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Friday, July 27, 2018

Every year, thousands of women suffer life-altering injuries or die during childbirth because hospitals and medical workers skip safety practices known to head off disaster, a USA TODAY investigation has found. These are not complicated procedures requiring expensive technology. They are among basic tasks that experts have recommended for years because they can save mothers' lives. Yet hospitals, doctors and nurses across the country continue to ignore them, USA TODAY found. As a result, women are left to bleed until their organs shut down. Their high blood pressure goes untreated until they suffer strokes.

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They die of preventable blood clots and untreated infections. Survivors can be left paralyzed or unable to have more children.

The vast majority of women in America give birth without incident. But each year, more than 50,000 are severely injured. About 700 mothers die. The best estimates say that half of these deaths could be prevented and half the injuries reduced or eliminated with better care.

Instead, the U.S. continues to watch other countries improve as it falls behind. Today, this is the most dangerous place in the developed world to give birth.

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USA!

USA!

USA!

We're #1 !!

Best health care in the world!*
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*(women and children not included)

#1 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-27 12:12 AM | Reply

The more Americans I meet the more I am happy about this statistic.

#2 | Posted by bored at 2018-07-27 02:55 AM | Reply

*(women and children not included)

#1 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-27 12:12 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

*9plus TT&L, all rebates apply, not available in most areas)

#3 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-07-27 08:29 AM | Reply

They die of preventable blood clots and untreated infections. Survivors can be left paralyzed or unable to have more children.

WOW, that must happen a thousand times every day.

#4 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-07-27 01:28 PM | Reply

"WOW, that must happen a thousand times every day."

More like every year.
Not like you care either way.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-27 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I guess it depends on the how you define "Developed Nation"

www.theguardian.com

South Africa - #125
Brazil - #92
Argentina - #89
China - #74
Cuba - #73 (Michael Moore told me it has awesome socialized healthcare)
Jordan - #64
Russia - #62
Ukraine - #61
Kuwait - #54
Romania - #53
Costa Rica - #52
Belarus - #44
USA - #39

Ireland #6 and Italy #1 are among European nations with the lowest abortion rates and strictest laws. So they are unrelated.


#6 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-07-27 04:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

We're #39!
We're #39!
#MAGA

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-27 04:11 PM | Reply

The article insinuates it's lack of medical attention post delivery. I suspect a big problem is the lack of maternal care prior to delivery. Even with great maternal care is freely available like through Louisiana's medicaid program, it underused by many mothers. There is also an element of illicit drug use prior to delivery. Undisclosed drug use prior to delivery puts the mother at risk of withdrawal post delivery.

I'm sure there's vast improvement that can be made by hospitals but the mothers have to do their part also.

#8 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-07-27 04:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#8,

What did you expect? A liberal rag to actually tell a fair story? Or skew the story to fit their "America is bad" narrative?

And you wonder why Trump is so successful at giving the media a bad name? It's because they deserve it.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2018-07-27 08:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And you wonder why Trump is so successful at giving the media a bad name?

He's so good at it he's got FOX News defending CNN. Now that takes talent.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-07-27 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Because when I think of great medical care, I don't think Cedars-Sinai or Mayo Clinic.

I think Louisiana Medicaid.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-27 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Comrade Boazo giving Comrade JimmyG a "handy"!

Get a room fellas, preferably in Russia!

#12 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-27 09:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What did you expect? A liberal rag to actually tell a fair story? Or skew the story to fit their "America is bad" narrative?

#9 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-07-27 08:31 PM | REPLY | FLAG"

The link in #6 is to the Guardian where it is reports the findings of a study published in The Lancet, one of the world's oldest and most prestigious medical journals. That the US ranks 39th in the world for maternal mortality is not fake news or bias reporting, it is a fact.

Here is a different report and source:

www.npr.org

I would not normally introduce Trump into this topic, but since you have, I'll add that Trump only succeeds in giving the press a bad name with people like yourself - those who clearly do not wish to think for themselves and are happy to swallow his lies as gospel truths. I don't know if you think of yourself as a patriot, but you don't do yourself, nor your country, any good whatsoever by seeking to dismiss as fake news serious systemic problems - in this case in healthcare.

#13 | Posted by Foreigner at 2018-07-27 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"Because when I think of great medical care, I don't think Cedars-Sinai or Mayo Clinic.

I think Louisiana Medicaid." - Snoofy

So Snoofy, you seem to agree with me that the left's Medicaid for all position is idiotic.

What you apparently don't understand is that it provides prenatal care that a lot of people don't take advantage of even though it's free. That's not a problem with healthcare delivery, it's a problem of personal responsibility.

#14 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-07-28 08:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

James - Where is your proof that any, much less some significant number, of these deaths from blood clots and infections are a result of mothers not seeking out free prenatal care?

Failing any legitimate source for your apparent claims, ehy are you so apt to blame the victims instead of our obviously terrible medical system?

#15 | Posted by JOE at 2018-07-28 08:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I merely said there are other causes other than those mentioned by the article.

I guess you missed the part where I said "I'm sure there's vast improvement that can be made by hospitals..."

#16 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-07-29 07:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"the article insinuates it's lack of medical attention post delivery. I suspect a big problem is the lack of maternal care prior to delivery. Even with great maternal care is freely available like through Louisiana's medicaid program,"

Which they refused to expand even when the federal government was going to pay for it thereby leaving thousands of women without any sort of coverage and thus allowed them to go without prenatal care and thus caused their deaths. Own it conservatives, you caused the deaths of thousands of women giving birth and their babies too. I want you to remember that when you try to sleep tonight. Own it.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-29 08:22 AM | Reply

"I guess you missed the part where I said "I'm sure there's vast improvement that can be made by hospitals...""

The stupidity of that comment would cause any normal person to never post here again, but it won't for JGE, because he is an super stupid person. He goes to levels of stupidity that have never before been traveled. Super Stupid?

#18 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-29 08:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I merely said there are other causes other than those mentioned by the article.

I guess you missed the part where I said "I'm sure there's vast improvement that can be made by hospitals..."

#16 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-07-29 07:05 AM | Reply

Why are those other causes so much worse in America than, say the UK? Do you believe Americans are inherently more prone to drug use? Lazier about getting "free" per-natal care?

When you propose alternate causes, think through what your implications are and what the likelihood of those differences being so much worse in the US than the 38 countries ahead of it on the list.

Here's another article on the topic that delves a little deeper into the data: ArsTechnica

A quote: "At dozens of hospitals in New York, Pennsylvania, and the Carolinas, fewer than half of mothers were given prompt medication for dangerous blood pressure levels that put them at risk of having a stroke or seizure, the documents revealed. At some hospitals, the rate was less than 15 percent. For instance, at Women's Hospital in Greensboro, one of the largest birthing hospitals in North Carolina, staff failed to give timely blood pressure treatment to 189 of 219 mothers between October 2015 through June 2016, according to internal documents.

While high blood pressure is one of the top causes of maternal deaths and complications, experts estimate that up to 60 percent of hypertensive deaths are preventable."

Here's another:
"In a 2015 webinar hosted by influential trade association the American Hospital Association, a trainer talked bluntly to hospital maternity staff about maternal deaths and injuries. 'What we know about those deaths is that most of them were absolutely preventable," the trainer said. "They were from causes that we could have done something about. We could have prevented it if we had recognized the emergency early on.'"

This is a health care delivery problem, pure and simple.

By the way, the Guardian article you quoted in #6 is from 2008 - well out of date. As it happens, I looked at a few in the Lancet article the USA Today article used for its rankings. Both Belarus and Ukraine are now ahead of the US, as they improved and we got worse. I didn't look at the others.

#19 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2018-07-29 08:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Both Belarus and Ukraine are now ahead of the US, as they improved and we got worse. I didn't look at the others."

Totally amazing and sad at the same time. But hey, our billionaires got a tax cut, yay!

#20 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-29 09:17 AM | Reply

and now some right wing fool is going to bring up the idea that is unfair of us to expect billionaires and millionaires to pay a higher percentage of income that the rest of us. They are idiots and can't be helped with information because they reject it.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-29 09:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Which they refused to expand even when the federal government was going to pay for it thereby leaving thousands of women without any sort of coverage and thus allowed them to go without prenatal care and thus caused their deaths."

Danni you keep proving how ignorant you are with your comments. Louisiana expanded Medicaid. You are always making ---- up. Your ignorance does not change the facts.

#22 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-07-30 07:19 AM | Reply

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