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Thursday, September 13, 2018

Beijing's long-term efforts to promote academic scholarship are paying off. Thirty years ago in December, the modern exchange of scholars between the U.S. and China began. Since then, Chinese academics have become the most prolific global contributors to publications in physical sciences, engineering and math. Recent attempts by the U.S. to curtail academic collaboration are unlikely to change this trend.

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... Beijing's long-term efforts to promote academic scholarship are paying off. ...

... and the Republicans' war on science seems to be paying off as well, as China now is overtaking the U.S.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-13 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The GOP war on intelligence is werking.

#2 | Posted by 726 at 2018-09-13 11:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Every company that does business in china has to become a partner and they take what they want.

#3 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-09-13 04:14 PM | Reply

Every company that does business in china has to become a partner and they take what they want.

#3 | Posted by Sniper

What exactly does that have to do with the thread topic?

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-13 05:07 PM | Reply

"Every company that does business in china has to become a partner and they take what they want."

Thanks, Capitalism!

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-13 05:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

On topic.

This isn't too great for science as a whole. Much of the science from China is meh as the number of papers is most meaningful, not impact or importance of work.

Granted, the US over emphasizes those things, but the aim is still to advance the field more than a small increment at a time.

There's also a significantly greater level of fraud coming from Chinese institutes because of the emphasis on paper numbers.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2018-09-13 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Let's just be honest.

The US is not the greatest country in the world anymore.

And the American Dream has become a pipe dream for most.

And we know exactly who to blame.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-09-13 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#7 It was Al Gore, flying over the polar ice cap in his private jet, with the Social Security lockbox.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-13 08:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I actually think Sniper's observation is relevant. It's not the whole story, by any means, but when you have to surrender your IP in order to do business, you subject yourself to reverse engineering/extrapolation of your product. I can easily imagine this new information spinning off research initiatives.

#9 | Posted by cbob at 2018-09-13 08:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's no wonder. Public schools are more like warehouses than places of learning. Teachers don't have time or resources to help students that fall behind. A few bright kids succeed and the rest are woefully unprepared to do something stem related. It is time we refocused on education. If we have billions to kill people around the world don't we have resources to make sure that kids have a better understanding of science and math?

#10 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-13 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"It is time we refocused on education. If we have billions to kill people around the world don't we have resources to make sure that kids have a better understanding of science and math?"

There are a ton of postdocs in stem and no positions for them after that. Current labs have smaller and smaller budgets. It is not the supply of willing and able people, it's the money and space needed to get these people to work. Frankly, China is hiring English speakers to be professors in their University system. They are very well funded. They have a ton of students willing to do the grunt work. It is likely academics will start leaving the USA for better conditions in China.

#11 | Posted by dibblda at 2018-09-14 03:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Chinese young people come here to our finest schools, get educated and then take that knowledge back to China. I wonder how many Americans are excluded from those schools to make room for the foreign students?
Also, America will never be great again as long as it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to gain an advanced degree and our banks charge 8% interest on those loans. Fewer and fewer Americans are going to want to incur large debt just to MAGA.
A great country educates their people, provides healthcare to their people and insures that everyone who works earns enough for a basic life. These jokers with their MAGA hats are against everything that would actually MAGA.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2018-09-14 05:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You people write as if China was able to leave the caves when Nixon cut the deal and opened trade with China.

17 out of 19 centuries China was leading economic power.

70 centuries of civilization happened in China.... 2 centuries ago this country stepped out of the stone age.... ironically the Mexicans were smelting metal... go figure.

They are not stupid people and they don't need our universities... there are plenty to choose from elsewhere... with nations that have been doing business with them since Marco Polo opened the trade routes. .

The problem with the US is that it has been riding on the heady glory of the Marshall plan and now that is about worn off... and will fade away entirely as the children of WW2 vets die off an it is another story in our patriotic memory.

We haven't been on top for that long... and nukes is what put and kept us there... now more people have nukes.

#13 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-09-14 06:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Our education system is not designed for high achieving academic students. Amazing what happens when schools focus on applied science and technology and not diversity and grievance studies. They've recovered from their cultural revolution and we're in the middle of ours.

#14 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-09-14 11:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

What exactly does that have to do with the thread topic?

#4 | Posted by jpw

You are not even smart enought to figure that out?

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-09-14 12:07 PM | Reply

The US is not the greatest country in the world anymore.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant

Which one is syc? Cuba? I have heard they have a great healthcare system. Fatboy 911 said that.

#16 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-09-14 12:09 PM | Reply

US Conservatives are ushering in a new dark ages. They'll set us back another 500 years, if their willful ignorance doesn't exterminate us as a species before then.

#17 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-09-14 12:17 PM | Reply

America will eventually be absorbed in a fractured manner; there is no arguing that. All we can hope for, and everyone else in the world can hope for, is that the ideals that started America remain after the country becomes whatever it will become. China doesn't believe in the freedoms that America does and America has tried to fight that, but we weren't successful. Now there is no going back because Republicans are too busy enjoying the cheap labor and Democrats are too busy touting how great China is at things they agree with and ignore the bad (like many of the kids going to universities are FORCED to go and get harshly reprimanded if they don't live college and get the best grades, forget going out and having fun).

We fight for net neutrality? Chinese fight just to be able to use the net freely. We fight for better environmental regulations. Chinese fight for face masks that are in short supply sometimes because the air is so bad. But yeah, according to one political party, America is the devil and we all deserve to die because we aren't perfect.

#18 | Posted by humtake at 2018-09-14 12:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The US is not the greatest country in the world anymore.
#7 | Posted by Sycophant
Which one is syc? Cuba? I have heard they have a great healthcare system. Fatboy 911 said that.
#16 | POSTED BY SNIPER

You mean Limbaugh? Oh wait, that was to visit young boys for "charity" work.

Truth is, I'm not sure there really is a "Greatest" anymore as the US falls into mediocrity in so many categories. We aren't really a leader in much anymore in any categories other than number of people who believe angels are real and number of people incarcerated per capita.

We have issues. And until we acknowledge thinks like football players kneeling isn't an issue, but what they are kneeling about is or that science and media isn't the enemy, we can't be the greatest again.

But the real issue we have to conquer first is realizing people like YOU are in the way. We honestly can't save you. We can't convince you. We really just need to leave you behind and forget about you.

#19 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-09-14 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Man, I can't type today.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-09-14 01:50 PM | Reply

"according to one political party, America is the devil and we all deserve to die because we aren't perfect.

What a strange take! All we ever had to do was stop out of control white collar crime, preserve our manufacturing capacity and bring our troop home for exclusive use in "defense". This simple approach would leave more than enough money for perpetual prosperity.

#21 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-14 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But that would be at the expense of the M.I.C.
Can't have that!

#22 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-09-15 01:32 AM | Reply

The answer simple: we need to spend more money on Artificial Stupidity.

At least we can overtake them in that!

#23 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-09-15 07:54 AM | Reply

We don't need any Artificial Stupidity. We have plenty of the natural kind. Doesn't look like we'll be running out anytime soon, either.

#24 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-09-15 08:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I am not learning Chinese. That is all there is to it.

But, fortunately, I speak machine language. So there will always be a job for me under my new masters.

Whether they be AI or Asians.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-15 01:25 PM | Reply

It is likely academics will start leaving the USA for better conditions in China.

#11 | POSTED BY DIBBLDA AT 2018-09-14 03:18 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I have been given that advice a lot.

#26 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-09-15 04:30 PM | Reply

There just isn't enough money to support research. So we can't fund enough ideas. That leads to only funding very incremental research and only funding established or connected research groups.

In the current environment, where we worship ignorance and money, why go into research and save lives for free? It is not compatible with our values.

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-09-15 04:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have been given that advice a lot."

In my current state it may be one of the few options I have to transition to faculty, having not come from the ivy league club. Any research program I come up with will consume a fair amount of resources to get off the ground in time for tenure.

#28 | Posted by dibblda at 2018-09-16 06:19 PM | Reply

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