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Thursday, August 02, 2018

While EPA's announcement is great news for oil-rich countries who enjoy selling their products to the United States, the U.S. auto industry doesn't appear to giving this announcement its full backing. When California and the federal government doesn't agree it creates havoc in the automakers industry. The Global Automakers released this single statement: "Automakers support continued improvements in fuel economy and flexibilities that incentivize advanced technologies while balancing priorities like affordability, safety, jobs, and the environment. With today's release of the Administration's proposals, it's time for substantive negotiations to begin. We urge California and the federal government to find a common sense solution that sets continued increases in vehicle efficiency standards while also meeting the needs of America's drivers."

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All automakers who sell cars in the United States should be required to offer a coal powered version. That would make as much sense as this idea from the EPA.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2018-08-02 12:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

another thread where the usual "principled" DR "conservative" will show up and eagerly stab States Rights to death.
Cause liberuuls

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-08-02 12:52 PM | Reply

California is ready for you Humpy.

Bring it. In fact, we are itching for a fight.

And this fight is one I guaranGodDamTee Humpy will lose.

The Blue Wall will not be breached. California will stay strong for America until we can rid our country of this nitwit.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-08-02 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I know I always love it when a stinky truck pulls up next to me. I breath deep and think America! What a country!

And now we will get even more stinky trucks on the road. And just think, now our children and children's children will also be able to enjoy our wonderful stink. This will keep their lungs strong ad healthy! (or they will die, whatever, survival of the fittest you know)

What a historic President. Thank you President Trump. Some people just don't appropriate how much of a Stable Genius you really are.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-08-02 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

appropriate = appreciate

(damn it siri pay attention! write what I mean not what I say!)

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-08-02 01:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I sure miss dirty Diesel exhaust. That smelt soooo gooooooooooooooooddddddddddd

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-02 01:31 PM | Reply

Funny how the EPA is gearing its rationale on market terms, rather than technical terms. American automotive engineers are up to the task, as are their counterparts world-wide.

For now, I'm having a hard time getting my mind around The Dotard's strategy: gas prices are rising, vehicle costs are rising, auto efficiency will be in check, the only infrastructure anyone is talking about is a wall (not roads), and wage rates are scarcely moving up. In other words, it will cost more to buy, operate and maintain a car in the US. And this is making this country great? Not...

#7 | Posted by catdog at 2018-08-02 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Funny how the EPA is gearing its rationale on market terms, rather than technical terms. American automotive engineers are up to the task, as are their counterparts world-wide.

For now, I'm having a hard time getting my mind around The Dotard's strategy: gas prices are rising, vehicle costs are rising, auto efficiency will be in check, the only infrastructure anyone is talking about is a wall (not roads), and wage rates are scarcely moving up. In other words, it will cost more to buy, operate and maintain a car in the US. And this is making this country great? Not...

#7 | Posted by catdog

Seriously. It's called the ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY. Trump's appointees run it like the POLLUTION PROFITEER PROTECTION AGENCY.

But hey, those evil liberals want to protect the environment, therefore protecting the planet is evil, therefore virtuous people should do their best to destroy it.

If it upsets liberals, it must be good.

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-02 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr

You do? I get stuck behind one daily. There are so many around here it isn't funny. Post warranty people gut the emissions controls so they can "roll coal" or just for all the power and there are a lot of diesel trucks around here...

#9 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-08-02 02:05 PM | Reply

If it upsets liberals, it must be good.

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Like kidnapping and caging innocent children.

It really upsets us so it must be good.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-08-02 02:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

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You do? I get stuck behind one daily. There are so many around here it isn't funny. Post warranty people gut the emissions controls so they can "roll coal" or just for all the power and there are a lot of diesel trucks around here...

#9 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2018-08-02 02:05 PM | FLAG:

Oh yesssssssssssssssss it's glorious dear. Absolutely glorious.

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-08-02 05:21 PM | Reply

Everyone is free to purchase a car that exceeds the standards.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-02 05:27 PM | Reply

Laura you should go out and buy a weed whacker or leaf blower with a two-stroke engine.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-02 05:34 PM | Reply

EPA Wants to Rollback Auto Fuel Economy Standards

Why? So -------- can make more money selling gas? (Petrol for British and Commonwealth members).

This is about the ignerntest thing I've heard yet come out of the Tramp Misadministration. And that's saying something.

Every time I think of that human fart factory I remember him making fun of that paralyzed journalist -- flailing his arms around and speaking with the Mongoloid voice. What a sock cucker.

#14 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-08-02 05:36 PM | Reply

Particulates from diesel fumes are not good for the lungs. That's an area where the US is more strict than Europe. Our diesel burns much cleaner.

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-02 05:38 PM | Reply

Particulates from diesel fumes are not good for the lungs. That's an area where the US is more strict than Europe. Our diesel burns much cleaner.

#15 | Posted by visitor_

Many industrial biproducts are not good for your health. If you care about that, you should never vote for republicans. They don't give a damn.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-02 05:41 PM | Reply

Now that I think about it, this is the 2nd most ignorant policy. Stealing, separating, and losing immigrant kids from their parents is 1st.

#17 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-08-02 05:41 PM | Reply

Everyone is free to purchase a car that exceeds the standards.

#12 | Posted by visitor_

One of government's jobs is to protect its citizens from being harmed by other citizens.
If your car exhaust stayed in your house, I wouldn't have a problem with you buying a gas guzzler. But it doesn't. It harms, and kills others.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-02 05:43 PM | Reply

Darn those crafty Republicans for creating the EPA.

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-02 05:45 PM | Reply

So a freeze to keep at the current standards is a rollback?

#20 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-08-02 05:46 PM | Reply

Darn those crafty Republicans for creating the EPA.

#19 | Posted by visitor_

The republican party has changed a little since the 60's. They used to be the anti-racist party and wanted to protect us from russian attacks too.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-02 05:57 PM | Reply

My one car that guzzles gas a 35 mpg could easily be offset if you leftists would all buy electric or hybrids. If buy them, they'll make them.

To quote one of the greatest minds to blog these pages:

"Choices will always have to be made but the choices should be made by consumers who pay for the goods. I trust the consumer to make intelligent choices..."

#22 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-02 05:58 PM | Reply

So a freeze to keep at the current standards is a rollback?

#20 | Posted by MSgt

Yes the the future goals are being rolled back.

Just like if you were supposed to get a raise at taco bell next year, and then they said you weren't going to get that raise next year or maybe ever. You could say your raise was rolled back.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-02 05:59 PM | Reply

"Choices will always have to be made but the choices should be made by consumers who pay for the goods. I trust the consumer to make intelligent choices..."

#22 | Posted by visitor_

Consumers make intelligent choices for their own wallet. The only way to make them do that is to include the cost of environmental damage in the price at the pump, which would add $3.80 more per gallon. You ready to pay that? Otherwise you're only paying part of your gas costs, and the remainder of the cost is being paid by total strangers having to move inland, being sickened by pollution, or having their farms wiped out by droughts. Why are you so happy to mooch off total strangers?

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-02 06:01 PM | Reply

How about reasonable standards that can demonstrably be met instead of ones that are dependent on engineering improvements may not be possible or affordable? It does not make sense to meet standard and have a vehicle that only the 1% can afford, unless that was always the intent.

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-02 06:06 PM | Reply

How about reasonable standards that can demonstrably be met instead of ones that are dependent on engineering improvements may not be possible or affordable? It does not make sense to meet standard and have a vehicle that only the 1% can afford, unless that was always the intent.

#25 | Posted by visitor_

The first computers cost tens of thousands of dollars. Now you can get one brand new for $800

Same applies to green tech.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-02 06:08 PM | Reply

I'm ok with a 10 billion dollar per gallon tax on private jet fuel.

#27 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-02 06:08 PM | Reply

I'm ok with a 10 billion dollar per gallon tax on private jet fuel.

#27 | Posted by visitor_

Republicans are more likely to repeal all tax on private jet fuel. Sounds like you need to switch parties.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-02 06:12 PM | Reply

The first computers cost tens of thousands of dollars. Now you can get one brand new for $800
Same applies to green tech.

That must be why cars are so much more affordable now then they were a generation ago. It also explains why healthcare keeps getting less expensive each year.

#29 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-02 06:14 PM | Reply

If your car exhaust stayed in your house, I wouldn't have a problem with you buying a gas guzzler.

Neither would I. In fact, I'd show up and press the accelerator for him.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2018-08-02 06:17 PM | Reply

Ouch Joe! That's good case for all electric.

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-02 06:21 PM | Reply

than

#32 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-02 06:23 PM | Reply

That must be why cars are so much more affordable now then they were a generation ago. It also explains why healthcare keeps getting less expensive each year.

#29 | Posted by visitor_

Cars are more expensive because of inflation. wgntv.com

And the cheap cars now have the tech that used to be in the expensive cars.

Healthcare is more expensive because every martin skrelli sociopath has identified it as an area they can easily get rich from scamming sick people.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-08-02 06:51 PM | Reply

"The first computers cost tens of thousands of dollars. Now you can get one brand new for $800
#29 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ "

Meanwhile, in the health care industry,

Pyrimethamine was discovered in 1952 and came into medical use in 1953.[1][4] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the most effective and safe medicines needed in a health system.[5] In the United States in 2015 it was not available as a generic medication and the price was increased from 13.50 USD to 750 USD a tablet (75,000 USD for a course of treatment).[6][2][7] In other areas of the world it is available as a generic and costs as little as 0.05 to 0.10 USD per dose. en.wikipedia.org

"In the United States in 2015... the price was increased from 13.50 USD to 750 USD a tablet"
"In other areas of the world it is available as a generic and costs as little as 0.05 to 0.10 USD per dose."

"In the United States in 2015... the price was increased from 13.50 USD to 750 USD a tablet"
"In other areas of the world it is available as a generic and costs as little as 0.05 to 0.10 USD per dose."

"In the United States in 2015... the price was increased from 13.50 USD to 750 USD a tablet"
"In other areas of the world it is available as a generic and costs as little as 0.05 to 0.10 USD per dose."

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-02 09:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"It does not make sense to meet standard and have a vehicle that only the 1% can afford, unless that was always the intent.
#25 | POSTED BY VISITOR_"

Funny you should spew such retarded nonsense, Visitor_, it sounds an awful lot like the guy who jacked up the price on pyrimethamine. You might recognize his name, especially if you are a Wu-Tang fan:

"Martin Shkreli, CEO of Turing, defended the price hike by saying, "If there was a company that was selling an Aston Martin at the price of a bicycle, and we buy that company and we ask to charge Toyota prices, I don't think that that should be a crime." en.wikipedia.org

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-02 09:10 PM | Reply

"I trust the consumer to make intelligent choices..."

Like paying for a necessary medication, regardless of the cost?
Congratulations, you have acquired sufficient pieces of the puzzle to allow you to figure out why health care costs so damn much.
Now, if you'd like to try putting the pieces together, stop eating the paste, and we'll see if we can get a grown-up to help you with that.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-02 09:22 PM | Reply

This merely a green light to crank up fuel prices.

Anyone noticed the new Trump-era gas prices, lately??

Cough. Cough.

#37 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-08-03 09:16 AM | Reply

Come on, y'all.

We all know by now, or should know, that electric cars were doomed to fail from the outset. Anyone honestly believe big oil/big government would ever allow it, or that car manufacturer's have been seriously pursuing the technology?

Does anyone recall a guy named Stan Meyer who, in the late 80's & early 90's, invented a way for a combustible engine to run on only water? I actually remember seeing a news report on it and thinking, naively, 'holy crap, how great is that, and how it could revolutionize the world!'

Of course, Stan Meyer died in 1998. Well, died may not be the best word to use, as he was dining in a restaurant, suddenly rushes out of the door holding his throat & said, 'they poisoned me', and dropped dead on the sidewalk.

Conspiracy theory? Maybe so, maybe not. But, one should wonder why our government recently made it law that all patent requests on invention's must go thru them for approval?

#38 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-08-03 04:43 PM | Reply

"invented a way for a combustible engine to run on only water?"

LOL

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-03 04:48 PM | Reply

37

Cough. Cough. Cough.

Anyone old enough to know gas prices, which are based on the value of a barrel of crude oil, have dropped & sky-rocketed during every president's term in everyone's lifetime?

Anyone understand how it is OPEC who decides how & when they want to raise or lower these prices? Or, how a US president has little, if any, control over it?

Just ask Jimmie Carter.

#40 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-08-03 04:51 PM | Reply

My one car that guzzles gas a 35 mpg could easily be offset if you leftists would all buy electric or hybrids. If buy them, they'll make them.
#22 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

They do make them, and I have bought two of them (I have two Nissan Leafs). I bought an old one (50 mile range) for $5k. I bought a new one (100 mile range) for $17.5k.

The problem is that car companies do not want to make them because they are too reliable. Basically the only consumable parts are the tires and windshield wipers (the batteries degrade over time, but not nearly at the rate the nay-sayers want to think they do, and that is improving rapidly as battery tech advances). Also, you barely even use brakes because of regenerative braking. Dealerships and car manufacturers rely on the replacement parts for their profits. That is why they don't want to develop electric cars... because it breaks their business model.

That is why Tesla is going to eat their lunch. Once Tesla gets the Model 3 production fully ramped up the other car companies are gonna start really hurting.

#41 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-08-03 04:52 PM | Reply

"Or, how a US president has little, if any, control over it?"

Invading Iraq showed the President has a lot of control over it.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-03 04:53 PM | Reply

"The problem is that car companies do not want to make them because they are too reliable."

Yep.

I don't know how true it is, but I remember hearing that the Fuller Brush Co. went under because their brushes were so good, everyone who bought one from that door to door salesman didn't need to buy another one ever. So sales eventually fell off.

Apple and Microsoft have the same problem, their "competition" is old versions of their products, but Moore's Law keeps them viable for now.

Cars that don't need new belts, sensors, fluids, filters, etc. are going to make a lot of jobs go away.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-08-03 04:56 PM | Reply

How about reasonable standards that can demonstrably be met instead of ones that are dependent on engineering improvements may not be possible or affordable?

We successfully planned and executed a program to go to the moon within a decade.

Because incentivizing big problems leads to big solutions that ripple far beyond their immediate applications.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2018-08-04 12:52 AM | Reply

If they could put a man on the moon, why can't they mass produce a car that comfortably seats 5, meets all pollution and safety regulations, costs 25,000, can accelerate to highway speed on typical ramps and get 60 mpg?

Repeal the second law of the Dynamics while you're at it.

#45 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-04 01:17 PM | Reply

Thermo Dynamics. Auto correct.

#46 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-08-04 01:20 PM | Reply

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