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Thursday, August 30, 2018

Canada will restart official talks with the United States on Tuesday in the hope that an updated version of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) will be signed off in the coming days. Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland is in Washington to continue negotiations, following the news that Mexico and the U.S. have already reached an agreement that rewrites the trilateral trade pact, first ratified in 1994.

Maryscott Greenwood, CEO of the Canadian American Business Council (CABC), told CNBC on Tuesday that she thought Canada would join the arrangement and could even finalize a new NAFTA deal this week. "There is only a handful of tough issues left. Mexico is already there. I think we can get there this week, I really do." "Canada realizes that the U.S. gets kind of attention-deficit on these things and if we don't do a deal now, maybe the U.S. turns its attention to China or the WTO (World Trade Organization) or to other deals," she added.

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Wait, what? This wasn't what we were told to believe would happen by HuffMediaDailyThinkTalkingAlterPoMattersProgressPointsMemoNet.

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#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-30 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh crap. Trump is doing what I promised to do, but didn't.

--Obama

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#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-30 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You boys know the terms?

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-08-30 02:01 PM | Reply

Well if it is as generous to Canada as the Mexico deal was to Mexico, I am betting they will jump right on board.

Dolt45 screwed the pooch when he entered into a trade war with our neighbors and now is giving away the store to save face and give himself an opportunity for a press conference to say how great he is.

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2018-08-30 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3 Trump doesn't even know the terms.

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2018-08-30 02:05 PM | Reply

"You boys know the terms?"

Nope

none of this has even been put to paper for anyone to sign

hence rightoes need to blow his fart bugle before it all goes to ----

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-08-30 02:09 PM | Reply

"This wasn't what we were told to believe would happen"

Citation needed.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-30 02:18 PM | Reply

Well if it is as generous to Canada as the Mexico deal was to Mexico, I am betting they will jump right on board.
Dolt45 screwed the pooch when he entered into a trade war with our neighbors and now is giving away the store to save face and give himself an opportunity for a press conference to say how great he is.

Exhibit A in drinking the HuffMediaDailyThinkTalkingAlterPoMattersProgressPointsMemoNet Kool-Aid.

Most reputable newswires, trade and foreign policy journals are calling the mostly completed US/Mexico agreement as a partial victory for the US, and if Canada folds, as expected, like Mexico did on the Auto, drug, copyright and Chapter 19 anti-dumping provisions then it will be a full victory for the US.

Canada rejoins NAFTA talks as U.S. autos tariff details emerge

Trump's Deal With Mexico: A New NAFTA?

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-30 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"partial victory for the US"

Does that make the other part a partial loss?

I notice you aren't bothering to say if it's a net win or net loss.

That suggests it's not a net win, or youd be crowing about that.

But it's funny to hear you crow about a partial win.

Carry on.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-30 02:29 PM | Reply

Partial victory implies a net win.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-08-30 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7

LOL, why do you persist in making it so simple to expose your ignorance:

The NAFTA renegotiations -- long promised by President Trump -- are about to start. We have never renegotiated a trade agreement before, and this is our largest and most important by far.

There are reasons to be deeply worried about the outcome. Trump's history on trade and the administration's declared priorities in reworking the North American Free Trade Agreement create a bleak backdrop for the Aug. 16 launch of renegotiation talks.

If the administration surprises and the talks go well, we would wind up with a modernized NAFTA well-suited to the 21st century. But if the talks fall apart, then our relations with our closest neighbors would be shattered, supply lines across our continent sundered, and our borders north and south thickened. North America would enter a new era riven with trade barriers, tariffs and mutual suspicion.

And the winner in all this would be China, no longer competing against a unified and efficient North American manufacturing platform and a gigantic internal market. So just as when Trump pulled us out of the TPP and the Paris climate change accord, the global benefactor may well be the very country against whom Trump directed so much of his campaign rhetoric.

Trump wants to put America First. Instead, he may be helping ensure a China Next.

And that is just the circle flapping from WashPo, you can do your own digging on the lefty fringe.

We should be deeply worried about NAFTA

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-30 02:33 PM | Reply

--then it will be a full victory for the US.

"All I got was a lousy t-shirt"

--Obama

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-30 02:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#9

Don't worry, I will shove this post back at you once Canada crumples like a Dixie Cup.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-30 02:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is funny stuff RoC.

I hope Trump or Putin is paying you for you time.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-08-30 03:43 PM | Reply

#14

He has a retainer from Trump. Much like Stormy did. And we know how that turned out.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2018-08-30 03:50 PM | Reply

Exhibit A in drinking the HuffMediaDailyThinkTalkingAlterPoMattersProgressPointsMemoNet Kool-Aid.
Most reputable newswires, trade and foreign policy journals are calling the mostly completed US/Mexico agreement as a partial victory for the US, and if Canada folds, as expected, like Mexico did on the Auto, drug, copyright and Chapter 19 anti-dumping provisions then it will be a full victory for the US.
Canada rejoins NAFTA talks as U.S. autos tariff details emerge
Trump's Deal With Mexico: A New NAFTA?

#8 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

You do realize the article you posted literally makes fun of Trump for getting essentially nothing from Mexico out of this, right? We changed a few minor terms which don't benefit us much.

Useless.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-08-30 03:53 PM | Reply

#16

You mean these terms?:

Automotive executives and other sources also told Reuters on Tuesday that the bilateral U.S.-Mexico deal announced on Monday allows President Donald Trump to impose 25 percent tariffs on imports of Mexican-made passenger vehicles and auto parts above certain volumes.

If Trump proceeds with the tariffs now under consideration based on national security concerns, Mexican duty-free exports of cars and sport-utility vehicles to the United States would be capped at 2.4 million vehicles annually. Volumes above that level would be subject to tariffs, auto industry officials and other sources said.

One of the main sticking points for Canada in the revised deal is the U.S. effort to dump the Chapter 19 dispute resolution mechanism that hinders the United States from pursuing anti-dumping and anti-subsidy cases. Lighthizer said on Monday that Mexico had agreed to eliminate the mechanism.

Other hurdles include intellectual property rights, such as the U.S.-Mexico 10-year data exclusivity for biologic drug makers and extensions of copyright protections to 75 years from 50, all higher thresholds than Canada has previously supported.

Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said that Mexico's "difficult" concessions to the United States on Monday would pave the way for productive talks this week as all three countries race toward a Friday deadline for a deal to modernize the 24-year-old North American Free Trade Agreement.

After being sidelined from the talks for more than two months, Freeland will be under pressure to accept terms the United States and Mexico worked out on a trade deal announced on Monday.

So, we got a cap on imports, a higher US parts %, the ability to bring anti-dumping and anti-subsidy claims against Mexico, 10 year exclusivity for drug patents, 75 years on copyright protection and increased access for labor unions in Mexico for companies that import goods into the US.

Pretty much everything on our wish list and much more than "Useless."

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-30 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Syco, I get that you hate Trump, but try to smile once and a while when something good happens, it's not the end of the world.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-30 04:11 PM | Reply

"Partial victory implies a net win."

Hillary supporters can at least claim a partial victory; she got the most votes for President ever.

Net win?

No, you're just being your usual toadying self, carrying water for a man you despised until Jan 20, 2017.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-30 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So when is the "end of the week" in trumplandia

#20 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-08-31 12:18 PM | Reply

Uh oh,

www.rawstory.com

Trade talks with Canada collapsed on Friday after insulting off-the-record comments President Donald Trump made to a Bloomberg reporter were leaked, reports the Toronto Star.

According to the report, Trump wanted some of his comments during a Bloomberg interview to be "off the record," and admitted that he is not making any compromises at all in the talks with Canada -- but won't say so in public because "it's going to be so insulting they're not going to be able to make a deal."

"Here's the problem. If I say no -- the answer's no. If I say no, then you're going to put that, and it's going to be so insulting they're not going to be able to make a deal ... I can't kill these people," he said about the Canadian officials.

Trump added, that he was "scaring the Canadians into submission by repeatedly threatening to impose tariffs."

"Off the record, Canada's working their ass off. And every time we have a problem with a point, I just put up a picture of a Chevrolet Impala," Trump said, according to the source.

The report notes that the Impala is produced at the General Motors plant in Oshawa, Ontario.

#21 | Posted by 726 at 2018-08-31 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21

So you are hoping that the deal with Canada falls through? Got it.

BTW, he is an idiot for trusting reporters to keep something off the record but he wasn't lying...it has been abundantly clear, if you read the WSJ/CNBC/Bloomberg/FT etc., that the US wasn't going to budge after reaching the Mexico deal. His biggest mistake was trusting the reporters at Bloomberg not to lead this to the Toronto Star.

As was pointed out in the Reuters article that I linked:

"Trump warned on Monday he could proceed with a deal with Mexico alone and levy tariffs on Canada if it does not come on board with the revised trade terms.

Dan Ujczo, a Columbus, Ohio-based trade lawyer who focuses on U.S.-Canada issues, said it would be hard for Freeland to win [any] concessions from Lighthizer on the [contested] issues.

"I think he's going to sit there with his arms folded a lot," Ujczo added."

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-31 01:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

lead=leak

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-31 01:55 PM | Reply

"So you are hoping that the deal with Canada falls through? Got it. "

we already had a deal, fool

a deal with all of north Americas players, not just part of it

#24 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-08-31 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From the NYT 2 hours ago:

Talks between the United States and Canada remain deadlocked over several contentious issues, including Canada's dairy sector, its rules governing movies, books and other media, and a mechanism for settling trade disputes between the two countries, people briefed on the talks said.

On Friday morning, the United States trade representative put out a statement saying that Canada had yet to make any concessions on dairy products, which has become a source of ire for Mr. Trump.

"The negotiations between the United States and Canada are ongoing," a spokeswoman for the United States trade representative said in a statement. "There have been no concessions by Canada on agriculture."

Arriving for a meeting with Mr. Lighthizer on Friday morning, Ms. Freeland said that she was looking forward to hearing what he had to say after a night of reflection. But after a meeting that lasted more than an hour, it appeared that the two sides were no closer to a deal.

"We are not there yet," Ms. Freeland told reporters outside of the office of the United States Trade Representative. "Canada is a country that is good at finding win-win compromises -- having said that, in trade negotiations, in this negotiation, we always stand up for the national interest and that is what we're going to continue to do."

Negotiators have been working around the clock to hammer out their final areas of disagreement but talks have bogged down over several areas of disagreement.

Canada has insisted on protections for its publishing and broadcasting industries over concerns that these businesses would be overwhelmed by the much larger United States market. It has also resisted Mr. Trump's requests to reform its dairy industry. Unlike the United States, which directly subsidizes farmers, Canada uses a so-called supply management system to regulate the volume of imports and keep prices stable for its farmers.

Canada has allowed foreign countries more access to its dairy market in past trade agreements, and agricultural experts said negotiators were prepared to make similar offers in the current Nafta negotiations. However, those offers have fallen short of the broad access and substantial reforms the Trump administration has called for.

The countries are also sparring over a provision of Nafta known as Chapter 19, which allows foreign countries to appeal the duties that the United States levies on them for dumping and unfair subsidies. U.S. officials confirmed that they had eliminated the provision in their agreement with Mexico, but Canadians have insisted it is necessary to protect industries including lumber from unfair rulings in the United States.

Canada, like Mexico, has also been working to find a way to get the United States to lift the tariffs that it imposed on steel and aluminum.


#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-31 02:27 PM | Reply

"From the NYT 2 hours ago"

so there is no deal then. not even an imaginary one like the one you keep touting with mexico

#26 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-08-31 02:39 PM | Reply

#8 and if Canada folds, as expected

Seems like they didn't fold as quickly as you thought.
RIGHTOCENTER clueless as usual.

#27 | Posted by eightfifteenpm at 2018-08-31 04:07 PM | Reply

#27

Looks like someone has never been involved in complex negotiations...folding quickly, in this context, is in less than two weeks. These negotiations resumed on Tuesday, so they have only been at it for 3 1/2 days.

Patience, grasshopper.

#28 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-31 06:09 PM | Reply

From CNBC 30 minutes ago:

Trade talks between the United States and Canada will kick off again Wednesday after the two sides ended Friday's tense negotiations without a deal.

President Donald Trump on Friday notified Congress that he wants to sign a trade agreement with Mexico, and potentially Canada in 90 days, the period legally required to review a deal, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said in a statement. The neighbors emerged from talks Friday, the White House's deadline for Canada to join in on a deal the U.S. struck with Mexico earlier in the week, without resolving sticking points.

"The talks were constructive, and we made progress. Our officials are continuing to work toward agreement," Lighthizer said.

If Canada didn't walk away after Donnie Lil Hands ill advised "off the record" comments today, they aren't going to walk away.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-31 06:14 PM | Reply

I am guessing Canada will play nice and punt to the Senate.
If they don't sign, trump's deal dies.

#30 | Posted by bored at 2018-08-31 07:41 PM | Reply

#30

Could happen, it takes 90 days from today regardless of whether Canada agrees (he submitted the Mexico deal today) but if/when Canada agrees in the next week or so, it should be a done deal all around, given the rhetoric that both sides of the aisle were throwing around when Trump announced he was going to renegotiate.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-31 08:27 PM | Reply

Week over. No deal.

#32 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-08-31 11:44 PM | Reply

I didn't write the headline Redial...it came with the article.

Are you a Canuck by any chance?

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-09-01 12:54 AM | Reply

Wow, I hope they don't monkey this up.

#34 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-09-01 07:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#32
Now you're backpedaling, even though you chose to post that article with that headline.

#35 | Posted by eightfifteenpm at 2018-09-01 10:23 AM | Reply

I have little doubt Trump is screaming for a deal that he can sign. I also have little doubt that Trump has any idea what the terms of the deal will be. Trump will never read it. He'll just sign it, say it's great for everyone, call it a win, and move on.

#36 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-09-01 02:58 PM | Reply

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