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Friday, July 13, 2018

House GOP leaders plan to bring a Democratic measure calling for the abolishment of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to the House floor, hoping to force Democrats into a difficult vote. The Democratic bill, introduced Thursday, would create a commission to examine ICE's responsibilities and then recommend transferring them to other agencies. Republicans see the growing "abolish ICE" movement as a political winner that will make at least some Democrats running in swing districts uncomfortable.

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... Republicans see the growing "abolish ICE" movement as a political winner that will make at least some Democrats running in swing districts uncomfortable. ...

Yup.

What I'm seeing is a slow motion car crash, as the Democrats give away the midterms. With this issue, all the Democrats are missing is the silver platter.

ICE needs some changes (insiders have said as much), but abolish it?

ICE is the symptom of the administration's policies, if you want to change what ICE is doing, you need to change the orders it is receiving.

I think the Republicans are giving the Democrats exactly what they asked for, and the Democrats have not yet realized the weight of the anchor they've been handed.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-13 09:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Dems are going to run for the hills away from their own bad idea. And their radicalized base, led by OCrazy-Cortez are going to be very unhappy. Hahahaha.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-07-13 09:53 AM | Reply

> radicalized base

Every day fissures between members of the loose coalition known as the democratic party become more apparent and I, for one, think we should be doing everything possible to accelerate their disintegration. Daily reminder for the ethnomasochistic whites who remain members of the democratic party that "diversity" is a dog-whistle for "fewer white people". A number of these self-loathing whites may well go down on that sinking ship eagerly cheering for their own demise regardless of current and future events. However, by all indications the momentum IS shifting. Trump's election has engendered in liberals the longest-running, most widespread and severe case of cognitive dissonance in recent memory; the veil has dropped and their newfound love for socialism and associated autistic shrieking is driving people away in droves. Pics related:

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#3 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-13 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dems are going to run for the hills away from their own bad idea.
#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I know honesty isn't your forte, but try.

Can you honestly say that the number of Dems who have backed this idea need more than two hands to count?

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-13 10:36 AM | Reply

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-13 10:36 AM
You know that in politics perception is reality.
Voters are going to see real life American Democratic politicians (
Kristen Gillibrand, Bill de Blasio join calls to 'abolish ICE') calling for the abolishment of ICE. That is going to be relayed as wanting open-borders (Progressive Arguments for Open Borders). Remember, these are voters we're talking about.

The Democrats have, no ----, offered up their own Repeal and Replace bill (for ICE). R's are going to hammer that. It was a mistake, and it's going to have a political cost.

#5 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats could take the wind out of this GOP sail by reframing the narrative to "reform ICE':

Jeh Johnson: Don't abolish ICE, reform it

Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said Saturday calls to abolish the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency are misguided and doing so "would compromise public safety."

"During the Vietnam War, millions of Americans demanded an end to the war; no one seriously demanded that we abolish the entire Defense Department," Johnson wrote in an op-ed for The Washington Post. "Obviously, that would have completely compromised national security."

A former top Obama administration official, Johnson is now among the most high-profile voices in the Democratic Party distancing themselves from the progressive rallying cry adopted by a number of influential voices in the party, including a handful of possible 2020 candidates. Others like Illinois Democratic Sen. Tammy Duckworth have said the problem is not ICE, but the president in charge of setting its policies.

www.politico.com

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Abolish ICE" is a snappy catch phrase, but in addition to being detrimental to national security, it is detrimental to Democrats desire to ride a blue wave into Congress in the fall:

Poll: Voters oppose abolishing ICE

A new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll shows that most voters oppose eliminating Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- the homeland security agency some liberal Democrats have called for abolishing.

Only 1 in 4 voters in the poll, 25 percent, believe the federal government should get rid of ICE. The majority, 54 percent, think the government should keep ICE. Twenty-one percent of voters are undecided.

But a plurality of Democratic voters do support abolishing ICE, the poll shows. Among Democrats, 43 percent say the government should get rid of ICE, while only 34 percent say it should keep ICE. Majorities of Republicans (79 percent) and independents (54 percent) want the government to keep ICE.

www.politico.com

Which reminds me, I have to call up Gillibrand's office and weigh in on this topic.

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 11:14 AM | Reply

The Democrats have, no ----, offered up their own Repeal and Replace bill (for ICE). R's are going to hammer that. It was a mistake, and it's going to have a political cost.

#5 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Again, how many co-sponsors on the bill?

You're using the same dishonest ploy as the GOP is to support the GOP.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-13 11:15 AM | Reply

I don't believe a gawd dam thing Republicans say anymore.

ICE is out of control and needs to be reigned in.

Reform or abolish.

a few other agencies need reforming too.

The DEA would be one.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"reform ICE"

Just a euphemism for gutting the agency and preventing it from enforcing immigration laws.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-07-13 11:21 AM | Reply

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Somewhat OT but read it anyway:

www.anonymousconservative.com

"Amygdala hijack" is what's happening when liberals "can't even" or are "literally shaking" after reading a tweet with which they disagree, or when being triggered by Trump.

#11 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-13 11:22 AM | Reply

'Abolish ICE' movement is growing. Is the agency's disbanding likely?

[T]he recent sentiment to abolish ICE comes as a reaction to the harsh immigration enforcement policies that have come down from the Trump administration, said Migration Policy Institute policy analyst Sarah Pierce.

"I don't think the movement itself is very surprising," Pierce said. "The title ('abolish ICE') is unfortunate, I think, because it's very natural for a country to have an agency that would enforce its immigration laws. When you get down to the details, what they are calling for is a restructuring of ICE, and that's a valid question."

www.politifact.com

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 11:25 AM | Reply

"Just a euphemism for gutting the agency and preventing it from enforcing immigration laws."

Just an example of rightwing propaganda.

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You're using the same dishonest ploy as the GOP is to support the GOP. - #8 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-13 11:15 AM |

I'm not supporting the GOP. Where do you see me supporting the GOP in any of that? I'm discussing what the outcome of this will be, hopefully dispassionately. When I say that the politicians will do x, it doesn't mean that I support x. We can talk about the effects of the decisions our politicians make without assuming those positions.
Well, some of us can. I had thought you were capable.

#14 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 11:34 AM | Reply

Democrats could take the wind out of this GOP sail by reframing the narrative to "reform ICE': - #6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-13 11:09 AM

Did you read the name of the bill? That's the actual title, not a euphemism. "Abolish Ice" is going to be hard to sell as 'Reform Ice' even though that's what it really is designed to do.

Dems who drafted bill to abolish ICE now say they'll vote against it
That didn't last long.

#15 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-07-13 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Abolishing ICE was always a lofty goal. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. In this xenophobic climate we will be lucky to get even minor meaningful reforms.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A number of these self-loathing whites may well go down on that sinking ship eagerly cheering for their own demise regardless of current and future events.

#3 | Posted by drpierce

Translation - you think there's really a race war going on and helping historically oppressed people be less oppressed means causing yourself harm.

You're just a sucker who's been conned into blaming your struggles on minorities by the billionaires who are actually oppressing you.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-13 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bring it up for debate, get everybody on the record and take a vote. At least the democrats are proposing legislation that some of them wish advanced. It's marginally better than their "do nothing / resist" methods.

#18 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-07-13 06:25 PM | Reply

#3 | Posted by drracewar

You better attend your local klan meeting and figure out how the save the endangered white male.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-07-13 06:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Immigrants help file our economy. They do jobs Americans are unwilling to do for rates that keep our foods and goods affordable.

Most the morons angry at immigrants aren't even effected by them. They're just too stupid to realize the wealthy no longer need them and have duped them into fighting against other poor people.

The wealthy in this country and across the planet are raping the poor and pocketing all profits.

Only the stupid blame immigrants.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-07-13 06:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I do understand why the Anoymousconservative would want to be anonymous. No one with anything intelligent to say needs to be anonymous. Dr. Pierce is a hate-filled scumbag. He wouldn't be welcome in my home. I may put up a sign, "Racists Not Welcome!"

#21 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-15 02:17 PM | Reply

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