Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, August 11, 2018

A BBC team flew over the disputed South China Sea islands in a US military plane. Notice 2 things ... the islands are now a lot bigger. And the warning tone is getting aggressive.

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I miss Dubya! You could count on him to go out there and do something stupid.

DOTARD talks a lot but doesn't do much of anything except try and fatten his own arse.

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-11 04:09 AM | Reply

Pee tapes and asbestos.... see how far that gets Amreeka....

#2 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-11 04:10 AM | Reply

I think China is a paper Tiger. I think we should engage them militarily and they will fold like cheap Chinese goods.

Sort of like Pakistan.

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-11 11:42 AM | Reply

I think we should engage them militarily and they will fold

Like you engaged the taliban.... for ... how long has it been.... 18 years?

hahahahahahahaha... yeah. Go for it.

Sort of like Pakistan.

First, the US needs to kill away the taliban. (it has not been able to)
Second, the US needs to frak up Iran. (very doubtful, considering point number one)
And only THEN, can it "engage" Pakistan.

Wake me up, when you do. LOL

#4 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-11 12:06 PM | Reply

This is one of those "be careful what you wish for" scenarios...US military strategy is focused on maintaining force effectiveness (minimizing casualties), contrast that to China where force effectiveness losses of up to 70% are acceptable.

We could crush their units but as our losses inevitably mounted the calls from the Left to cease fire would be deafening, while China keeps pouring units into the fray with impunity.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 12:14 PM | Reply

"the calls from the Left to cease fire would be deafening"

Because only those on the left care about dead soldiers?

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-08-11 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Once again Rightoboutnothing likes up to its moniker.

#7 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-08-11 12:28 PM | Reply

I think China is a paper Tiger. I think we should engage them militarily and they will fold like cheap Chinese goods.
Sort of like Pakistan.

#3 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-11 11:42 AM | FLAG:

Only a fool would say that.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-11 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Only a fool would say that.

Or a freemason who believes in unicorns and fairies.

#9 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-11 12:39 PM | Reply

"I think we should engage them militarily"

I'm pretty sure you can just go ahead and marry them militarily, Boaz.
I think that's legal now.
Thanks Obama.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-11 02:26 PM | Reply

"I think China is a paper Tiger. I think we should engage them militarily and they will fold like cheap Chinese goods.

Sort of like Pakistan."

Sounds like you think killing other people is a game.

#11 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2018-08-11 02:31 PM | Reply

Any idea what type of plane this is?

#12 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-08-11 03:16 PM | Reply

Once again Rightoboutnothing likes up to its moniker.

#7 | POSTED BY E1G1 AT 2018-08-11 12:28 PM

Then tell me where I am wrong, Clausewitz.

I'll wait...

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 03:23 PM | Reply

We could crush their units but as our losses inevitably mounted the calls from the Left to cease fire would be deafening, while China keeps pouring units into the fray with impunity.

#5 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-11 12:14 PM | REPLY

Yeah, those awful leftists and their lingering respect for human life. Shame on them! /snark

#14 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-11 03:46 PM | Reply

#14

So you are confirming I am right...thanks, I guess.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 03:52 PM | Reply

Sounds like you think killing other people is a game.

#11 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW AT 2018-08-11 02:31 PM

"As George Orwell pointed out, people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

-Richard Grenier

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 04:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

In that case, I bet Putin sleeps better than Trump.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-11 04:59 PM | Reply

#12 Gotta be a S-3 Viking.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-11 05:03 PM | Reply

Any idea what type of plane this is?

Watch the video you ignorant bum.

The Chinese guy on the radio calls them "PAPA 8 ALPHA".

That makes it a P-8 which is a militarized Boeing 737.

#19 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-11 05:18 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

The Boeing P-8 Poseidon (formerly the Multimission Maritime Aircraft or MMA) is a military aircraft developed for the United States Navy (USN). The aircraft has been developed by Boeing Defense, Space & Security, modified from the 737-800ERX. The P-8 conducts anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASUW), and shipping interdiction, along with an early warning self-protection (EWSP) ability, otherwise known as electronic support measures (ESM). This involves carrying torpedoes, depth charges, Harpoon anti-ship missiles, and other weapons. It is able to drop and monitor sonobuoys. It is designed to operate in conjunction with the Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton Broad Area Maritime Surveillance unmanned aerial vehicle.

Dung Beetle....

#20 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-11 05:21 PM | Reply

Maybe the military/"air national guard" is different in texistan, but I wouldn't think that journalists would be cleared to go into a plane with surveillance or reconnaissance equipment. Perhaps this was a media/touring version of a P-8

#21 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-08-11 06:40 PM | Reply

Then tell me where I am wrong, Clausewitz.

*crickets*

As usual.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 07:32 PM | Reply

"but I wouldn't think that journalists would be cleared to go into a plane with surveillance or reconnaissance equipment."

GoNoles, knowing about secret stuff again.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-11 07:45 PM | Reply

So you are confirming I am right...thanks, I guess.

#15 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-11 03:52 PM | FLAG:

No problem. I am also confirming that you are complaining about something that is actually a good thing... like a good rightist. Consider it a bonus.

#24 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-11 08:31 PM | Reply

"As George Orwell pointed out, people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
-Richard Grenier

#16 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-11 04:33 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Which responds not at all to your trivialization of killing (something even your beloved Orwell would frown upon).

#25 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-11 08:34 PM | Reply

Ok, Rightoboutnothing.
We have ships in the South China Sea, but they have proximity to their homeland. Ultimately, we would not have a chance in the short-term to repel them. Also, "the left" is focused on health care, education, and justice. That doesn't mean "the left" doesn't care passionately about military conflict in defense of our country and its allies. Your dog whistle stereotyping "the left" as pacifists is as predictable as your daily baying in support of Trump.

You're just Wisgod with a newer moniker, and you're damn boring in your predictable shilling.

#26 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-08-11 08:52 PM | Reply

LOL-

Take a look at a military base map around the East China Sea, we ring the area with AF, USN and Marine bases in South Korea, Japan, Okinawa and long range bombers from Diego Garcia that can be on station within hours. Add to that several carrier groups and we could respond to almost anything. Here's a hint: Where do you think that aircraft that the BBC reporter came from?

I never said the Left didn't care about the military, but even Boydirk concedes that once casualty counts started rising, the Left would demand an end to the hostilities.

As for my "daily baying in support of Trump", please find a post or two where I have supported Donnie Little Hands.

You're just Wisgod with a newer moniker

You certainly don't know how to count...

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 09:06 PM | Reply

"As George Orwell pointed out, people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

-Richard Grenier

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter

I don't know what is more amusing: you quoting Grenier, or his mis-attribution of the supposed quote.

#28 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2018-08-11 09:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Which responds not at all to your trivialization of killing (something even your beloved Orwell would frown upon).

Nothing trivial about it or my #5 or 15.

No nation on earth can project power like the US can and does, and that lets most of the free world sleep better at night.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 09:11 PM | Reply

and that lets most of the free world sleep better at night.

#29 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-11 09:11 PM | FLAG:

Not really.

#30 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-11 09:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#28

Actually, my quote of Grenier was exactly correct, he didn't use quotations in his statement so he was also correct in his summation of what Orwell meant. There are two quotes that Grenier was referring to, one Orwell quote was "Those who 'abjure' violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf" (Notes on Nationalism, 1945) and the other was Orwell, regarding Kipling's statement in Tommy criticizing those "making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep", observes that Kipling's "grasp of function, of who protects whom, is very sound. He sees clearly that men can be highly civilized only while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them."

You're welcome.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 09:20 PM | Reply

"No nation on earth can project power like the US can and does, and that lets most of the free world sleep better at night."

I'm in no position to know for sure but I trust that our defense budget is justified in the eyes of many of our allies because it generates a certain level of stability not otherwise possible.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2018-08-11 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

George Orwell on pacifists:

"PACIFIST: Those who ‘abjure' violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf."

#33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-11 09:25 PM | Reply

#33 yeah ROC just said that in #31

But thanks for your contribution.

#34 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-08-11 09:34 PM | Reply

Rightocenter,

I have to admit, the co-opting of Orwell by folks you seem to admire is clever. I am dubious that Orwell would stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you and your like-minded brethren.

Moreover, I have zero doubt Orwell would find the aggressor policy Boaz is espousing to be morally bankrupt.

But then again, we have always been at war with Eastasia, eh?

#35 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2018-08-11 09:36 PM | Reply

"George Orwell on pacifists" - #33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-11 09:25 PM

For some reason you forgot to mention the fact that Orwell was talking about a type of nationalist

"Notes on Nationalism" (1945)
Oops.

#36 | Posted by Hans at 2018-08-11 09:37 PM | Reply

"As George Orwell pointed out, people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

So, you supported Orwell's side in the Spanish Civil War then?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-11 09:45 PM | Reply

#37

Nice strawman, go away.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 09:59 PM | Reply

I have to admit, the co-opting of Orwell by folks you seem to admire is clever. I am dubious that Orwell would stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you and your like-minded brethren.

You joined two weeks ago, so unless you are a sock puppet for some other DR Lefty, you have no clue what I am all about.

Be a good boy and learn a little about people before you make yourself look even more DRtarded.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 10:02 PM | Reply

Not really sure about the "oops" you are foisting on Nulli, Hans, that was straight out of your link.

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-11 10:12 PM | Reply

"Nice strawman, go away."

Straw man?

You're quoting Orwell like he's some kind of moral authority.

Orwell fought in the Spanish Civil War. What side did he fight for? Was it the morally superior one? LOL.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-11 11:10 PM | Reply

"I'm in no position to know for sure but I trust that our defense budget is justified in the eyes of many of our allies because it generates a certain level of stability not otherwise possible.
#32 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Even some Americans feel that way! Imagine that.

If you think it's worth it to preserve the hegemony, you probably voted for Clinton.
If you're ready to stand down and let Russia, China,or whoever come to the fore, you probably voted for Trump.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, you probably voted third party, or didn't vote at all.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-11 11:21 PM | Reply

--Orwell fought in the Spanish Civil War.

Yes he did, and wrote a great book about it, Homage to Catalonia, in which he documents the treachery of the communists. From that experience he went on to write his two great anti-communist novels, 1984 and Animal Farm

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-11 11:22 PM | Reply

"anti-communist"

LOL!

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-11 11:28 PM | Reply

You joined two weeks ago, so unless you are a sock puppet for some other DR Lefty, you have no clue what I am all about.

Be a good boy and learn a little about people before you make yourself look even more DRtarded.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter

Sorry I'm making you uncomfortable. But I ain't going away.

Back to the point: do you agree with Boaz we ought to make war on China over this?

#45 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2018-08-12 12:01 AM | Reply

again. #23 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Awe, my own basement dwelling anklebiter...

#46 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-08-12 10:32 AM | Reply

#42

That's funny, not too long ago, when I was discussing American Hegemony, you vehemently argued that we were an empire and that I was wrong.

I guess you finally learned what "hegemony" meant.

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 10:41 AM | Reply

Back to the point: do you agree with Boaz we ought to make war on China over this?

#45 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW AT 2018-08-12 12:01 AM

That wasn't my point, read and comprehend my #5.

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 10:42 AM | Reply

"anti-communist"
LOL!

#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-08-11 11:28 PM

The Ignorant is strong in you today, Orwell, while an avowed socialist, was a fervent anti-communist (there is a big difference), so much so that he authored a black list of communist writers and gave it to UK Foreign Office's IRD:

George Orwell Creates a Who's Who List of "Crypto" Communists for British Intelligence Forces (1949)

Guardian: ORWELL OFFERED WRITERS' BLACKLIST TO ANTI-SOVIET PROPAGANDA UNIT

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boaz doesn't remember or never understood that it was only when the Chinese Army flooded into North Korea that the USA cried Uncle and pulled out.

#50 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-08-12 12:31 PM | Reply

#60

A HUGE part of the reason that happened was that MacArthur's inner circle ignored intelligence that the Chinese had massed over 1M soldiers across the Yalu river and downplayed the possibility that the Chinese would enter the war. My father flew CAS for VMF 212 and my uncle (my dad's future brother in law) was 0203 for the 1st Mar. Div. under Smith and experienced it firsthand, and this intelligence failure is very well documented. This failure led directly to the formation of the NSA and forced coordination with the Joint Chiefs of Staff under the premise that they would stop the infighting between the different service branches and the fledgling CIA (formed from the remnants of the OSS after Truman disastrously disbanded it under pressure from certain members of the "informal" JCS after WWII).

This goes to my point in 5, namely that Chinese military doctrine hasn't changed, they are fine with 70% losses to achieve an objective: Our equipment and forces are still far superior to anything that the PLA can throw at us, but their sheer numbers means that we can never win a war of attrition before the outcry here in the States is overwhelming.

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 01:11 PM | Reply

that the USA cried Uncle and pulled out.

And once we stablized our supply lines and were able to mount counterattacks we pulverized the PVA 9th Army, which by some estimates had 60,000 to 100,000 casualties (as opposed to 10K for the ROK, USA, USMC and RM combined), which went from 60 divisions to 18 in 28 days. In contrast, the US X Corps mostly maintained its force effectiveness, while the PVA 9th was put out of action for almost one year.

The Chinese march across the Yalu and the subsequent Battle of Chosin Reservoir was mostly a draw, and once the US was able to consolidate to the 38th parallel the PVA advance was stopped, leading to the cease-fire.

#52 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 01:38 PM | Reply

"You joined two weeks ago, so unless you are a sock puppet for some other DR Lefty, you have no clue what I am all about."

It's not like you are complicated.

#53 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 02:16 PM | Reply

#49

You are undermining your own argument from (dubious) authority by pointing out that Orwell cooperated in blacklisting his peers.

#54 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 02:18 PM | Reply

"in which he documents the treachery of the communists."

Whatever helped him sleep at night after putting the world's most enduring fascist regime in power. No wonder you and the DR right quote him all the time: he set your own pattern of talking democracy while aiding fascism.

#55 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 02:21 PM | Reply

"The Chinese march across the Yalu and the subsequent Battle of Chosin Reservoir was mostly a draw"

Which is why the US bolted to the negotiating table faster than a whipped dog. Got it. I suppose Vietnam was a draw too.

#56 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 02:22 PM | Reply

What a surprise; Dirk parroting the anti-Orwell rhetoric of the Stalinists.

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-12 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#57

By pointing out the implications of the posts of Rightostupid and yourself? Too rich. You are just upset that you once again have been unmasked as a fascist coddling goon (as if any lingering doubt remained).

#58 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 02:32 PM | Reply

Which is why the UN bolted to the negotiating table

FTFY.

Why do you hate the US so much Comrade Boydirkovich?

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 02:35 PM | Reply

Oh sure. The UN acted in SPITE of the IS. Very believable. Let me know how advancing that propaganda errr "narrative" goes for you.

#60 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 02:36 PM | Reply

Why do you hate the US so much Comrade Boydirkovich?

#59 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-12 02:35 PM | FLAG:

Why do you love lies so much? And some conservative: your master Trump has told you to hate "losers." He won't be happy to find you aren't listening. He might even say that makes you a loser yourself.

#61 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 02:38 PM | Reply

US not IS, obviously

#62 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 02:39 PM | Reply

You are undermining your own argument from (dubious) authority

Just because the Guardian (and all other British papers) reported this in 1996 when the IRD file became declassified doesn't make it untrue.

it does, however, make your mancrush look like an idiot, so I get why you are upset.

#63 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 02:40 PM | Reply

I suppose Vietnam was a draw too.

Nope, LBJ and McNamara made sure we lost that one fair and square.

#64 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 02:42 PM | Reply

Boydirk gets so worked up whenever anyone dares criticize his beloved communism, it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 02:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Comrade Dirkovich is the kind of stalinist stooge who was claiming that Trotsky was a CIA agent before Stalin put an axe though Trotsky's head.

#66 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-12 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No wonder you and the DR right quote him all the time: he set your own pattern of talking democracy while aiding fascism.

Pathetically incorrect, Eric Arthur Blair was an Eton trained Socialist who joined the POUM, by his own admission, without having any prior acquaintance with Spain or ever reading a book in Spanish about the war or anything else. Orwell himself later acknowledged his mistake, stating he supported the POUM as a result of "my partisanship, my mistakes of fact, and the distortion inevitably caused by my having seen only one corner of events". It was through his association with the POUM that he became anti-Stalinist and fiercely anti-fascist.

Unlike you, Orwell matured and realized the implications of his mistaken adventure with communism.

#67 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Ignorant is strong in you today, Orwell, while an avowed socialist, was a fervent anti-communist"

Ronald Reagan was a fervent anti-Communist.

George Orwell has a broader scope.

From Wikipedia,

"George Orwell, was an English novelist, essayist, journalist and critic whose work is marked by lucid prose, awareness of social injustice, opposition to totalitarianism and outspoken support of democratic socialism."

"the term "Orwellian" -- descriptive of totalitarian or authoritarian social practices -- has entered the language"

N.B. "totalitarian or authoritarian social practices," not "Communism."

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-12 03:00 PM | Reply

--N.B. "totalitarian or authoritarian social practices," not "Communism."

lol. Now the peanut gallery weighs in. Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm are explictly anti-communist works no matter how much the authoritarian left denies it.

#69 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-12 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"he became anti-Stalinist and fiercely anti-fascist."

Which is a different thing than being anti-Communist.

Animal Farm stars out not so bad. That would be the Lenin era of Soviet Communism. It's the division of society into first and second class citizens, and the willingness of the cowed citizenry to be divisive, that Orwell criticizes throughout his works.

Fascism can occur against the backdrop of Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism alike.

Apparently Orwell was not successful in delivering that message to RightOCenter and Nullifidian.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-12 03:07 PM | Reply

Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm are explictly anti-communist works

No. They weren't.

They were anti totalitarian.

Way to miss the point. Go sit in the corner.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-08-12 03:08 PM | Reply

"Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm are explictly anti-communist works"

But that's not all they are.

That's not even most of what they are.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-12 03:09 PM | Reply

Nulli hasn't a clue what communism is.

Since he so readily confuses it for totalitarianism.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-08-12 03:09 PM | Reply

--No. They weren't.

Yes they were. Orwell himself stated that "1984" was modeled on Soviet communism, ignoramous.

#74 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-12 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just because the Guardian (and all other British papers) reported this in 1996 when the IRD file became declassified doesn't make it untrue.
it does, however, make your mancrush look like an idiot, so I get why you are upset.

#63 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-12 02:40 PM | REPLY

What the hell are you talking about? You are the one citing Orwell as an authority only to turn around and expose him as a British McCarthyist.

#75 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 03:15 PM | Reply

Nope, LBJ and McNamara made sure we lost that one fair and square.

#64 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-12 02:42 PM | FLAG:

Always a leftist to blame, huh? Only it was Nixon who left. But then, you never were fond of the facts.

#76 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 03:17 PM | Reply

#67

Maybe you too will someday regret your support for fascism. That won't change the fact that it happened.

#77 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 03:19 PM | Reply

"Orwell himself stated that "1984" was modeled on Soviet communism,"

It was also modeled on the common Englishman's adulation for Good Uncle Joe Stalin -- as enemy of the evil Hitler -- during WWII.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-12 03:21 PM | Reply

#75

Orwell obviously isn't the mancrush I was talking about, but subtlety has never been your strong point.

Always a leftist to blame, huh? Only it was Nixon who left.

Yeah, most historians would disagree that Nixon was the reason why we lost Vietnam. He did get the US out of a lost cause that he inherited from LBJ and McNamara, but that narrative is inconvenient for the Left.

Comrade Boydirkovich, please find one post where I have supported fascism...oh wait, you can't, so don't bother.

#79 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 03:43 PM | Reply

Vietnam was a Lost Cause?

How you figure?

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-12 03:43 PM | Reply

#60

Read a history book Snoofy, it might do you a little good.

#81 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 03:45 PM | Reply

Sorry, that should be #80

#82 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 03:46 PM | Reply

--Animal Farm stars out not so bad. That would be the Lenin era of Soviet Communism.

Oh good, now we have the shopworn argument that Lenin was the good totalitarian vs. Stalin the bad totalitarian.

#83 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-08-12 03:46 PM | Reply

"Orwell obviously isn't the mancrush I was talking about, but subtlety has never been your strong point."

Blaming others for your lack of clarity. Typical.

#84 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 03:49 PM | Reply

Comrade Boydirkovich, please find one post where I have supported fascism...oh wait, you can't, so don't bother.

#79 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-12 03:43 PM | REPLY

Oh sure. You laude Orwell's assistance to Spanish fascism abroad and his employment of black lists and purged at home but who would ever accuse YOU of supporting fascism?

Or should I even get into you whining about liberals having no appetite for warfare (a Hilterian classic)?

#85 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 03:55 PM | Reply

#84

LMAO, think really hard on who is the only poster on the DR that supports anything you say, and who is still on this thread...that's the idiot I was referring to.

#86 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 03:55 PM | Reply

Oh good, now we have the shopworn argument that Lenin was the good totalitarian vs. Stalin the bad totalitarian.

#83 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-08-12 03:46 PM | FLAG:

And your predictable lack of a response.

#87 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 03:56 PM | Reply

"Oh good, now we have the shopworn argument that Lenin was the good totalitarian vs. Stalin the bad totalitarian."

Which kind did we help defeat Hitler, and why would we want to come to the aid of either kind of totalitarianism?

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-12 03:56 PM | Reply

"Read a history book Snoofy, it might do you a little good."

You can't explain why Vietnam was a Lost Casue in a sentence or a paragraph?
Sounds like you're the one who needs to read the history books.
But more than that, you need to digest the information, and explain it.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-12 03:57 PM | Reply

I didn't "laude Orwell's assistance to Spanish fascism abroad", in fact I criticized his admitted mistake to join POUM (a communist organization) without realizing the implications thereof and brought up the blacklists to specifically point out your mancrush's ignorance.

Can I help you comprehend any other posts Comrade Boydirkovich?

#90 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 03:58 PM | Reply

#80

Like Hitler, Rightostupid subscribes to the "stab in the back" theory. America never really loses wars, it is only betrayed by impure, traitorous elements within. Salve for a bruised ego, militarism, and intolerance all in one tidy package.

#91 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 03:59 PM | Reply

You can't explain why Vietnam was a Lost Casue in a sentence or a paragraph?

Feel free to start a new thread if you need to be educated, the goal posts on this one have moved enough.

#92 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 04:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#90

Back peddle faster, Rightostupid. The truth is catching up to you.

#93 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 04:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#92

Way to rise to the challenge there, Rightocoward.

#94 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 04:02 PM | Reply

America never really loses wars, it is only betrayed by impure, traitorous elements within.

Your mancrush obviously taught you how to build terrible strawmen, that is not even close to what I said in #64.

Care to explain why you believe that LBJ and McNamara were traitors, Comrade Boydirkovich?

#95 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 04:03 PM | Reply

Way to rise to the challenge there, Rightocoward.

#94 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2018-08-12 04:02 PM

You and Snoofy really need to get a room...

#96 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 04:05 PM | Reply

Care to explain why you believe that LBJ and McNamara were traitors, Comrade Boydirkovich?

#95 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-12 04:03 PM | FLAG:

Shifting the burden.
You are the one who made that claim.

#97 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 04:07 PM | Reply

You and Snoofy really need to get a room...

#96 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-12 04:05 PM | FLAG:

How very rightist of you: resorting to homophobic quips when you are losing an argument.

And still no explanation of your Vietnam point! What a shock.

#98 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 04:09 PM | Reply

Tell me where I "laude Orwell's assistance to Spanish fascism abroad" in this post Comrade Boydirkovich:

"Pathetically incorrect, Eric Arthur Blair was an Eton trained Socialist who joined the POUM, by his own admission, without having any prior acquaintance with Spain or ever reading a book in Spanish about the war or anything else. Orwell himself later acknowledged his mistake, stating he supported the POUM as a result of "my partisanship, my mistakes of fact, and the distortion inevitably caused by my having seen only one corner of events". It was through his association with the POUM that he became anti-Stalinist and fiercely anti-fascist."

I italicized part of this because this exactly describes you, Comrade Boydirkovich, but at least Orwell recognized his mistake.

#99 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 04:09 PM | Reply

#97

Nope, that was your strawman...own it.

#100 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 04:10 PM | Reply

You quoted Orwell as an authority, Rightostupid. Yet we are to believe that your pointing out his history as a black lister and participant in the Spanish civil war were not shows of approval?

You are stuck in a dilemma again. Either you approve of those things about Orwell (thus showing yourself as a fascist supporter) or you don't approve of them and undercut Orwell as an authority.

#101 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 04:12 PM | Reply

#98

No explanation needed, you asked me if I thought the Vietnam war was a draw, and I said we lost it.

Like I said, you and your mancrush need to start a new thread on Vietnam if that is what is now exciting you.

#102 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 04:12 PM | Reply

Nope, that was your strawman...own it.

#100 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-12 04:10 PM | FLAG:

It is not a strawman, it is exactly what you said. Vietnam was a lost cause because of domestic figures, rather than the circumstances of the conflict itself. The same thing you say about a hypothetical war with China: it can't be won, not because the US isn't strong, but because of "impurities in the body politic".... just like Hitler used to say. Imagine that.

#103 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I actually quoted Richard Grenier, who was summarizing Orwell, which started your freak out.

I'm heading to the beach, enjoy your virtual 69 with Snoofy.

#104 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-12 04:14 PM | Reply

"No explanation needed"

One is definitely needed... you just don't have it, you intellectual lightweight. Go back to your PIG guides and try to find the answer. Or maybe you'll have better luck on Stormfront.

#105 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 04:16 PM | Reply

I'm heading to the beach, enjoy your virtual 69 with Snoofy.

#104 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-08-12 04:14 PM | FLAG:

Watch out for Jellyfish:
They apparently have more spine than you do, you homophobic moron.

#106 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-12 04:18 PM | Reply

#103 is spot-on.

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-12 05:50 PM | Reply

#23 You were the idiot who guessed S-3 Viking

#108 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-08-12 10:16 PM | Reply

#21 It's fairly common to allow a reporter on the plane to to observe a mission.

#109 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-08-12 10:29 PM | Reply

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