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Wednesday, September 12, 2018

The Trump administration appears to have diverted nearly $10 million in funding for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency at the forefront of the president's zero-tolerance immigration policy that led to the separation of hundreds of children, some as young as 18 months, from their parents. "This is a scandal," Merkley said in a statement. "At the start of hurricane season -- when American citizens in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are still suffering from FEMA's inadequate recovery efforts -- the administration transferred millions of dollars away from FEMA. And for what? To implement their profoundly misguided 'zero-tolerance' policy. It wasn't enough to rip thousands of children out of the arms of their parents -- the administration chose to partly pay for this horrific program by taking away from the ability to respond to damage from this year's upcoming and potentially devastating hurricane season."

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The Rachel Maddow Show: And now on that front, we have some breaking news. Tonight, Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon has gotten his hands on a document that has never been seen publicly before which appears to show that Donald Trump`s Department of Homeland Security requested to transfer about $10 million out of the budget for FEMA this year and into the coffers of ICE to support ICE`s detention and deportation programs for immigrants.

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"FEMA's inadequate recovery efforts"

FEMA is a broken down Wells-Fargo bank truck in the ditch. I've been through many hurricanes including Katrina and Gustav. The money that is pilfered is astronomical. By the time a blue tarp gets put on a roof, its been handed down by a general contractor through many subcontractors before anyone ever swings a hammer. They all make money and never touch the damn work. Food and supplies too... It's sad to watch what really goes on.

#1 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-09-12 10:34 AM | Reply

No worries!

They left enough in the FEMA budget for paper towels.

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-12 02:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

A rounding error in the FEMA budget.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-09-13 01:01 AM | Reply

There are abuses in FEMA but none are as despicable as taking FEMA funds to imprison children. Your moral outrage is very misplaced.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2018-09-13 07:00 AM | Reply

And while I'm at it, you do realize that the exact same types of corruption occur in the private prison industry which is used to imprison these kids? You do don't you? It's sad to watch what really goes on in ICE prisons.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2018-09-13 07:01 AM | Reply

It's turning out to be more than $10M, more like $30M now. Coast Guard's funds were pilfered, too. All so we can intern entire families now. As if we didn't learn anything.

Trump doesn't bother with facts or history, or morality of any kind.

#6 | Posted by YAV at 2018-09-13 07:12 AM | Reply

FEMA is inadequate and incapable of performing their job.
Why aren't we giving them more money to be incapable with?

#7 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-13 07:42 AM | Reply

FEMA worked when Obama was president. Funny that.

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-09-13 07:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

FEMA worked when Obama was president. Funny that. - #8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-09-13 07:45 AM
You approve of how FEMA handled the Flint water crisis?

#9 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-13 08:51 AM | Reply

#9

You approve how the Republican government of Michigan handled, are handling, Flint?

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-13 08:59 AM | Reply

Without Republicans, no crisis in Flint.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-13 09:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Without Republican greed, no crisis in Flint.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-13 09:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Without Republican hatred of minorities, no crisis in Flint.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-13 09:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Flint should be a problem SOLVED by now. It just takes Republican political will.

You see the problem here?

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-13 09:03 AM | Reply

You see the problem here? - #14 | Posted by Zed at 2018-09-13 09:03 AM
Not satisfied to deflect just once, you needed a ----- ton of deflection with a massive dose of whataboutism.
Par for the course.

#15 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-13 09:10 AM | Reply

"Not satisfied to deflect just once..."

Posts the guy who deflected to Flint.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-09-13 09:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"As of early 2017, the water quality had returned to acceptable levels; however, residents were instructed to continue to use bottled or filtered water until all the lead pipes have been replaced, which is expected to be completed no sooner than 2020."

Crisis always makes the news. Resolution of them, not so much.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 09:28 AM | Reply

"You approve of how FEMA handled the Flint water crisis?"

"Flint, which had long received water from Lake Huron provided by Detroit's water utility, began drawing its water from the Flint River in 2014 in an effort to save money while a new pipeline was built. Residents soon complained about rashes and strange odors from the river water, but city and state officials mostly insisted that it was safe to drink. Last year, elevated levels of lead were found in children's blood. In October, Flint switched back to Detroit's water system."

www.nytimes.com

#18 | Posted by danni at 2018-09-13 09:32 AM | Reply

"FEMA is inadequate and incapable of performing their job."

Talking point repeater is doing his share to attack federal agencies set up to deal with massive disasters with unpredictable and unimaginable complications to deal with.
We'll see how well FEMA does, again, under Trump. In Puerto Rico the efforts were horrible by design.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2018-09-13 09:34 AM | Reply

FEMA has always been a joke. The Cajun Navy is more effective than they are.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 10:29 AM | Reply

Posts the guy who deflected to Flint. - #16 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-09-13 09:27 AM

The topic of discussion was 'FEMA worked when Obama was president. -#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-09-13 07:45 AM'

How precisely is discussing FEMA's handling of Flint under Obama a deflection from that?

#21 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-13 11:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#19 | Posted by Danni at 2018-09-13 09:34 AM
From the article above:"American citizens in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands are still suffering from FEMA's inadequate recovery efforts "
My restating the position of the article is attacking federal agencies? I guess your real problem is with Democratic Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon who made the attack that I referenced.

#22 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-13 11:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So trump diverted money intended to be used to save lives, and used it to ruin lives instead.

I hope I see lots of trump voters stranded on their roofs this weekend. Until they stop voting for more stupidity and climate change, I hope mother nature keeps kicking their asses.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 11:38 AM | Reply

FEMA has always been a joke. The Cajun Navy is more effective than they are.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Repubs do their best to make sure that every government function except cops and the military is a failure. Government works just fine in first world countries without republicans.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 11:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Democrats spent $600 million on a website that didn't work.

The fed isn't competent no matter who is in charge.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 11:52 AM | Reply

"FEMA worked when Obama was president." - #8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-09-13 07:45 AM

That's because

✔ Democratic presidents appoint people like Craig Fugate to run federal government agencies.

✘ Republican presidents appoint people like Michael "You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie" Brown to run federal agencies.

Funny that.

#26 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-13 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The fed isn't competent no matter who is in charge." - #25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 11:52 AM

And yet, the federal government...

✔ Ended slavery

✔ Opened the west

✔ Built the Panama Canal

✔ Provided a safety net to older Americans

✔ Won two world wars

✔ Rebuilt Europe After World War II (a first in history)

✔ Built the largest construction project in history (the US Interstate system)

✔ Landed a man on the moon and safely returned him

✔ Was the initiator of what we now know as the Internet

✔ Contained communism

✔ Enhanced consumer protections

✔ Built and strengthened the nation's airways system

#27 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-13 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

They did all of the construction projects through private contractors, barely contributed to ww1,could not have won ww2 without Russia, have not won a war in 70 years, wages a war on drugs, bankrolls ethnic cleansing, choked off wireless development for 50 years, lost a trillion dollars in just 1 department, used captured nazis to get to the moon and then quit going when only science was left...

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 12:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not to mention the fact that they've managed to lose nuclear weapons, and never found them.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 12:53 PM | Reply

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 12:51 PM

You gave a subjective list. I would even give that some came with certain justification.

But your blanket "The fed isn't competent no matter who is in charge" is belied by my #27.

#30 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-13 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Democrats spent $600 million on a website that didn't work.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Repubs spent 6 trillion on a war that didn't work.

I'll take a website needing repair any day.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 01:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#30 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-09-13 12:54 PM | REPLY

Your list was subjective, I just added context as to why it's not a particularly good list.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 01:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Your list was subjective..." - #32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 01:11 PM

No it wasn't.

#33 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-13 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not to mention the fact that they've managed to lose nuclear weapons, and never found them.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg

We are not very good at finding WMD, apparently.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-13 01:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I just added context as to why it's not a particularly good list.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg

I added a NW flag to prove it was pretty damn good!

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-13 01:27 PM | Reply

#27 | Posted by Hans

I would like to add to that list.

The National Weather Service has saved thousands and thousands of lives and billions of dollars with their watch warnings and forecasts.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-13 01:31 PM | Reply

One of the lost nukes is near Greensboro, maybe the hurricane will uncover it for us.

#37 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-09-13 02:11 PM | Reply

One of the lost nukes is near Greensboro, maybe the hurricane will uncover it for us.
#37

If it does uncover one, please mount it 'Dr. Strangelove'-style and share a selfie with us!

#38 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-09-13 02:15 PM | Reply

Repubs spent 6 trillion on a war that didn't work.

#31 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-09-13 01:10 PM | FLAG:

Democrats loved it so much they turned it into a 5,000 mile wide perpetual conflict.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 02:23 PM | Reply

Democrats loved it so much they turned it into a 5,000 mile wide perpetual conflict.

POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2018-09-13 02:23 PM | REPLY

Citation needed.

#40 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-13 02:25 PM | Reply

Democrats loved it so much they turned it into a 5,000 mile wide perpetual conflict.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Arsonist blames fireman for not being good enough to perform miracles.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.latimes.com
www.theatlantic.com
www.businessinsider.com
www.huffingtonpost.com
www.thebalance.com
www.mepc.org
theintercept.com
www.npr.org
www.politico.com
www.cnn.com
www.thenation.com

... and then he handed it over to Trump, who is expanding it even further. Shame the only time people want to curtail executive war powers is when it's not their guy in office.

#42 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 02:56 PM | Reply

Arsonist blames fireman for not being good enough to perform miracles.

#41 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-09-13 02:55 PM | FLAG:

Drone assassination program cheerleader.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 02:57 PM | Reply

"Democrats spent $600 million on a website that didn't work."

"Repubs spent 6 trillion on a war that didn't work."

LOL.
Sitz is one of the "economically literate" ones too.

"The US government now borrows approximately $5 billion every business day."
That's nothing, says Sitz: "Democrats spent $600 million on a website that didn't work."
So like, two hours of a government day's spending was wasted. Sounds pretty efficient to me.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-13 02:57 PM | Reply

"Democrats loved it so much they turned it into a 5,000 mile wide perpetual conflict."

What's the bill on that?
Another six trillion?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-13 02:58 PM | Reply

Drone assassination program cheerleader.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg

"WHATABOUT THE DRONES?"

Yeah I'll take stupid drone killings over a stupid 6 trillion dollar unnecessary war.
Got any more credible false equivalencies you'd like to deflect with?

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 03:10 PM | Reply

Yeah I'll take stupid drone killings over a stupid 6 trillion dollar unnecessary war.
Got any more credible false equivalencies you'd like to deflect with?

#46 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-09-13 03:10 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

It's all part of the same thing, and you think it's a false eqvuialency lol.

You're supporting expensive wars while trying to be against expensive wars.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 03:11 PM | Reply

"It's all part of the same thing, and you think it's a false eqvuialency lol."

It's all part of the same thing, that's why I asked about the price tag.

False equivalence is saying it's all part of the same thing but not pricing out the parts.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-13 03:12 PM | Reply

You're supporting expensive wars while trying to be against expensive wars.

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg

I'm not supporting any of it. I'm simply not stupid enough to say bad drone killings are equal to a bad 6 trillion dollar war that destabilized an entire region and killed hundreds of thousands of people.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 03:25 PM | Reply

False equivalence is saying it's all part of the same thing but not pricing out the parts.
#48 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-09-13 03:12 PM | FLAG:

Subjugating Iraq under Bush ran about $1.7 trillion.

Just Obama's spending on Iraq & Afghanistan, $980 billion. Another $500+ billion for the OCF to support a drone war from Mauritania to Afghanistan. Libya was $2 billion per day, turns out the Pentagon misrepresents numbers claiming it was $100 million a week. Real costs of Syrian intervention estimates are as high as $1.5 billion per month.

Sooner or later we're going to be talking about real money.

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-13 03:25 PM | Reply

#50 the bulk of the cost hasn't yet arrived. It's going to manifest as health care cost for veterans, especially traumatic brain injury. Can't make an omelet without scrambling some eggs.

Meanwhile drone operators should have far less future health care cost than soldiers who saw combat.

I'd rather waste our treasure on extravagant drones than hurting soldiers just to patch them up.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-13 04:33 PM | Reply

Sooner or later we're going to be talking about real money.

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg

You realize a trillion is a THOUSAND billion right?

That's not real money to you?

You're so desperate to pretend dem foreign policy is as bad as repub foreign policy that you're trying to say a democrat billion is as bad as a republican trillion.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-13 05:54 PM | Reply

Dems expanded repub foreign policy. Massively. Own it hack.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-09-14 07:23 PM | Reply

Stop lying, Sitzbath.

#54 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-14 07:52 PM | Reply

Dems expanded repub foreign policy. Massively. Own it hack.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Yeah and if they had withdrawn from the mideast and it got worse you'd be blaming them for that instead.

Repubs blew up the mideast and you're blaming dems for not being able perform miracles and fix it all.

Everything from iraq to libya to bengazi to syria to the wave of muslims into europe was all sparked by the dumbest republican every elected until you elected trump.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-14 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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