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I cant describe how much I disagree with this article. Matter of fact, I cant explain why I'm even posting it here. 90% of you will agree with it, but I guess it's because it's so wrong thinking that I'm posting it here. What I got from this was, white people are wrong for wanting the best for their kids. They shouldnt put them in the best schools, they should put them in under performing schools "for the experience" on racism (the author basically said that in so many words).

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... This is the screwed up view of race that comes from liberals. ...

... What I got from this was ...

It appears that you say it comes from you.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-05 03:26 PM | Reply

Actually no, it comes from the words the author uses.

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-05 03:32 PM | Reply

Another attack on Liberals by the Chief suspect. Just another day in Boaz's world.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-05 03:40 PM | Reply

Another attack on Liberals by the Chief suspect. Just another day in Boaz's world.

And another day without you adding any substance to the conversation.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-05 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And another day without you adding any substance to the conversation.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-05 03:51 PM | REPLY

I would add substance to the thread if I thought it was worth adding substance to. It's just you crying in your tears so it's not worth it.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-05 03:53 PM | Reply

Boaz. What part do you disagree with?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-05 03:55 PM | Reply


@#2 ... Actually no, it comes from the words the author uses. ...

The person bring interviewed uses a lot of words, as does the author of the article.

It would be difficult to sum things up as "white people are wrong for wanting the best for their kids" for numerous reasons. For starters, the article focuses not on white people in general, but white affluent families.

Secondly, complex concepts such as the following passage illustrates, as discussed:

...I think part of it is how we choose to define "the best." Some of the parents in my book, they rejected the idea that their child needed to be in all the AP classes. They valued other elements of their children's personalities, such as their concerns about ethics or fairness or social justice. There were a handful of parents in my study who resisted having a separate track for AP students, for example, which can sometimes be a segregating force within schools.

There were also affluent parents who were very much opposed to having police officers in schools, and they were using their position of influence in the community to try to get the police officers out of there. Maybe others would be aware of their own presence at PTA meetings, making sure they're not dominating them and making sure they're not putting their own agenda ahead of their peers' agendas. I'm not sure that I saw tons of behavior like that, but I certainly saw moments where some of the families were concerned more about the collective than their own kid....


It was an interesting article, though. Thanks for citing it.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-09-05 04:00 PM | Reply

Boaz. What part do you disagree with?

#6 | Posted by snoofy

I'll have to put this into words. I just know I disagree with it..It doesnt sound correct.

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-05 04:03 PM | Reply

Give me a moment. I've got to go to my 2nd job..

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-05 04:03 PM | Reply

I'll have to put this into words. I just know I disagree with it..It doesnt sound correct.

#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-05 04:03 PM | FLAG:

LMFAO You poor poor dear.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-05 04:04 PM | Reply

Pulling your kid out of public school after a racist incident isn't "privilege" in your eyes?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-05 04:04 PM | Reply

Pulling your kid out of public school after a racist incident isn't "privilege" in your eyes?

No.

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-05 04:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Give me a moment. I've got to go to my 2nd job.." - #9 | Posted by pfc. boazotoes© (h/t to ichiro) at 2018-09-05 04:03 PM

boazotoes is #1 in the #2 business.

#13 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-05 04:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Really, sending kids to private school isn't a privilege if you can afford it?

Seriously??

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-05 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 | Posted by boaz

Stupidity of this nature is impossible to argue with.

Listen, Bozo: if you have the means to pull your kid out of public school and send them to private school on a whim, that is what is known as privilege.

#15 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-09-05 04:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wow a multi sentance post by the angry dad....colour me impressed finally. You made it to the big time.

#16 | Posted by mutant at 2018-09-05 07:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's ok to be white.

And black

And yellow.

#17 | Posted by mutant at 2018-09-05 07:52 PM | Reply

Listen, Bozo: if you have the means to pull your kid out of public school and send them to private school on a whim, that is what is known as privilege.

#15 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD

It's a privilege to drive on state roads. Something that can be taken away.

Having the ability to send your kids to a private school because you have earned the money to do it is a result of work or good life choices.

There is a difference.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-05 08:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

priv·i·lege
ˈpriv(ə)lij/Submit
noun
1.
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.

A privilege is given. Everyone has the ability to do better.

#19 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-05 08:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

NW, Boaz.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-05 08:15 PM | Reply

Is having hot sauce ready to use in you purse considered racism?

#21 | Posted by mutant at 2018-09-05 08:21 PM | Reply

"A privilege is given."

Your definition says "granted or available."

Why was private school available?
Money.
What does money do?
Make private school available.

It's a privilege.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-05 09:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Everyone has the ability to do better."

Not everyone has the ability to send their kids to private school.

And even if they do, the private schools have no obligation to take them.

You have a right to a basic education. But you don't have a right to a basic education at a private school. That's a privilege. And it's bigly sad that this needs to be explained.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-05 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm one privileged white boy.

Educated. Kids in private school.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2018-09-05 09:55 PM | Reply

I'm one privileged white boy.
Educated. Kids in private school.

You absolutely are.
So are your kids.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-05 10:00 PM | Reply

"Everyone has the ability to do better."
Not everyone has the ability to send their kids to private school.
And even if they do, the private schools have no obligation to take them.
You have a right to a basic education. But you don't have a right to a basic education at a private school. That's a privilege. And it's bigly sad that this needs to be explained.

#23 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

______________________

"Everyone has the ability to do better."

This is a true statement. I see you ignored it snoofy.

"Not everyone has the ability to send their kids to private school.
And even if they do, the private schools have no obligation to take them."

This mostly true. However the fact is there are a lot of private schools that will work with parents to make it so their kids can go to school there...

"You have a right to a basic education. But you don't have a right to a basic education at a private school. That's a privilege. And it's bigly sad that this needs to be explained."

It is bigly sad that you don't recognize or realize that a lot of parents work multiple jobs and or lots of over time to accomplish this. To call that "privilege" is ridiculous.

For it to be "privilege" one would have to have that ability regardless of wether they were working their tail off or not..It's not "privilege" if you earn it.

#26 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-06 06:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I can't believe you are so stupid, Snoofy.

Going to a private school isnt a privilege. It's earned. It's a choice.

a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.

Going to a private school is available to everyone who earn it, not just a particular group or people.

Affirmative Action is a privilege. Only available to a certain group and given.

Understand now?

#27 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 08:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#27 BOAZ - My kids were raised in a definitely lower-class home. There was NO spare change for nice things. Hell, while the kids were living at home, we could not afford to own and operate a car, even a ----------. However, there were always books from the Public Library, clean albeit not fashionable clothes, food, and Internet. The girls are now lifelong bibliophiles, college graduates (work, grants, and scholarships), gainfully employed, and not living at home.

Boaz is so wrapped up in privilege, he's not aware of it as a force in his life. It is not unlike being aware of your skin or air.

#28 | Posted by john47 at 2018-09-06 08:58 AM | Reply

"Going to a private school isnt a privilege. It's earned. It's a choice."

moron,

for the student, its a privilege.

the student didn't earn a darn thing.. the parents did.

dumb. dumb dumb dumb

#29 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-09-06 09:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#28, #29,

I dont agree. Success is not a privilege.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 10:05 AM | Reply

how is the student successful?

#31 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-09-06 10:30 AM | Reply

also i think driving is a right based on the second amendment.

#32 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-09-06 10:31 AM | Reply

i mean seriously wtf is wrong with right wing brains lately.

for generations people have been saying, those born with a silver spoon were privileged.

#33 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-09-06 10:46 AM | Reply

I send my kids to private school. I am not sure if i would call it a privilege since we sacrifice to do it. We dont take expensive vacations. Drive cars until they fail. Eat at home most of the time. Cut coupons and other ways to be frugal.
While I think the author has a point I think it your moral obligation to provide your child with the best education you can afford. If they aren't as well cultured because they missed out on attending a bad school then that is ok by me.

#34 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-06 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

The Atlantic: A Public School Paradox

www.theatlantic.com

#35 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-09-06 12:06 PM | Reply

So many people still don't get it. This is a perfect example:

"And the ability to do that was not only a reflection of their economic privilege -- they had the resources to suddenly, mid–school year, send their kid to an expensive private school -- but also a reflection of racial privilege in that you can somehow escape racism when you want to as a white person. Certainly that's not the case for people of color."

The ability to do that was because they had money. I sure as hell can't just decide to put my kid in an expensive school. His ass is lucky to get lunch money and be able to spend school time with friends so I don't home school him. The fight isn't about racism anymore. Racism has turned into an offense, not an oppression. If someone wants to make someone else mad, they do something that will make the person mad. Oppression is the new fight that is being ignored because so many people concentrate on racism. So many people concentrate on racism because so many people in the media keep saying it's so bad. It's time for both sides to see it for what it is.

There are so many strawman arguments in this article that relate to the entirely different topic of affluence that it's hard to get through the article.

#36 | Posted by humtake at 2018-09-06 12:09 PM | Reply

#27 BOAZ - My kids were raised in a definitely lower-class home. There was NO spare change for nice things. Hell, while the kids were living at home, we could not afford to own and operate a car, even a ----------. However, there were always books from the Public Library, clean albeit not fashionable clothes, food, and Internet. The girls are now lifelong bibliophiles, college graduates (work, grants, and scholarships), gainfully employed, and not living at home.
Boaz is so wrapped up in privilege, he's not aware of it as a force in his life. It is not unlike being aware of your skin or air.

#28 | POSTED BY JOHN47 AT 2018-09-06 08:58 AM | REPLY

And yet, Boaz isn't white. Yet here we are talking about privilege, affluence, as though it were racially caused. Correlation is not causation. I'm liberal as hell, yet against the current left's constant race-baiting. Boaz and I would flat out disagree on how much assistance I believe ALL our economically underprivileged should be receiving, yet he and I are going to agree on both calling everything to do with economics racism and affirmative action.

Affirmative action doesn't just leave out people who have the double misfortune of being born the wrong color, it has the potential to turn them racist. They see others getting the assistance they need as well, yet are denied - and no amount of education about our nation's past is going to take that sting away, or the propensity for blame. It also delegitimizes any achievement made by people of color, as no matter how great their achievements, how professional and competent they are, to some they will always be the quota hire.

You do away with it all if you just means test people for assistance. Especially in education.

Likewise, you delegitimize arguments for improving school quality like this when bringing race into it. Demonizing people for being racist for not "taking one for the team," for keeping their kids in failing systems rather than offering them the best they can? Wrong damn target! Maybe it's time to look at doing away with funding every school based on local economic demographics and pool the money, equalize the funding and opportunity no matter the local. Then, hey - if parents still want to send their children to private schools, more power to them - but don't give them write-offs or credits for this, paying for the education of the future generation is an investment we as a society have to make.

#37 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2018-09-06 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Humtake and ZPNRG for the win.

#38 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-09-06 01:00 PM | Reply

Boaz is so wrapped up in privilege, he's not aware of it as a force in his life. It is not unlike being aware of your skin or air.

Wrapped up in Privilege? I was born into a family that still used an outhouse. I grew up in a black, lower middle class community where 80% of the people worked for RJ Reynolds. When it left, the neighborhood went to crap and still is. We have never recovered from RJR, AT&T and Westinghouse leaving the Triad of NC. I learned a long time ago not to look at success as a privilege. I learned not to envy the rich, but to study them and learn how they got rich and apply those choices and life ways to my own. And it has worked. I'm not wealthy, but I've never been to prison, served my country and I've got a highly sought after skill.

I'm not always looking for "the racist". Our country has evolved to be, in my opinion, the best place a black person could live. For that, I think, is a privilege. Just because someone exercises their rights to excel in America doesnt mean they are privileged. I guess it just shows just how different our world views are.

#39 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"It is bigly sad that you don't recognize or realize that a lot of parents work multiple jobs and or lots of over time to accomplish this. To call that "privilege" is ridiculous."

A lot of parents work multiple jobs and still can't afford to send their kids to private school.
What's your non-ridiculous term for that? Unfair?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 01:10 PM | Reply

Not all kids get accepted by private school.
That makes it a privilege to go, regardless of the cost.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 01:20 PM | Reply

#40 "uneducated"

#42 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-09-06 01:21 PM | Reply

#40 "uneducated"

^
When your parents are uneducated, you're much less likely to enjoy the privilege of attending private school.

Listen.
Since you guys are convinced that attending a private school that doesn't have to accept you isn't a privilege, maybe you could give me some example of things you think are in fact privilege.
Is it when the Hooters waitress accidentally brings an extra basket of onion rings?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 01:27 PM | Reply

It is bigly sad that you don't recognize or realize that a lot of parents work multiple jobs and or lots of over time to accomplish this. To call that "privilege" is ridiculous.
For it to be "privilege" one would have to have that ability regardless of wether they were working their tail off or not..It's not "privilege" if you earn it.
#26 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

Why?

First, not many work multiple jobs to do this.

Second, many work multiple jobs and still can't afford it.

Why is it Republicans can't see how privileged people are who have a good education, came from a stable family that supported them, and live in a community that affords them the opportunity to send their kids to private schools even if it requires picking up a part time job? The hard work of these parents would be MEANINGLESS without these advantages around them.

Why is it that Republicans feel so entitled to everything and just pretend its all about hard work that got them there?

#44 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-09-06 01:43 PM | Reply

"I was born into a family that still used an outhouse." - #39 | Posted by pfc. boazotoes at 2018-09-06 01:09 PM

Is that why you always forget to flush?

boazotoes: #1 in the #2 business

#45 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-06 02:03 PM | Reply

This thread has caused me to come to a realization. I am going to make a point of telling my kids to NEVER apologize for being successful and to NEVER feel bad or guilty about being successful.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-06 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#46

Amen Jeff...

#47 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 02:21 PM | Reply

A lot of parents work multiple jobs and still can't afford to send their kids to private school.

And who's fault is that? Mine?

#48 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 02:21 PM | Reply

Why is it that Republicans feel so entitled to everything and just pretend its all about hard work that got them there?

You call hard work "entitled"?

So let me get this straight. Someone works their ass of, becomes (your version) "wealthy" and now they aren't entitled to the fruits of their labor? I guess you think they have to "share" it with the downtrodden?

#49 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 02:24 PM | Reply

#49 | POSTED BY BOAZ

He's saying you inbreds confuse your entitlements for hard work. If you actually worked hard, you wouldn't vote republican.

#50 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-09-06 02:27 PM | Reply

"Someone works their ass of, becomes (your version) "wealthy" and now they aren't entitled to the fruits of their labor?"

The kids aren't entitled to the fruits of their parents labor.

Those fruits that get redistributed to the kids are the privilege.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--The kids aren't entitled to the fruits of their parents labor.

Yeah! That money belongs to the State.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-06 02:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#52 I didn't know whether to give #52 a NW or a FF. I went with a FF because it summed up a certain attitude perfectly.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-06 02:44 PM | Reply

"Yeah! That money belongs to the State."

Not the first $22.4 million. And not the stepped-up securities.

Feel free to explain how inheriting at a stepped-up basis isn't privilege.

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-09-06 02:45 PM | Reply

Born on third base.
Thinks he hit a triple.
That's privilege.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 02:46 PM | Reply

The kids aren't entitled to the fruits of their parents labor.

Those fruits that get redistributed to the kids are the privilege.

What? What a crappy way to look at life. And I would assume kids with parents with your point of view are the ones who are growing up feeling entitled.

#56 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 03:25 PM | Reply

Born on third base.
Thinks he hit a triple.
That's privilege.

No, that's spoiled.

#57 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 03:25 PM | Reply

#55 No, that's arrogance.

#58 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-09-06 03:31 PM | Reply

There is no such thing as privilege, to Boaz.

I can see why you didn't like the article.

You reject the premise that if you're middle class and white you tend to lead a more privileged life than if you're poor and black.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 03:38 PM | Reply

I find it interesting how some people on this thread refuse to acknowledge the role that hard work and personal choices play in being successful. You literally can come from nothing and become fairly successful in America. No not top 1% but having a decent home and job isn't hard to obtain if you don't make poor choices. I mean don't use narcotics, Don't get pregnant at an early age, Don't become a drunkard. Apply yourself a little and you can almost be guaranteed success.

#60 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-06 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You reject the premise that if you're middle class and white you tend to lead a more privileged life than if you're poor and black.

I dont believe it's because they are white they are living that life. Anyone can have that life, no matter what race you are, in today's society.

One thing I will give you Snoofy, whites in this coutry did have a head start on being affluent in this nation due to slavery. BUT, it's still not a privilege. Blacks can attain the same levels of wealth and social status.

#61 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 03:42 PM | Reply

"I find it interesting how some people on this thread refuse to acknowledge the role that hard work and personal choices play in being successful."

Who did that?
What post?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 03:43 PM | Reply

"I dont believe it's because they are white they are living that life."

So you also don't believe racism exists, and affects black people.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 03:44 PM | Reply

"Blacks can attain the same levels of wealth and social status."

That's not the same as actually attaining it, Boaz!

Boaz ridiculously claims blacks and whites have equal privilege.

Meanwhile, in America,

"The net worth of the average black household in the United States is $6,314, compared with $110,500 for the average white household, according to 2011 census data. The gap has worsened in the last decade, and the United States now has a greater wealth gap by race than South Africa did during apartheid."

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 03:47 PM | Reply

"Why is it Republicans can't see how privileged people are who have a good education, came from a stable family that supported them, and live in a community that affords them the opportunity to send their kids to private schools even if it requires picking up a part time job? The hard work of these parents would be MEANINGLESS without these advantages around them."

Snoofy a lot of those advantages occur because the parents made good life choices and worked hard. I feel like Sycophant believes these advantages are just happenstance.

#65 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-09-06 03:48 PM | Reply

lead a more privileged life than if you're poor and black.

There are also narratives that are keeping blacks poor. The contant "watch out for that racist" theme is holding blacks back as well. They are being born with the racism chip on their shoulder (or more likely, put there by the preceding generation). I didnt do that with my kids. They know nothing of racism and havent seen it in action, even though we've lived amonst almost exclusively white families. They only know what they are told by Democrats and Democrat plantation blacks. Without the constant race baiting, they would probably never know racism exists. They have never been taught that someone else could hold them back for any reason.

Too many poor blacks are told they are denied something and it's someone else's fault. Until we shake this constant race baiting democrat party, blacks will never truly assimilate and be free.

#66 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 03:49 PM | Reply

Boaz ridiculously claims blacks and whites have equal privilege.

We do. We just have to stop democrats like yourself from telling us we dont.

#67 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 03:52 PM | Reply

We do. We just have to stop democrats like yourself from telling us we dont.

#67 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 03:52 PM | FLAG:

Laughable. Whites have nowhere near the social, political, or economic power of whites.

#68 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-06 03:54 PM | Reply

Of NON-whites^^^

#69 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-06 03:54 PM | Reply

Blacks have nowhere near the social, political, or economic power of whites.

I'm going to assume you meant blacks...

True beacause:

1. There are more whites than blacks
2. The headstart afforded whites by slavery.

Slavery is over. We need to move on and that gap would narrow quickly over time.

#70 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 03:55 PM | Reply

Whites have nowhere near the social, political, or economic power of non-whites.

#68 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Didn't a non-white recently occupy the White House for 8 years?

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-06 03:55 PM | Reply

Asians seem to do really well for themselves. I wonder why that is with them being a minority and all...

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-06 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Heck, Harvard is actively discriminating against Asians in order to artificially deflate their enrollment numbers.

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-06 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Didn't a non-white recently occupy the White House for 8 years?

Is that how your u characterized Obama's? As a "non-white"?

You Trumpublicans never cease to amaze.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-06 04:01 PM | Reply

First, not many work multiple jobs to do this.

Second, many work multiple jobs and still can't afford it

#40 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
#44 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

"First, not many work multiple jobs to do this."

I know plenty that have....
Some parents send them to public schools, some can afford it and more with one job.

"Second, many work multiple jobs and still can't afford it"

Why? Did they try to? Where do they live(not all areas have private schools that will work with there budget, however more do than don't though) There are lots of variables I could go on.... Your assertion is a poor one though(I expect more from you, you are better than that) ....

That's called unfortunate Snoofy it's like a single person car accident, can it be avoided yes is it always no....

#75 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-06 04:05 PM | Reply

"not all areas have private schools that will work with there budget"

That's one of the things that makes public school a right and private school a privilege.

Public schools can't say no. Private schools have the privilege of turning students away.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 04:08 PM | Reply

Is that how your u characterized Obama's? As a "non-white"?

#74 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

It was in response to this post:

Whites have nowhere near the social, political, or economic power of non-whites.

#68 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN


If you have an issue with "non-white", take it up with Dirk.

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-06 04:08 PM | Reply

"Didn't a non-white recently occupy the White House for 8 years?"

Didn't whites occupy the White House for the other 221 years?

So I guess whites have 96% of the political power, despite being only 77% of the population...

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#76,

I dont agree with that, Snoofy. You are just wrong. It's not a privilege to go to a private school. Someone paid for that.

I just dont agree and you are wrong.

#79 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 04:13 PM | Reply

That's one of the things that makes public school a right and private school a privilege.
Public schools can't say no. Private schools have the privilege of turning students away.

#76 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Would be true if a person couldn't move to a different location... I think you'd be amazed at what happens when one tries!... There is noy much stopping someone that is motivated to do it...

#80 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-06 04:15 PM | Reply

"It's not a privilege to go to a private school. Someone paid for that."

Someone paid for public school too.
Difference is, the private school has to accept you.
That makes getting accepted a privilege.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 04:15 PM | Reply

There are also narratives that are keeping blacks poor. The contant "watch out for that racist" theme is holding blacks back as well. They are being born with the racism chip on their shoulder (or more likely, put there by the preceding generation). I didnt do that with my kids. They know nothing of racism and havent seen it in action, even though we've lived amonst almost exclusively white families. They only know what they are told by Democrats and Democrat plantation blacks. Without the constant race baiting, they would probably never know racism exists. They have never been taught that someone else could hold them back for any reason.
Too many poor blacks are told they are denied something and it's someone else's fault. Until we shake this constant race baiting democrat party, blacks will never truly assimilate and be free.

#66 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 03:49 PM | FLAG:

Truth. The first girl I truly fell for was mixed - but even in Michigan winters, at most appeared light skinned, but definitely black. I'm not saying there is no racism because there for damn sure was, and unknown to me until then, apparently even more hate for mixed couples. Yet, while I saw it bring her to tears a time or two, one thing I never saw it do was slow her down or hold her back. And - it didn't, because she never let it. She went on through college, and to the best of my knowledge, on to be very successful. (My being Army was kind of what did it in, too much time away, too many differences on where we were going, but obviously unrelated.)

The other thing about the aforementioned racism was virtually all of it came from uneducated yokels who meant nothing and had no power to do anything with it. In fact, the only time I ever see it matter is in sentencing - I have personally watched black men get the book thrown at them while white men walked for the exact same crime, the same number of offenses. Somewhere I really feel there should be more judicial oversight regarding this kind of thing, because for the most part, almost everyone deserves the chance to turn their life around, barring the most violent. Digressing there, but the point remains - what holds people back is no longer racism, it's what is in their own heads. The very same people called out here supposedly for racism, for the act of making sure their children recieved a good education were in most cases the very ones I saw little to no racism from, who were always the most accepting. I didn't see it in the military, and I've never seen it in corporate culture where I'm at. It needs to be allowed to finish dying out.

#82 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2018-09-06 04:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Would be true if a person couldn't move to a different location..."

No, private schools are selective, and the notion that a family can always move to an area where private schools are guaranteed to take their kids is doubly wrong.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 04:17 PM | Reply

One thing this thread has made clear.

Boaz's daughters don't attend private schools.

He seems ignorant of how difficult it is to get your kids into one.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-06 04:23 PM | Reply

Boaz's daughters don't attend private schools.

My kids have attended private schools at one time or another.

When I was stationed at Bragg, the middle schools and high schools in Fayetnam are hideous. Gang filled with violence and thugs, no one on the base wants their kids to go to an off base school. So I sent my kid to a private school. Was it tough, yes. But now that I'm retired, I came back home, bought a house in the affluent part of Winston Salem NC and now my youngest, who is 7 now, will go to one of the best high schools in the area.

I earned that, it wasnt a privilege.

#85 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 04:26 PM | Reply

"I earned that, it wasnt a privilege."

Your kids didn't earn it, it was their privilege.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 04:34 PM | Reply

Slavery is over. We need to move on and that gap would narrow quickly over time.

#70 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 03:55 PM | FLAG:

It hasn't really been given the chance.

#87 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-06 04:38 PM | Reply

notion that a family can always move to an area where private schools are guaranteed to take their kids is doubly wrong.

#83 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Tell them to move to where I live.... I GuaranteE, if they are trying to get them into a private school it will happen.

#88 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-06 04:39 PM | Reply

Didn't a non-white recently occupy the White House for 8 years?
#71 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-09-06 03:55 PM | FLAG:

It took ages and he was subjected to non-stop racism.

#89 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-06 04:40 PM | Reply

"They know nothing of racism and havent seen it in action"

They must not be spending much quality time with their pops.

"They have never been taught that someone else could hold them back for any reason."

Their first Driving While Black experience should be a real eye-opener then!

"They only know what they are told by Democrats and Democrat plantation blacks. Without the constant race baiting, they would probably never know racism exists."

Newsflash: "Democrat Plantation Blacks" is racist... or is it race-baiting?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 04:41 PM | Reply

"Asians seem to do really well for themselves."

In some respects, maybe. They are still dramatically underrepresented in the media, many industries, and virtually every level of government. Oppression takes many forms.

#91 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-09-06 04:43 PM | Reply

"Tell them to move to where I live"

Telling peoole to move doesn't make moving affordable. It doesn't guarantee a job is waiting for you when you move there.

You're apparently blind to the privileges that having money affords. Privileges like being able to afford taking time off to move to where the good schools are.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 04:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

now that I'm retired, I came back home, bought a house in the affluent part of Winston Salem NC and now my youngest, who is 7 now, will go to one of the best high schools in the area.

I'm glad your government job and government pension allow you and your family the opportunity to enjoy those luxuries.

#93 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-06 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#92 Lmao....Snoofy...

One word for you.. DETERMINATION!

Don't say it can be done when it can, just admit it would take HARD Work and making good choices to do it....

#94 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-06 04:59 PM | Reply

*can't

#95 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-06 05:00 PM | Reply

They must not be spending much quality time with their pops.

Actually, they do, I just dont spend that time putting a racism chip in them.

#96 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 05:13 PM | Reply

I'm glad your government job and government pension allow you and your family the opportunity to enjoy those luxuries.

That pension was earned through service to the nation. Rest assured, the govt got more out of me than I got paid for. But I was also there for 20+ years.

Your jealousy of people who earn something as opposed to being given something of value is ugly.

#97 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And you have to earn rank in the military, it isnt given. They just dont make any joe schmo officer rank (I started off as a PVT). You have to qualify for it. You have to earn it on your own. It wasnt a privilege. It was a consequence of hard work.

#98 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 05:23 PM | Reply

Is it the racism chip that sends more black Americans to prison?

Is it the racism chip that gives black Americans harsher sentences for crimes than white Americans?

Is it the racism chip that excludes black Americans from being hired for jobs they're eligible for?

Is it the racism chip that depicts black Americans as receiving more government welfare than white Americans?

Racism exists.

Pretending it doesn't won't help it go away.

At the same time. I agree, black Americans need to stop seeing themselves as victims and strive to better themselves, their children and their communities.

#99 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-06 05:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#97 Nobody said they were jealous of you. And nobody said you didn't work hard. The fact that you reflexively react to my accurate statement that you had a government job and government pension with a diatribe about "working hard" speaks volumes.

You're not the only person in the world who worked hard. I don't expect you to ever think about anyone but yourself, though.

#100 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-06 05:32 PM | Reply

"Don't say it can be done when it can, just admit it would take HARD Work and making good choices to do it..."

Actually it only takes enough money to move, and enough money to survive until you land another job and start getting a paycheck.

Hard work and good choices are just one means to that end. Being born rich is another.

Of course, making good choices is typically the result of a good education, and when that good education comes from a good school, it means you had the privilege of attending a good school.

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 05:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That pension was earned through service to the nation.

Well. Social Security and Medicare are earned by working your whole life and paying taxes.

But, Republicans (you) act like they're a privilege.

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-06 05:37 PM | Reply

The fact that you reflexively react to my accurate statement that you had a government job and government pension with a diatribe about "working hard" speaks volumes.

Your tone of voice insinuates that my pension was just "given" to me. That's why I responded like I did. Anyone who works in the military would never think of it like that, hence why you are so ignorant to the sacrifices our military makes, evidently.

#103 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 05:39 PM | Reply

Boaz seems to be saying the main reason blacks aren't doing nearly as well as whites is blacks are lazy.

Boaz, please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 05:40 PM | Reply

Of course, making good choices is typically the result of a good education...
#101 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Hey look, Snoofy. there's even blacks, foreigners, and women on the list. www.storypick.com

#105 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-06 05:44 PM | Reply

Is it the racism chip that sends more black Americans to prison? No, it's the thug culture and the helplessness felt by constantly being told you are being held down.

Is it the racism chip that gives black Americans harsher sentences for crimes than white Americans? Depends. If there are mitigating factors for the harsher crime, then maybe not. The justice system does need to be changed. Is it sexism when a man get a harsher sentence for pedophilia than a woman who bangs her underage male student?

Is it the racism chip that excludes black Americans from being hired for jobs they're eligible for? I havent found that to be the case. It's all about presentation. If you go to a job interview looking like a thug, you will be treated like one. If you are in an interview and you give off the SJW vibe, I highly doubt you will get hired.

Is it the racism chip that depicts black Americans as receiving more government welfare than white Americans? No, it's a perception. People see generations after generations of blacks living in projects, and that pushes the perception.

Racism exists. Of course it does. But my surmise is, it's not nearly as prevalent as Democrats/Liberals say it is. And it exists with EVERY race against all the others.

Pretending it doesn't won't help it go away. Not accentuating it will help it go away.

#106 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 05:46 PM | Reply

Boaz seems to be saying the main reason blacks aren't doing nearly as well as whites is blacks are lazy.
Boaz, please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

#104 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I dont know where you got that from. I've never said that or inferred it. What I am saying, is that a constant message from white democrats to poor blacks that they are always being held down and need the help of Democrats to "right" things is whats holding blacks back.

The Civil Rights era is over, the mission has been accomplished, but some cannot and do not want to let it go..

#107 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 05:49 PM | Reply

Your tone of voice insinuates that my pension was just "given" to me.

Because i called it a government pension?

That's why I responded like I did.

No, you responded the way you did because your perception of government benefits and pensions is that they are for leeches (except when you're the recipient, of course).

#108 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-06 05:55 PM | Reply

Boaz you've been dancing around it.
Do you agree with this?

"Snoofy a lot of those advantages occur because the parents made good life choices and worked hard. I feel like Sycophant believes these advantages are just happenstance.
#65 | POSTED BY BYRDMAN"

Advantages (aka privileges) come because parents worked hard.

The other side of the coin is obviously that disadvantages come because parents don't work hard.

You know, disadvantages like a household worth $6,314 instead of $110,500.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 05:56 PM | Reply

"The Civil Rights era is over, the mission has been accomplished"

Has it?

The average black household is worth about 6% of the average white household.

What was the mission, to create a permanent black underclass?

That's what the Democrat Plantation is, right, a permanent black underclass?

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 05:58 PM | Reply

"a constant message from white democrats to poor blacks that they are always being held down"

Who is being held down more by their financial reality, the family worth $6,314 or the family worth $110,500?

Seriously Boaz.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 06:00 PM | Reply

"Is it the racism chip that excludes black Americans from being hired for jobs they're eligible for?'

"I havent found that to be the case. It's all about presentation"

LOL my negro.

Part of the "presentation " is not having a black sounding name!

Boaz can't see the racism in this:

African American and Asian job applicants who mask their race on resumes seem to have better success getting job interviews, according to research by Katherine DeCellesand colleagues.
hbswk.hbs.edu

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 06:06 PM | Reply

- The Civil Rights era is over, the mission has been accomplished, but some cannot and do not want to let it go..

Says the guy who cabs wouldn't stop for NYC.... even though only 6 percent of the drivers are white.

genius.com

www.huffingtonpost.com

#113 | Posted by Corky at 2018-09-06 06:07 PM | Reply

The Civil Rights era is over, the mission has been accomplished, but some cannot and do not want to let it go..

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 05:49 PM | REPLY

No, No it's not over. Not when blacks are deemed second class citizens and the LGBTQI still don't have equal rights. We have a long way to go before it's over.

#114 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-06 06:12 PM | Reply

Heck, Harvard is actively discriminating against Asians in order to artificially deflate their enrollment numbers.
POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-09-06 03:57 PM | REPLY | FLAGGED NEWSWORTHY BY BOAZ

The Civil Rights era is over, the mission has been accomplished, but some cannot and do not want to let it go..
POSTED BY BOAZ

^
Oh I get it, Boaz.

Now that the Civil Rights Era is over, it's not a problem that Harvard is actively discriminating against minorities. Those problems are over.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 06:22 PM | Reply

Shut up Laura. Blacks are not second class.

#116 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 06:23 PM | Reply

#115 Eventually it's going to have to come down to performance.

#117 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 06:25 PM | Reply

"Blacks are not second class."

Sure they are.

The family with $6,314 is second class compared to the family worth $110,500.

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 06:36 PM | Reply

Shut up Laura. Blacks are not second class.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 06:23 PM | REPLY

When White Cops by large amounts get off on killing unarmed black people yes they are deemed second class citizens. When a group of blacks carry long guns to be treated as criminals yet a group of whites doing the same are not yes blacks are deemed second class citizens.

#119 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-06 06:39 PM | Reply

"Eventually it's going to have to come down to performance."

Eventually.

Well slavery's been gone for 150 years and the median black family is worth about 6% what the median white family is worth.

So would you say we've made it six percent of the way to true equality, in just 150 short years?

Eventually we'll get there.

Just need about 2,500 more years.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 06:40 PM | Reply

You know, disadvantages like a household worth $6,314 instead of $110,500.

That's not a disadvantage. That's an opportunity to excel.

#121 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 06:44 PM | Reply

#120,

I say it is a legacy of slavery, but it's also the Democrat/Liberal mindset hold blacks back. I think assimilation and fostering an overall better perception will do alot of finish off racism.

#122 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 06:45 PM | Reply

I say it is a legacy of slavery, but it's also the Democrat/Liberal mindset hold blacks back. I think assimilation and fostering an overall better perception will do alot of finish off racism.

#122 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 06:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Assimilation to which culture??

#123 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-06 06:53 PM | Reply

"You know, disadvantages like a household worth $6,314 instead of $110,500.

That's not a disadvantage. That's an opportunity to excel.
#121 | POSTED BY BOAZ"

Really.

The household with $6,314 has a greater opportunity to excel than the household with $110,500.

Can you show us the math on that one?

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 06:56 PM | Reply

I say it is a legacy of slavery, but it's also the Democrat/Liberal mindset hold blacks back. I think assimilation and fostering an overall better perception will do alot of finish off racism.

#122 | Posted by boaz

Pray tell what is the democrat mindset? That everyone deserves an equal opportunity and we should protect the planet?

Assimilation = dress, speak, and act like me so I wont be racist against you.

Remember when you used to pretend to be black so you could be openly racist against blacks and not be called a racist? That was funny.

#125 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-06 06:58 PM | Reply

"I say it is a legacy of slavery, but it's also the Democrat/Liberal mindset hold blacks back."

Having six black cents to every white dollar is what's holding black households back.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 07:00 PM | Reply

Assimilation to which culture??

Stop dividing us with more than one and you will know..

#123 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

#127 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 07:01 PM | Reply

Having six black cents to every white dollar is what's holding black households back.

Not putting yourself in a position to make more cents is what's holding black households back.

#128 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 07:01 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Where are you getting those numbers? I'm not asking for a link, just curious as to where you got the numbers.

#129 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-06 07:07 PM | Reply

Assimilation to which culture??
Stop dividing us with more than one and you will know..
#123 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 07:01 PM | REPLY

We have more than one culture here in America slick so which culture is it??

#130 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-06 07:09 PM | Reply

#106 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I agree with a lot of what you've written in this post. No all of it. But definitely a lot of it.

#131 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-06 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Not putting yourself in a position to make more cents is what's holding black households back."

It's not theirs alone to put.

You ever get a job from a poor person?

And if you want a job, you're more likely to get it if your resume hides that you're black.

So, you're saying blacks need to just accept racist reality and deal with it; work around it if they want to be successful.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 07:11 PM | Reply

Next up from Bozo.. How evil-intentioned black people perpetuate racism by blaming all the world's problems on Liberals..

#133 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-09-06 07:14 PM | Reply

Next up from Bozo.. How evil-intentioned black people perpetuate racism by blaming all the world's problems on Liberals..

#133 | Posted by donnerboy

He's not black. He stopped pretending long ago. He's just openly racist now without hiding behind "well I'm black so it's not racist if I say [insert racist statment here.]

#134 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-06 07:18 PM | Reply

at least I'm being called a "well-intentioned" whitey.

or maybe I'm an outright KKK loving racist.

oh well... ... .the sun will come up tomorrow.

#135 | Posted by eberly at 2018-09-06 07:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Maybe Eberly has an opinion on which household has more privilege, the one worth $6,314 or the one worth $110,500.

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 07:23 PM | Reply

"Blacks can attain the same levels of wealth and social status."

Individual cases, sure, but overall...math says you're wrong.

For example, how much in stocks did you inherit on a stepped up basis?

#137 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-09-06 07:32 PM | Reply

"at least I'm being called a "well-intentioned" whitey.

or maybe I'm an outright KKK loving racist."

Don't fret.
There were good people on both sides.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 07:34 PM | Reply

I'm not putting my kids in your ------ school district with a 60 percent graduation rate, constant threats of violence and half the school in suspension at one time or another. Coming home without an ass beating is a major accomplishment in those districts.

This is like spending 300k on a Ferrari to run it at a demolition derby. I'll deal with being called a racist, and you can feel free to use your children in whatever social experiment you like.

#139 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-09-06 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I'm not putting my kids in your ------ school district with a 60 percent graduation rate, constant threats of violence and half the school in suspension at one time or another."

Nor will you accept those kids at your kids private school.

Not even with a voucher.

#140 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 07:45 PM | Reply

#106 | POSTED BY BOAZ
I agree with a lot of what you've written in this post. No all of it. But definitely a lot of it.

#131 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

A wormhole in the fabric of space time is going to open up now. The God Jehovah is definitely coming back soon.

#141 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 07:52 PM | Reply

The simple fact is that a 2 tier education system where the best facilities are available only to those able to afford access has privilege built into it. Whether you were born into money, or have to work 3 jobs to meet school fees doesn't change that.

In fact, my experience tells me that one of the main reasons parents send their children to private schools is because they specifically want them to have the privileges that come from attending such schools. Whether those privileges are a better standard of education, access to better sports facilities, access to a more well connected social network or access in later life to better universities or job opportunities, parents do not pay the high cost of private education for no reason. A chance for a better life of their children through access to real world privilege is the reason.

It is also my experience that for parents who struggle with the financial costs of private schooling, access to privilege is more important to them than with wealthy parents, for the simple reason that wealthy parents already have access to the benefits that are perceived to derive from economic privilege.

Boaz and I don't see eye to eye on many things and we don't on whether attending a private school is an exercise in privilege, but I do agree with him that in general the premises underlying the article are out of touch with reality, both existing and future. It struck me as an exercise in academic theorizing unrelated to most people's real world.

#142 | Posted by Foreigner at 2018-09-06 07:54 PM | Reply

Nor will you accept those kids at your kids private school.
Not even with a voucher.

#140 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

That's because at a private school, those kids would have to act like they have some sense. And they would probably have to have an academic record to show they deserve to be there. That's why private schools are better.

#143 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 07:56 PM | Reply

That's why it's a privilege to attend private school.

Not a right. A privilege born of your parents money... or by being very smart, or possibly a great athlete.

#144 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 07:58 PM | Reply

So, what should be taken from this thread is, if you stop insulting me long enough, maybe we can come to some agreements, or not.

#145 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 07:58 PM | Reply

You know, disadvantages like a household worth $6,314 instead of $110,500.
That's not a disadvantage. That's an opportunity to excel.

#121 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 06:44 PM | FLAG:

The most disingenuous post i've ever seen here. And ive been here a very long time.

#146 | Posted by JOE at 2018-09-06 08:00 PM | Reply

"maybe we can come to some agreements"

It sucks to be black, compared to being white, by just about any measure of success you can think of?

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 08:04 PM | Reply

"...if you stop insulting me long enough..." - #145 | Posted by pfc. boazotoes© (h/t to ichiro) at 2018-09-06 07:58 PM

When did you stop insulting liberals?

#148 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-06 08:05 PM | Reply

"When did you stop insulting liberals?"

As I recall, it was the 12th of Never.

#149 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-09-06 08:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

A privilege born of your parents money

Again, it's not a privilege.

#150 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 08:14 PM | Reply

It sucks to be black, compared to being white, by just about any measure of success you can think of?

Penis size.

#151 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 08:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's absolutely a privilege to attend a private school that can refuse to accept students.

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 08:15 PM | Reply

When did you stop insulting liberals?

I insult the liberal ideology because it's stupid. I usually try not to insult individuals. I like debate. I've even changed my mind on here before with some things, like single payer and tariffs.

#153 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 08:16 PM | Reply

It's absolutely a privilege to attend a private school that can refuse to accept students.

Nope. Not when you earned it. If you just walk in off the street cold, then maybe.

#154 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 08:17 PM | Reply

Rights are things you don't have to earn, Boaz!

Since private school isn't a right, that makes it a privilege.

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 08:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"I insult the liberal ideology because it's stupid." - #153 | Posted by pfc. boazotoes© (h/t to ichiro) at 2018-09-06 08:16 PM

No.

You insult the absurd caricature you've been told is liberal ideology.

Meanwhile, you willingly accept and defend the liberal ideology of veterans' benefits.

#156 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-06 08:21 PM | Reply

"Not when you earned it."

Yeah, about that.
Kids don't earn it.
Their parents simply pay to extend the privilege of a private school education to their kids.

#157 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 08:25 PM | Reply

"Penis size." - #151 | Posted by pfc. boazotoes© (h/t to ichiro) at 2018-09-06 08:15 PM

In literary circles that's known as a short story.

In culinary circles that's known as a pinch.

Gun aficionados would call that a snub nose.

#158 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-06 08:25 PM | Reply

It sucks to be black, compared to being white, by just about any measure of success you can think of?
Penis size.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 08:15 PM | REPLY

That's a Gift from the Phallic Gods. There's no suckcess to it.

#159 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-06 08:25 PM | Reply

"Penis size." - Posted by boaz at 2018-09-06 08:15 PM | Reply | Flagged funny by nazifidian

Hummingbirds of a feather flock together.

#160 | Posted by Hans at 2018-09-06 08:28 PM | Reply

It's absolutely a privilege to attend a private school that can refuse to accept students.

Nope. Not when you earned it. If you just walk in off the street cold, then maybe.

#154 | Posted by boaz

How did you EARN it? By wisely choosing to be born to a family that can afford it?

Everyone should just do that I guess.

#161 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-06 09:59 PM | Reply

Most private schools are for upper crust snooty people. Give me a public school any day.

#162 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-09-06 10:12 PM | Reply

Pre K - 8 my kids went to public schools.

My oldest graduated from a private High School this past spring and my youngest just started his freshman year in the same private high school.

My oldest thrived in high school and I expect the same will be the case for my youngest. It's a great school.

#163 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-09-06 10:18 PM | Reply

"My oldest graduated from a private High School this past spring and my youngest just started his freshman year in the same private high school."

Goddam racist.

#164 | Posted by eberly at 2018-09-06 10:32 PM | Reply

Private schools teach the Classics, Latin, and Greek. At the time it doesn't seem worthwhile, but having an excellent background in Latin and Ancient Greek will expand your vocabulary by a factor of four. For instance, if someone were to call you a phocine beast, you'd know that it first came from Ancient Greek as phōkē (a seal) and then into Latin as Phocinae. So when Nabokov refers to Lolita's mother as a phocine mama, you'll understand he's describing a sleek, fat middle-aged woman.

"The poor lady was in her middle thirties, she had a shiny forehead, plucked eyebrows and quite simple..." (Nabokov, pg. 37). He also describes her as Lolita's "Phocine mamma" (Nabokov pg. 42)

Reference:

1. Nabokov, Vladimir. Lolita, Olympia Press, 1955, pp 336.

#165 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-09-06 10:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"My oldest thrived in high school and I expect the same will be the case for my youngest. It's a great school."

Good for you, and good for your kids. I know it's a sacrifice for parents, and I applaud you.

#166 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-09-06 10:38 PM | Reply

--1. Nabokov, Vladimir. Lolita, Olympia Press, 1955, pp 336.

A Russian native who wrote some of the greatest English prose ever.

#167 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-09-06 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Since private school isn't a right, that makes it a privilege.
#155 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Since buying a twinky isn't a right, that makes it a privilege....

I'm using Snoofy logic.... How did I do?

#168 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-06 11:04 PM | Reply

You're doing "par for the course" on intellectual lightweights comprehending what privilege entails.

Actually, you might be doing a little worse than that. You spelled "Twinkie" wrong. Who doesn't know how to spell Twinkie? You're probably a fake Russian account.

#169 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 11:25 PM | Reply

#106 | POSTED BY BOAZ
I agree with a lot of what you've written in this post. No all of it. But definitely a lot of it.

#131 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK
A wormhole in the fabric of space time is going to open up now. The God Jehovah is definitely coming back soon.

#141 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-09-06 07:52 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Nah. I knew he would.

#170 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-09-06 11:30 PM | Reply

Did anyone even read the article? Weird.

#171 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-09-06 11:32 PM | Reply

I understand the idea of wanting to send your kids to a better school.
But not everyone can afford to make their problems go away by throwing money at them.
Those people aren't helped by private schools, but rather, they're harmed when parents divest from the public education system.
Arguably, they are the people most in need of a better education, if the goal of education is to break the cycle of poverty.

It's kind of like how Obamacare works. When everyone buys in, it lowers everyone's costs. This is a concept called "economy of scale" which is probably as close as economics gets to a law, meaning something that's always true.

Private schools are our society's perpetuation of "Separate But Equal." The segregation that used to happen explicitly along color lines is now just done along poverty lines.

Trump was elected by white people who don't like being on the formerly black side of the line.

#172 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 11:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#169 Off brand from the dollar store....

#173 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-06 11:40 PM | Reply

The Privilege of School Choice
When given the chance, will wealthy parents ever choose to desegregate schools?
www.theatlantic.com

#174 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-06 11:40 PM | Reply

You know, disadvantages like a household worth $6,314 instead of $110,500.

Snoofy,
Where are you getting those numbers? I'm not asking for a link, just curious as to where you got the numbers.

#129 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

He pulled them out of his A hole..... Jeff.... Hence the no answer...

Here are the real numbers.....

www.google.com

#175 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-07 05:58 AM | Reply

I've watched you post a number of ignorant things in recent days Pinky... but your last vomit takes the cake. For someone so accusatory perhaps you should learn how to read before you prove yourself a dolt. The topic was WEALTH, not income, and any cursory understanding of the topic indeed shows that Snoofy was too optimistic and that thanks to more recent trends the wealth of black households is decreasing even further than Snoofy indicated!

Between 1983 and 2013, the wealth of median Black and Latino households decreased by 75% (from $6,800 to $1,700) and 50% (from $4,000 to $2,000), respectively, while median White household wealth rose by 14% (from $102,200 to $116,800). If current trends continue, by 2020 median Black and Latino households stand to lose nearly 18% and 12%, respectively, of the wealth they held in 2013. In that same timeframe, median White household wealth would see an increase of 3%. Put differently, in just under four years from now, median White households are projected to own 86 and 68 times more wealth than Black and Latino households, respectively.

These trends over time show the power of compound interest, whether positive or negative. Should the trends continue as they are, in absence of anything to reduce their power or even increase it, Black and Latino households will have nothing other than current income to call their own.

A number of practices contribute to and support these trends. One is the tax code. Many popular practices, like deductions for mortgage interest and lower taxes on capital gains, benefit Whites far more than Blacks and Latinos.

Another has been allowing predatory practices, like usurious interest rates by payday loan companies that make it difficult to impossible for people to get ahead. Again, these practices, focusing on the poor, have an outsized impact on Blacks and Latinos. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has begun to address these issues, but many want to kill off the agency.

Without programs specifically targeting people who don't have wealth and need to build it, the country could become even more polarized by wealth inequality. Aside from its obvious inherent issues, such a direction could undermine the economy. If the median wealth of a majority of Americans is zero, there will be little to drive the economy as a whole, and that is a bad prospect for everyone.

www.forbes.com

This is why Boaz continues to bleat out of his behind, spewing cliches and bromides far divorced from the reality of the systemic barriers faced by POC as they face tremendous obstacles in being able to accumulate wealth even as many are able to increase their incomes. There are earned privileges and unearned privileges, something Boaz does not understand. Having the means to afford something that others without means cannot is indeed a privilege, albeit an earned one. But having someone else provide you with the financial means to access something a person otherwise would not be able to by themselves is indeed an unearned privilege for the person so defined receiving it.

#176 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-07 07:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For a better understanding of how this disparity came to be:

How did this happen?

The term "systemic racism" ruffles a lot of feathers. It often triggers emotional arguments about how people feel about racism and its effects. Yet concrete data over long periods of time shows very clearly that systemic racism exists.

Blacks were historically prevented from building wealth by slavery and Jim Crow Laws (laws that enforced segregation in the south until the Civil Rights act of 1964). Government policies including The Homestead Act, The Chinese Exclusion Act and even the Social Security Act, were often designed to exclude people of color.

For example, in the 1930s, as part of the New Deal, the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) created loan programs to help make home ownership accessible to more Americans. The Government created color-coded maps -- green for good neighborhoods and red for bad neighborhoods -- to determine who got those loans. Spoiler alert: many neighborhoods were designated as red because blacks and other people of color lived in them. This process, known as redlining, systematically prevented them from not only getting home loans but also encouraged developers in green areas to explicitly discriminate against non-whites. This often led households of color into wealth stripping "land contracts," where they paid exorbitant prices for homes that they could lose very easily.

These polices resulted in 98% of home loans going to white families, from 1934 to 1962. Not only did the ability to purchase homes give whites the ability to accrue wealth, it also attracted new businesses to those neighborhoods, which increased property values and allowed those homeowners access to other wealth building vehicles like going to college. As a result, wealth in the white communities compounded and passed to future generations.

Even after these policies were eliminated, the lack of wealth still prevented minorities from moving up to the green neighborhoods and kept the communities separated by race. Additionally, certain structures like a racially skewed criminal justice system and the tax code favoring the rich continue to contribute to this divide. The compounding effects of these types of laws have led to the wealth chasm that now exists. Even now, these effects are felt between otherwise similar families of different races. According to the Economic Policy Institute, the typical black family with a graduate or professional degree lagged its white counterpart in wealth by more than $200,000.

www.forbes.com

I don't know how anyone can talk intelligently about the intersection of wealth and race without understanding how the history of bias factors helped create today's status quo along with the fact that any singular individual's personal exception to the rule only reveals as a counterbalance that many others live in the negative since the median shows a net zero.

#177 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-07 07:11 AM | Reply

@#99 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-09-06 05:27 PM

Is it the racism chip that sends more black Americans to prison?
No more than it is sexism that sends more men to prison.

Is it the racism chip that gives black Americans harsher sentences for crimes than white Americans?
No more than it is sexism that gives harsher sentences to men.

Is it the racism chip that excludes black Americans from being hired for jobs they're eligible for?
Do you have any evidence that someone is excluded based on their race? Because if so, our country has taken the stance that what you are describing is specifically illegal and morally unacceptable. The full weight of our justice system will be happy to crush any such activity, and our societal groups will also work diligently to destroy that business financially. Hardly the actions of a racist country.

Is it the racism chip that depicts black Americans as receiving more government welfare than white Americans?
What are you looking at that is depicting that? Is it your media choices that a racist?

#178 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-09-07 08:06 AM | Reply

I don't know how anyone can talk intelligently

Your point of view isnt the only "intelligent" way to talk.

It's kind of like how Obamacare works. When everyone buys in, it lowers everyone's costs.

Problem is, there isnt enough people "buying in". Eventually, those supporting the burden want to go take care of their own.

#179 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-07 08:55 AM | Reply

Your point of view isnt the only "intelligent" way to talk.

If you would stop editing my sentences, my words did not convey that. That is your interpretation, not mine. The term "intelligent" referred to having actual facts and historical data as the foundation of the discussion, not cliches and anecdotes.

#180 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-07 09:00 AM | Reply

The topic was WEALTH, not income...

I missed were he said wealth...

Thanks for the correction Tony...

#181 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-07 09:02 AM | Reply

#181

No problem, and I apologize for my bombastic retorts.

#182 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-07 09:03 AM | Reply

#182 accepted. And at least you come with facts when you do ;)

#183 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-09-07 09:16 AM | Reply

What gets me is that the only explanation given by the right for the lower wealth, income, education, and achievement of black people boils down to, in one way or another, blacks are just inferior to white people. Whether it's "thug culture" or "unwed mothers" or "absent fathers", it's black folks' fault they aren't doing better. They don't want that to be called racism, but what else is it?

Sorry our folks have a 400-year head-start on you black folks, but "that's not my fault", so go pound sand.

#184 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-09-07 09:28 AM | Reply

There's privilege, there's earned success and there's dumb luck. Don't confuse the latter with the other two. Having parents who can afford to send you to a private school is dumb luck, just like being first born in medium sized working poor family making you more eligible for financial aid is dumb luck.

#185 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-09-07 09:47 AM | Reply

Th(e) process, known as redlining, systematically prevented them from not only getting home loans but also encouraged developers in green areas to explicitly discriminate against non-whites. This often led households of color into wealth stripping "land contracts," where they paid exorbitant prices for homes that they could lose very easily.

These polices resulted in 98% of home loans going to white families, from 1934 to 1962. Not only did the ability to purchase homes give whites the ability to accrue wealth, it also attracted new businesses to those neighborhoods, which increased property values and allowed those homeowners access to other wealth building vehicles like going to college. As a result, wealth in the white communities compounded and passed to future generations.

Even after these policies were eliminated, the lack of wealth still prevented minorities from moving up to the green neighborhoods and kept the communities separated by race. Additionally, certain structures like a racially skewed criminal justice system and the tax code favoring the rich continue to contribute to this divide. The compounding effects of these types of laws have led to the wealth chasm that now exists. Even now, these effects are felt between otherwise similar families of different races. According to the Economic Policy Institute, the typical black family with a graduate or professional degree lagged its white counterpart in wealth by more than $200,000.

These facts are one of the reasons why I chafe so deeply when the word racism/racist are bandied about bereft of proper context. While interpersonal discriminatory practices have subsided from years past, the vestiges of systemic racism continues to ------ the progress of POCs in ways that don't affect the average white person or family. Just working hard and saving or investing for the future sounds unbiased on its face, there are impediments faced by poorer people and particularly POCs which make the task far more difficult if not impossible for millions. The major asset of middle class American families has been the appreciation of their homes and the inability of POC families to even purchase homes through government-assisted finance continues to be an outsized factor in the lack of wealth within POC communities even as average incomes may have increased.

#186 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-09-07 09:58 AM | Reply

" I am not sure if i would call it a privilege since we sacrifice to do it. "

YOU sacrifice.. not your kids.

YOU are successful enough to pay for their private schools

THEY are privileged to have successful parents.

#187 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-09-07 10:10 AM | Reply

--1. Nabokov, Vladimir. Lolita, Olympia Press, 1955, pp 336.

A Russian native who wrote some of the greatest English prose ever.

#167 | Posted by nullifidian

And the evidence continues to build...

#188 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-07 11:57 AM | Reply

And the evidence continues to build...
#188 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

...of your, and others here, partisan hysterics.

#189 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-07 12:03 PM | Reply

...of your, and others here, partisan hysterics.

#189 | Posted by SheepleSchism

From sanders supporter to trump defender in under 2 years. Pretty impressive. Seek mental help.

#190 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-09-07 12:25 PM | Reply

I'm self educated. I went to public school.

#191 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2018-09-07 12:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"There's privilege, there's earned success and there's dumb luck."

Even if that's the case, Boaz is calling it earned success when he buys things and turns around and hands then out to his kids. Which is properly called privilege, from the kid perspective. No different than if you buy your kid a car for graduation, except it's a wiser investment, since the kid's just gonna crash the car anyway.

#192 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-09-07 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Which is properly called privilege, from the kid perspective."

precisely .

#193 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-09-07 02:55 PM | Reply

Sorry guys, it's not privilege.

#194 | Posted by boaz at 2018-09-08 03:09 PM | Reply

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