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"This is, I believe, is not the beginning of the end but the end of the beginning for Donald Trump," Eisen, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump, told ABC News's This Week on Sunday. "We have seen a new chapter. He is not going to survive Manafort's testimony." "I would say there is no prosecutor alive who's more rigorous than Bob," Eisen said of former FBI Director Mueller.

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"I don't think given the nature of the fight that Manafort put up, the seriousness of the crimes, and the power of the evidence of those crimes, Jon, that this deal would have been offered absent some very powerful evidence."

Eisen continued: "We don't know for sure, but I think there's a substantial possibility that this evidence that Manafort is offering will implicate somebody up the chain. Who is up the chain from Paul Manafort? Don Jr. ... potentially the president himself."

Appearing alongside Eisen on Sunday was Ken Starr, the independent counsel who in the 1990s led an investigation into President Bill Clinton that eventually led to his impeachment. Starr shared a similar view on the significance of Manafort's cooperation agreement.

"It is very likely that Paul Manafort has indicated through his counsel and directly that he can provide very helpful information, useful information to get to the bottom of what Bob Mueller and his team have been charged to do. So it is a very significant breakthrough," Starr told ABC News."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-16 12:39 PM | Reply


One of the things I've been wondering is whether or not Russian Intelligence consider Mr Manafort to be an asset. Could they have maneuvered Mr Manafort into the position of campaign director?

And why did Mr Manafort's lawyer say, "... [Mr Manafort] wanted to make sure that his family was able to remain safe and live a good life...."

What's with that "remain safe" part?

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-16 01:54 PM | Reply


Interesting background article, specifically towards the end of it...

The Manafort Guilty Plea, the Mueller Investigation, and the President
www.lawfareblog.com

...Only three weeks ago, the president of the United States lauded Paul Manafort for bravely rejecting any cooperation with Special Counsel Robert Mueller:

I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. "Justice" took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to "break" - make up stories in order to get a "deal." Such respect for a brave man!

-- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 22, 2018


So much for that....

One puzzle that persisted over the course of Manafort's trial in the Eastern District of Virginia, especially as the overwhelming strength of the prosecution's case became apparent, was why Manafort was risking a trial at all. By the time he pleaded, his negotiating position -- what Trump would call his "leverage" -- was substantially diminished from where it had been had he cooperated earlier. ...

So what does all this mean about the state of the Mueller investigation generally? Again, don't trust anyone who purports to answer this question confidently. Mueller's cards remain close to his vest. The information asymmetry between the investigation and the public remains immense.

That said, we think it's safe to say that the investigation isn't wrapping up any time soon. Mueller is still seeking and receiving cooperation and thus learning new potentially relevant information. With Manafort's plea, at least three defendants are subject to cooperation agreements without yet having been sentenced, suggesting that Mueller still thinks they have valuable contributions to make. This group includes former national security adviser Flynn, whose sentencing was pushed back for a second time in July, as well as Rick Gates, who testified last month at Manafort's Virginia trial. George Papadopoulos and Alexander Van Der Zwaan have both been sentenced, apparently without providing "substantial assistance" to the investigation. The remaining wild card is Michael Cohen, who pleaded guilty in August under an agreement with the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, not the Special Counsel's Office. ...


If Mr Flynn is still contributing to Mr Mueller's investigation, I suspect it will be quite a while before Mr Manafort's contributions have ceased.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-16 02:33 PM | Reply

"One of the things I've been wondering is whether or not Russian Intelligence consider Mr Manafort to be an asset. Could they have maneuvered Mr Manafort into the position of campaign director?"

What do we know about Tom Barrack:

Manafort pitched his campaign services to Trump in February 2016 via a mutual friend, Thomas J. Barrack Jr. He touted his international experience, saying the fact he hadn't worked for the "political establishment" since 2005 left him free of any "Washington baggage" in a letter obtained by The New York Times.

Stone, Manafort's former partner and a longtime friend of Trump's, also recommended Manafort. Stone told the Hartford Courant that he pitched Manafort to Trump as "the best delegate counter in the GOP" and as someone who could "bring structure and professionalism" to the campaign.

www.usatoday.com

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-16 03:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More fuel on a fire??? Probably. But its hard to believe Manafort constitutes a bigger risk to Trump than Cohen. The Trump/Cohen relationship lasted decades. Steele thinks Cohen went to Prague on Trump's behalf, setting up the Russian thing with cash.

#5 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-16 05:09 PM | Reply

I've come to believe that Trumnplethinskin is like a cockroach and he can live indefinitely whilst decapitated.

www.youtube.com

#6 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-09-16 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" former FBI Director Mueller."

to have with that title investigation you....

whew!

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-16 05:32 PM | Reply

Mueller's box around Trump is nearly complete. He has yet to flip Stone.

Junior and Kushner are going to be tough nuts to crack. It will be interesting to see how deep that family loyalty goes when they're looking down the barrel at 10 years in prison. Or will Trump make a deal to resign in exchange for lower prison sentences for his kin.

#8 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-09-16 05:52 PM | Reply

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive Manafort's Testimony'

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive Grab Them by the P****y'

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive #resist Movement'

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive #MeToo Movement'

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive This Bombshell'

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive NATO Summit'

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive EU Summit'

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive Kim Jong Un Summit'

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive Insert XYZ Drama of the Week'

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#9 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2018-09-16 06:11 PM | FLAG: DUMBER THAN SNIPPY

Trumplthinskin will leave office in disgrace... Republicl°ws are notoriously dumb.. I remember how pig brains you stuck up for Bushhole2 for 2 terms only to morph into libertariclØwns when he left in disgrace. ...feckless cowards.

Like it or not Sheepledroppings losing the popular vote means more people dislike you than like you.

#10 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-09-16 06:20 PM | Reply


@#5 ... But its hard to believe Manafort constitutes a bigger risk to Trump than Cohen. ...

That, of course, depends upon the context of the risk.

Yes, Mr Cohen has worked with Pres Trump far longer than Mr Mannfort. The risk is, except for campaign finance issues, mainly related to NYC businesses.

However, to me it looks as if Mr Mannafort was significant in possible dealings with the Russians. That risk brings on the aspect of national security issues.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-16 06:20 PM | Reply

As long as Rs hold the House The Orange Agent doesn't have anything to worry about. And if he does go you've got President Pence which is what Rs wanted all along. Sigh.

#12 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-09-16 06:59 PM | Reply

And if he does go you've got President Pence which is what Rs wanted all along.

Pence was picked by Paul Manafort to be Trump's VP and he headed the transition team, telling repeated lies in public about the Trumper's numerous contacts and meetings with Russian agents and cutouts including false statements about his knowledge of Mike Flynn's. If/When Trump goes, Pence will likely be right behind him.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 07:06 PM | Reply

Trump goes, Pence will likely be right behind him.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-09-16 07:06 PM | REPLY

I don't see both going. Remember you have to impeach both and then convict on each person.

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-16 07:12 PM | Reply

Resignation Laura, not impeachment. If the evidence is compelling enough to impeach, both will resign due to pressure from the party or what's left of it after RICO charges are also leveled.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-16 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 201

Trump is in the process of not surviving all of those things.

I'm sorry that real life isn't the sixty-minute drama you see on television.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-16 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Resignation Laura, not impeachment. If the evidence is compelling enough to impeach, both will resign due to pressure from the party or what's left of it after RICO charges are also leveled.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-09-16 07:16 PM | REPLY

Won't happen. Pence won't resign. Trump MIGHT but Pence won't.

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-16 07:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- losing the popular vote means more people dislike you than like you

You're going to be traumatized.

Michael Moore believes 'evil genius' Trump will be a two-term president - www.cnn.com

It's not your fault, I blame crooked DNC and their media lapdogs for fanning the flames of your delusion.

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-16 07:20 PM | Reply

That would make Paul Ryan the president. That would be pretty funny.

#19 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-16 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course the Dems will go after Pence. They'll do anything to satisfy their craven lust for power.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 07:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Michael Moore believes 'evil genius' Trump will be a two-term president

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Sure it's possible. Things can be easier in some ways when you obey no rules but naked self-interest.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-16 07:26 PM | Reply

craven lust for power

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-16 07:23

That's an interesting way to describe an interest in honest governmen

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-16 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That would make Paul Ryan the president. That would be pretty funny.

#19 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-16 07:20 PM |

What would be funny is of Trump and Pence resign after Ryan has already packed his pitiful white ass back to Wisconsin.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-16 07:31 PM | Reply

Of course the Dems will go after Pence. They'll do anything to satisfy their craven lust for power.
#20 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN
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Man, skim this: en.wikipedia.org

#24 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-09-16 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hard to know who to trust on SPs.... Ken Starr or Sheeple Orange Wool.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-16 09:00 PM | Reply

"That would make Paul Ryan the president. That would be pretty funny."

Even funnier would be if the Democrats take the house before it happens. President Nancy Pelosi.

#26 | Posted by dibblda at 2018-09-17 12:03 AM | Reply

What would be a real laugh riot is if Putin decides that he invested in a self-destructive loser who can't hold his party together and shuts off the money tap.

In fact, Mr. Mueller will probably make that decision for him.

#27 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-09-17 04:28 AM | Reply

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive Insert XYZ Drama of the Week'

#9 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Does anybody actually believe Sheeple is a liberal?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-17 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Of course the Dems will go after Pence. They'll do anything to satisfy their craven lust for power.

#20 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Are we sure sheeple isn't a Nulli sock puppet?

The levels of brain rot and cognitive difficulty they both show is too similar to be a coincidence.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-17 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Even funnier would be if the Democrats take the house before it happens. President Nancy Pelosi.

#26 | POSTED BY DIBBLDA

I'm not sure I would find that funny.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-17 10:32 AM | Reply

Same poster, minutes apart:

No, it isn't possible to have a conversation with you.
Because you're not at all interested in having a conversation...
#18 | Posted by jpw

Are we sure sheeple isn't a Nulli sock puppet?
The levels of brain rot and cognitive difficulty they both show is too similar to be a coincidence.

#29 | Posted by jpw

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 10:35 AM | Reply

"Same poster, minutes apart:" - #31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-17 10:35 AM

Both excellent comments.

Thanks for posting them together like that.

#32 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 10:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

At this point, why in the hell would Manafort spill any beans?

He's 70 years old and was just convicted on 10 counts each carrying as much as a 10-year sentence and he faces yet another trial which will heap on even more decades. How many years of his life does he even have left? 20? Also, he was only with the campaign for a short period of time. How many beans can he even have to spill?

The time for Manafort to give up the good was prior to being convicted. His best bet is to remain loyal and hope for Trump to commute his sentence.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-17 11:34 AM | Reply

" His best bet is to remain loyal and hope for Trump to commute his sentence." - #33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-17 11:34 AM

Only works at the federal level.

Manafort faces plenty of state-level charges.

He'd be trading Club Fed for Sing-Sing.

#34 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-17 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump is actually a decent father he will resign to protect his crime family.

MAGA

#35 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-09-17 12:53 PM | Reply

At this point, why in the hell would Manafort spill any beans?
He's 70 years old and was just convicted on 10 counts each carrying as much as a 10-year sentence and he faces yet another trial which will heap on even more decades. How many years of his life does he even have left? 20? Also, he was only with the campaign for a short period of time. How many beans can he even have to spill?
The time for Manafort to give up the good was prior to being convicted. His best bet is to remain loyal and hope for Trump to commute his sentence.

#33 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Money, sentence, and where he spends his final days.

1. What accounts and assets are seized versus what is left for his family?
2. Does he spend his final days in prison or minimal security?
3. Does he serve the remainder of his life in prison or closer to 5-10 years?

Lots to bargain with.

#36 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-09-17 01:08 PM | Reply

Money, sentence, and where he spends his final days.

And will he and his family be protected from the inevitable Russian retaliation once he rats out all the oligarchs and what he knows?

THAT is much more important than money. Personally, I expect Paul Manafort and his family to disappear from the face of the earth at some point after sentencing is done or have reconstructive facial surgeries done if they want to live semi-openly. That is the only way he can be assured of safety.

#37 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-17 01:18 PM | Reply

Does anybody actually believe Sheeple is a liberal?
#28 | POSTED BY JPW

The drama and hysterics seen here daily is not liberal.

It's partisan wedge theater fueled by elite money and corporate media.

You're head is caught in the vise-grip of a Clinton thigh-lock, and your face is smothered in pie.

#38 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 01:43 PM | Reply

38 | Posted by SheepleSchism

BS

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-17 01:48 PM | Reply

"Also, he was only with the campaign for a short period of time. How many beans can he even have to spill"

this is way bigger than trump, stupid

he has over 30+ years as republican operative in Washington.

he has bushels and bushels of "beans" to spill.

#40 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-09-17 01:54 PM | Reply

"The drama and hysterics seen here daily is not liberal."
#38

I agree, the following hysterics are not liberal:

"Unless you believe in open borders, serf class, and enriching yourself in public service to corporations, lobbyists, and the MIC, then you're opinion is a stumbling block to the future, and most unwelcome.
You will be shouted down, stalked, and run out of your job by vigilante Facebook mobs.
POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2018-09-17 11:00 AM

#41 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-09-17 01:55 PM | Reply

Trump won't resign. His job title is the only thing keeping him from an orange jumpsuit.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-17 02:04 PM | Reply

It is unlikely Cohen, Flynn, Gates, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Patten, ------, Pinedo, Van der Zwaan and Weisselberg are going to be the only figures to be convicted and provide stories that discombobulate the Trump team. 26 other individuals and 3 Corporations have also been indicted.

#43 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-17 02:10 PM | Reply

"At this point, why in the hell would Manafort spill any beans?"

Because he wants to spare his wife and kids anymore humiliation. Because he doesn't want to lose all of his assets. Because he doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in prison (Trump can't pardon him for state charges).

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 02:13 PM | Reply

"Also, he was only with the campaign for a short period of time. How many beans can he even have to spill?"

Almost 5 months, from the end of March, 2016 until August 19, 2016, a timeframe which included the GOP convention. Also it was reported he stayed in frequent contact with Pence during the transition and also with Gates, who worked on the campaign, on the transition and into the Trump WH.

fortune.com

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 02:20 PM | Reply

"...he wants to spare his wife and kids anymore humiliation."

His wife was also signatory to a lot of his tax and bank fraud. Notice she hasn't been charged.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-09-17 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#46 Excellent point.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-09-17 02:44 PM | Reply

Trump 'Is Not Going to Survive Insert XYZ Drama of the Week'

#9 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Nice list of Humpy Created Catastrophes.

You missed a few.

Chocolate Cake and Missles!

Maria,

Kids in Cages,

Helsinki,

The Space Force,

Good Nazi's,

Thousands of Americans (Muslims) Cheering Death!

Thousands of Lies and so much more...

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-18 02:20 AM | Reply

He is not going to survive Manafort's testimony.

There is a reason that Trump has not come out with tweets blazing with contempt for Manafort. Could it be that Manafort knows the extent to which Trump and/or Trump Jr. has been compromised by the Russians and Trump doesn't want to tick him off? As the former campaign manager, Manafort was certainly in a position to know what the campaign was up to during his time as the head of the organization.

It's interesting that Mueller is allowing the sentencing of Flynn to move forward now that Manafort is cooperating. It's as if Manafort was able to confirm much (if not all) of what Flynn had to say so now there is no point in postponing Flynn's sentencing.

Trump cares more about himself than he cares for the country. As the Mueller investigation gets closer and closer to Trump or the Trump family, Trump will certainly test the limits of his constitutional authorities.

Buckle up.

#49 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-09-18 07:51 AM | Reply

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