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The shooting occurred at Isaac Campbell Park on South Street shortly after 5:20 p.m. when the shooter, whom police have not identified, returned to the park after a fistfight and began firing, investigators said. A bystander, who was licensed to a carry a firearm, shot the gunman, police said. He was taken to a hospital with life-threatening injuries, police said.

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I missed this thread and posted the same story. Sorry,

#1 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2018-08-06 10:26 AM | Reply

Is there a back-to-school special on firearms?

Did anyone ever notice that whenever there is a shooting, there is always a gun involved. It's a mystery how that happens, because you know, gun violence has absolutely nothing to do with guns.

#2 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-08-06 10:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 1

Did anyone ever notice that whenever there is a shooting, there is always a gun involved.

#2 | POSTED BY KUDZU AT 2018-08-06 10:42 AM | FLAG:

Not always. Somebody managed to shoot somebody else with a bow & arrow in NOLA earlier this year.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-08-06 11:46 AM | Reply

The logic is so bad in these comments that it's a wonder Liberals can harness enough brain cells to leave their house. Since there is nothing but crickets about any other type of violence because it doesn't help an agenda, I'm thinking of starting a betting pool in Vegas just for when they outlaw guns. It's going to be the "What device will be banned next by Liberals" and anyone can bet. Personally, I'm betting knives will be banned next. I would say bats but bats are too entrenched into Baseball to ever be allowed to be banned. I mean, we could give Baseball players permits to carry and use them but we see how that has worked for guns. Considering the significant increase in knife violence/deaths in other countries in the last year, I think that's the safest bet but the odds will be so low that it won't win much money.

Now, as we live longer and longer, we could expand the pool to include dates of when people think Liberals will have everything banned. I mean, you can't have freedom without the government telling you everything you are allowed to have in your life.

#4 | Posted by humtake at 2018-08-06 11:58 AM | Reply

Yes Humtake I admit I am an idiot for not plonking you long ago. Problem solved.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-06 11:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

@ Comrade Hummer,

In a long list of of your stupid and moronic posts, that post is your dumbest.
Congrats on that you alt-right anti-American POS! Mother Russia is calling and wants you home.

#6 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-08-06 12:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

A bystander, who was licensed to a carry a firearm, shot the gunman

That should be the headline. System worked as intended.

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-06 01:07 PM | Reply

Help us 3D printer! You are our only hope!

#8 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-06 01:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The only president to ever threaten repealing the 2nd amendment and forcefully taking guns away from citizens is Donald J Trump and inbreds like Dumtake still think liberals are the ones attacking that amendment.

#9 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-08-06 01:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-06 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag: Food Court Ninja Mode Activated!

#10 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-08-06 01:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Standing by the printer waiting for the gun to print.

PC LOAD LETTER

WTF!

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-06 01:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Now, as we live longer and longer, we could expand the pool to include dates of when people think Liberals will have everything banned. I mean, you can't have freedom without the government telling you everything you are allowed to have in your life.

#4 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

I know it's hard being that stupid so let me clear things up for your tiny little brain: Liberals don't want to take all guns or even most guns. They want some common sense regulations in place like registration, proper licensing, stricter penalties for illegal possession, and some liability for people who just let their kids take their guns.

Please get help.

#12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-08-06 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

System worked as intended.
#7 | POSTED BY BOAZ

A citizen got his wish to kill someone legally? Is that what you meant?

#13 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-08-06 02:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Please get help.

#12 | Posted by Sycophant

You are the one needs help bad.

#14 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-08-06 03:21 PM | Reply

Is there a back-to-school special on firearms?

#2 | Posted by kudzu

Did not go well for him.

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-08-06 05:11 PM | Reply

You are the one needs help bad.

#14 | POSTED BY comrade SNIPPY

You are projecting again hilljack!

I'm not usually a fan of mental therapy as folks tend to overdose on it, but you --------, could use a whole team of shrinks looking into that tiny brain of yours.

#16 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-08-06 05:37 PM | Reply

#16

Pot, kettle, black.

#17 | Posted by willowby at 2018-08-06 08:38 PM | Reply

who is Q? Humtake?

#18 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-08-06 09:52 PM | Reply

System worked as intended.
#7 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Nice to know the system is working as intended for 50 people who are going to kill themselves with guns today.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-06 10:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#19

Boaz is fine with them dying. Them and a dozen or so random school children a month.

#20 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-08-06 10:11 PM | Reply

#19

"Nice to know the system is working as intended for 50 people who are going to kill themselves with guns today.

What system is that snoofy? Nothing to do with his reply or the article.

#21 | Posted by willowby at 2018-08-06 10:13 PM | Reply

Nice to know the system is working as intended for 50 people who are going to kill themselves with guns today.

#19 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Does it hurt to shart such a giant logical fallacy?

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2018-08-07 12:50 AM | Reply

What fallacy are you referring to?

How is gun suicide anything other than a Second Amendment success story?

We Americans have a Constitutionally enshrined way to kill ourselves denied to so many others around the world. Don't try to tell me that's not freedom.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 12:53 AM | Reply

To kill ourselves and others, really. Making this story a win-win.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 12:54 AM | Reply

System worked as intended.
#7 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Yeah, stops shooters SOMETIMES and only AFTER they start trying to gun people down (usually succeeding). But this is about the best we can hope for from any Republican system: Abject failure.

#25 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-08-07 01:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you view gun suicides as an undesirable outcome the system, JPW?

Say it ain't so!

Maybe just give me your view from 30,000 feet, is the system a net gain or loss? ;)

Mostly I was trying to get Boaz to examine other results of the system, but I'm sure you'll do a better job.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 01:16 AM | Reply

What fallacy are you referring to?

That all uses of guns are their intended use.

Equating self-defense with suicide and claiming that that is what advocates of self-defense want is beyond straw man.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2018-08-07 02:12 AM | Reply

Mostly I was trying to get Boaz to examine other results of the system, but I'm sure you'll do a better job.

#26 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You know that that's an impossible task.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2018-08-07 02:13 AM | Reply

"That all uses of guns are their intended use."

Intended use isn't part of the Second Amendment. Right to bear arms isn't restricted to the militia, for example.

Not to mention, when someone kills themselves with a gun, or someone else, the gun was used in harmony with the intent of the user.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 02:21 AM | Reply

Intended use isn't part of blah blah blah with the intent of the user.

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Doubling down on -------- doesn't make the original -------- true.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-08-07 03:49 AM | Reply

Doubling down on falsely claiming something is -------- doesn't make the false claim true.

The Second Amendment doesn't discuss the purpose for which one might want a gun. Well, it actually does, there's stuff about a militia and the security of a free state, but those parts of the law have no bearing on how it is construed, which is an individual's right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I think you might be trying to call -------- on, is that the right to bear arms doesn't make murder legal.

I am not trying to say that the Second Amendment makes murder legal.

I am saying the Second Amendment makes gun usage a lot more widespread.

The roaring endorsement of this system is evidenced by facts like "American citizens now own 40 per cent of all guns in the world - more than the next 25 top-ranked gun ownership countries combined" if you want to take Google at its word. And the 50 suicides are part and parcel of that prevalence. It doesn't matter if they're legal or not. They're so prevalent because ownersnip is illegal and we can't really prevent people from legally purchasing one for an illegal use.

In two words: Dose, Response.

You're winning, JPW. This is what a "win" looks like under our system.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 04:05 AM | Reply

Liberals don't want to take all guns or even most guns. They want some common sense regulations in place.

#12 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Do you really believe that?

"I don't believe people should be able to own guns." President Barack Obama, during conversation with economist and author John Lott Jr. at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s

"If I could have gotten...an outright ban – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' – I would have!" Senator Diane Feinstein

Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option." Andrew Cuomo

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military." Michael Dukakis

"[To get a] permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or mental illness ... The Constitution doesn't count!" John Silber, candidate for Governor of Massachsetts

"I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about. Is that it will happen one very small step at a time so that by the time, um, people have woken up, quote, to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the banning of semiassault military weapons that are military weapons, not household weapons, is the first step." Mayor Barbara Fass, Stockton, CA

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." Senator Diane Feinstein, 1993

"The Brady Bill is the minimum step Congress should take ... we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of handguns, except in a few cases." U.S. Representative William Clay, quoted in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on May 6, 1991.

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns." Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994

"My bill ... establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of all handguns." U.S. Representative Major Owens, Congressional Record, 11/10/93

"We want everything on the table. This is a moment of opportunity. There's no question about it ... We're on a roll now, and I think we've got to take the–you know, we're gonna push as hard as we can and as far as we can." Illinois Rep Jan Schakowsky says assault rifle ban just the beginning, ‘moment of opportunity' and seeks to ban handguns (2013).

"People who own guns are essentially a sickness in our souls who must be cleansed." Colorado Senator (Majority Leader) John Morse. 2013

"No one in this country should have guns." Superior Court Judge, Robert C. Brunetti, Bristol, CT. September, 2013

#32 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-08-07 10:06 AM | Reply

I don't believe people should be able to own guns." President Barack Obama, during conversation with economist and author John Lott Jr. at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s

www.theguardian.com

The evidence: According to a man who served as a professor at the University of Chicago simultaneously with Obama, the president-to-be said "I don't believe people should be able to own guns." Meanwhile, in an exclusive at the ever-entertaining conspiracy website World Net Daily, writer Bob Unruh claims to have uncovered "Obama's secret plan to ban guns".

Hold on a second ... Unfortunately, the source of the Obama quote isn't exactly neutral. He's John Lott, an energetic gun-rights campaigner and author of the books More Guns, Less Crime, Straight Shooting, and The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong. The chief evidence for the "secret plan", meanwhile, is that the head of the organisation Gun Owners of America "says there is no doubt" that he has such a plan. The same man also says that he "can see [Obama] telling gun stores... 'you can't sell rifles [that use large magazines] or I'm pulling your license." So the secret plan to ban guns a) exists only in a gun activist's mind, and b) even in that imaginary form, isn't actually a plan to ban guns.

MY WORDS FOLLOW
Strike one Mustang.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-07 10:37 AM | Reply

I took a lot of swings. I only need one hit to refute the statement.

#34 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-08-07 10:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If I could have gotten...an outright ban – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' – I would have!" Senator Diane Feinstein

www.politifact.com

The YouTube video makes it clear that the interview is about the assault weapons ban. The term "assault weapon" is uttered in the first sentence, just as the video clip shows Feinstein hoisting up a semiautomatic weapon at a press conference.

Nowhere in the short piece or the full interview does Feinstein discuss banning "all guns" as Cruz claimed.

Feinstein does say in the TV interview that she wanted to ban all assault weapons, regardless of when they were made.

STRIKE 2.

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-07 10:45 AM | Reply

Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option." Andrew Cuomo

www.nytimes.com

"I don't think legitimate sportsmen are going to say, ‘I need an assault weapon to go hunting,' " he said. At the same time, he noted that he owns a shotgun that he has used for hunting, and said, "There is a balance here -- I understand the rights of gun owners; I understand the rights of hunters."

In the interview, Mr. Cuomo did not offer specifics about the measures he might propose, but, while discussing assault weapons, he said: "Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option -- keep your gun but permit it."

Mr. Cuomo said it was highly unlikely that lawmakers would reach a deal on new gun laws in the coming days, dismissing as unfounded suggestions that legislators would be called back to Albany as early as this week for a special session devoted to the subject of gun control.

STRIKE 3 YOU'RE OUT OF THERE Mustang. That's just the first 3. You've got bupkiss too.

#36 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-07 10:52 AM | Reply

Liberals don't want to take all guns or even most guns. They want some common sense regulations in place like registration, proper licensing, stricter penalties for illegal possession, and some liability for people who just let their kids take their guns. - #12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-08-06 01:32 PM

Maybe you and Snoofy should have a discussion as to why you think that Liberals are ok with the "50 people who are going to kill themselves with guns today."

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-08-07 11:34 AM | Reply

I'm more interested in why you are okay with it Avigdore.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 12:22 PM | Reply

I'm more interested in why you are okay with it Avigdore. - #38 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 12:22 PM
But not interested enough to actually find out if I am or am not ok with it before making a false claim, eh?
Same ol' Snoofy.

#39 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-08-07 12:29 PM | Reply

"But not interested enough to actually find out if I am or am not ok with it."

You have a position?

That's hilarious.

Gather round, Avigdore is going to announce his position!

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 12:49 PM | Reply

Why would I need to announce a position when you've pre-assigned it?
Why do you continue to assign people positions that they haven't taken, Snoofy?
At least you didn't lie about a statement I made like you did
JeffJ, so maybe you're getting a tiny bit better.

#41 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-08-07 01:07 PM | Reply

Private citizen with a permit for concealed carry effectively using a handgun is why this wasn't a bloodbath.

Thank God this wasn't a gun-free zone, it would have been much worse.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-08-07 01:35 PM | Reply

16
Pot, kettle, black.

#17 | POSTED BY Comrade Willow

Don't you have a Q (see KKK) rally to attend?

#43 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-08-07 01:53 PM | Reply

#42 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

If only republicans weren't so against the original intent of the second amendment; otherwise we could have everyone legally armed and well trained like the vigilante was.

#44 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-08-07 02:02 PM | Reply

"Why would I need to announce a position when you've pre-assigned it?"

Exactly!

What would you possibly gain by setting the record straight? It does not fit your MO.

If you never take a stand, no one can ever ask you to explain it. So you never take a stand. You just nip at the ankles of those who do, while liberally spreading your Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

So glad we cleared all that up!

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 02:17 PM | Reply

I'll take a stand. I'll set the record straight.
Here is my position:
Snoofy lies and assigns people positions that they have not taken.
So glad we cleared all that up!

#46 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-08-07 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'll take a stand. I'll set the record straight.
Here is my position:
Snoofy lies and assigns people positions that they have not taken.
So glad we cleared all that up!

Comrade Avigdore
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
So Snoofy bests you in an argument, you then prove his point in response, and then claim some sort of victimhood? Are every last one of you alt-right rubes over sensitive snowflakes???? As one of your heroes is famous for saying "suck it up buttercup!"

#47 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-08-07 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here is my position:
Snoofy lies and assigns people positions that they have not taken.

#46 Avigdore, It's called verbal Judo. Use your opponent's words against them. The way to defend yourself from it is to not tell lies, or stretch the truth, or be a dissembling rat-fink to begin with. Elso, you're simply making a mark out of yourself. Then you'll crawl away sobbing that Snoofy was being a meanie to you.

Now, this is different from what Goatman practiced. He made arguments up out of thin air and expected his victim to do the legwork and jump through hoops to prove him wrong. The catch was, he'd never acquiesce that he was wrong and you've just wasted 8 hours of your day playing hopscotch with a dissembling liemonger.

#48 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-08-07 05:42 PM | Reply

And I say that as someone to whom Snoofy has attempted to start an argument with several years ago over something so --------- trivial that it'd be embarrassing to bring it up again. If you don't want to fight, just tell him so. He's a big boy.

It was over the way homeless street people in Seattle run over pedestrians with their bicycles. I mentioned I was astonished more of them weren't killed weaving in and out of traffic. Well this set Snoofy off. But after a couple back-and-forths, we both had a greater respect for each other in the end (I think).

So, Avigdore, don't be a bitch. Just be a man and state what you believe. If it's crapulence, surely your sins shall find you out.

#49 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-08-07 05:48 PM | Reply

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