Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, July 13, 2018

Special Counsel Robert Mueller released an indictment today of 12 Russian intelligence officers, accusing them of hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC). ... This indictment serves as a firm foundation for subsequent indictments for any Americans' collusion with the Russians (i.e., conspiracy or complicity liability). Roger Stone appears particularly vulnerable. The fact that Stone was in communication with Guccifer 2.0 (and Wikileaks, though that's not mentioned in the indictment) is old news. But the indictment alleges that Stone was at the relevant times "in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump." That exposes the campaign itself -- as an organization -- to potential criminal liability as well as those unnamed senior members of the campaign.

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So much for "nothingburgers," eh?

#1 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-07-13 11:23 PM | Reply

Santa Clause and Rigor mortise will be here before there is evidence of Trump colluding with Russia is found.

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-07-13 11:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

www.justice.gov

"There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. "

Maybe something changed between then and now, in which case I would like to know about it.

#3 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 12:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

inb4 "crossposting russian bot XDDDDDDD"

Since these threads seem to be proliferating, I'll cast a wide net.

#4 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 12:29 AM | Reply

LOL, SURPRISE!!! Mueller is Santa Claus and RR is Rigor!!!

You, your kind, and your traitorous political party are in for a real bad decade, starting now! Enjoy. :)

#5 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-14 12:31 AM | Reply

inb4 "crossposting russian bot XDDDDDDD"
Since these threads seem to be proliferating, I'll cast a wide net.

#4 | POSTED BY Comrade DRPIERCE

Glad you are outing yourself, it must be refreshing to tell the truth for once in your life.

#6 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-14 12:34 AM | Reply

Try re-reading the information presented in #3 before responding again, brainlet.

#7 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 12:42 AM | Reply

Someone is mad I didn't read his propaganda. What a typical alt-right snowflake! Poor pooty Poot!

#8 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-14 01:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity.

Nor is there any information at all to suggest that there were unwitting participants in the alleged unlawful activity. This is part of why today's report is significant. Anyone who considers this the end of the investigation, and the last of the indictments, is not paying attention. This was an incredibly specific, well-detailed indictment. Tip of the iceberg.

There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. "

There is no allegation that the charged conduct did NOT alter the outcome of the 2016 election, either. Jumping to either conclusion is speculation, which is also not included in the indictment. But knowing this, and seeing the response of the GOP at large, sure causes plenty of people to wonder why they're being so buggy about it. Maybe they have something to hide.

#9 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-07-14 01:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

>Nor is there any information at all to suggest that there were unwitting participants in the alleged unlawful activity.

I'm just posting things that my (our?) government has publicly released. Which, by the way, refute your comment.

"There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. "

> Anyone who considers this the end of the investigation

would be a fool, because democrats are obviously going to try to milk this for everything it's worth (spoiler alert: nothing) right up to the midterm elections.

> There is no allegation that the charged conduct did NOT alter the outcome of the 2016 election, either

I wish you good luck in trying to prove that negative.

#10 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 01:27 AM | Reply

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Alright, so, I guess what you have left is that some people (how many?) unwittingly provided support for russian intelligence. These unwitting participants must have contributed to Trump's election. You've made the assertion, so please try to prove it.

#11 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 01:33 AM | Reply

would be a fool, because democrats are obviously going to try to milk this for everything it's worth (spoiler alert: nothing) right up to the midterm elections.

---- off moron.

And righty who after years of investigating every Dem they could who suddenly finds themselves all for quick and half asses investigations can ---- off. You pathetic sacks of ---- aren't worth the oxygen you waste breathing.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-14 01:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Any righty...

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-14 01:35 AM | Reply

kek

You drunk, bro?

#14 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 01:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you are, this is a good song I think you'll like.

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#15 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 01:49 AM | Reply

Republicans -
Watergate. Ends justifies the means - if we had Fox in 1972, Nixon would never have resigned.
Iran/Contra - Ends justifies the means - Ollie North is now the president of the NRA after a lucrative job at, you guessed it, Fox. Only the finest people.
Iraq War - Ends justifies the means - bonus points for creating the endless war on "terror."
Torture - Ends justifies the means - just call it "enhanced interrogation"

At this point, there is no reason to trust that Republicans will do anything about the Russia attacks, is there? Ethics don't seem to be their strong point.

#16 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-07-14 02:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I wish you good luck in trying to prove that negative.

I don't have to prove anything. The allegations and the indictment are clear. They don't allege things one way or another outside the scope of what they allege. So, any conclusion regarding "collusion or no collusion" is purely speculation.

Calling for the investigation to stop is something guilty people do. Smoke...fire...drawing conclusions beyond what is in the indictments is speculative either way. Human behavior is often telling, and usually guilty people go after the investigators when they're up the creek.

I will wait to see the evidence. It's not looking good for the GOP so far.

#17 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-07-14 02:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Draw your own conclusions. The FBI works methodically. What they are not saying is as relevant as what they are saying.

#18 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-07-14 02:28 AM | Reply

> The allegations and the indictment are clear

"There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. "

kek approves of this thread.

#19 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 02:37 AM | Reply

I almost forgot to upload my images. Kek be praised.

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#20 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 02:42 AM | Reply

I almost forgot to upload my images. Kek be praised.
Comrade Pierce

Kek? Please! Admit it Skipjack, Putin is your deity!

#21 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-14 02:54 AM | Reply

I almost forgot to upload my images. Kek be praised.
Comrade Pierce

Kek? Please! Admit it Skipjack, Putin is your deity!

#22 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-14 02:58 AM | Reply

> doubleposting

kek

#23 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 03:14 AM | Reply

"because democrats are obviously going to try to milk this for everything it's worth (spoiler alert: nothing) right up to the midterm elections"

I can gaurangoddamntee that. And you are a fool if you think this is just another Nothing Burger. This is serious stuff. Conspiracy to obstruct and collusion with a hostile foreign power while they attacked us.

We now have undeniable truth that the Russians attacked us and tried to work with the Trump campaign and Donald Trump was aware of it as tried to cover it up.

The end is near.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-14 03:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Santa Clause and Rigor mortise will be here before there is evidence of Trump colluding with Russia is found.

#2 | POSTED BY SAWDUST AT 2018-07-13 11:36 PM | FLAG: | NEW

B careful what you wish for. The rigor mortise you seek may be your own. The rest of the facts will be coming out soon. If the past is prologue Mueller will drop the next bombshell just before the next elections. The timing has been real interesting so far. Especially if Mueller has determined Trump or anyone close to him was involved in this conspiracy.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-14 03:35 AM | Reply

"Kek"

A minion of Gozer, herself a minion of the Alt-Right.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-14 07:03 AM | Reply

The end is near.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy

I agree. Someone is going to be hit by a train and, rather than a slow-moving freight, Mueller's investigation has moved with the speed of the mag-lev.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-14 07:06 AM | Reply

The Russian plot thickens. We should not harbor any illusions that we have a democracy to preserve. The Podesta emails revealed that the Democratic Party primary was anything but democratic. Republicans too, have a decades long history of cheating.

How do we fix it?

Revert to paper and soft pencil based election ballots. Make it a felony to destroy any of those ballots for one year after every national election.

Eliminate the electoral college.

Put a stop to gerrymandering.

Actually prosecute partisan interference in free and fair elections and all violations of election laws. If that can include some of these Russians, fine. But it is unlikely the net effect of all the Russians on the 2016 election was as important as the effect of Republican conniving. I'm still suspicious that Cohen paid for some of this Russian hacking, which would put Republicans back in the drivers seat. No Republican in the Republican controlled Congress wants to permit the investigation to go in that direction.

To restore any semblance of democracy, we should prosecute DNC officials as vigorously as any RNC officials, for violations of the law. Some laws and punishments may need to be improved or increased. For example mandatory 10 year prison sentence for prematurely destroying ballots. This has never happened because these players occupy positions of power and no one in a position of power wants to disturb the illusion of our alleged democracy.

#28 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-14 07:43 AM | Reply

"There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. "

None of that precludes future indictments from potentially making those claims.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 09:56 AM | Reply

"None of that precludes future indictments from potentially making those claims."

But he has to pretend it does. If you listen closely, he's whistling past the graveyard.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-07-14 10:02 AM | Reply

For Dr. Pierce:

Russia Indictment 2.0: What to Make of Mueller's Hacking Indictment

Second, the indictment leaves open the possibility of conduct by Americans not described in this document. While the document does not allege any American who corresponded with these entities knew that they were part of the Russian conspiracy, it also does not say that they did not know or suspect these entities were part of a Russian operation. It leaves that question, about these actors and others, for another day. This document alleges that Americans -- including at least one individual who was closely connected to the Trump campaign -- had contact with the charged conspirators. Whether they did so with sufficient knowledge or criminal intent, and whether they took the necessary affirmative steps to create legal liability, is simply not addressed in this indictment. It clears no one, and it actually places publicly reported conduct in a more sinister light by clarifying that the individuals in question were, in fact, in contact with Russian conspirators, knowingly or otherwise.

In other words, stay tuned. This indictment represents a tightening of the ring in the story of criminal prosecution for the 2016 election hacking. The government has now alleged that the social media manipulations by Russian actors constituted a criminal conspiracy. It has alleged as well that the hacking of Democratic Party and Clinton campaign emails were crimes conducted by officers of the Russian state. The question remains: Who, if anyone, helped?

www.lawfareblog.com

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 11:36 AM | Reply

"Santa Clause and Rigor mortise will be here before there is evidence of Trump colluding with Russia is found."

It could be pouring down rain but if the GOP said the sun is shining Sawdust would put on his sunglasses.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-14 12:02 PM | Reply

"To restore any semblance of democracy, we should prosecute DNC officials as vigorously as any RNC officials, for violations of the law."

I'd say that the level of criminality is far different. I understand Berniebots being bitter but Bernie was never going to win the Democratic nomination. Sorry but that is just the truth. And those same folks think we should nominate him in 2020, he would still lose. He's not a candidate that the majority of Americans will support. Hey, I like him and I voted for him in the primary but I realized that in the general election he had no chance of winning.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-14 12:09 PM | Reply

#33 | POSTED BY DANNI

i think Bernie would be the nominee without a doubt if he could get fair and equal coverage by the media. if he were allowed to explain what a 'free college' program might look like. universal healthcare is a plank in Bernies' platform..womens right to choose and his voting record and his civil rights record. Yeah, Bernie is the man

#34 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-07-14 01:36 PM | Reply

Yes Danni. The scale of criminality is completely different. It just important to recognize that if its actually legal to generate fake felon lists, it must become a felony, subject to a long prison sentence. .. and so forth and so on. Every State has their own rules, so it is a complex issue. Kathleen Harris behavior must be illegal. It must be illegal to storm an ongoing recount... etc, etc, etc.

Gerrymandering should be eliminated. The electoral college should be eliminated.

Tampering with votes requires ballot destruction unless the system uses computers. Computers should be removed from the system. This locks out ALL hackers.

#35 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-14 02:26 PM | Reply

"The Podesta emails revealed that the Democratic Party primary was anything but democratic."

Like the Democrats internal operations is anywhere near the same ballpark as GOP being aided and abetted by Russia by hacking the Democrats.

The Democrats played Domestic Checkers and the GOP is still playing Foreign Influence Chess.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-14 02:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

That was kind of weird. 12 Russian sekret agents who will never be extradited to face these charges are accused of having no impact on the election. Of course, none of it has anything to do with the e-mails downloaded from the DNC server that proved Hillary stole the nomination, but why should it.

And it's funny that we know who they are by name. How in bloody hell did we determine that?

This could completely blow up in Mueller's face if even one of them shows up and asks the court for disclosure and a speedy trial, just like at least one of those Russian corporations did when he ham-sandwiched them.

#37 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37 Dutch spy agencies passed FBI ‘crucial' intel on Russian election hacking: reports

Dutch intelligence officials provided the FBI with crucial evidence that helped pave the way for the bureau's probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to Dutch media reports.

The Volkskrant newspaper is reporting that officials with the Netherland's AIVD, the General Intelligence and Security Service, penetrated networks used by Russian hackers in 2014 and observed them subsequently breaking into networks used by the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

A similar report also appeared in Nieuwsuur, a Dutch current affairs television program, both resulting from a joint investigation by the two news outlets.

The Dutch intelligence officials made their way into networks used by cyber espionage group Cozy Bear, also known as APT 29, which has been linked by experts to Russian intelligence, possibly Moscow's Federal Security Service.

The Dutch were able to spy on the hackers for up to two and a half years, determining the location of their operations and also capturing the hackers on film, according to the reports.

thehill.com

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 02:46 PM | Reply

And the whole part about Guccifer 2.0 is weird. A lot of people, like me, think he was crated by the state department. The original Guccifer actually said that in an interview with a tech magazine, too.

And the timing is off for a lot of things in this article. For instance, Roger Stone was contacted by Guccifer 2.0 weeks after the DNC e-mails where released by wikileaks. The contact between Guccifer 2.0 and wikileaks seems not only very casual and brief, but they seem to think he might be a source, so of course they where set up too.

Remember, Guccifer 2.0 released the same DNC e-mail pdf that wikileaks did, 3 days later, but all the meta-data in it was altered to make it look like it was transmitted to Russia. Wikileaks can't do that. Whoever Guccifer 2.0 works for can.

#39 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 02:48 PM | Reply

New Report Says Dutch Have Absolute Proof Russia Was Behind 2016 Election Hacking

The Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant ("The People's Paper") has quite the intriguing story today. Apparently AIVD, the Dutch equivalent of the CIA, broke into the computer systems of a nondescript building in Moscow a few years ago. They had no idea what was there, but eventually they figured it out. It was the workplace of Cozy Bear, Russia's most infamous hacking group:

That's how the AIVD becomes witness to the Russian hackers harassing and penetrating the leaders of the Democratic Party, transferring thousands of emails and documents. It won't be the last time they alert their American counterparts. And yet, it will be months before the United States realize what this warning means: that with these hacks the Russians have interfered with the American elections. And the AIVD hackers have seen it happening before their very eyes.

... .The Cozy Bear hackers are in a space in a university building near the Red Square. The group's composition varies, usually about ten people are active. The entrance is in a curved hallway. A security camera records who enters and who exits the room. The AIVD hackers manage to gain access to that camera. Not only can the intelligence service now see what the Russians are doing, they can also see who's doing it. Pictures are taken of every visitor. In Zoetermeer, these pictures are analyzed and compared to known Russian spies.

www.motherjones.com

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah.
Facts.
Reality.
Good luck with that, Gal.
For many of us, that works.
It's even appreciated.
For some it just isn't going to make it through their carefully constructed fantastical world of denial and conspiracy.

#41 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-14 02:54 PM | Reply

Look, Gal what we have here is two different stories. In one, Trump is a Traitor. In the other, Hillary is Evil.

Both have issues.

For instance, if the "Deep State" existed, and it knew Trump was a traitor, Trump would already have faced extreme sanction.

On the other hand, we have very clear evidence of election tampering by Hillary. And remember, the "hacked servers" where all destroyed and never turned over to FBI or NSA. Instead, Hillary had CrowdStrike come in and declare it was Russia, then destroyed the servers. The guy who CrowdStrike is owned by is a Ukranian with a rabid hatred of Putin, and is also a member of the Atlantic Council. And it has been pointed out that the viruses they found had no access to the e-mail system, and the virus control node had been turned off since 2014 by it's server farm for being a known virus control node, and every tech magazine I read about Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear blows it out of the water.

But since all the evidence has been deliberately destroyed, the Dutch can say anything they want.

#42 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 03:14 PM | Reply

Thomas Rid @RidT

This DNC-didn't-give-the-server-to-the-FBI idea makes no sense.

Investigators want:
-- disk images of many machines *in the network*
-- memory dumps of *connected* boxes
-- the adversary's movement in situ (network logs)
-- other data, eg exfil behavior

*Not* some disconnected server

This situation btw is a great teaching moment for your next cyber security seminar -- or perhaps for a DFIR job interview: "I'm sure you heard of the idea that the DNC didn't hand ‘its server' to the FBI. What would you say in response?"

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

False dilemma logical fallacy.

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-14 03:22 PM | Reply

(#44 for #42)

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-14 03:23 PM | Reply

I can't believe it. In the biggest case of treason and treachery in the history of the United States of America, you believe the side that destroyed the evidence. And it has been shown how many times that mirrored data can be easily faked and altered? I even posted a story on that.

And it isn't the first time they have destroyed evidence. The same people involved in Russiagate also exonerated Hillary of e-mailgate, even pre-writing the conclusion of the investigation, and then altering the findings of investigation by one very important word, while Hillary wiper her private server, and there are still issues coming out about that.

#46 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 03:33 PM | Reply

Alrightythen...

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-14 03:44 PM | Reply

#47 Yep, the Dutch IC, the FBI, the CIA (as well as a bunch of other countries' IC around the world) were and are all in cahoots with Hillary and the DNC.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#47 Oh, and the Russians didn't hack the DNC. Nor did they hack various state election boards/officials. Also there was no collusion between Trump and the Russians. The numerous contacts between Team Trump and various Russians were all a deep state setup by folks in the FBI and CIA working with Hillary and the DNC. It's just too bad nobody in the FBI or CIA, who went to so much trouble to help Clinton and the Democrats, thought to leak the fact that the Trump campaign was under both a criminal and CI investigation before the election.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 03:59 PM | Reply

Exactly right, and sarcastically, ass-handlingly funny, Gal!

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-14 04:05 PM | Reply

"I'm sure you heard of the idea that the DNC didn't hand ‘its server' to the FBI. What would you say in response?"

"I'm unemployable!"
--HeliumRat

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-14 04:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Laughing at Comrade H-Rat, he is gone full Bill Hicks-Alex Jones on us.
Too cute!

#52 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-14 04:14 PM | Reply

#48 Where is this evidence? Where is any of it? You are posting some weird story about Russian actors hacking things, not Trump being owned by Putin. When will this insane hysteria end? When do we go after China for actual hacking crimes? Also, we need to nuke India because of the fake local news sites it created.

#53 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 04:29 PM | Reply

Oh dear.

#54 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-14 04:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And it has been shown how many times that mirrored data can be easily faked and altered? I even posted a story on that."

If CrowdStrike/the DNC did that, don't you think someone in the FBI would be smart enough to figure that out?

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 04:43 PM | Reply

"You are posting some weird story about Russian actors hacking things,"

www.justice.gov

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 04:44 PM | Reply

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

If the Deep State was real, and it thought Trump was a traitor, he would be dead. On the other-hand, we do have a small group of collaborators that are linked by either hatred of Trump or working closely with Hillary, many of whom seem to know each other, and they aren't answering questions to Congress or turning over documents requested by subpoena, and when they do they tend to black out the stuff damning to their side, as has been shown.

Now, where is the giant Nixon-esque cover-up machine on Trump's part?

#57 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 05:12 PM | Reply

A small group?
You said the Dutch were in on it, too, earlier.
It was world-wide.
So are you smarter than the FBI, or are they part of that "small group," too? You seem to have this all figured out.
Or is that small group so incredibly smart and diabolical they're running rings around all our intelligence agencies?
Dang it - wait. They're that incredible, but they failed to get Hillary elected? That doesn't make sense... unless -

Oh no. What is their end game?!!!?!??

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-14 05:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Giant Nixon-esque cover-up machine"

Do you mean a secretary to erase 17 minutes of audio recordings, or the tape recorder itself?

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-14 05:52 PM | Reply

Now, where is the giant Nixon-esque cover-up machine on Trump's part?

#57 | POSTED BY comrade H-Rat

Connect the dots Sparky. Besides, Mueller isn't done yet as he is laying the groundwork for his case connecting Orange Adolf, your beloved GOnP, and your mother Russia.

You are angry as Mueller is proving his iron clad case and are mad it's not it's not timely enough for you liking.

All of your spin, deflection, and fantasy scenarios are not going to change the fact that your hero Dotard, and your favorite political party (R) are ass deep in illeagal Russian shenanigans, and will eventually pay the price both politically and personally. Once that happens I expect you to fade away, when even you, cannot defend the indefensible anymore.

#60 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-14 05:57 PM | Reply

Also for H-Rat and his little alt-right friends.....

Scorecard so far:

Mueller investigation

32 indictments

5 guilty pleas

2 currently serving time

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

GOnP Benghaaaaaazzziiiiii investigstions "aka a real witch hunt"

ZERO indictments

ZERO guilty pleas

ZERO people serving time

Those FACTS speak volumes!

#61 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-14 06:05 PM | Reply

#61 | Posted by aborted_monson

None of which had anything to do with Trump being controlled by Putin, or Russia actually influencing our elections, which they didn't as the government just stated.

Try to keep in mind that about 600 public officials where jailed under Reagan, I think all of them for corruption. I think it's cool to cast a wide corruption net, but we are looking for the master level Pokemon trainer himself, Putin. And there doesn't seem to be any actual evidence you could take to court. In fact, it's rather easier to prove that the other side is doing something rather treacherous. Keep in mind that less than half of Americans now believe in Russiagate, and that number is dropping (the super-trend is definitely down).

#62 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 06:24 PM | Reply

Also for H-Rat and his little alt-right friends.....

Scorecard so far:

Mueller investigation

32 indictments

5 guilty pleas

2 currently serving time

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

GOnP Benghaaaaaazzziiiiii investigstions "aka a real witch hunt"

ZERO indictments

ZERO guilty pleas

ZERO people serving time

Those FACTS speak volumes!

#63 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-14 07:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#63 Dude. Tranquilizers. Seek help.

#64 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 07:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

None of which had anything to do with Trump being controlled by Putin, or Russia actually influencing our elections, which they didn't as the government just stated.

#62 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

The Senate put out a bipartisan report that the Putin and Russians did influence the election ...

www.usatoday.com

"The Committee concurs with intelligence and open-source assessments that this influence campaign was approved by President Putin," the senators wrote.

"Further, a body of reporting...showed that Moscow sought to denigrate Secretary Clinton."


That is as crystal clear as it can ever get.

Why are you saying otherwise?

#65 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-07-14 07:44 PM | Reply

#65 That's odd. Mueller said the exact opposite. Here is what Gal posted in #56

www.justice.gov

Also, if you listened to the press conference that creepy looking guy that works for Mueller said that Russia didn't influence the elections at all, and he says that in no uncertain terms. That was this morning, not as dated as your article.

Also, about a year ago the head of DHS told Congress that Russia never hacked our election systems, and the whole thing was bunk. I saw that on C-SPAN but only foreign papers in Europe, Israel, and Asia and some independent sites covered it, which tells me all I need to know about what is happening in the media.

#66 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 08:14 PM | Reply

#63 Dude. Tranquilizers. Seek help.

#64 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2018-07-14 07:43 PM | REPLY

I would like you to point out where he wasn't factual in his post.

#67 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-14 08:40 PM | Reply

#67 I can't believe you! He double posted a comparison between the Benghazi! BS and the Russiagate BS! That's called a "straw man".

But yeah, okay, I surrender to your superior logic. Obviously both things are identical. And while you are at it, why don't you just toss in Pizzagate and Chemttrails. Because that makes your argument even more solid.

#68 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 08:49 PM | Reply

He was proving that benghazi was crap, and russiagate isn't. Because the same idiots that clucked about the first one call the second a witch hun.
He dis yhat By using facts.
And that is all, your crazy theories and posting style aside.

#69 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-14 09:01 PM | Reply

"And while you are at it, why don't you just toss in Pizzagate and Chemttrails. "

That's an actual strawman. lol

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-14 09:02 PM | Reply

#70 So... any evidence other than what Hillary said that Trump is owned by Putin? Yet? Fine, whatever, keep going.

#71 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 09:07 PM | Reply

#65 That's odd. Mueller said the exact opposite. Here is what Gal posted in #56

www.justice.gov

#66 | POSTED BY HELIUMRA

It's not odd.

And I don't care what some pdf document posted says.

The USA Today link says Putin and Russia influenced the election and it's a reputable source, period.

Again, why are you saying that the government hasn't proved Russian meddling when the Senate report says that they did?

#72 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-07-14 09:07 PM | Reply

"70 So... any evidence other than what Hillary said that Trump is owned by Putin? Yet? Fine, whatever, keep going.

#71 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2018-07-14 09:07 PM | REPLY | "

Now you're moving the goal posts. I never said putin owns trump either, so i don't have to defend that position.

You're bad at this.

#73 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-14 09:12 PM | Reply

I never said putin owns trump either, so i don't have to defend that position.

Then you are pretty much alone on the DR Left, since that is moaned here on a daily basis.

#74 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-07-14 10:03 PM | Reply

There is no deep state...i'm tired and think it is time to go to sleep. Are you guys ((and gals)) tired too.

Sunday is a new day for more hacking and slashing at muh larp group in the forest

#75 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-14 10:19 PM | Reply

Steven Beschloss @StevenBeschloss

The level of detail in the "speaking indictment" of 12 Russian military officers is a turning point, a factual slap in the face to every GOPer who minimized or denied the criminal attack on America. They looked like traitors before, now we must ask how many committed crimes.
7:26 AM - 14 Jul 2018

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 10:50 PM | Reply

Caroline O. @RVAwonk

Caroline O. Retweeted Caroline O.
Now is a good time to remember that House Intel Republicans refused to subpoena Roger Stone to get his DM's with Guccifer 2.0.
1:45 PM - 13 Jul 2018

Caroline O. @RVAwonk

Ok, this is important --> Republicans on the House intel committee are refusing to subpoena Twitter for direct messages of Donald Trump associates, including Don Jr. (who DM'd with Assange) and Roger Stone (who DM'd with Russian cutout Guccifer 2.0).
1:18 PM - 25 Feb 2018

#77 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 11:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Scott Stedman @ScottMStedman

27 minutes. That is the amount of time it took for Russian military intelligence to release their most damaging stolen material on Clinton after the lewd Trump Access Hollywood tapes were released. 27 minutes.

#78 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 11:41 PM | Reply

Even the House GOP Intelligence committee isn't denying the Russians did it. The only thing they are denying is that any Americans were complicit and that the Russian active measures had any effect on the election results:

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Report on Russian Active Measures
March 22, 2018

(U) While the intelligence case for attribution to Russia is significant, alternative scenarios have been examined to include an insider threat or another cyber actor. No credible evidence was found supporting either alternative, including a review of information contained in classified intelligence reports.

(U) Finding #8: Russian-state actors and third-party intermediaries were responsible for the dissemination of documents and communications stolen from U.S. political organizations.

(U) Russian-state actors and third party intermediaries were responsible for the selective dissemination of information from hacked U.S. political systems. This represents a "significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort" in Russia's "longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order." It is therefore likely that high-level Russian government approval was required in both planning and execution of the operation.

docs.house.gov

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-15 12:10 AM | Reply

""""""A lot of people are concerned if I have any links to special services and Russia?

I'll tell you that everything I do I do at my own risk. This is my personal project and I'm proud of it. Yes, I risk my life. But I know it's worth it. No one knew about me several weeks ago. Nowadays the whole world's talking about me. It's really cool!

How can I prove this is true? I really don't know. It seems the guys from CrowdStrike and the DNC would say I'm a Russian bear even if I were a catholic nun in fact. At first I was annoyed and disappointed. But now I realize they have nothing else to say. There's no other way to justify their incompetence and failure. It's much easier for them to accuse powerful foreign special services.
They just ------ up! They can prove nothing! All I hear is blah-blah-blah, unfounded theories and somebody's estimates.

Specialists from Eastern Europe, Russia, China, India work for the leading IT-companies such as Google, IBM, Microsoft, Apple. There's no surprise that many hackers are descendants from these regions.

#80 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-15 12:14 AM | Reply

lets hack this to pin it on 33 or 12 or so russian bears..cozy....

#81 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-15 12:23 AM | Reply

######
Who inspires me? Not the guys like Rambo or Terminator or any other like them. the world has changed. Assange, Snowden, and Manning are the heroes of the computer age. They struggle for truth and justice; they struggle to make our world better, more honest and clear. People like them make us hope for tomorrow. They are the modern heroes, they make history right now.

Marcel Lazar is another hero of mine. He inspired me and showed me the way. He proved that even the powers that be have weak points.

#####

there is no deep state - go to sleep it is 1200 am in the eastern time zone - the white zone is for loading and unloading only- if you have to unload please go to the white zone.

#82 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-15 12:28 AM | Reply

More from the House GOP IC's findings:

(U) From their first appearances, both Guccifer 2.0 and DC Leaks sought to conceal their identities. During a media interview on June 21, 2017, Guccifer 2.0 identified himself as a Romanian "hacker, manager, philosqpher, women lover," and a "freedom fighter." Hefurther explained in broken English hls desire to follow in Marcel Lazar's (the original Guccifer) footsteps to "fight for freedom of minds-and for a world without illuminati."

docs.house.gov

#83 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-15 12:31 AM | Reply

@@@@@@

As for the DNC, first, the U.S. election race is one of the most exciting events that attracts people from all over the world. My hack wouldn't go unnoticed in any case. And now I have my own fans who put me in a line with Assange and Snowden, so my bet has played I think.

Second, the chain is no stronger than its weaker link. Marcel showed where the weak points could be and I found them.

Why did it take me so long to publish the documents? Well, it was pretty interesting to wait until I was discovered. Really, it took them much longer than I expected. It was like playing hide-and-seek; I had to pass from one machine to another inside the network to stay stealth. It was breathtaking! And of course I was waiting for an appropriate moment to speak loud.

@@@@@

content counts mfers

#84 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-15 12:32 AM | Reply

Rick Wilson @TheRickWilson

Rick Wilson Retweeted Smith
Color me SHOCKED

Smith @WriteSmitty

WikiLeaks Turned Down Leaks on Russian Government During U.S. Presidential Campaign

foreignpolicy.com

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-15 12:35 AM | Reply

&&&&&&

I don't want to disappoint anyone, but none of the candidates has my sympathies. Each of them has skeletons in the closet and I think people have a right to know the truth about the politicians.

As for me, I see great differences between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Hillary seems so much false to me, she got all her money from political activities and lobbying, she is a slave of moguls, she is bought and sold. She never had to work hard and never risked everything she had. Her words don't meet her actions. And her collusion with the DNC turned the primaries into farce.

Opposite to her, Donald Trump has earned his money himself. And at least he is sincere in what he says. His position is straight and clear.

Anyway that doesn't mean that I support him. I'm totally against his ideas about closing borders and deportation policy. It's a nonsense, absolute --------.

I have nothing to say about Bernie Sanders. It seems he never had a chance to win the nomination as the Democratic Party itself stood against him!

&&&&

end of a good dump or is that drumph!

#86 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-15 12:37 AM | Reply

I'd have no problem with Hillary and the DNC's emails being published if we had also gotten to see Donnie's and the RNC's. Or better yet, all 16 GOP candidates' stuff, plus both Dem candidates' as well as Stein's and Johnson's. And if we are going to see America's secret stuff, let's see Russia's too. Content matters but so does context and an equal playing field.

#87 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-15 12:41 AM | Reply

Unless someone stops Trump, the GOP and the Russians, Bernie won't have a chance in 2020 either. Unless, of course, Putin decides Trump and the GOP are useless to him... .

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-15 12:44 AM | Reply

&&&76667&&&ghghtgytgymnui(((%t55VVb

is a good password

fidomydog

is not.....

*******

Guccifer 2.0 hacked DCCC

Hi all!
It's time for new revelations now. All of you may have heard about the DCCC hack. As you see I wasn't wasting my time! It was even easier than in the case of the DNC breach.

As you see the U.S. presidential elections are becoming a farce, a big political performance where the voters are far from playing the leading role. Everything is being settled behind the scenes as it was with Bernie Sanders.

I wonder what happened to the true democracy, to the equal opportunities, the things we love the United States for. the big money bags are fighting for power today. They are lying constantly and don't keep their word. the MSM are producing tons of propaganda hiding the real stuff behind it. But I do believe that people have right to know what's going on inside the election process in fact.

To make a long story short, here are some DCCC docs from their server. Make use of them.

Special thanks to Nirali Amin for the list of passwords.

By the way, the complexity of the passwords leaves much to be desired.

Here are more docs from the DCCC server.

*******

as donnerboy says - get a good password and check it out on the many free security websites. i like bleeping computer.com

#89 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-15 12:44 AM | Reply

The Sunday Times @thesundaytimes

Britain is in high-level talks with Ecuador in an attempt to remove Julian Assange from its London embassy

Ecuador in talks to evict Julian Assange, its ‘stone in the shoe'

The South American state and UK ministers are trying to find a way to evict the WikiLeaks founder from its London embassy

www.thetimes.co.uk

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-15 12:54 AM | Reply

what about removing snowden too - trump will pardon both i reckon as the swamp is drained of ethically questionable creatures

#91 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-15 01:02 AM | Reply

1.) The Russians simply laugh and this 'indictments' fade away from memory

2.) The Russians hire lawyers and demand discovery, at which point Mueller and team will tuck tail and slink away with the press trying not to cover the story

92 | Posted by milkshake69 at

1) It's obvious that Mueller is laying the foundation for American conspiracy indictments. You've been too long as a "Republican" to understand competence when you see it.

2) Why would Mueller even open the door to discovery and what you predict will be immediate humiliation if he couldn't back it up? I mean, he's backed up everything to this point, which includes the point of powerful and loyal Trumpites pleading guilty.

#93 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-15 07:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Democrats have done more to shake everyone's faith in government than the Russians ever could.

#92 | Posted by milkshake69 at 2018

No that would be you and people like you.

You rise to defend the sleasiest, least honest, most greedy, least comepetent, most self-involved, least loyal president in American history.

You're a scabrous individual. No one works as hard as you do supporting obvious evil with out being obviously evil himself. I don't know what will happen in November, but according but you're stuck with being one more traitor regardless, assuming you even come from here.

Which I don't.

#94 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-15 07:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"According..."

Left that word in by accident. I was going to say that according to a year's worth of polls it's always been a minority who supports Donald the Trump, but I understand you place no faith in inconvenient polls, being who you are.

Neither do you place any faith in Amercian elections, which you know Trump is doing little and likely nothing to defend for this November. If Democrats do take back the House, or the Senate, or even seem like they might, Donald Trump is going to be making threats again relating to the legitimacy of the results and suggesting street remedies.

Just like the bastard did prior to November, 2016. With a few bastards here cheering him on.

#95 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-15 07:25 AM | Reply

As far as anyone knows...

You're paraphrasing your hero "It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK?"

You make as much sense as that babbling orange would-be despot.

#96 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-15 07:26 AM | Reply

Just can't find it in me to forgive all the Russia defenders here, they should give up their American citizenship because they are not Americans. Traitors defending their traitor President. Despicable scumbags. Party before country. My parents generation, The Greatest Generation would not have tolerated them in this nation. My generation is more forgiving, but not much. My Dad would have kicked the asses of people who defend Trump today. I kind of wish I could, if I could, I would.
My fellow Drudgers, we should not tolerate traitors in our presence. Neither here nor in the real world.

#97 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-15 01:56 PM | Reply

Comrade H-Rat is melting down and having a bad day, LOL. He doesn't like facts, as facts are not his or his side's friend.

Even fellow traitor FakeLawyer/Joe Dirt's one support post didn't help!

It's going to get much worse for the GOnP and their traitorous supporters, much worse! What's their excuse going to be when Roger Stone is the next domino to fall?

But but Hillary, but but Obama isn't going to cut it anymore, your whataboutism is dead alt-right nimrods.

The GOnP is a rabid and sick animal that needs to be "put to sleep" before it causes anymore damage to this country and the world.

Hopefully their is enough available jailspace to put all of the traitorous members of the Orange Adolf admin and the guilty members GOnP that are involved in the treason against the United States of America.

Trump/Prison 2020

#98 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-15 06:20 PM | Reply

Also Comrade H-Rat and his fellow traitors, READ the entire indictment.
ALL OF IT! Then maybe you'll be able to connect the dots better.

But, the again, you'll have to stop watching Fox News, Infowars, stop going to Breitbart, Stormfront etc etc for about 45 minutes to educate yourself with FACTS, and not the usual alt-right/Nazi/Russian propaganda you slurp up.

#99 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-15 06:28 PM | Reply

Hey comrade mutant, are you on a bad acid trip???? I can call the . Russian equivalent of 9-1-1 if you need help..... or not?

#100 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-15 08:31 PM | Reply

I honestly can't believe it. People are ready to go to war over something the actual professionals in their field would have sanctioned Trump for if they had any real belief it was real.

You have to understand the mindset of most of the people who volunteer. Yeah, you do get some psychos, but everybody just stares at them and tries to adapt or mention something maybe, and they do get removed. I actually saw one in my infantry squad. He played with dolls as a child. Barbie dolls.

So we are looking at a fantasy novel written by Hillary and a massive attempt to to the Trump campaign, and it has been proven over and over gain that US intelligence agency's where involved. And Hillary also used foreign intelligence assets, one of whom is currently (supposedly) in hiding, if not dead.

But yeah, Trump works for Putin because the Democratic nomination was revealed as a fraud, and when the Democratic party got sued over that, their defense was that they never guaranteed it would be democratic. And they won on that.

#101 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-15 09:22 PM | Reply

a massive attempt to damage the Hair. Sorry.

#102 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-15 09:25 PM | Reply

@ Comrade H-Rat, Hogwash!

Go read the full indictment of the 12 Russians. Don't just say you did when you didn't, read it word for word!

There.Is.More.To.Come! .....and your boy Orange Adolf is elbows deep in Russian! He is in bed with your daddy Vladdy Putin, the USA's sworn ENEMY!!!!! That.Is.Treason!!!!!

#103 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-16 02:42 AM | Reply

My bad trip was voting for hillary and then finding out about all this when she lost. That is what has changed my tune. If trump follows suit and starts up some silly wars my tune will change again. Anyone who can rake this much muck can actually be good for the country. Status quo was not working.

I think alot of this recent stuff is setting you diehards up for the concept of real treason. Just wait but it wont be pretty when she is convicted and hanged.

#104 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-16 12:06 PM | Reply

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