleged incident. Brett Kavanaugh and I were friends in high school but I do not recall the party described in Dr. Ford's letter," Judge told the Senate Judiciary Committee in a statement sent by his lawyer. "... I have no more information to offer the committee and I do not wish to speak publicly regarding the incidents described in Dr. Ford's letter."

This is the chief character witness that is truly germane to finding out who Brett Kavanaugh was at the time of the alleged incident and I'm quite sure he knows it.

And secondly, there goes any notion that Judge is denying what happened. He admits he has no memory of the events, but I guarantee he remembers details of what they routinely did as teens at that time.

#437 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 04:58 PM | Reply

This bears re-posting:

Eberly, I think you are missing the point. Nobody, neither Democrat nor Republican, really cares if the sexual allegation is true. We Dems are simply looking for a lever by which to prevent Kavanaugh from being confirmed, thereby preventing any appointment until after the mid-term elections when hopefully we will have retaken the Senate, and be able to give pay back to McConnell and the GOP for screwing us over the Garland nomination. (Just as no honest Republican had any real beef with Garland other than that a Democratic President was appointing the replacement for Antonin Scalia.)

#27 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2018-09-18 04:39 PM

#438 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-18 05:26 PM | Reply

#207 They make Kav out to be a raging alcoholic, ammazing that he could graduate with high honers and get into Yale with that kind of problem.
#214 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2018-09-17 11:55 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Also, this idea that Yale, Harvard, etc generates excellence really grates on me. These people are not "better" in any way whatsoever.

They are privileged, moneyed, protected and groomed into positions of authority.

They are not more intelligent or capable than anyone else. In fact, I would easily argue that brilliant people can be found anyplace, opportunities for higher education not so much. Families that can afford to send their kids to school - not so much. Lending systems that do And Kavanaugh isn't just a symptom of a diseased system of inequity, he's a causation. He will continue that trend that places cretins such as himself into positions above the law.

Kavanaugh is being placed because why? Why is it important to proceed now? Why is Trump forcing the Mueller investigation to reveal sources and means? What is it that Kavanaugh could provide this president who acts against his own intelligence services? This is how the well-educated, well-heeled behave. Like scum. They would capitulate and appoint this cretin no matter the consequence - just like they did for King Trump.

#439 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 05:31 PM | Reply

I meant to complete my sentence that the lending system predates upon students specifically. This is imposed by your uppermost educated class upon the poorest.

#440 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-09-18 05:34 PM | Reply

And secondly, there goes any notion that Judge is denying what happened. He admits he has no memory of the events, but I guarantee he remembers details of what they routinely did as teens at that time.

#437 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-09-18 04:58 PM
What a very odd place to stop quoting Judge.
Here's the full quote in which he absolutely denies it:
"In fact, I have no memory of this alleged incident. Brett Kavanaugh and I were friends in high school but I do not recall the party described in Dr. Ford's letter. More to the point, I never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes," the letter quoted Judge as saying."
For the life of me I can't imagine why thedailybeast decided to cut that part of the quote out of his firm denial of the accusations.
Can you imagine why thedailybeast would cut that part of Judge's denial out of his quote?

#441 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 05:55 PM | Reply

#441

The entire statement was linked-to in the article. It was a first posting. And why do you obsess over a comment that is quite redundant and unimportant anyway?

If Judge has "no memory" of the incident, why would it matter that "he never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes"? Dr. Ford did not opine that she believed that what Kavanaugh did to her he must have done to other girls, so your assertion is quite moot. The only allegation IS from Dr. Ford, so Judge not seeing Kavanaugh do something similar to anyone else is not evidence that he didn't do it to her, is it?

You're parsing and obfuscating. Why I don't know, but it makes zero sense whatsoever.

#442 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 06:30 PM | Reply

"You're parsing and obfuscating. Why I don't know, but it makes zero sense whatsoever."

Avigdore dissembles, obfuscates, and whatabouts.
It's what he does.

And Geico can save you up to 15% on car insurance.
It's what we do.

#443 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-18 06:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

He has no memory of a party that he hasn't been told where it was, when it was, or who was there.
He has no memory of that party.
He has categorically denied witnessing Kavanaugh behave in the way Dr Ford described.
I'm parsing? You quoted a news source that cut the ACTUAL DENIAL out of the man's quote.

#444 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You quoted a news source that cut the ACTUAL DENIAL out of the man's quote.

You cannot substantively deny something that you have no memory of. He didn't say Ford's account unequivocally did not happen, he said he has no memory of it.

Legally, there is a world of difference between the two things. Let one of our attorneys explain it to you.

#445 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He said he has no memory of the party.
How could he? He has no information where it was, Dr Ford didn't know. He has no idea when it was, Dr Ford didn't know. He had no idea who else was there. How on earth could he claim a memory of that party?
What he can say, what he DID say, is that he never saw Kavanaugh behave in the way that Dr Ford claims. Dr Ford claims that Kavanaugh attacked her. Judge has stated that he's never seen Brett do that.
What more of a denial could he possibly make?

#446 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-18 06:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

🤪 youtu.be

#447 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-18 06:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Circular reference.
Avigdore has a hell of a time using Excel.

#448 | Posted by YAV at 2018-09-18 09:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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