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Monday, September 10, 2018

Beijing city authorities have banned one of the largest unofficial Protestant churches in the city and confiscated "illegal promotional materials", amid a deepening crackdown on China's "underground" churches.

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The Zion church had for years operated with relative freedoms, hosting hundreds of worshippers every weekend in an expansive specially renovated hall in north Beijing.

But since April, after they rejected requests from authorities to install closed-circuit television cameras in the building, the church has faced growing pressure from the authorities and has been threatened with eviction.

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And we should care WHY?

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-09-10 09:42 AM | Reply

Because Freedom of Speech, that's why. The more universal, the better.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-10 10:00 AM | Reply

You mean Freedom of Religion.

Problem is, China is officially an Atheist country.

If they have a religion, it's called Money.

#3 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-09-10 10:14 AM | Reply

No, I mean what I said. No translator necessary.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-10 10:17 AM | Reply

Either way, they made the right call.

China is the "Middle Kingdom"... it is the heart of Asia. All of Asia's major rivers flow from China.

It is not wise to let a poisonous creed like Christianity grow in the heart of Asia.

British invaders brought this poison with them to keep their subjects weak and obediant. Now that Britain has been cut down to size, losing Hong Kong and about to lose Scotland as well, there is no need to keep their belief system around.

Christianity needs to be kicked out of Asia. Harshly if necessary.

#5 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-09-10 11:54 AM | Reply

And no, Christianity has NOTHING to do with "freedom of speech".

If they were about "freedom of speech", the Church would have admitted the problem of molested children much much sooner.

#6 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-09-10 11:55 AM | Reply

- a poisonous creed

Yes, love is a poisonous creed. Keep on thinking, Shorty, that's what you are good at.

- NOTHING to do with "freedom of speech".

Yes, it's not like they are inches apart in our First Amendment.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-10 01:15 PM | Reply

Why does Tremain hate freedom?

#8 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-10 01:20 PM | Reply

Christianity != Love - not by any stretch of the imagination.

#9 | Posted by silentwalker at 2018-09-10 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

love is a poisonous creed

You want your people to show the same "love" to Chinese kids?

No thanks.

#10 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-09-10 01:41 PM | Reply

#9

"And now abides faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love." Paul's letter, 1 Corinthians 13:13

I have no brief for any organized religion, but NT Christianity is not among those they are only a frail framework of human traditions parading as religion, now as they did as Jews in Christ's day... hypocrites for whom he reserved his greatest criticism.

#10 -your people

You seem to only have pedophilia on the brain, which is a fraction of a percent of a fraction of an organized religion.

You should take your goat's hind legs out of the front of your fake cowboy boots rather than fantasizing about other people's problems, Paki-Texican.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-10 04:51 PM | Reply

those; they

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-10 04:51 PM | Reply

China is a police state and is going to stamp out religions it doesn't like.
There is no stopping them.

#13 | Posted by bored at 2018-09-10 05:17 PM | Reply

They are "re-educating" Muslims and closing Christian churches..... but hey, they are also crony capitalists, so I expect them to soon be heroes of the Republican Right much like Russia is today for that same reason.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-10 05:22 PM | Reply

They are going to do the same for Islam. The Christians will probably just leave. They wont fight back. Crazy Islam followers will soon start bombing. China will fight back brutally. They are going to show you the difference between them (West Asian) and Middle Eastern ideologies.

***grabs popcorn***

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-10 05:40 PM | Reply

#15

Delighting in human misery: how very Christian of you.

#16 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-10 05:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Well, maybe Boaz is right (as if). The Repube Right will make China heroes for killing Muslims AND for being crony capitalists.

Their ideal combo. If a few christians get in the way, well, ------- have always been happy to stab evangelicals in the back after getting their votes, so China doing so literally won't be a problem.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-10 05:49 PM | Reply

Delighting in human misery

I'm not delighting in it. I'm just telling the truth.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-10 05:54 PM | Reply

I'm not delighting in it. I'm just telling the truth.

#18 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-10 05:54 PM | FLAG:

Care to explain this, then?

***grabs popcorn***
#15 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-10 05:40 PM | FLAG:

Yeah, that's what I thought, you sadistic bigoted freak.

#19 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-10 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Go ---- yourself dirk. You are just mad because another country is protecting itself.

I guess you would delight in us taking in a bunch of muslim refugees and then watch while they try to turn our Republic into the craphole they left. I say, you deserve it.

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-10 06:01 PM | Reply

- another country is protecting itself.

By putting Muslims in forced re-education camps and closing churches?

So, I guess when Trump starts doing the same... oh, wait, we already have Mexican kids in cages, so it's already started.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-10 06:05 PM | Reply

"Go ---- yourself dirk."

For what? Telling it like it is?

"You are just mad because another country is protecting itself."

Is that what freaks like you call a religious purge? You are a damned disgrace.

"I guess you would delight in us taking in a bunch of muslim refugees and then watch while they try to turn our Republic into the craphole they left."

Bigots like you are a bigger threat to the US than all such refugees put together. Maybe they should come and YOU should leave.

#22 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-10 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Liberals like you are the problem Dirk..

You would put our entire Republic at risk in the name of multiculturalism.

Ask Sweden and Norway how that's working out.

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-10 07:05 PM | Reply

"Ask Sweden and Norway how that's working out." - #23 | Posted by pfc. boazotoes© (h/t to ichiro) at 2018-09-10 07:05 PM

Yeah!

People of color aren't welcome there.

People like you, pfc. boazotoes

Oh, and our entire Republic is the result of multiculturalism.

Except, of course, for the Native Americans, who didn't have very good border security... or a wall.

#24 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-10 07:11 PM | Reply

"I guess you would delight in us taking in a bunch of muslim refugees and then watch while they try to turn our Republic into the craphole they left."

#20 | POSTED BY BOAZ

God damn boaz, you sure are mean to people with the exact same end goal as you.

#25 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-09-10 07:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

watch while they try to turn our Republic into the craphole they left.

They better hurry before Trump finishes doing it for them.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-10 07:39 PM | Reply

"Liberals like you are the problem Dirk..
You would put our entire Republic at risk in the name of multiculturalism."

Multiculturalism strengthens society. Your bigotry weakens it. So, again, we are better off with them than with you.

"Ask Sweden and Norway how that's working out."

They say it "is working out just fine and sorry about your higher crime rate and relative lack of social services." Such friendly countries.

#27 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-10 07:51 PM | Reply

You would put our entire Republic at risk in the name of multiculturalism."

Boaz. What would you have us do with all the blacks? Should we make them an Israel style homeland around Atlanta or something?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-10 07:55 PM | Reply

Should we make them an Israel style homeland around Atlanta or something?

BOAZ would bomb all them black folks gathered in one place. He hates his own kind.

#29 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-09-10 11:04 PM | Reply

You seem to only have pedophilia on the brain

I am not a christian padre.

your fake cowboy boots

Excuse me! They are quite real and quite expensive. Junglee.

fantasizing about other people's problems

Fantasy?

THIS is the attitude that supports child molestation by the Church.

The Christians will probably just leave. They wont fight back.

Christians can only turn the other cheek, not fight back. LOL

Still, this insidious and twisted version of Abraham's religion needs to be expelled from China, India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Korea, etc.

www.youtube.com

#30 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-09-10 11:11 PM | Reply

Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism belong to Asia.. they have always belonged to Asia.... where the frak does Christianity figure in any of this? LOL

#31 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-09-10 11:13 PM | Reply

where the frak does Christianity figure in any of this?

Think of Christianity as the Electoral College. Popular vote doesn't matter. :-)

#32 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-09-10 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just got off the phone with a Saudi.

He says Pakistanis are the drunk inlaw of the Islamic world and frankly he'd rather they be Christians if only to stop embarrassing Muslims.

#33 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-11 02:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Hmmmmm.... an inbred Infidel from Arkansas "Just got off the phone with a Saudi"??? LOL

The Wahabi Kingdom would whip the snot out of you Arkansas Boy. So no... you did not call a Saudi.

#34 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-09-11 04:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

boy?

When did you start using racist put-downs?

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-11 11:54 AM | Reply

After 1,000 years christianity has converted 2% of the population of China. Perhaps christiany just isn't very persuasive? The trick is to get them when they are young, much too young to really understand what, 'think not for the morrow' or vicarious redemption really means. Once you reach your full height--a position unattainable under any religion that claims you are a miserable wretch born into filth--conversion is rare.

#36 | Posted by BluSky at 2018-09-12 12:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Perhaps (christianity) just isn't very persuasive?"

Perhaps death is more persuasive.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-09-12 12:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

China is too smart for the ole "kill a missionary-win an invasion" game. I'm not saying they aren't killing christians, but not in such a way to warrant any other country sticking its nose around. And lets face it, some christians really have it coming.
...at the end of the fight stands a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased and the epitaph drears, 'A Fool Lies Here Who Tried To Hustle The East'

It was much better for the Corkys of the world back in the good old days. They could brand some raving lunatic a missionary, send him off to a foreign land with zero respect for other people's culture, and he'd predictably and in a short order get his head removed thereby freeing up the the Marines to set up a fruit company or McDonalds or whatever.

Open Doors places China at #43 on their Christian Persecution Syndrome List. Slightly better than Mexico and slightly worse than Columbia, two countries where christians make up a super majority. It would seem christians persecute christians a fair bit.

#38 | Posted by BluSky at 2018-09-12 03:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

so basically this thread is about people who believe in sky fairies, are getting their feelings hurt because a sovereign nation wants to regulate their own society in their own way. hopefully the rest of the world will follow chinas lead

#39 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-09-12 07:02 AM | Reply

@ABLOCK much as it scares you it remains a human right for people to peacefully practice civil religion however they see fit.

Take your Stalinist crap and cram it.

#40 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-12 01:08 PM | Reply

#40 | POSTED BY TOR

and it's my right to point out their concerted effort to keep people subjugated to fairy tales. the only thing that scares me is that i have to deal with people who proudly proclaim their stupidity. but you'll be alright...you gonna' go to heaven LOL

#41 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-09-12 01:33 PM | Reply

Your gleeful support for their violating fundamental human rights has been noted.

#42 | Posted by Tor at 2018-09-12 01:42 PM | Reply

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