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Thursday, September 13, 2018

Former President Jimmy Carter sees little hope for the U.S. to change its human rights and environmental policies as long as Donald Trump is in the White House, but he has a warning for his fellow Democrats looking to oust the current administration: Don't go too far to the left.

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... "Independents need to know they can invest their vote in the Democratic Party," [fmr Pres] Carter said ...

Good advice.

When you're a centrist-moderate, the far left is just as scary as the far right.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-12 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think that this is even better advice:

"I don't think any Democrat is going to vote against a Democratic nominee," and he insisted that he's not asking the left to sacrifice its goals, only to see that winning elections is necessary to accomplish any of them.

The key to winning any election is to get the middle to give you more votes than your opponent, and while you may antagonize the far left, in a State or Local election you can count on them voting along party lines pretty much every time, so in contested races you need to move to the center to get elected, which is the point.

#2 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2018-09-12 11:49 AM | Reply


@#2 ... The key to winning any election is to get the middle to give you more votes than your opponent ...

I agree with the part I quoted. However, everything is thrown out the window if there is a third-party candidate.

Think: Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, both of which changed the election dynamics.

In other words, the Democrats still have plenty of time to lose.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-12 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I agree with the part I quoted. However, everything is thrown out the window if there is a spoiler candidate."

FTFY; Candidates who run with no chance of winning just hurt the side closest in philosophy to themselves.

"Think: Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, both of which changed the election dynamics."

Don't leave out Jill Stein who did drain off enough votes to have allowed Trump to win.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2018-09-12 12:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Too late, Jimmy-Jim-Bob. The entire strategy has been reduced to screaming black masks and property destruction.

See the front page of the Trump Retort for a full list of policy posit.., wait, check that,...

the full list of grievances.

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-12 12:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"....Jill Stein..."

*drink*

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-12 12:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

However, everything is thrown out the window if there is a third-party candidate.
Think: Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, both of which changed the election dynamics.

All I was talking about was "State or Local elections", which all but guarantee that there won't be a spoiler candidate that has a realistic chance of siphoning significant votes. Don't get me wrong, it can happen, but most non-national elections (including House and Senate) tend to draw the vast majority of votes to one of the two parties.

#7 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2018-09-12 12:28 PM | Reply

FTFY; Candidates who run with no chance of winning just hurt the side closest in philosophy to themselves.
"Think: Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, both of which changed the election dynamics."
Don't leave out Jill Stein who did drain off enough votes to have allowed Trump to win.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-09-12 12:22 PM | REPLY

Apparently you don't like democracy. I bet if you had it your way there would only be 2 candidates to choose from and no third option.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-12 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

When you're a centrist-moderate, the far left is just as scary as the far right.

#1 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

That's probably why you are a centrist-moderate to begin with; you believe false equivalencies and form opinions in chronic fear.

#9 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-09-12 12:57 PM | Reply

"....where he offered caution about the political consequences should Democrats move to a very liberal program, like universal health care."

That's what independents want!, real meat and potatoes type stuff. They're exasperated with the obsession of identity politics, that have very little to do with their lives. The Democrats need to embrace their more populist side.
Affordable healthcare, affordable college educations, no more "McJobs"

We need a 21st century FDR. Bernie's too old, but I'm sure there's a smart 40-something millennial out there, somewheres, that can do the job

#10 | Posted by shane at 2018-09-12 01:14 PM | Reply

Dammit.
Rcade, can you fix that please.

#11 | Posted by shane at 2018-09-12 01:15 PM | Reply


@#9 ... you believe false equivalencies and form opinions in chronic fear. ...

Not really.

The far-left and the far-right are scary for differing reasons, there's no equivalence, true false or otherwise, in my view. Indeed, the far-left and the far-right are very, very different.

And I use "scary" in the sense of alarming not in the sense of fear.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-12 01:38 PM | Reply

#12> Sorry, I've screwed things up with my post. The toggle switch is stuck on italicized.

#13 | Posted by shane at 2018-09-12 01:47 PM | Reply

Not sure how you did that shane, it must be the ghost in the machine.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-12 01:57 PM | Reply

Next time, just start a new post with the closing < /i > html code and that removes the italics.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-12 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#13

Thanks for closing the italics in my post. Got a new keyboard here (with Cherry Blue switches) and it is taking some time to get used to.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-12 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15> Roger, thanks.

#17 | Posted by shane at 2018-09-12 02:04 PM | Reply

Thanks for closing the italics in my post. Got a new keyboard here (with Cherry Blue switches) and it is taking some time to get used to.

POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2018-09-12 02:00 PM | REPLY |

Is that what they call virgin blue balls these days??

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-12 02:12 PM | Reply

Don't leave out Jill Stein who did drain off enough votes to have allowed Trump to win. - #4 | Posted by Danni at 2018-09-12 12:22 PM

And Johnson who drained off enough Trump votes for Stein to matter.

#19 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-12 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So basically Carter is saying, "Lie about who you are until you get their vote, then do what you want once you are elected"..

Nice strategy and part of the reason Trump was elected in the first place.

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-12 04:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


@#18 ... Is that what they call virgin blue balls these days?? ...

Silly goose. :)

I like the Cherry Blue keyswitches because they have a "feel" similar to the keyboard on my old 1982 IBM-PC. Very type-able....

www.keyboardco.com

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-12 04:25 PM | Reply

"Nice strategy and part of the reason Trump was elected in the first place." - #20 | Posted by pfc. boazotoes© (h/t to ichiro) at 2018-09-12 04:23 PM

Glad to see you finally acknowledge the fact that Trump used the "Lie about who you are until you get their vote, then do what you want once you are elected" strategy.

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-12 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think it's a little late for that.

#23 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-09-12 11:13 PM | Reply

Next time, just start a new post with the closing < /i > html code and that removes the italics.

#15 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-09-12 01:58 PM | FLAG:

Your best post in years.

#24 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-09-13 12:40 PM | Reply

All Carter is saying is Libertarian fake "free market philosophy" runs deep and needs to be taken into account when campaigning. But the philosophy hasn't worked for forty years and it won't work during the next administration, regardless who wins. That is the problem, not whether Democrats or Republicans rule, which has never changed the slow steady concentration of wealth since WWII, which began with the Taft-Hartley bill which crippled the power of unions, putting criminal capitalists in charge of our economy. Long before that these same criminals took control of the money supply with the establishment of the Federal Reserve.

#25 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-13 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 | Posted by bayviking Let's remember the Federal Reserve and the Taft/Hartley bill were established by Democrats.

#26 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-09-13 01:31 PM | Reply

Jimmy Carter Cautions Democrats Not to Scare Off Moderates

Yeah that's what hillary's supporters said.

We'd be fools to listen to those voices again.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So basically Carter is saying, "Lie about who you are until you get their vote, then do what you want once you are elected"..

Nice strategy and part of the reason Trump was elected in the first place.

#20 | Posted by boaz

Then he turned around and did the same thing.

slate.com

Swamp-Draining Trump Administration Has Hired 187 Lobbyists, New Report Finds

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 01:52 PM | Reply

Dems running for Congress are already taking his advice; running on local issues and the now popular ObamaCare, as health care is the top priority for voters over economics. They are leaving Trump to the media, and ideology to the media... and focusing on specific policies that address specific problems for voters.

30 seconds that tell the story of Democrats in 2018

www.cnn.com

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-13 02:09 PM | Reply

They are leaving Trump to the media, and ideology to the media

Of course they are, since the MSM is firmly in their camp, they will let the media act as their advertising arm.

Glad to see you finally concede that the MSM is in the Democrat's back pocket.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-13 02:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"...and the Taft/Hartley bill were established by Democrats." - #26 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-09-13 01:31 PM

The Taft–Hartley Act, (80 H.R. 3020, Pub.L. 80–101, 61 Stat. 136, enacted June 23, 1947) is a United States federal law that restricts the activities and power of labor unions. The act, still effective, was sponsored by Republican Senator Robert A. Taft and Republican Representative Fred A. Hartley, Jr., and became law despite Democratic U.S. President Harry S. Truman's veto on June 23, 1947.
Oh, and the 80th Congress (House and Senate) which passed the law and overrode Truman's veto was run by Republicans.

Oops.

#31 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-13 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...they will let the media act as their advertising arm." - #30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-13 02:14 PM

The only media ignoring the circus that is the Trump White House is Fox.

Why should the media not report on the daily (sometimes hourly) antics of Trump and his circus of fools?

#32 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-13 02:18 PM | Reply

- the MSM is firmly in their camp

In the rational, fact-based camp, yes.

Sad to see that you still don't get that a moderate Republican in CA is a Dem almost anywhere else in this country.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-13 02:30 PM | Reply

Glad to see you finally concede that the MSM is in the Democrat's back pocket.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter

Yeah that's why they talked about bill clinton's penis for 10 years.

MSM is in wall street's back pocket. They want ratings and clicks.

You just think they're against your side because your side has so many more disgraceful stories to tell.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 02:54 PM | Reply

Democrats will be fine as long as Howard Dean doesn't get all excited and start shreaking like a girl again.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-13 03:15 PM | Reply

Yeah democrats. Keep chasing after moderates and lose the Obama coalition.

#36 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-09-13 03:18 PM | Reply

shreaking like a girl again.

POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-09-13 03:15 PM | REPLY

What's wrong with that??? I shreak at times.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-13 03:22 PM | Reply

Yeah democrats. Keep chasing after moderates and lose the Obama coalition.

#36 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

I'm not sure there ever was an obama coalition. He simply inspired people who usually don't vote because they don't trust white people to finally go to the polls.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 03:22 PM | Reply

- the Obama coalition.

Included moderates... much to the dismay of some of the far left. It was the BBros who ignored the moderates and failed to win even a Dem primary, much less a general election.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-13 04:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What's wrong with that??? I shreak at times.

#37 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2018-09-13 03:22 PM | REPLY

If people here could hear it, you'd have more plonks than Sniper.

Don't be Dean.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 05:53 PM | Reply

There has never been a more anti-Soviet US National Security advisor than the Pollack Zibignew Brezynski. This fact is often overlooked by Conservative Carter haters, who persistently, yet incorrectly, paint him as a soft liberal.

#41 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-13 06:14 PM | Reply

A big tent movement means not alienating anyone.

Including white male christians.

#42 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-13 06:34 PM | Reply

How did the Democratic policies of FDR become "far-left-wing"? What we call "centrist" today was far-right-wing Republican when FDR won four landslide elections. These were majority views then. FDR is listed by historians as one of the three greatest Presidents (the other two are Washington and Lincoln).

1932 - 57.41%
1936 - 60.8%
1940 - 54.74%
1944 - 53.39%

So, how did this majoritarian view become "radical left-wing"?

#43 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-09-13 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"How did the Democratic policies of FDR become "far-left-wing"?

Overton Window.

Or as many posters here would put it, if you put a frog in a pot of water and very slowly heat things up, it won't notice.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-13 11:54 PM | Reply

Far left is far less scary than far right. And we live in a world where center right is far left.

#45 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-09-14 12:58 AM | Reply

Marxism is actually pretty damn scary. Modern world seems much more inclined towards fascism though.

#46 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-14 01:57 AM | Reply

Government is mostly a front organiation for the mob.

Here moreso than in the rest of the civilized world, because moneyed interests have co-opted the courts to agree that spending money is freedom of speech.

Many people who consider themselves staunch defenders of the Republic don't seem to mind how much corporate expenditure is used to decide who are their representatives in the Republic.

Is it like a "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus" thing?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-14 02:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#47 I agree that money=speech is bad, but the funny part is that in the internet age, it doesn't seem to be working....

#48 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-09-14 07:50 AM | Reply

The Federal Reserve System was created by elites like Rockefeller, Rothschild.....who understand it makes no difference who is officially in charge, as long as you control the money supply. Lincoln and Kennedy intended to return that power to the treasury Department but neither lived long enough to do so.

#49 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-09-14 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, how did this majoritarian view become "radical left-wing"?

POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Fox News and thousands of lies aided by constant Russian propaganda that is being re-tweeted by the President of the United States.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-14 11:01 AM | Reply

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