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A dozen Russian intelligence officers have been charged with conspiring to hack Democrats during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to a new indictment in the probe led by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. The 12 were members of Russian military intelligence, known as the GRU, and are accused of engaging in a sustained effort to hack the computer networks of Democratic organizations and the Hillary Clinton campaign. [developing]

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All 12 defendants are members of the GRU, a Russian federation intelligence agency within the main intelligence directorate of the Russian military, who were acting in "their official capacities."

Posted by gracieamazed at 12:21 PM | 0 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry |

A testimony to the utter bankruptcy of Donald Trump and his "presidency".

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-13 12:25 PM | Reply


BloombergTV is reporting that Dep AG Rosenstein has been seen with Pres Trump a lot before Pres Trump left for Europe, also that Pres Trump had been briefed of these indictments before he left for Europe.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-13 12:27 PM | Reply

"The indictment was announced at almost exactly the moment that Trump rolled into the quadrangle of Windsor Castle to meet the awaiting Queen Elizabeth II in the symbolic highpoint of his visit to Britain. It also emerged two days before Trump is due to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin -- who has denied election meddling -- in Helsinki for a summit that includes a one-on-one meeting with only interpreters present."

Rosenstein said he briefed Trump earlier this week before he left on his trip, so Trump knew this was coming and what the evidence in the case is.

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 12:36 PM | Reply


Here's the indictment...

in-browser view
apps.npr.org

downloadable
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4598895/DOJ-Russia-DNC-Hack-Indictment.pdf

#5 | Posted by lamplighter at 2018-07-13 12:42 PM | Reply

HMMM:

Jake Tapper @jaketapper

Indictment mentions (but doesn't name) a congressional candidate in August 2016 reaching out to "Guccifer 2.0" (really GRU) making "a request for stolen documents" about his or her opponent -- which GRU provided.
9:50 AM - 13 Jul 2018

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 01:01 PM | Reply

Double HMMM:

Jeremy Herb ‏ @jeremyherb

From indictment: "On or about 8/15/16, the Conspirators posing as Guccifer 2.0, wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump, 'thank u for writing back ... do u find anyt[h]ing interesting in the docs i posted?'"

twitter.com

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

More nothingburgers with indictment sauce.

#8 | Posted by Nixon at 2018-07-13 01:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"...the Conspirators used the same computer to operate the Twitter account @BaltimorlsWhr, through which they encouraged U.S. audiences to "[j]oin our flash mob" opposing Clinton and to post images with the hashtag #BlacksAgainstHillary."

I wish the indictment author had chosen a less racially specific example to include.

page 18 seems to show Organization 1 [WikiLeaks?] trying to amplify any conflict between HRC and Sanders.

#9 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 01:24 PM | Reply

Great point I just heard is how much cooperation between US Intelligence Agencies and our NATO partners was likely to bring these indictments - which might further explain Trump's animosity towards our Allies and NATO.

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-13 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Vlad will tell Donnie they did-int do it, and Donnie will say, "I buh-lieve you, darling!".

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-13 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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The massive attack on the elections of the United States continues to be ignored by the party that benefited.

Congress should be doing something about this. Instead the GOP is sending senators over to Russia to pal with Putin and coming home with talk he's not that bad really.

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2018-07-13 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 12

"I wish the indictment author had chosen a less racially specific example to include."

Now why would the DR's very own Russian agent provocateur wish for something like that?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 01:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

"I think it's an important step and shows that at the heart of the Mueller investigation is a set of serious questions and as I said, at the heart of it is criminal activity that occurred by the Russian government," Podesta said.

He added: "The President will have the opportunity to confront President Putin with that when he sees him on Monday. I don't hold out too much hope that he'll take this any more seriously than he has over the last 18 months."

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-13 01:50 PM | Reply

Pass the Nothing Sauce please!

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 01:51 PM | Reply

Donald J. Trump just got documented evidence presented to him that he has been lying to the Cameroonian People all this time.

Gee. I wonder what Humpy will do now?

Let me guess.

He will lie harder!

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 01:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

It's been shocking to discover that republican patriotism is all an act.

They're SOOOOO upset that a football player kneels during the national anthem, but they're just fine with letting our enemies screw with our elections.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-13 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

lol.

I am sure Trump has lied to the Cameroonian People, too.

But, I meant America. (thx siri)

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 01:54 PM | Reply

which might further explain Trump's animosity towards our Allies and NATO.
#10 | POSTED BY YAV

France and England apparently have quite a bit of information pushing this case, so I wouldn't doubt it.

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-07-13 01:55 PM | Reply


@#7 ... the Conspirators posing as Guccifer 2.0, wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump ...

My guess is that if Mr Mueller wrote that in the indictment, that Mr Mueller has copies of those contact messages and possibly more.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-13 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Say!

Where are all the Deplorables today?

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 01:55 PM | Reply

"page 18 seems to show Organization 1 [WikiLeaks?] trying to amplify any conflict between HRC and Sanders."

Yes:

Pwn All The Things @pwnallthethings

Organization 1 is Wikileaks

DMs between Wikileaks and Guccifer 2. Shows the mechanism by which hacked emails went from one to the other, that Wikileaks was actively soliciting emails, not merely passively in receipt of them, and that it had an overtly political agenda in doing so.

twitter.com

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 01:56 PM | Reply

The massive attack on the elections of the United States continues to be ignored by the party that benefited. #12 | Posted by rcade at 2018-07-13 01:49 PM

The attack was on the DNC and the DCCC.
Neither the DNC nor the DCCC are 'the elections'.

#23 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 01:58 PM | Reply

"My guess is that if Mr Mueller wrote that in the indictment, that Mr Mueller has copies of those contact messages and possibly more."

Pwn All The Things @pwnallthethings

This is Roger Stone

twitter.com

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 01:58 PM | Reply

Deputy AG Rosenstein: "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."

Oops.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-07-13 02:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

The massive attack on the elections of the United States continues to be ignored by the party that benefited.
Congress should be doing something about this. Instead the GOP is sending senators over to Russia to pal with Putin and coming home with talk he's not that bad really.

#12 | POSTED BY RCADE

It's hard not to look at Republican officials and hard-core Republican voters as traitors to their country now.

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-07-13 02:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2


@#25 ... Oops. ...

Why do you say that? Is the statement you quote in error?

I don't think it is. I think it is saying that this indictment is very specific against the entities mentioned in the indictment, and no one else.

Mr Mueller has the reputation of being very precise, and it shows here.

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-13 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The massive attack on the elections of the United States continues to be ignored by the party that benefited. #12 | Posted by rcade at 2018-07-13 01:49 PM"

For example:

"The attack was on the DNC and the DCCC.
Neither the DNC nor the DCCC are 'the elections'"

That's quite the strenuous ignorance from Avigdore.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He added: "The President will have the opportunity to confront President Putin with that when he sees him on Monday. I don't hold out too much hope that he'll take this any more seriously than he has over the last 18 months."
#14 |

I just flagged Mueller's timing as 'Newsworthy'.

#29 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-07-13 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The attack was on the DNC and the DCCC.
Neither the DNC nor the DCCC are 'the elections'.

#23 | Posted by Avigdore

ahhhh there you are!

Wow, that was weak comrade. Try again.

"The goal of the conspirators was to have an impact on the election." -Rosenstein

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I just flagged Mueller's timing as 'Newsworthy'.

#29 | Posted by schifferbrains

Very newsworthy. Is Rosenstein trolling Trump?

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 02:10 PM | Reply

Deputy AG Rosenstein: "There is no allegation in THIS indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."

Oops.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian

My emphasis included for clarity.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

MSNBC pointing out the correlation between:

"On July 27, 2016, Trump was speaking to a crowd in Doral, Florida, when he said: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 (Clinton) emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."

www.foxnews.com

And this from the indictment:

22. The Conspirators spearphished individuals af?liated with the Clinton Campaign
throughout the summer of 2016. For example, on or about July 27, 2016, the Conspirators
attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton?s personal of?ce. At or around the same time, they also targeted seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton Campaign.

www.justice.gov

There are no coincidences.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:12 PM | Reply

It's hard not to look at Republican officials and hard-core Republican voters as traitors to their country now.

They are traitors. I never thought I'd see the day.

#34 | Posted by rcade at 2018-07-13 02:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 11

-Oops.

#25

Mueller is documenting the base crime to which there could be collusion.

Dupes like Trump Deflections, Inc should know better.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-13 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's quite the strenuous ignorance from Avigdore. - #28 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 02:08 PM
Nope, I'm just not in the 'pretend that hacking the Democrats = hacking the election' boat.

"The goal of the conspirators was to have an impact on the election." -Rosenstein - #30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 02:09 PM
An impact on the election is also not the same as hacking the election.

#36 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 02:13 PM | Reply


@#25 ... Oops. ...

Interesting that you seem to be focused on the ~no Americans charged~ aspect.

Are you OK with the Russians hacking the United States so long as it doesn't involve any Americans committing a crime?

#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-13 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

* On pages 7 and 8, the indictment notes that on July 27, 2016, the alleged attackers targeted "for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by [Hillary] Clinton's personal office. At or around the same time, they also targeted 76 email addresses at the domain for the Clinton campaign." This stands out for one reason: it was on July 27, 2016, that Donald Trump publicly urged Russia to help his candidacy.

* On pages 15 and 16 of the indictment, Mueller alleges that an unnamed congressional candidate specifically requested information stolen by the Russians. If we find out who that candidate is – and whether he or she is currently a member of Congress – I can't wait to hear his or her explanation.

* On page 17, the indictment adds that the alleged attackers communicated in 2016 with an unnamed person "who was in regular contact with senior members" of the Trump campaign.

* On pages 25 and 26, the indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators "hacked the website of a state board of elections and stole information related to approximately 500,000 voters, including names, addresses, partial social security numbers, dates of birth, and driver's license numbers." It went on to say they also "hacked into the computers of a U.S. vendor that supplied software used to verify voter registration information for the 2016 U.S. elections."

* Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) this afternoon urged the president to cancel his summit with Putin in light of the new criminal allegations.

* As recently as a few hours ago, Trump, speaking from the U.K., called the investigation into the Russia scandal a "rigged witch hunt."

* If my math is right, the new total of individuals indicted by the special counsel's team is 32 people and three businesses – which suggests this really isn't a witch hunt.

Oh yes it is a witch hunt.... All of them just happened to be related in some way to the party of the biggest witch of all, DJT.

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-07-13 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

HMMM: - Indictment mentions (but doesn't name) a congressional candidate in August 2016 reaching out to "Guccifer 2.0" (really GRU) making "a request for stolen documents" about his or her opponent -- which GRU provided. - #6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 01:01 PM

I'm pretty sure that has already been exposed:
"Brian Mast consultant used hacked data"
www.tcpalm.com

#39 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 02:16 PM | Reply

"The attack was on the DNC and the DCCC.
Neither the DNC nor the DCCC are 'the elections'."

69. Defendants OSADCHUK and KOVALEV were GRU offcers who knowingly and
intentionally conspired with each other and with persons, known and unknown to the Grand Jury,
to hack into the computers of US. persons and entities responsible for the administration of 2016
US. elections, such as state boards of elections, secretaries of state, and US. companies that
supplied software and other technology related to the administration of US. elections.

Obiect of the Conspiracy

70. The object of the conspiracy was to hack into protected computers of persons and entities
charged with the administration of the 2016 US. elections in order to access these computers and steal voter data and other information stored on these computers.

Manner and Means of the Conspiracy

71. In or around June 2016, KOVALEV and his co?conspirators researched domains used by
US. state boards of elections, secretaries of state, and other election-related entities for website vulnerabilities. KOVALEV and his co-conspirators also searched for state political party email addresses, including altered queries for email addresses listed on state Republican Party websites.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

- this afternoon urged the president to cancel his summit with Putin in light of the new criminal allegations.

That was near the time Trump was saying he might agree with Putin to cancel US-NATO military exercises.

If it walks like a colluder and it talks like a colluder...

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-13 02:20 PM | Reply

#40 Also:

72. In or around July 2016, KOVALEV and his co-conspirators hacked the website of a state
board of elections and stole information related to approximately 500,000 voters,
including names, addresses, partial social security numbers, dates of birth, and driver?s license
numbers.

And there's more:

apps.npr.org

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:21 PM | Reply

Interesting that you seem to be focused on the ~no Americans charged~ aspect.
Are you OK with the Russians hacking the United States so long as it doesn't involve any Americans committing a crime? -#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-13 02:15 PM

I'm sure he's immensely more concerned that the President of the United States and his campaign have not (yet) been linked to any criminal activity regarding the elections. Russian interference is definitely the smaller of those 2 potential issues (and one which has already been linked in previous indictments).
The difference is between learning again that Russian bad guys behaved badly and learning that Americans have actually been traitorous. Surely you recognize the difference in levels of concern.

#43 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 02:22 PM | Reply


@#43

Nice try at spinning.

Careful, though, you might damage your rotator cuffs flailing your arms around like that.

#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-13 02:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

Manu Raju @mkraju

Another sign Mueller is light years ahead of Senate Intel and rest of Hill: Asked Warner what was new to him in the indictment and he said a "vast amount of information" is new to the Senate Intelligence Committee

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I'm just not in the 'pretend that hacking the Democrats = hacking the election' boat"

Because you're on the "pretend foreign activity was limited to DNC hacking, and I can't understand how anyone could call what Cambridge Analytica did hacking" boat.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 02:26 PM | Reply

The attack was on the DNC and the DCCC.
Neither the DNC nor the DCCC are 'the elections'.

#23 | Posted by Avigdore

The russians hacked voter roles, social media, and released supposed hacked info at particular times to influence our elections. That is hacking THE ELECTION.

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-13 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

An impact on the election is also not the same as hacking the election.

#36 | Posted by Avigdore

Give me a brea.

Semantics. Your constant state denial is duly noted Comrade.

They hacked the elections.

From the indictment:

In or around 2016, the Russian Federation (?Russia?) operated a military intelligence agency called the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff The GRU had multiple units, including Units 26165 and 74455, engaged in cyber operations that involved the staged releases of documents stolen through computer intrusions. These units conducted large-scale cyber operations to interfere with the 2016 US. presidential election.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

@#40& 42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:18 PM
Stealing PII is still not an attack on the election.
Elections where you go and vote to select a candidate? If they are alleging that GRU manipulated (changed, deleted, added) voter registration data, that would be an attack on the election, and I expect we'd see relevant indictments for that activity. Modifying the vote results would also be. Gathering data on voters isn't.

**Gotta go pick my kid up. Don't whip yourselves into a frenzy without me**
(Not targeted at you GT)

#49 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 02:29 PM | Reply

The difference is between learning again that Russian bad guys behaved badly and learning that Americans have actually been traitorous. Surely you recognize the difference in levels of concern.

#43 | Posted by Avigdore

If americans were assisting russian bad guys is that not traitorous?

Because many republicans know this is coming have resorted to saying "well collusion isn't illegal!"

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-13 02:29 PM | Reply

Even some {R}wingers are getting nervous.... it's an election year, ya know.

"Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., took a similar tack in urging Trump to take a firm line in Helsinki.

"All patriotic Americans should understand that Putin is not America's friend, and he is not the president's buddy," Sasse said. "We should stand united against Putin's past and planned future attacks against us."

The "President" is still trying to get a building permit from his buddy Vlad. He's been trying to get that since he went to Moscow in 1987, and then, curiously, decided to run for Pred the first time.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-13 02:30 PM | Reply

Spear phishing defined (Trend Micro link).

It is not a stretch to assume the Russiapublicans are compromised. You don't think that the GRU targeted ONLY the DNC email server, do you?

I hope Roger Stone was wearing his diapers today...

#52 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-07-13 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


@#42 ... And there's more: ...

To me it looks as if Mr Mueller is conducting a very methodical investigation.

Remember "follow the money" from Watergate?

To me it looks as if Mr Mueller, for this investigation, is following the information flow. He's started around the fringes, the little brooks of information and followed the flow downstream. Now it appears he is in the information stream at a point where multiple information brooks have merged.

He followed a similar pattern with the interviews, starting with lower-level people and working slowly and methodically towards the top of the hierarchy.

It will be interesting to watch what comes next. Of course, it may take a week or so to fully digest this current set of indictments.

#53 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-13 02:30 PM | Reply

What are people like Avigdore and Nullifidian going to do when Mueller drops a 100 count indictment on Trump? What will they possibly have to say then? Cuz it may well be coming. How far are right wingers willing to go in defending Trump no matter how damning the evidence against him and his associates is turning out to be? It is sickening. Unlike ANYTHING I have seen before.

#54 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-07-13 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Pred... should be Pres, but short for Predator werks, too.

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-13 02:32 PM | Reply

"All patriotic Americans should understand that Putin is not America's friend, and he is not the president's buddy"

Raise the Reset Button deflector shields!
Play the Obama hot mic tape at maximum volume!

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 02:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I'm sure he's immensely more concerned that the President of the United States and his campaign have not (yet) been linked to any criminal activity regarding the elections.

Like any criminal I am sure he is immensely relieved that he has not been caught yet.

The investigation still has a long way to go.

Surely you recognize the difference in levels of concern.

#43 | Posted by Avigdore

Trump knows full well he is lying off his ass. Lying to the American People about the threat and doing nothing to defend America from further attack IS an traitorous.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 02:33 PM | Reply

As long as we find out who murdered seth rich im all for indictment of antarcticans.

#58 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-13 02:35 PM | Reply

I'm surprised that Avidumb and Trumpifidian are the only members of the Traitor Brigade here so far. I guess Dead Breitbart hasn't had time to fully release Traitor Talking Points yet.

#59 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2018-07-13 02:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

More indictments against Russians. Yay!!

Now if they just connect the dots to ANY US person (or a citizen of a country with an extradition treaty with the US), then there may be a chance to actually try someone on this. Otherwise, I am glad awareness has been further raised about how much Russians want to interfere in US politics. I mean, we've had that awareness for a couple of years now, but man now we're super double plus + 1 times twelve aware!! Thanks Mueller team!!

#60 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-07-13 02:36 PM | Reply

In or around 2016, the Russian Federation (?Russia?) operated a military intelligence agency called the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff The GRU had multiple units, including Units 26165 and 74455, engaged in cyber operations that involved the staged releases of documents stolen through computer intrusions. These units conducted large-scale cyber operations to interfere with the 2016 US. presidential election.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 02:28 PM

At the very least, I hope the media stops using the tepid term "election meddling" and starts using something stronger and more accurate like "election interference".

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Lying to the American People about the threat and doing nothing to defend America from further attack IS an traitorous act.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy

(better)

#62 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 02:39 PM | Reply

"Now if they just connect the dots to ANY US person (or a citizen of a country with an extradition treaty with the US), then there may be a chance to actually try someone on this."

Patience. If there are such persons, Mueller is meticulously tracking them down, and I'm pretty sure that's why the GOP is working so hard to tarnish the SC and this investigation. I'm also pretty sure that's why the GOP is pushing so hard to shut the investigation down ASAP.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

More indictments against Russians. Yay!!

Now if they just connect the dots to ANY US person (or a citizen of a country with an extradition treaty with the US), then there may be a chance to actually try someone on this. Otherwise, I am glad awareness has been further raised about how much Russians want to interfere in US politics. I mean, we've had that awareness for a couple of years now, but man now we're super double plus + 1 times twelve aware!! Thanks Mueller team!!

#60 | Posted by Nuke_Gently

Yeah how are they ever going to connect those dots to a guy who said on tv that russians should release info on hillary, that he fired the FBI director for investigating it, or whose son admitted attempting to collude with russians?

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-13 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"I'm pretty sure that's why the GOP is working so hard to tarnish the SC and this investigation."

Everyone knows that is exactly what they are doing. That Ghouliani's full time job.

But, I have noticed that no one is questioning any of the indictments.

Pretty soon the mountain of evidence will be so large no one will be able question much by the time Trump (or his kids) are indicted.

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 02:45 PM | Reply

Enjoy the firestorm moscow.

#66 | Posted by Tor at 2018-07-13 02:46 PM | Reply

Nuke can't read very well:

* On pages 15 and 16 of the indictment, Mueller alleges that an unnamed congressional candidate specifically requested information stolen by the Russians. If we find out who that candidate is – and whether he or she is currently a member of Congress – I can't wait to hear his or her explanation.
I'm sure that candidate was one of the asylum seeking immigrants committing in-person voter/candidate fraud, right? Kobach must have told him so.

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-07-13 02:47 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure that has already been exposed:
"Brian Mast consultant used hacked data"

Confirmed:

CH Bacon @chbacon

Replying to @TheRickWilson
If you can't say the name, can you tell us what it rhymes with?

Rick Wilson @TheRickWilson

Rick Wilson Retweeted CH Bacon
Vast

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:47 PM | Reply

"Gathering data on voters isn't."

This is an incorrect statement.

Three first part of a hack into any system is called gathering Intel. This is often mostly gathering information on peoplein the system. It's called social engineering.

The voters are an integral part of the electoral system, and, therefore, gathering Intel on how to manipulate them is a hack into elections

#69 | Posted by RevDarko at 2018-07-13 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He who laughs last, laughs hardest:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

The new joke in town is that Russia leaked the disastrous DNC e-mails, which should never have been written (stupid), because Putin likes me
4:31 AM - 25 Jul 2016

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:50 PM | Reply

What are people like Avigdore and Nullifidian going to do when Mueller drops a 100 count indictment on Trump? What will they possibly have to say then? Cuz it may well be coming. How far are right wingers willing to go in defending Trump no matter how damning the evidence against him and his associates is turning out to be? It is sickening. Unlike ANYTHING I have seen before.
#54 POSTED BY MODER8

"The demagogue doesn't lead radicals, he radicalizes his supporters. With each outrage he drags them down by association until they feel they have no one else, and no one else will have them. It works." - Garry Kasparov

#71 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-07-13 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Trumplethinskin is never gonna live this down.

His legitimacy is dubious at best... he needed Russia to win... Red-state cry babies have screwed the nation... because they are stupid... too stupid to be well meaning.

#72 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-07-13 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The GOP sure better get Kavanaugh (sp?) confirmed soon before more indictments start rolling in, otherwise all their Trump mulligans will be for naught.

#73 | Posted by Sezu at 2018-07-13 02:55 PM | Reply

#60 | POSTED BY NUKE_GENTLY

Patience, NUKERS. Patience is a virtue.

#74 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-07-13 02:58 PM | Reply

It's been shocking to discover that republican patriotism is all an act.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

It's been a full eighteen years worth of shock now. They really had me snookered. I was naïve enough to take them at face value at one time. Now I know better. There's no forgiving them.

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-13 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#73 | POSTED BY SEZU

Any word on whether Kavanaugh would be willing to recuse himself from anything related to Trump and Russia?

#76 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-07-13 03:01 PM | Reply


What are people like Avigdore and Nullifidian going to do when Mueller drops a 100 count indictment on Trump?

#71 | Posted by schifferbrains

What they have to date I imagine. Neither one of them is from here.

#77 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-13 03:03 PM | Reply

www.nytimes.com

"If you ask an intelligence officer, did the Russians break the rules or do something bizarre, the answer is no, not at all," said Steven L. Hall, who retired in 2015 after 30 years at the C.I.A., where he was the chief of Russian operations. The United States "absolutely" has carried out such election influence operations historically, he said, "and I hope we keep doing it."

This is a dangerous game. Do you believe indictments of hacking elections done by US Gov't won't happen?

It should be an interesting court case considering the defendant would be stupid to show up in court, and the lawyers representing will appear and listen to how all the evidence will have to be presented in a closed court room so the US Public never sees it.

Unlike all the other people pleading guilty to assist, foreigners are not going to turn themselves in to US authorities.

#78 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From the CNBC account: "Rosenstein repeatedly emphasized that in this particular indictment, there is no allegation that these operatives had any effect on the outcome of the election. He also highlighted that Friday's indictment does not allege that any American knowingly participated in the Russian operation."

Collusion is an "intent" crime.

#79 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-07-13 03:03 PM | Reply

an unnamed congressional candidate specifically requested information stolen by the Russians.

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-07-13 02:47 PM | Reply | Fla

We'll get that name eventually. I wonder if he won that race, and how much Russian money he has towards re-election?

Pitchforks are appropriate for this cretin.

#80 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-13 03:06 PM | Reply

Collusion is an "intent" crime.

#79 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at

Follow the money. You'll find intent.

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-13 03:06 PM | Reply

It's tight Sphincter time for all of the alt-right nimrods and the traitorous Republican Party.

.....and it's only going to get worse for them.

Trump/Prison 2020

#82 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-13 03:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

www.cnbc.com

There were other States that experienced DHS' attempts.

DHS and Russia in cahoots.

#83 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:12 PM | Reply

"Any word on whether Kavanaugh would be willing to recuse himself from anything related to Trump and Russia?"

Don't know if there is any truth to this but:

Andrew C Laufer, Esq @lauferlaw

Further, CJ Roberts can force his recusal on /6

any #TrumpRussia issues. I have been told that the CJ has already done this with Gorsuch.

twitter.com

#84 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 03:13 PM | Reply

Which congressional candidates were working on the Trump campaign? Or was that just someone looking for oppo research from someone who she believed was a US person? Maybe Fusion GPS thought they were getting oppo research from US citizens as well.

#85 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-07-13 03:13 PM | Reply

Might just be wishful thinkinig; I don't know:

Andrew C Laufer, Esq @lauferlaw

I've been told that Gorsuch is sidelined on anything #TrumpRussia
10:21 AM - 6 May 2018
twitter.com

#86 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 03:15 PM | Reply

"We'll get that name eventually. I wonder if he won that race, and how much Russian money he has towards re-election?"

Rick Wilson says it is Brian Mast:

mast.house.gov

He has a stellar background, so maybe he contacted the FBI?

#87 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 03:22 PM | Reply

Collusion is an "intent" crime.

#79 | Posted by Nuke_Gently

"The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

Best
Rob Goldstone"

"Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,
Don"

I love how repubs still pretend like this never happened.

#88 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-13 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#40& 42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 02:18 PM
Stealing PII is still not an attack on the election.
Elections where you go and vote to select a candidate? If they are alleging that GRU manipulated (changed, deleted, added) voter registration data, that would be an attack on the election, and I expect we'd see relevant indictments for that activity. Modifying the vote results would also be. Gathering data on voters isn't.
**Gotta go pick my kid up. Don't whip yourselves into a frenzy without me**
(Not targeted at you GT)

#49 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

How is it every time you post, it's wrong? Literally every single time.

It's an election law violation. Especially the use and trade of such information.

#89 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-07-13 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

en.wikipedia.org

"The leaked contents, which suggested the party's leadership had worked to sabotage Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign, prompted the resignation of DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz before the Democratic National Convention.[4] After the convention, DNC CEO Amy Dacey, CFO Brad Marshall, and Communications Director Luis Miranda also resigned in the wake of the controversy."

Bernie and the American people were screwed by the DNC.

#90 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:37 PM | Reply

The attack was on the DNC and the DCCC.
Neither the DNC nor the DCCC are 'the elections'.

#23 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Under this argument, if I hack the GOP, delete all their voter date, campaign documents, strip their campaign bank accounts, and then kidnap their candidates...It's not an attack on the election even though the Democrats get a huge unfair advantage.

Avi, how stupid are you to post this?

#91 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-07-13 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The leaked contents, which suggested the party's leadership had worked to sabotage Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign, prompted the resignation of DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz before the Democratic National Convention.[4] After the convention, DNC CEO Amy Dacey, CFO Brad Marshall, and Communications Director Luis Miranda also resigned in the wake of the controversy."

Bernie and the American people were screwed by the DNC.
And the executive branch didn't stop any of it.

#92 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:37 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org
"The leaked contents, which suggested the party's leadership had worked to sabotage Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign, prompted the resignation of DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz before the Democratic National Convention.[4] After the convention, DNC CEO Amy Dacey, CFO Brad Marshall, and Communications Director Luis Miranda also resigned in the wake of the controversy."
Bernie and the American people were screwed by the DNC.

#90 | POSTED BY PETROUS

What does this have to do with the Mueller indictment?

#93 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-07-13 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nope, I'm just not in the 'pretend that hacking the Democrats = hacking the election' boat.

Pretend? ---- off.

#94 | Posted by rcade at 2018-07-13 03:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Bernie and the American people were screwed by the DNC.
And the executive branch didn't stop any of it.

#92 | Posted by Petrous
At least the DNC is american. Bernie, the american people, and the whole world is being screwed by russia, and the excutive branch is saying the whole thing is a fake scandal.

#96 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-13 03:42 PM | Reply

Tea Pain @TeaPainUSA

Now we know when Trump asked, "Russia, if you're listening", they were.

#97 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 03:42 PM | Reply

"If you ask an intelligence officer, did the Russians break the rules or do something bizarre, the answer is no, not at all," said Steven L. Hall, who retired in 2015 after 30 years at the C.I.A., where he was the chief of Russian operations. The United States "absolutely" has carried out such election influence operations historically, he said, "and I hope we keep doing it."

Waiting for counter indictments against US officials by foreign nations.

#98 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:43 PM | Reply

Anne Applebaum @‏anneapplebaum

Mueller is suggesting Russians stole Clinton campaign election analytics. If they gave that to Trump campaign, then how is that different from Nixon's Cuban burglars breaking into Democratic campaign offices?
10:54 AM - 13 Jul 2018

#99 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

swampland.time.com

So, did Obama win in 2012 because of hacking?

#100 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:46 PM | Reply

@#97

One other item...Pres Putin's denial of interference has been that the Russian state (i.e., government) did not interfere. These indictments are against members of a Russian governmental organization, showing Pres Putin's denials to be specious, at best.

#101 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-13 03:46 PM | Reply

sputniknews.com

The US was stupid to think there would be no response.

#102 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:48 PM | Reply

Bears repeating:

Christopher Ingraham @_cingraham

July 27, 2016, Trump: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."
Indictment: That evening, Russian operatives targeted Clinton campaign emails "for the first time."

#103 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"So, did Obama win in 2012 because of hacking?"

Let's say he did.

That makes it okay for Trump to win because of hacking, right?

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They just didn't tell Putin, like Area 51 isn't told to the President. Probably just plausible deniability

#105 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:51 PM | Reply

themoscowproject.org

July 27, 2016, Trump: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."
Indictment: That evening, Russian operatives targeted Clinton campaign emails "for the first time."

#103 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

SEPTEMBER 2015

#106 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:53 PM | Reply

"So, did Obama win in 2012 because of hacking?"

As I recall he won in spite of some shenanigans Rove was expecting to happen but apparently didn't.

#107 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rove wasn't hacking. Would you like to rethink who it was?

#108 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:57 PM | Reply

And since Obama won, then it was Romney that lost due to hacking.

#109 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-07-13 03:57 PM | Reply

"The US was stupid to think there would be no response."

Americans are stupid to think the GOP wouldn't collude with a foreign power to weaken the Democrats.

Especially after Nixon colluded with North Vietnam and Reagan colluded with and then illegally sold weapons to Iran.

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 03:59 PM | Reply

"SEPTEMBER 2015"

That article refers to the DNC stuff that was hacked. Not to the Hillary's 30,000 plus emails Donnie was referring to in his "Russia, if you are listening" rally speech.

#111 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 03:59 PM | Reply

If they know the names of the people Russia got info on the next step is to compare how the records say they voted vs how they say they voted.

#112 | Posted by Tor at 2018-07-13 03:59 PM | Reply

Petrous: You're so eager to support Putin you are linking to one of the propaganda sites he funds.

#113 | Posted by rcade at 2018-07-13 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 11

"Rove wasn't hacking. Would you like to rethink who it was?"

I remember Anonymous said they were going to prevent Republican hacking. I think they did and Rove was surprised when they couldn't change the numbers like they did in 2000 in the middle of the night in Ohio.

#114 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#111 Donnie was referring to Hillary's emails, the ones that Peter Smith, the guy who supposedly committed suicide, was looking for on the dark web.

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 04:02 PM | Reply

I remember Anonymous said they were going to prevent Republican hacking. I think they did and Rove was surprised when they couldn't change the numbers like they did in 2000 in the middle of the night in Ohio.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-07-13 04:02 PM | REPLY

That was the president of DebolT that rigged Ohio NOT Rove.

#116 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-13 04:06 PM | Reply

#113 It's hard to understand the right thinks the Democratic party is a bigger theeat to their vision of America than a murderous strongman like Putin.

But that's really what they believe.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 04:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"That was the president of DebolT that rigged Ohio NOT Rove."

I never thought Rove himself did the hacking but that he knew about it. Then when it didn't happen everyone saw how he acted the night of the election. He acted like a guilty man who didn't deliver for Romney.

#118 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The DNC hack was via anwanse's thumb drive amirite? So much hacking and slashing to keep track of.

#119 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-13 04:13 PM | Reply

"**Gotta go pick my kid up. Don't whip yourselves into a frenzy without me**" - #49 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 02:29 PM

Take your time.

Looks like you've got three weeks to pick up your kid.

#120 | Posted by Hans at 2018-07-13 04:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

I remember Anonymous said they were going to prevent Republican hacking. I think they did and Rove was surprised when they couldn't change the numbers like they did in 2000 in the middle of the night in Ohio.

Wasn't the Ohio election stealing issue in 2004?

#121 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-07-13 04:37 PM | Reply

Will our collective Ire over Russia meddling in our elections cause us to decide on not meddling in other countries elections???

#122 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-13 04:44 PM | Reply

#122 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2018-07-13 04:44 PM | FLAG:

Hell no it won't.

#123 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-07-13 04:45 PM | Reply

What parties in what countries did we hack, Laura?

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 04:45 PM | Reply

The attack was on the DNC and the DCCC.
Neither the DNC nor the DCCC are 'the elections'.

#23 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Do you intentionally miss the forest for the trees or are you just myopic?

#125 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-13 04:48 PM | Reply

"The DNC hack was via anwanse's thumb drive amirite?"

No, you are NOT right.

Read the indictment before you look any more foolish.

#126 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 04:49 PM | Reply

So, did Obama win in 2012 because of hacking?

#100 | Posted by Petrous

A more relevant question would be - did obama win in 2012 by colluding with a foreign power to hack the election?

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-13 05:25 PM | Reply

did obama win in 2012 by colluding with a foreign power to hack the election?

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

No Collusion! No Collusion! No Collusion! Baarrrrrrack! Everyone agrees that there was NO Collusion! (Did I mention that there was NO Collusion?)

But, even if there was so what? What's wrong with that?

It's not illegal you know!

(no collusion!)

(witchhunt!)

(sore losers!)

#128 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 05:30 PM | Reply

Mayor Rudy Giuliani @RudyGiuliani

The indictments Rod Rosenstein announced are good news for all Americans. The Russians are nailed. No Americans are involved. Time for Mueller to end this pursuit of the President and say President Trump is completely innocent.

#129 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 05:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Like Rudy, Stone told the truth before he started lying:

Roger Stone said in July 2016 Russians were 'most likely' behind WikiLeaks emails and doing it to help Trump

Longtime Trump associate Roger Stone said several times in July 2016 that Russia was most likely the source for hacked emails released during the Democratic National Convention and that it was not far-fetched to say the purpose was to help Donald Trump's presidential campaign, according to a CNN KFile review of Stone's interviews and appearances.

The comments, made by Stone from late July through August 1, 2016, show Stone stated at the time that Russia was the source of the emails -- a sharp contrast to his more recent posture that Russia was not the source for hacked documents released by WikiLeaks throughout the campaign.

By August 4, 2016, the same day Stone claimed in an email to have dined with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange the night prior, Stone abruptly changed his tune. In a conference call along with an interview with radio host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, Stone said that Russia had nothing to do with the hacked emails and they were the sole work of hacker Guccifer 2.0.

www.cnn.com

#130 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Time for Mueller to end this pursuit of the President and say President Trump is completely innocent."

Tommy Vercetti is an innocent man!

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 05:59 PM | Reply

Were emails false or did they just reveal things that the Democrats didn't want us to know?

#132 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-07-13 06:04 PM | Reply

Must read:

Ronna McDaniel @GOPChairwoman

Here's my statement on today's indictments from the Department of Justice.

twitter.com

#133 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 06:08 PM | Reply

#129 they're so hilariously desperate.

#134 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-13 06:37 PM | Reply

The comments rebuking the GOP Chairwoman are right on the money on that twitter thread, Gal!

#135 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-13 06:38 PM | Reply

Ken Dilanian @KenDilanianNBC

DNI Dan Coats: Russian hacking and meddling is "persistent, they're pervasive, and they are meant to undermine America's democracy on a daily basis." But yet there is no government-wide strategy to combat it.
11:20 AM - 13 Jul 2018

#136 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To #123 - I know it's just a wiki, but here is a thumbnail account of some worldwide election interference, though not on hacking specifically: en.wikipedia.org There is a lot of info out there, and probably more unknown than known.

To #131: "Were emails false or did they just reveal things that the Democrats didn't want us to know?"

The latter, but you knew that.

#137 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-07-13 06:44 PM | Reply

#136 More proof of collusion, IMO, and the biggest reason that Mueller's investigation should NOT be shutdown and Democrats should NOT go quietly into that good night but instead rage, rage against the dying light.

#138 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 06:44 PM | Reply

"I know it's just a wiki, but here is a thumbnail account of some worldwide election interference, though not on hacking specifically: en.wikipedia.org"

And to Laura's point, we can draw a straight line from Operation Ajax to 9/11, with the Islamic Revolution as a midpoint, but that won't stop us from doing it again.

So I kinda feel dumb for asking that, because it's generally a pretty simple script. We support the parties favorable to the capitalist hegemony, and we sabotage the ones that threaten it. And sometimes we change our tune if we can persuade then to change theirs, like we did with our good buddies Momar Qadaffi and Manuel Noriega.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 07:03 PM | Reply

sputniknews.com
The US was stupid to think there would be no response.

#102 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Stop posting links to Russian websites. As an IT professional I would advise that no one ever click on links from Russian websites. That is exactly how they load malware onto your PCs.

Next time I will flag your post as abusive.

Fair warning.

#140 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 08:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Love how the story said "developing" and purposely left out Rosenstien saying there was no collusion or votes affected.

#141 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-07-13 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#141 He didn't say that:

Rod J. Rosenstein
WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT IS WHAT'S REFLECTED IN THE INDICTMENT. WE KNOW THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ELECTION. WHAT IMPACT THEY MAY HAVE HAD OR WHAT THEIR MOTIVATION MAY HAVE BEEN INDEPENDENTLY OF WHAT'S REQUIRED TO PROVE THIS OFFENSE IS A MATTER OF SPECULATION, THAT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. THERE'S NO ALLEGATION IN THE INDICTMENT ABOUT IT AND THAT'S NOT OUR CHARGE.

#142 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 08:51 PM | Reply

Sorry for the all caps. That's how it is at the site I copied from:

www.c-span.org

#143 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 08:54 PM | Reply

#142 watch the ACTUAL INTERVIEW instead of posting something that you want to read.

#144 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-07-13 09:05 PM | Reply

So does this mean that liberals would be OK with Russia, China or North Korea indicting US government hackers?

#145 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-07-13 09:09 PM | Reply

"So does this mean that liberals"

All you can do is deflect.

Go back to dumping patients.

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 09:25 PM | Reply

So now we have 25 untouchable Russians indicted.

Under federal guidelines, Flynn's sentence is estimated to be between zero and six months in prison.

Manafort is in solitary, in big trouble largely unrelated to the dotard. But, they have crossed paths a few times.

Cohen has already spent more than the other two Americans, just trying to classify the FBI trove as much as possible as inadmissible under attorney client privilege. This situation is potentially extremely dangerous for Trump. But, digging up dirt on your political opponent is SOP. It has to be something more, and probably is, money laundering I presume.

For comic relief we get the Stormy Daniels lawsuit, an embarrassment for the family, but not much more.

How this shakes out depends entirely on Cohen and what the FBI has in their hands.

All we can do is wait for Mueller.

#147 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-13 09:30 PM | Reply

"So now we have 25 untouchable Russians indicted."

They're not untouchable.
They could get extraordinarily renditioned.
The last GOP President did that to terror suspects.
I guess subverting our elections doesn't count as terrorism. To the GOP. When it helps the GOP.

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Who knew that all witches lived in Russia?

#149 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-07-13 09:33 PM | Reply

"Under federal guidelines, Flynn's sentence is estimated to be between zero and six months in prison."

Ever ask yourself why Flynn got such a light sentence?

"How this shakes out depends entirely on Cohen and what the FBI has in their hands."

How some of this turns out but not all of it. Remember that Flynn, Gates and Papadopoulous are all cooperating.

#150 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 09:38 PM | Reply

"#142 watch the ACTUAL INTERVIEW instead of posting something that you want to read."

I watched it too a little while ago. The CSpan transcript I quoted from is accurate to what he said during the Q%A at the end.

#151 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 09:40 PM | Reply

NOW we may have something.

I have asked a lot of liberals and HOW the Russian collusion could've affected the 2016 election.

Now we have a better idea. More to come.

#152 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 09:49 PM | Reply

www.nationalreview.com

#153 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 09:51 PM | Reply

"Remember that Flynn, Gates and Papadopoulous are all cooperating."

Oh, yeah, how could I forget: George Nader, too, but he hasn't been indicted yet.

#154 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 10:01 PM | Reply

NOW we may have something.
I have asked a lot of liberals and HOW the Russian collusion could've affected the 2016 election.
Now we have a better idea. More to come.

#152 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEH aka Comrade Sheeple

Sure you do, Sheeple. Have you figured out yet that Moscow, Idaho isn't a suburb of Salt Lake City yet? Or are you still struggling with American Geography?

#155 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-13 10:17 PM | Reply

NOW we may have something.
I have asked a lot of liberals and HOW the Russian collusion could've affected the 2016 election.
Now we have a better idea. More to come.

#152 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEH aka Comrade Sheeple

Sure you do, Sheeple. Have you figured out yet that Moscow, Idaho isn't a suburb of Salt Lake City yet? Or are you still struggling with American Geography?

#156 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-13 10:17 PM | Reply

www.nationalreview.com

#153 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU AT 2018-07-13 09:51 PM

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

#157 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-07-13 10:19 PM | Reply

Ok, I'll have my nothingburger well done with extra cheese and a side of treason sauce to dip my freedom fries into please.

#158 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-13 10:20 PM | Reply

Wait, Moscow is in IDAHO?!

So IDAHO is now colluding in American elections?
WHY IS THIS NOT BEING REPORTED PN?!

Send a smoke signal to the senior citizen from "Democrazy Meow"!!!

#159 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 10:22 PM | Reply

Who knew that all witches lived in Russia?

#149 | POSTED BY comrade NUKE_GENTLY

A swing and a miss my traitorous supporting friend. Do we have to go over the indictment and guilty plea list yet again?

#160 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-13 10:25 PM | Reply

Wait, Moscow is in IDAHO?!

And Lebanon is is Oregon and Kandahar is in Saskatchewan.

You have a point?

#161 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-07-13 10:26 PM | Reply

Wait, Moscow is in IDAHO?!
And Lebanon is is Oregon and Kandahar is in Saskatchewan.
You have a point?

#161 | POSTED BY REDIAL

He is trying to prove he is not the Russian troll/bot that was Sheeple who struggled mightily with American Geography. As usual with him, his attempt is an epic failure.

New account, new screen name, same Russian troll/bot.

#162 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-13 10:45 PM | Reply

www.justice.gov

"There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. "

#163 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 12:11 AM | Reply

Maybe something changed between then and now, in which case I would like to know about it.

#164 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 12:11 AM | Reply

"There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. "

#163 | POSTED BY DRPIERCE

That is correct. But the investigation is not over and THIS indictment clearly points to unnamed Americans who were involved.

That indictment is coming soon. At the risk of making a prediction here (we have been spot on so far) another indictment is coming and this one will be indicting Americans.

I am pretty sure Roger Stone is expecting a knock on the door from the FBI at any moment.

#165 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-14 12:37 AM | Reply

So does this mean that liberals would be OK with Russia, China or North Korea indicting US government hackers?

#145 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

Hacking is illegal in the US. No matter who does it. So they better not get caught. So if anyone in the US is caught hacking, even if it a government employee, they better have a official document authorizing the hack or they better have a good lawyer.

And I doubt that anyone will sign a document authorizing a hack of foreign governments unless lives or national security was at stake.

So basically the government will disavow any knowledge of your actions.

You will be on your own if you get caught. The Russians can't do anything about it but America might. I am a hacker. But I do not hack offensively(much as I would love me to). We are only allowed to defend.

#166 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-14 12:50 AM | Reply

> THIS indictment clearly points to unnamed Americans who were involved

Where are the proofs? As far as I can tell, all of the words following those of yours I've quoted are pure speculation, and maybe a pinch of wishful thinking.

#167 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 12:50 AM | Reply

> we have been spot on so far

About what? Again, I demand proofs, because I don't think this is the case. Or, it's not as black-and-white as you are attempting to present it.

>another indictment is coming and this one will be indicting Americans

speculation

> I am pretty sure Roger Stone is expecting a knock on the door from the FBI at any moment.

more speculation.

#168 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 12:53 AM | Reply

"Where are the proofs?"

Where Mueller refers to at least one American in contact with the Trump campaign. Where are your English teachers?

"maybe a pinch of wishful thinking."

Are you actually going to go on record claiming these are the last of the indictments, and no American will be indicted???

Please do, so we can hound you into oblivion the next day.

#169 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-07-14 12:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Where are the proofs?"

Read the damn indictment dummy. It's all right there in great detail. In fact, there is more detail than necessary for an indictment. Anyone with internet access can figure out the indictment was referring to Roger Stone.

#170 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-14 12:55 AM | Reply

"There is no allegation in the indictment that any American was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election. "

Didn't you just say "this is correct"? Am I hallucinating post #165?

Also, with regard to reading comprehension, I would refer my critics to my own post #164, in which I ask for clarification of what's changed between 16 February 2018:

www.justice.gov

and what's occurred just today.

Apparently what's changed is that you all are thinking even more wishfully now than then that Trump could somehow be rendered illegitimate. I'll wait on your burgeoning brains to tell me how I'm wrong.

#171 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 01:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

> so we can hound you into oblivion the next day.

this is the "liberal" psychology distilled.

#172 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 01:42 AM | Reply

For the hard of reading:

""There is no allegation in the indictment..." is not the same as saying there is no crime.

'ALLEGATION: a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.'

If anything, this again verifies how Mr. Mueller conducts an investigation: thoroughly, methodically, correctly.

Hyperbolic, reckless actions/statements are not his style. I feel confident when/if indictments come from Mr. Mueller's investigations, they are sober and serious.

#173 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2018-07-14 07:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#173

Dr. Pierce fears the sober and the serious, because that's the path to truth.

#174 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-14 10:55 AM | Reply

#171

Trump is illegitimate but I'm more than willing to wait for the proveable, documented truth.

If Mueller's investigation lasts the 2.5 years Benghazi did, he may do what Donald never intended to do, drain the swamp

#175 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-14 11:00 AM | Reply

Re: 140 -

((Unless you are looking for a nice cute immigrant bride.....))

Donnerboy finally posted some ok advice which I'll repeat.

"Stop posting links to Russian websites. As an IT professional I would advise that no one ever click on links from Russian websites. That is exactly how they load malware onto your PCs.
Next time I will flag your post as abusive.
Fair warning."

Also do not ever plug in USB stick drives into your stuff without protection....

"Both the Democratic and Republican National Committees have handed out hundreds of thumb drives to reporters ahead of their national conventions, in a move cybersecurity experts call "borderline stupidity."
posted on May 5, 2016, at 4:47 p.m."

"Leaked Emails Suggest DNC Was Conspiring Against Bernie Sanders
Looks like Sanders supporters weren't just being paranoid after all."

www.huffingtonpost.com

so was it russian bernie anti clinton hackers or was it trump russian anti clinton anti bernie hackers or clinton russian anti trumper anti bernie hackers?

Do the actual leaked email contents count in the equation somewhere? Do they indicate origination somewhere? Can only CNN look at them legally?

Do I have to spend nice summer days rereading all 30k plus leaked emails again?

so muck hacking and slashing to keep up with...imma just going to cut the lawn, then drink a couple double plus brews as a reward for my toil on the planet.

#176 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-14 11:25 AM | Reply

For Dr. Pierce:

Russia Indictment 2.0: What to Make of Mueller's Hacking Indictment

Second, the indictment leaves open the possibility of conduct by Americans not described in this document. While the document does not allege any American who corresponded with these entities knew that they were part of the Russian conspiracy, it also does not say that they did not know or suspect these entities were part of a Russian operation. It leaves that question, about these actors and others, for another day. This document alleges that Americans -- including at least one individual who was closely connected to the Trump campaign -- had contact with the charged conspirators. Whether they did so with sufficient knowledge or criminal intent, and whether they took the necessary affirmative steps to create legal liability, is simply not addressed in this indictment. It clears no one, and it actually places publicly reported conduct in a more sinister light by clarifying that the individuals in question were, in fact, in contact with Russian conspirators, knowingly or otherwise.

In other words, stay tuned. This indictment represents a tightening of the ring in the story of criminal prosecution for the 2016 election hacking. The government has now alleged that the social media manipulations by Russian actors constituted a criminal conspiracy. It has alleged as well that the hacking of Democratic Party and Clinton campaign emails were crimes conducted by officers of the Russian state. The question remains: Who, if anyone, helped?

www.lawfareblog.com

#177 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 11:33 AM | Reply

this trainwreck is a long slow process, truth trains are still slow in USA apparently

what a hacking mess and what about the stepped up security measures once the writing was on the wall?

from Security Week October 2016

www.securityweek.com

Clinton Foundation President Donna E. Shalala said on Twitter that there is no evidence of a hack.

>>>>>>Donna E. Shalala

@DonnaShalala
No evidence of a #Guccifer hack at @ClintonFdn, no notification by law enforcement, and none of the files or folders shown are ours.

While some of the leaked information could come from a Clinton Foundation server, many of the files appear to originate from earlier hacks for which Guccifer 2.0 took credit. For instance, one of the sample files published by the hacker was created by someone named "Kevin McKeon." Until 2014, McKeon occupied various leadership roles at the DCCC.

ask Donna why college costs went up so much too, shes been quite involved in that arena.

#178 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-14 12:06 PM | Reply

#145

Jeez, just caught that. Yes, BOGEY, they should do anything possible to secure the security of their respective nations.

Before Trump, that's what the United States did. Defended itself.

#179 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-14 12:13 PM | Reply

So, the Witch Hunt has charged 12 more witches. That's 32 witches altogether, five of which witches have pleaded guilty. ... so far. Pretty good quality Witch Hunt.

#180 | Posted by nimbleswitch at 2018-07-14 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

As this international hacking story is uncovered by the FBI, their ability to examine DNC servers becomes ever more critical. Yet the DNC refuses to co-operate and provide FBI and equally important NSA access. Access must not be denied. Its an important path to the truth.

#181 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-15 08:09 AM | Reply

As this international hacking story is uncovered by the FBI, their ability to examine DNC servers becomes ever more critical. Yet the DNC refuses to co-operate and provide FBI and equally important NSA access. Access must not be denied. Its an important path to the truth.

POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2018-07-15 08:09 AM | REPLY

Giggles I wonder why.

#182 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-15 08:17 AM | Reply

www.politifact.com

All that's addressed in the lower portion - so don't come back about "Podesta."

In other words, you folks love your narrative - no matter what, but others shouldn't just accept your premise.

#183 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-15 08:44 AM | Reply

So first it was "Russia didn't do anything."

Then it was "Ok fine, but we didn't collude with the Russians."

Then it was "Ok fine, but you can't prove that we colluded with the Russians."

Now it's "Why didn't Obama do anything to stop us from colluding with the Russians?"

What will it be tomorrow, idiots? It's hard to keep track of all this winning.

#184 | Posted by JOE at 2018-07-15 09:27 AM | Reply

Did John Podesta deny CIA and FBI access to DNC server, as Donald Trump claims?

In his testimony in January on the cyber attacks, then-director of the FBI James Comey said the agency never got access to the machines themselves, but obtained access to the forensics from a review of the system performed by CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity firm.

"We got the forensics from the pros that they hired which -- again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this my folks tell me was an appropriate substitute," Comey said.

"The DNC coordinated with the FBI and federal intelligence agencies and provided everything they requested, including copies of DNC servers," Watson said. She added that the copy contains the same information as the physical server.

www.politifact.com

#185 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-15 10:42 AM | Reply

#183 I quoted from Yav's link in my #185 post.

#186 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-15 10:43 AM | Reply

Thanks Gal.
You covered the same material brilliantly on another thread.

#187 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-15 11:20 AM | Reply

#185, point taken, so long as the physical copy is complete. But there is no way to verify such a claim without direct access to the DNC server.

#188 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-15 11:36 AM | Reply

"But there is no way to verify such a claim without direct access to the DNC server."

Link?

#189 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-15 11:52 AM | Reply

#26 - One can spot one when they quote the scriptures in Congress.

#190 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-07-15 11:56 AM | Reply

#188 - That is Roger Stone's position. nice

#191 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-07-15 12:00 PM | Reply

Hello! This way the Trumpublicans can gain access to, extract and MISUSE information gleaned from the server just as the Russians have already done.

Is this not a pattern? This treason is subtle, indeed. And definitely unAmerican.

#192 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-07-15 12:10 PM | Reply

Its the responsibility of the FBI and NSA to prevent such a leak.

But that brings up another point. Any investigation should include examining the RNC server, in order to be complete. I can only imagine how much dirt resides there.

Mueller has done a good job of maintaining secrecy.

#193 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-15 03:00 PM | Reply

Its the responsibility of the FBI and NSA to prevent such a leak.

And it's the responsibility of American citizens not to confer financial and political benefit upon foreign adversaries in exchange for such leaks.

Any investigation should include examining the RNC server, in order to be complete.

I agree. And we should also fully investigate whether Democrat candidates conspired with foreign adversaries to obtain the contents of the RNC server. I await the results!

#194 | Posted by JOE at 2018-07-15 06:54 PM | Reply

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