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The 1st Congressional District of Hawaii is about as far from Washington, D.C.'s pitched political battles as you can get -- not typically seen as a national bellwether. Yet the race for the congressional district, centered in southern Oahu, is one of several competitive elections that has attracted the attention of big-money lobbyists seeking to influence the direction of American health care policy.

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Hawaii's 1st District seat, which was vacated by incumbent Democratic Rep. Colleen Hanabusa, who is running for governor, has attracted six serious candidates to the Democratic primary in this reliably blue district. According to documents obtained by The Intercept, at least three of the candidates took time out from their schedules to talk to a consultant dispatched by the Healthcare Leadership Council, a lobbying group that seeks to advance the goals of the largest players in the private health care industry.

Now, the 1st District candidates working with the Healthcare Leadership Council -- former state Sen. Donna Mercado Kim, Hawaii Lt. Gov. Doug Chin, and Honolulu City Council Member Ernest Martin -- are taking heat from their opponents for talking to an industry-friendly group, even as public opinion is increasingly rallying to positions opposed by giant health care companies.

"Democrats running in a primary election will say they support ‘Medicare for All,' but what do they say to lobbyists behind the scenes?" said Kaniela Ing, a state lawmaker vying for the 1st District seat on a democratic socialist platform, warning of Democrats who make progressive promises when campaigning, but then work hand in hand with industries when in office. "We need health care champions, not puppets."

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I'm not actually shocked by this. Hillary had both a public and a private policy, and we all know it was all about corruption. The sums of money are simply huge, so of course they attract the worse villains.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-08-05 02:33 PM | Reply

Hillary had both a public and a private policy...

I'd like to put this meme to bed. Many folks have a public and private policies. For instance, I'm personally conservative, but publically liberal. I won't put my wife/gf into a position to have an abortion, and if she ever became pregnant and wanted to keep it, I'd support it. However I realize that some people might not see it that way in their situation and would choose to abort it.

I'm conservative with saving my own money, but liberal with taxes for public works and safety-net programs, even though I've never had to use them.

I'm conservative about the environment, but libertarians believe they can to whatever they want with property within their purview, such as dumping hazardous waste, polluting or diverting streams, etc.

I'm conservative when it comes to firearm rights, but liberal when it comes to who can get them. There ought to be more credentialing when it comes to ones' personal arsenal.

Etc. That's what Mrs Clinton meant by having a public/private policy. In other words, you can be a stereotypical conservative with your own habits, yet support liberal/progressive policies for the future.

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-08-05 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"...we all know it was all about corruption."

The same "we" who have been going after HRC for 30 years, with less charges filed (zero) than in the average week for the Trump orbit.

#3 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-08-05 02:50 PM | Reply

People who think politicians lead are confused. We lead, the politicians follow. When enough of us demand Medicare for all, we'll have Medicare for all. FDR said it; i.e. "make me." That's how it gets done. If you are waiting for some politician to just hand you what you want you will wait in vain. Demand it. Was Civil Rights handed to black people? Yeah right. After they protested, rioted, voted and demanded it. We will get Medicare for all when enough of us finally wake up and demand it, not a minute sooner. Politicians are wind vanes, they feel the breeze and point that way, we are the breeze.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2018-08-05 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm not actually shocked by this. Hillary had both a public and a private policy, and we all know it was all about corruption. The sums of money are simply huge, so of course they attract the worse villains."

So totally owned by the talking point writers and so without a single real thought. Hillary Clinton was never a force for evil and always worked to help the American people. The right has investigated her probably more than any other person has ever been investigated and they found NOTHING! They hate her because she tried to create a national healthcare plan. They have attacked her ever since. I remember these things because I'm older than most of you. It was her healthcare plan they based their attacks on. It was the success of her husband that they hated her for (and still do). The Clintons made the Republicans look pathetic and hypocritical and they could never forgive them for that. Newt Gingrich is still today trying to recover from the ass whipping Bill Clinton gave him back in the 1990's.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2018-08-05 03:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Hillary had both a public and a private policy, and we all know it was all about corruption."

Weak.

Not even an attempt was made to substantiate the claim of corruption, because it's an Article of Faith for weak-minded conservatives.

Meamwhule, conservatives have a public policy of no abortion for anyone, but will pay for it when their daughters and mistresses get pregnant.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-05 04:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's so funny that when two Sens like Bernie and Hillary vote the same way 93 percent of the time, one of them is a Saint and the other is Satan in a pantsuit.

Well, more stupid than funny.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2018-08-05 04:41 PM | Reply

Etc. That's what Mrs Clinton meant by having a public/private policy. In other words, you can be a stereotypical conservative with your own habits, yet support liberal/progressive policies for the future.
#2 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST AT 2018-08-05 02:43 PM | FLAG:

What a load of crap. Your opinion on a topic shouldn't change just because who your audience is. That has absolutely nothing to do with personal beliefs.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-05 09:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Laura, you're being ovely doctrinaire.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-05 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

*overly. (Not "ovary.")

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-05 09:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Your opinion on a topic shouldn't change just because who your audience is."

Not opinion; policy. It's like privately knowing someone is an idiot, but publicly being civil.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-08-05 09:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

People are extremely valuable. I think the average person adds almost a million dollars of value to the economy over the course their lives above their expenses. And Americans aren't cheap, from birth to death. What kind of idiot wants to throw that away? How can anyone not support decent free medical care? That's like not believing in unions or public education or... damn. Roads? Clean water? The electric grid?

Yeah, we need to push harder. It really is time to get this done.

Also, enforce the border and tariff the slave nations instead of subsidizing them. Yeah, yeah, that makes me a Nazi, I know, but there it is. I mean, maybe that will change them and they will raise wages if we cut them off. I mean, countries like Mexico should be as rich as we are. How can Canada be rich and not Mexico? That makes no sense.

#12 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-08-06 01:54 AM | Reply

What a load of crap. Your opinion on a topic shouldn't change just because who your audience is. That has absolutely nothing to do with personal beliefs.
#8 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR
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Laura, stop being a ding-bat. I'm sure you believe in ------------ in private, whereas in public, you wouldn't do such a thing.

I can easily be comfortable in a privately conservative code of ethics for my life without forcing others around me to do the same thing.

That's why you and Boaz butt heads so much of the time. (Well, that and other reasons I'll leave to the imagination, and a Hannibal Lecter Sequal). You both think you can force the world into your little nice and neat peg blocks of behavior. It won't work. And never will. You're wasting your vote, wasting your energy, and worse, wasting your precious little time left on this Earth to do something good and worthwhile with your life.

#13 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-08-06 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

and worse, wasting your precious little time left on this Earth to do something good and worthwhile with your life.
#13 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

Ouch!

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-08-06 06:57 PM | Reply

Medicare for all is for Dems was outlawing abortion is for the GOP. It will never get resolved because it is an easy talking point to run on.

#15 | Posted by ihatethedotard at 2018-08-07 12:22 AM | Reply

Medicare for All is at least currently Constitutionally permissible though...

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 12:44 AM | Reply

"Medicare for All is at least currently Constitutionally permissible though...
#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

It will be funny when the Left resorts to quoting Stand Your Ground statutes to claim that abortion is protected under the law.

#17 | Posted by ihatethedotard at 2018-08-07 12:57 AM | Reply

Castle Doctrine doesn't apply to somebody inside your body?

How about Duty to Retreat, where are you supposed to retreat to??

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 01:00 AM | Reply

#18 Dude. The PENIS.

#19 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-08-07 01:39 AM | Reply

How can Canada be rich and not Mexico? That makes no sense.

Different cultures. That's why.

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-07 12:03 PM | Reply

Saying one thing and then doing another is the problem. Hillary would say she supports something and secretly knowing she does not. And then gets elected and votes some other kind of way. She basically only says what she thought people wanted to hear to get elected.

That's a snake. That's evil. People are tired of that.

Say what you want about Trump, but he had done, or tried to do, everything he said he would. That's why he got elected and that's why he will do two terms.

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2018-08-07 12:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Saying one thing and then doing another is the problem. Hillary would say she supports something and secretly knowing she does not."

Which has never been a problem for you when a GOP Congressman's daughter or mistress needs an abortion.

You're just making up dumb reasons to support voting against her. Stick with the Supreme Court thing; that isn't a pathetic lie.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-07 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Say what you want about Trump, but he had done, or tried to do, everything he said he would. That's why he got elected and that's why he will do two terms.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-08-07 12:07 PM | REPLY

No he won because Hillary sucked that bad. Bernie wipes the floor with him.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-07 12:17 PM | Reply

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-08-05 02:43 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive | Newsworthy 3

This is a very good explanation of how a politician must behave to get elected. They have to bend, not break but they need to bend. They desperately need to appeal to as many people as they can to get elected. And if that means compromise, so be it, as long is its in the realm of their constituency.
And a very good explanation, Mad.

The problems I had with Hillary wasn't really anything to do with what you mentioned.
I took issue with the relationship she had with bankers in PRIVATE. This isn't so much to do with purity in politics as it is to do with what happened in 2007/2008. The crimes committed by these parasites and the bailouts that we funded were still fresh in the minds of Americans. And we can travel the low road where Trump chose not to be transparent with his finances as an example of him doing similar but I've come to a point that I expect better. The next real problem with Hillary was the complete disaster created in Libya. Then to add insult to injury, she laughed about having Gaddafi killed in a globally televised interview. To be honest, at some point Hillary lost her humanity as I saw it. Not to be rude or arrogant, I simply lost any connection to her and my party that I belonged to since I was 19 years old. (that's 30 years for anyone interested)

And while we're being honest, no, Donald trump isn't acceptable as President. in my eyes he's been a total embarrassment.

#24 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-08-07 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 Thanks, Lfthndthrds. Hillary pulled some silly stunts trying to schmooze with various groups, like the carrying of hot sauce in her purse debacle. Even though people in general play stupid, it's inherent in human nature to detect --------. Some people detect it better than others. And like George Carlin said, "Americans prefer their -------- front-and-center, and the more ridiculous, the better." Or something like that.

I don't care if Hillary Clinton money to fund her campaign. She was playing by the rules as they are set up as of now. Maybe one day we'll change the way campaigns are funded and make them funded out of the general US treasury. Until then, we're ------. ------ by a bribery system that has its tentacles so deeply ingrained in our political system that almost precludes any form of government being elected except for a Plutocracy/Oligarchy for the next 50 years. And by then I'll be dead and buried and it won't matter anymore, except for my progeny.

So, I tell them what my Grandmother told me: Save your money. Put it in stocks. You never know what's going to happen. She lived frugally and left me a tidy nest egg she'd been saving for her entire life to fund her retirement. I didn't know she had it, so upon her death, her CPA called and told me about it. I almost fainted. But she was a teenager during the Depression and knew without money, in this country, you're ------.

#25 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-08-07 01:48 PM | Reply

Saying one thing and then doing another is the problem. Hillary would say she supports something and secretly knowing she does not. And then gets elected and votes some other kind of way. She basically only says what she thought people wanted to hear to get elected.
That's a snake. That's evil. People are tired of that.
Say what you want about Trump, but he had done, or tried to do, everything he said he would. That's why he got elected and that's why he will do two terms.

#21 | POSTED BY BOAZ

That sounds more like Trump's record. He would support LGBTQ. Renegotiate Trade Deals. Balance the budget. Pull out of the Middle East. Fix the trade deficit with China. And my favorite, Build a Wall and have Mexico pay for it.

And we have Hillary's record as a Senator where that really didn't happen.

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-08-07 01:51 PM | Reply

Saying one thing and then doing another is the problem.
#21 | POSTED BY BOAZ

And you say you're not a racist but then you do things that prove otherwise.

#27 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-08-07 02:00 PM | Reply

Say what you want about Trump, but he had done, or tried to do, everything he said he would. That's why he got elected and that's why he will do two terms.

Posted by boaz

How is that Great Wall coming along? A bit like Obama closing Gitmo, I see.

How is that whole Repeal and Replace nonsense coming along? Still trying to figure out how to do that? Dang! Who knew that health care was so complicated!

Has he banned all the Mooslims yet? He was gonna do that on day one.

How is that DACA disaster coming along? All better now I hear. Good work Humpy!

Got that whole immigration thingy worked out and fixed have ya?

How is that VA coming along. Only Trump can fix it ya know.

And it's really good to know that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat to anyone. Yup Trump fixed that so good!

And you know we really love how he FIXED that horrible Iran nuclear deal. That was a much better plan he came up with than Obama.

Pure Stable Genius! Most of all I love how he stopped apologizing and made America hated by everyone in the world (well, except by the strongman dictators whom Trump admires) again. Being loved and admired by the world was getting old.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-08-07 03:12 PM | Reply

So, I tell them what my Grandmother told me: Save your money. Put it in stocks. You never know what's going to happen. She lived frugally and left me a tidy nest egg she'd been saving for her entire life to fund her retirement. I didn't know she had it, so upon her death, her CPA called and told me about it. I almost fainted. But she was a teenager during the Depression and knew without money, in this country, you're ------.

#25 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-08-07 01:48 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

I had to chuckle at this part. It reminded me of my grandmother who also grew up in the depression. When my family was young we used to have her over on Sundays for dinner. If the wife threw a piece of used aluminum foil in the trash my grandmother would casually walk by and retrieve it, wash it, fold it up and put it in her purse. That's the mindset of people who grew up not knowing where their next meal was coming from. She deboned her whole chicken for frying and the bones were for soup. coffee was used twice with a few freshening up grounds. etc...

#29 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-08-07 03:36 PM | Reply

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