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Thursday, August 09, 2018

Opinion: The theft or forced transfer of technology and intellectual property should be a no-no. Suppose a Chinese electric carmaker wants to win market share by selling cars with the best cutting-edge battery technology. How does it get that technology? It can hire some engineers, build a lab and try to develop it inhouse. It can partner with a university research lab to create it. Or alternatively, it can buy an American company that already has the technology.

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The best things the USA is known for came from captured German scientists.

So there is that.....

Everyone steals or "borrows" from everyone else.

Ever seen "Turkish Star Trek"? First you got to smoke a ton of weed... only then you can watch....

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-09 09:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

Ever seen "Turkish Star Trek"? First you got to smoke a ton of weed... only then you can watch....

www.youtube.com

My point is, everyone steals...

#2 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-09 09:39 AM | Reply

It's our fault for being so God damned greedy and demanding China make our goods for us. We have only ourselves to blame.

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#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-09 09:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

www.youtube.com

Did you know the Govt of Turkey issued a postage stamp honoring this poo?

I had the stamp somewhere when I was little... seem to have lost it...

#4 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-09 09:44 AM | Reply

These corps want the US consumer to pay tariff taxes to pressure the Chinese to give the corps access to their markets.
People sign away their IP all the time. Why do US consumers have to pay to protect corporate IP?

#5 | Posted by bored at 2018-08-09 11:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Comments #1-3 make no sense.

That said, saying Trump is right is like saying nearly everyone is right about this. Literally we have been saying this for a decade straight.

The issue is HOW to get them to stop. And these tariffs aren't going to do that.

#6 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-08-09 12:45 PM | Reply

Meanwhile trump attempts to steal China's censorship and authoritarian tactics.

#7 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-08-09 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#6 ... The issue is HOW to get them to stop. And these tariffs aren't going to do that. ...

That's my view as well.

imo, the trouble with tariffs is that China has a much, much longer-term view than Pres Trump does.

If the tariffs start adversely affecting the economy during the 2020 campaign, Pres Trump is not going to allow that. In other words, Pres Trump has two years before he faces an election cycle, and the tariffs could affect that election cycle.

On the other hand, Pres Xi is president for life, so he is not concerned about 2020, or 2022, or 2024...

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-08-09 01:06 PM | Reply

gee..did japan, taiwan, korea quit with the industrial espionage? this is corporate warfare. how much is done by the corporations of a certain country is probably in direct correlation to the amount of government support to those corps. this issue has been debated for the last 5 decades. and this is not an issue that will impact trade disparities.

#9 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-08-09 01:10 PM | Reply

This is one of the few Trump arguments which has merit. But, US Corporations entered these deals willingly, in return for cheap labor, and like Pandora's box, they cannot be closed. All you can do is stop repeating the same mistake. But it gets worse, because with the transfer of manufacturing the opportunities for invention and ability to finance them are also transferring to China, so that China already has, or soon will have, more ideas we are interested in stealing than the reverse.

#10 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-08-09 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is one of the few Trump arguments which has merit. But, US Corporations entered these deals willingly, in return for cheap labor, and like Pandora's box, they cannot be closed. All you can do is stop repeating the same mistake. But it gets worse, because with the transfer of manufacturing the opportunities for invention and ability to finance them are also transferring to China, so that China already has, or soon will have, more ideas we are interested in stealing than the reverse.

#10 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

Its not just businesses using Chinese labor. They steal intellectual property from everyone. They have no laws protecting it.

#11 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-08-09 01:45 PM | Reply

They steal intellectual property from everyone. They have no laws protecting it.

And why would they? It's to their benefit to steal. Why do you think they would self govern something that helps them?

That's where you liberals are naive.

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-09 02:09 PM | Reply

#11, A most notorious example would be "Yang Enterprises", a software company owned by a Chinese woman who has contracts with NASA and the Department of Public Works in Florida. According to one employee and author, Clint Curtis, the owner's brother was expelled from the USA for suspicion of spying. The suspicion includes fear that the entire NASA database was transferred to China, through Yang. Yet, Yang has been able to continue those business relationships, in spite of Clint's charge that the owner accepted a bribe from Jeb Bush's once running mate and former Florida speaker of the house (Tom Feeney), for one million dollars, to rig the 2000 election in South Florida. Clint wrote a book about it, in which he claimed to be in the room when the bribe took place, called "Just a Fly on the Wall". The book ends on the sad note of an alleged murder of a Florida investigator of the matter, which was officially ruled a suicide.

The final determining battle will be over who is master of artificial intelligence, China or USA.

#13 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-08-09 02:11 PM | Reply

And why would they? It's to their benefit to steal. Why do you think they would self govern something that helps them?
That's where you liberals are naive.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-09 02:09 PM | REPLY

A Republican Richard Nixon got the China ball rolling. Blame goes squarely on him.

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-09 02:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

One of the most egregious example of China's IP theft is green power windmill technology that the conservatives mock as being an unsustainable bird killer that will never meet the country's energy demand.

So, why are you right-wingers worried when China steals tech you don't believe in? Wouldn't you want them to do that?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-09 02:21 PM | Reply

#14

Wow, Dude Looks Like a Lady just jumped into the Wayback Machine for that deflection.

(kudos to Donnerboy for the reference in the Aerosmith thread)

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-08-09 02:24 PM | Reply

Put a password on your wifi then!

#17 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-08-09 02:29 PM | Reply

Trump is Right

I'm going with the "stopped watch" theory, but far less often than twice a day in Trump's case.

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2018-08-09 02:34 PM | Reply

A Republican Richard Nixon got the China ball rolling. Blame goes squarely on him.

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr

WTF are you talking about? That has nothing to do with nothing.

#19 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-09 02:49 PM | Reply

WTF are you talking about? That has nothing to do with nothing.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-09 02:49 PM | REPLY

A double negative?? Tsk tsk tsk improper grammar.

#20 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-09 02:56 PM | Reply

#20,

Shut up Laura.

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-09 03:00 PM | Reply

Shut up Laura.

#21 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-09 03:00 PM | FLAG:

Learn to write, Bozo. No, scratch that. Learn to think and then learn to write.

#22 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-09 03:01 PM | Reply

#20,
Shut up Laura.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-09 03:00 PM | REPLY

Oh such manners.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-09 03:01 PM | Reply

Look - China is still a totalitarian controlled society no matter what people seem to think. It was stupid to start making things there.

Here is the way it works.

Want to open factories in China? Ok - either the government, another business or a person must own a controlling interest. While it is not a "legal" requirement you must share your IP to do this because of other requirements put in place by the Chinese Government. Anyone opening up shop in China has to accept this and you have to be stupid to do it even though it is a huge market.

Here is where it gets more sketchy, we and most of the rest of the world, don't force the same restrictions on Chinese coming in and buying our companies or starting their own. The Chinese own so many of the Tier 1 and 2 manufacturers now it is not funny. They own that IP as well and even though there is supposed to be a "firewall" and that IP is not to be exported somehow it just ends up back home. This has put any of our manufacturing in a very bad situation. I don't know what the estimates are but I know first hand of several HUGE automotive and aerospace parts makers they have bought and others they are trying to buy right now. One of our key vendors dodged the bullet and was bought by a Swiss consortium. Next stop will be the likes of GM, Ford, Boeing, etc.

Unlike the West the Chinese are playing the long game.

#24 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-08-09 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We build for China."

American companies don't work that way.
We build for profits, not for America.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-09 04:54 PM | Reply

"The best things the USA is known for came from captured German scientists."

You are such a dumbass propagandist sometimes you Karachi Kook.

You used two of the greatest American inventions in the world just to post that trash.

The personal computer & THE INTERNET!

And don't forget these oldies but goodies.

more American inventions that changed the world...(no Germans involved)

the Ferris wheel
the chocolate chip cookie
Dental floss
the zipper
the hearing aid
Defibrillators
radiocarbon dating
the traffic light
crash test dummy
the microwave oven
the assembly line
the LASER
the LED
the global positioning system (GPS)
chemotherapy
video games
Email
the mobile phone

There are countless other impactful American inventions (because I haven't counted them!) but I have already wasted enough time teaching numbnuts today...lol

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-08-09 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And why would they? It's to their benefit to steal. Why do you think they would self govern something that helps them?

That's where you liberals are naive.

#12 | Posted by boaz

So you're saying people steal if there's no REGULATION against it?
Duh. People do all kinds of harmful things if they're allowed.

Good thing your party is so full of deregulators then isn't it?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-09 07:12 PM | Reply

Please add pool noodle to the list.

#28 | Posted by Docman at 2018-08-09 09:26 PM | Reply

more American inventions that changed the world...(no Germans involved)

Jeez.... a bit grouchy today, what?

#29 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-10 12:38 AM | Reply

Pretty sure that the TPP cracked down on IP violations. But Republicans wanted to pull out because... Obama. So, liberals already implemented something but Republicans decided to get rid of it. Ball is in your court. What have you done to replace it?

Let me guess... nothing. Just sit and whine about it like little snowflakes. Because that is apparently all that Republicans can do.

#30 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-08-10 09:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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