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Wednesday, August 08, 2018

Labor groups won a landmark victory Tuesday as Missourians voted by referendum to overturn the state's new right-to-work law, an embarrassing rejection for the state's Republican lawmakers. Proposition A asked voters whether or not they would like to enact the right-to-work statute that the state legislature passed and former Gov. Eric Greitens (R) signed early last year. The "no" votes defeated the "yes," according to returns released Tuesday night by the secretary of state.

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Buhbye right to work scumbags.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-07 11:31 PM | Reply

It didn't just lose, it lost bigly in a state that has been turning more and more red over the past 20 years. With 90% of the vote in, right to work is losing by 2:1

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-08-07 11:40 PM | Reply

Good for Missouri.
The Show-Me-The-Money state.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 11:43 PM | Reply

They jumped on it quick. Before RTW was even enacted.

Labor outspent them 8-1. Where were the evil Koch brothers?

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2018-08-07 11:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Right to Work states, in general, have lower standards of living, more dangerous worksites, and shorter lifespans. No one wins but the bosses.

Alabama has been RTW since 1953. Look where it's got them.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-08-07 11:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"Right to Work states, in general, have lower standards of living, more dangerous worksites, and shorter lifespans."

They don't care.
It's worth it to them for people to live a shorter, unhealthier life, because Freedom.

I'm not sure why, since it's not like they're on the hook for their pensions much these days.
Perhaps that was the reason they were "Right To Work" in the first place.
They saw how unions were costing them money.
That I can understand.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-08 12:34 AM | Reply

Right to Work states, in general, have lower standards of living, more dangerous worksites, and shorter lifespans.

It's all worth it to troll the libs.

#7 | Posted by JOE at 2018-08-08 08:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hopefully all other right to work states will learn from their victory. Right to work for nothing laws are horrible unjust efforts to keep people poor.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2018-08-08 08:51 AM | Reply

public education and unions...hand in hand to enable the common person to rise above their station at birth. taught to think and the ability to collectively leverage their position in the marketplace. the wealthy all take advantage of the union raison d'etre, and all the while seek to deny its benefits to those most disadvantaged.

#9 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-08-08 08:56 AM | Reply

Artificial levels of compensation do more to hurt labor than anything else.

No one is going to pay $50 an hour for a $10 an hour job.

The market will work this out.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-08 09:06 AM | Reply

"Artificial levels of compensation do more to hurt labor than anything else. "

That is utter nonsense. Were that true then slavery was an economic success, just not so much for the slaves.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2018-08-08 09:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

That is utter nonsense. Were that true then slavery was an economic success, just not so much for the slaves.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-08-08 09:09 AM | REPLY

Honey it's Boaz. He's talking out of his fanny again.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-08 09:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

"The market will work this out." - #10 | Posted by pfc. boazotoes at 2018-08-08 09:06 AM

Once upon a time there was a market that worked out something along the lines of $100.00 for a slave, no hourly wages needed.

"No one is going to pay $50 an hour for a $10 an hour job."

Seems like companies have figured out that they don't have to pay $10.00 an hour to an American worker when they can pay 50 cents a day to someone in Asia for the same thing.

Your "market" at work, pfc. boazotoes.

Meanwhile, in 1969 minimum wage was enough of a living wage that a family of 4 could live with only 1 wage earner working a single job.

#13 | Posted by Hans at 2018-08-08 09:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This isn't surprising at all. I noticed union halls seemingly all over the place in KC. It's not something you see in Florida or Texas.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-08-08 09:20 AM | Reply

The market will work this out.

It just did yesterday.

#15 | Posted by JOE at 2018-08-08 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

Good for them. I wish we could get rid of the RTW laws here in NC.

#16 | Posted by qcp at 2018-08-08 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No one is going to pay $50 an hour for a $10 an hour job. "

Nor do they.

One of the goals of Unions is to keep compensation to where the owner can still profit.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-08-08 09:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Right to Work states, in general, have lower standards of living, more dangerous worksites, and shorter lifespans. No one wins but the bosses.

Alabama has been RTW since 1953. Look where it's got them."

Sad facts but they are facts. Alabama folks just think cheaper cost of living is better.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2018-08-08 10:40 AM | Reply

One of the goals of Unions is to keep compensation to where the owner can still profit.
..................................#17 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

in a right-to-work state a new construct house is sold just like everywhere else...comparable pricing. a union wage built house puts more money in labors pocket. a house built in a RTW environment could pass some savings to the consumer but that's not the reason for RTW. it's to maximize profits for the builder.

#19 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-08-08 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

As the divide between rich and poor expands, it is seemingly inevitable that Unions will begin to regain leverage in many parts of the country.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-08-08 11:06 AM | Reply

20

I don't know about that. middle class folks have got to start believing in unions and stop seeing them as their enemy.

They spent big bucks to get this done in Missouri but it worked....

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2018-08-08 11:18 AM | Reply

No one is going to pay $50 an hour for a $10 an hour job.
The market will work this out.

#10 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-08 09:06 AM | REPLY

too bad you don't have a problem with corporations paying $7.25 for a $15 job

Corporations were doing just fine before RTW and tax cuts.

#22 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-08-08 11:19 AM | Reply

"Corporations were doing just fine before RTW and tax cuts."

I'm fine with what happened in Missouri and I'm not anti-union....but....corporations in this country didn't always compete on a global level for labor and margins that come from a global marketplace of labor.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2018-08-08 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democracy in action.
Power to the people.

#24 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-08-08 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"middle class folks have got to start believing in unions and stop seeing them as their enemy."

Agreed.

Apparently we have middle class folks who would rather be pro-Russian than be pro-union in any way.

#25 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-08-08 11:46 AM | Reply

As the divide between rich and poor expands, it is seemingly inevitable that Unions will begin to regain leverage in many parts of the country.

#20 | POSTED BY MODER8

Precisely. Think about the working conditions at the time unions were formed. Over the course of a century or so, through modernization and legislation, many of the battles that unions constantly fought for their members have been won pretty much permanently. This, along with some glaring corruption, has caused not only a loss in stature in terms of how unions are perceived, but also a significant loss in the value that unions provide to their members. Having said that, once the pendulum swings too far the other way, they'll begin to regain leverage, just as you've stated.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-08-08 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"once the pendulum swings too far the other way..."

IOW, Once things get A LOT WORSE for workers... which it will if the RTW trend continues.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-08-08 12:17 PM | Reply

"...too bad you don't have a problem with corporations paying $7.25 for a $15 job"

Your argument is nonsense. You can no more pay $7.25 for a job worth $15 an hour than you can pay $7.5K for a car with a market value of $15k.

"Having said that, once the pendulum swings too far the other way, they'll begin to regain leverage, just as you've stated."

Not necessarily. You seem to be pre-supposing that employers would be obligated to pay the higher wages, which implies that the consumer would be willing to pay more as well. This additionally implies that the consumer would have no substitute goods or services available to purchase labor or other production practices that cost less. I don't see that ever being the case again in the US, barring some sort of catastrophe that drives up the demand for US labor, similar to what happened in this country after WWII.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-08-08 12:18 PM | Reply

My son who is an electrician can tell you stories about very expensive houses in gated communities down here with wiring that looks like a monkey wired the house. Unions help train tradesmen to do jobs right. When it comes to electrical work I think that is in everyone's best interest. He's been on jobs where illegal aliens were doing the wiring.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2018-08-08 12:21 PM | Reply

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I have no problem with union shops specifically in specialty trades such as electricians. In fact, I insure a couple shops like that.

But....it doesn't require a union to do it right. I don't the magical place called Florida, but there are tons and tons of quality electrical contractors in Kansas that are non-union that wouldn't do what you described. It's already illegal as hell anyway everywhere.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2018-08-08 12:42 PM | Reply

IOW, Once things get A LOT WORSE for workers... which it will if the RTW trend continues.

#27 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I guess it depends on how we define "A LOT WORSE".

Way too many laws exist that would prevent conditions to ever come close to returning to the sweatshops of the early 20th century. On top of that, it is much easier to expose poor working conditions to the court of public opinion than ever before via phone cameras, on-line platforms that can quickly cause videos to go viral, etc.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-08-08 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Unions help train tradesmen to do jobs right. When it comes to electrical work I think that is in everyone's best interest. He's been on jobs where illegal aliens were doing the wiring."

I agree. I think that the biggest issue with trade unions is brand management. If they positioned their services as being premium labor performed by well trained professionals, I think there would be a larger interest. And in reality, that's the case. They are highly trained professionals. They're just not marketing their services that way.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-08-08 01:03 PM | Reply

Exactly #31,

Unions only exist now as a mouthing tool of the Democrat Party platform. They only exist to try to squeeze more money out of people. Unions are no longer needed. They only exist to drive up the cost of labor and prices and to drive good jobs out of a state.

#33 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-08 01:06 PM | Reply

"corporations in this country didn't always compete on a global level for labor and margins that come from a global marketplace of labor.
#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Corporations don't compete on a global level for labor, except at the top tier of the economy.

And those people they compete for can't just show up and work here, they need a H1-B visa, which are pretty limited in number.

Our bottom tier workers can't chase their old factory jobs to China or Vietnam in Harley Davidson's case. The competition you're talking about isn't happening.

They're not competing. They're simply shopping.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-08 01:10 PM | Reply

#33, the usual BS. Democrats take union support for granted and consequently do nothing for the unions except provide occasional lip service. Unions increase the wages of workers, particularly unskilled productive workers. For that the union expects to collect dues, so that it can operate and protect its members. Boaz would prefer a world in which people are divided by class and some classes of people are not permitted to have enough money to live a decent life. Boaz would prefer a world in which a few idle rich people abscond with most money in return for doing nothing but shuffle paper.

#35 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-08-08 01:19 PM | Reply

Boaz would prefer a world in which people are divided by class and some classes of people are not permitted to have enough money to live a decent life.

No, I would prefer a world where everyone takes care of themselves, realizes when they arent making enough money and take responsibility for themselves to make more.

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-08 01:31 PM | Reply

#36 Yeah! Why son't all those stupid poor people just make more money? It's so simple.

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2018-08-08 01:37 PM | Reply

On top of that, it is much easier to expose poor working conditions to the court of public opinion than ever before via phone cameras, on-line platforms that can quickly cause videos to go viral, etc.
.............................#31 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

i'd cite recent court rulings making it a criminal offense to photograph wrong doing on factory farms..'Ag Gag Laws'..forced arbitration..jail for unpaid bills. it seems exposure just points out the divide between rich and poor

#38 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-08-08 01:51 PM | Reply

No, I would prefer a world where everyone takes care of themselves, realizes when they arent making enough money and take responsibility for themselves to make more.
#36 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You would like to live in a fictitious Utopia where all people have the ability to take care of themselves and the world provides the means.

This is the common problem with Republicans. They live in a fantasyland where people never get sick, getting a job is as simple as applying, having a job means you can afford everything, no one gets fired unless they deserve it, raising a family is cheap, everyone treats everyone else fairly, and every gets precisely what they earn and deserve.

That's not the world we live in no matter how much you want it to be so. Bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. Life is unfair. And you can't always take care of yourself or your family no matter how hard you try.

Worse, kids don't get to pick their parents. So getting rid of welfare hurts kids who have done nothing wrong.

Whats funny is when bad things happen to Republicans. When they need help, they talk about how they earned it and go back to preaching self reliance afterwards.

Boaz, you're so typical its gotten boring.

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-08-08 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, I would prefer a world where everyone takes care of themselves, realizes when they arent making enough money and take responsibility for themselves to make more.
#36 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Matthew 25:35-45.

#40 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-08 02:05 PM | Reply

Because you dont understand the bible, "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions, The desires that we experience that go against God's will. In other words, a desire for anything sinful. See James 1:14. Also called "sin in the flesh." Although the expression "youthful lusts" is often thought of in connection with sinful sexual desires, lusts include anything that go against what is good and right in God's eyes. (2 Timothy 2:22.; Galatians... More. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." Romans 1:26-27.

God's Word makes it clear beyond doubt that homosexual practice is against His will and design, and is therefore sin.

activechristianity.org

And this one is for you Laura..You better stop twisting gods word..

Romans 16:17-20

#41 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-08 02:13 PM | Reply

God's Word makes it clear beyond doubt that homosexual practice is against His will and design, and is therefore sin.
activechristianity.org
And this one is for you Laura..You better stop twisting gods word..
Romans 16:17-20

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-08 02:13 PM | REPLY

Gender identity has absolutely NOTHING to do with sexual orientation.

OOPSIE DAISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#42 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-08 02:21 PM | Reply

Boaz you gotta be smarter than that.

Awwwwwwwwwww shucky darns.

#43 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-08 02:22 PM | Reply

Laura,

Is a transgender person engaging in gender appropriation in the same manner that a white chick wearing hoop earrings is engaging in cultural appropriation?

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-08-08 02:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Is a transgender person engaging in gender appropriation in the same manner that a white chick wearing hoop earrings is engaging in cultural appropriation?

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-08-08 02:24 PM | REPLY

I'll disregard your question because it's foolish and dumb. More whataboutism again.

#45 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-08 02:26 PM | Reply

It was a joke, Laura.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-08-08 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No, I would prefer a world where everyone takes care of themselves, realizes when they arent making enough"

So, no babies then.
And no Alzheimer's either.
Sounds like Ayn Rand paradise.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-08 02:30 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Of course, I have no problem with the old and infirm being taken care of. Medicare is a good thing. I do also understand the need for a temporary safety net.
But our culture and certain people within it are going to have to start making better choices.

#48 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-08 03:00 PM | Reply

Gender identity has absolutely NOTHING to do with sexual orientation.

God also knows he made you a man.

#49 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-08 03:01 PM | Reply

Boaz you are a flip-flopper.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-08 03:04 PM | Reply

How so Snoofy?

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-08 03:10 PM | Reply

"God's Word makes it clear beyond doubt that homosexual practice is against His will"

According to that book, so is getting a haircut, eating shrimp cocktail, or wearing a poly-cotton shirt.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-08-08 03:13 PM | Reply

You are right, Danforth

#53 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-08 03:16 PM | Reply

No, I would prefer a world where everyone takes care of themselves, realizes when they arent making enough money and take responsibility for themselves to make more.
#36 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Boaz, you are literal proof that self-accountability cannot work.

#54 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-08-08 03:22 PM | Reply

"I would prefer a world where everyone takes care of themselves"

"Of course, I have no problem with the old and infirm being taken care of."

But... you'd prefer if they werent?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-08 03:36 PM | Reply

Do you have to be so literal? Oh, I keep forgetting, you are a liberal.

Ok able-bodied people...

#56 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-08 03:40 PM | Reply

God also knows he made you a man.

#49 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-08 03:01 PM | FLAG:

Tell that to the rest of the animals within the animal kingdom that change gender slick. He made them What??? You're about as stupid as it gets. Oh well some people refuse to educate themselves.

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-08 03:49 PM | Reply

"he made you a man"

Well in that case, He also flooded Laura's brain with DES on the womb, which we know is the cause of what happened to Laura.

So, it's G-d's will that Laura is the way she is, Boaz.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-08 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"he made you a man"

Well in that case, He also flooded Laura's brain with DES on the womb, which we know is the cause of what happened to Laura.

So, it's G-d's will that Laura is the way she is, Boaz.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-08 03:58 PM | Reply

Don't make me say it a third time!

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-08 03:59 PM | Reply

No, I would prefer a world where everyone takes care of themselves, realizes when they arent making enough money and take responsibility for themselves to make more.
#36 | POSTED BY BOAZ

What gives you the impression that everyone has the ability to take care of themselves?

#61 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-08-08 04:37 PM | Reply

So, it's G-d's will that Laura is the way she is, Boaz.
#58 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

All part of god's plan.

Otherwise, fatalism and determinism are false.

#62 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-08-08 04:38 PM | Reply

"You are right, Danforth"

So, do you avoid blended shirts, haircuts, and shellfish, or are you a Cafeteria Christian?

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-08-08 06:03 PM | Reply

I live in MO, the anti-RTW campaign was much stronger than last time around. Dems think this is a victory, but realty is that the Dems have lost most (if not all)of the Union gun owning members. But the Dems still get the Union money

#64 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-08-08 07:34 PM | Reply

Right-to-Work laws = the right to work, for less.

RTW was passed here in Louisiana back in the 70's. The anti-labor crowd used our oil and petro-chemical industry as a boogieman to gain traction with the LABI (Louisiana assn. of business and Industry) folks. This organization was a vast expanse of businesses from grocery stores to gasoline refineries. Simply put, the industry scared the small business by telling them that those high wages in heavy industry were indicative of what they could expect should their folks decide to organize and vote for collective bargaining. On top of that they convinced masses that nobody deserved to earn 15-20 dollars an hour for working on an oil rig or in a refinery. Once they had all the businesses behind the effort, they were able to control the outcome of the vote in the legislature. I think it was spring of 1976. I remember being about 20 years old getting my hands on a copy.. It was disgusting.

What did this produce 40 years later? It killed the apprenticeship schools and people looked for other means of making a living, or they just moved out. Unless your occupation is highly technical or you're middle mgmt. and up, you can expect these construction projects and maintenance turnarounds to be staffed with migrant immigrants making dirt wages.

#65 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-08-09 07:28 AM | Reply

I live in MO, the anti-RTW campaign was much stronger than last time around. Dems think this is a victory, but realty is that the Dems have lost most (if not all)of the Union gun owning members. But the Dems still get the Union money

#64 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Wait, you seriously think every Union member who owns a gun is an NRA shill who votes Republican on the theory the Dems are out to get their guns?

...Are you Sniper in disguise?

#66 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-08-09 12:46 PM | Reply

@ Comrade Boazo, your same god that made Laura a man originally made you extremely embarrassing stupid to there is that! She adjusted her life in her situation, you on the other hand haven't.

....and BTW she is winning the debate between you 2 and it's not close. You might as well change your name to Laura's chew toy.

#67 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-08-09 01:40 PM | Reply

I know plenty of Dem gun owners. I used to have a couple guns when I was younger and went hunting. Now I only hunt at the butcher shop. Target shooting and clay pigeons can be a swell time too. There is no reason however for anyone to have an arsenal at home and live in fear of everyone around you longing for a mythical time when it was actually a lot more dangerous to leave your doors unlocked.

The murder rate in 2014 was lower than at any time since the FBI started keeping track in 1960. That is remarkable. Property crimes are also at an all time low

#68 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-08-09 04:24 PM | Reply

Do you have to be so literal? Oh, I keep forgetting, you are a liberal.
Ok able-bodied people...

#56 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-08 03:40 PM | REPLY

Words have meanings. Different words have different meanings. If you use different words you are saying something different.

#69 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-08-09 05:08 PM | Reply

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