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Thursday, July 12, 2018

Evangelical minister Rob Schenck was once a militant leader of the anti-abortion movement, blockading access to clinics to prevent doctors and patients from entering. But after more than 20 years in the movement, Schenck experienced a change of heart. Though firm in his evangelicalism, he has disavowed his militant anti-abortion stance. "I live with regret," he says of some of his former tactics. "I remember women -- some of them quite young -- being very distraught, very frightened, some very angry. Over time, I became very callous to that."

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Wow! A real Christian. Willingness to change is fundamental to decency and compassion.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-12 10:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Amen, Danni!

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-12 10:35 AM | Reply

"We need a law for government to control a woman's uterus!"

- Small Gubmint Cancervatives

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2018-07-12 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I will likely get his book. I'm sure most pro-lifers could learn something from it.

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2018-07-12 11:11 AM | Reply

"On the evangelical support of Donald Trump

I think it's a grave error. I think it has compromised our spiritual and moral integrity. In fact, I entitled my chapter on Donald Trump, "Donald Trump and the moral collapse of American evangelicalism." I think it's a Faustian bargain with Donald Trump, and I think it may lead to the demise of American evangelicalism as we have known it.

But my hopeful thought is that, that as the phoenix arises out of the ashes, so a new evangelicalism will emerge, mostly led by a new younger generation of evangelicals that are truer to the faith that is at the center of evangelicalism."

The old evangelicalism was a leader of the Abolitionist Movement back in the day. Now they've replaced the bible with the Republican Playbook.

Good for this guy finally coming to his senses. But women may lose the rights they now have under the Constitution because of the movement he belonged to.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-12 11:17 AM | Reply

When the GOP nominated Trump the "religious" right effectively put in writing that they weren't Christians.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2018-07-12 09:01 PM | Reply

how come the Libs accept science of global warming, but do not accept the science of what we now know about the development of a baby in the womb?

we know sooo much more now than what we did in 1973

#7 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-07-12 09:09 PM | Reply

Republicans dont give a damn about kids living and dying.

Look at what theyre doing to asylum seekers.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2018-07-12 09:13 PM | Reply

Republicans dont give a damn about kids living and dying.
Look at what theyre doing to asylum seekers.

#8 | POSTED BY TOR

It's called 'tough love'. That what doesn't kill us makes us stronger and all that.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-07-12 09:20 PM | Reply

#7 The castle doctrine allows women to terminate unwanted fetuses that pose a threat to them, with extreme prejudice.

#10 | Posted by bored at 2018-07-12 09:32 PM | Reply

From all appearances it seems his biggest regret is taking the militant route.

It doesn't sound like he has changed his pro-life point of view.

He just regrets the threatening manner in which he expressed it.

Personally I believe abortion is the killing of a human life but I would not wish to see abortion on demand denied to women.

I believe it is their choice to live with it.

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-07-12 09:45 PM | Reply

He has to live with Regret now.

Because Regret is the name of his love child that his secret girlfriend wouldn't abort.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-12 10:13 PM | Reply

Filled with regret.
Waiting to die alone.

#13 | Posted by ajwood at 2018-07-12 10:53 PM | Reply

"#7 The castle doctrine allows women to terminate unwanted fetuses that pose a threat to them, with extreme prejudice."

I'm surprised this argument hasn't been fleshed out more.
It's a good one.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-12 11:07 PM | Reply

"Personally I believe abortion is the killing of a human life but I would not wish to see abortion on demand denied to women."

Hopefully you get your wish.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-12 11:09 PM | Reply

"how come the Libs accept science of global warming, but do not accept the science of what we now know about the development of a baby in the womb?"

What is it you think the libs don't accept, scientifically speaking, as best you can scientifically speak?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-12 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am SURROUNDED by Bible-believing Christians.
Church, work and private life. Hundreds of them. "Evangelicals" is one word for that.

Most (but not all by a long shot) are Republicans.
NONE of them justify Trump and call him "good."
Many of them couldn't vote for him; many held their nose, but don't for a minute fool themselves that he is "holy."

Don't fool yourself that rich ------ from Texas who flame war on social media and bulletin boards make it seem different that reality really is. Those aren't what most Christians that put Jesus and His Word first think.

#17 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-12 11:59 PM | Reply

The sad thing is that few of the truly antichrist people on here will care about what's true and what's not.

Meanwhile every single city the critics live in is filled with caring Christians serving in jails, running halfway houses, homeless shelters, adopting children and materially providing for the poor, including single moms.

#18 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 12:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Meanwhile every single city the critics live in is filled with caring Christians"

Christians in California are standing up against the Tyranny of Trump and are speaking out against having children stolen from the parents of the refugees seeking asylum in our country. They are even providing sanctuary and free lawyers to help them.

What are your Christians doing to help these desperate parents and children in their hour of need?

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 01:30 AM | Reply

The religious right grew out of the anti-integration efforts in the 60's. Christian academies sprouted like mushrooms all over the south where they could allow only lilly white children to attend and then defund the public schools as much as courts would allow them to. I was there, I saw it. The Evangelicals today are no more or less moral than they were 50 years ago, abortion to them is just an issue like guns and gays. I've known so many of them for so many years that there is simply no way anyone could ever convince me differently. I've never encountered a single one that impressed me with intelligence. Probably the most easily manipulated voting block in the country and that is why Republicans cater to them.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 08:04 AM | Reply

Same thing.

Depending on the study you'll find huge numbers of evangelicals differ with Trump on immigration and refugee policy.

It has been exciting being a part of the sanctuary movement here in the SW. Look up Scott Hicks on fb, or the Phoenix Preacher blog.

Danni,
The Christian Right grew out of the anti communist movement and the twin SCOTUS decisions that took prayer and the 10 commandments out of public schools (which I don't think needs to be revisited)
The homeschooling movement started after this as well.

You talking about this would be like be talking about "trannys"--I don't really know what I'm talking about.

But I listened to when, then-LarryMohr explained the difference.

#21 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 10:18 AM | Reply

"Danni,
The Christian Right grew out of the anti communist movement and the twin SCOTUS decisions that took prayer and the 10 commandments out of public schools (which I don't think needs to be revisited)
The homeschooling movement started after this as well. "

Perhaps but it was miniscule then, reaction to the Civil Rights movement put it on steroids. Charter schools is a direct affect of it and it is detrimental to the education of our young. I know an Evangelical family that "home schooled." Those kids got basically no education at all.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 10:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" there is simply no way anyone could ever convince me differently."

I hope the grace of God touches your life to realize what a bigoted and intolerant statement that is.

If not the grace of God, perhaps bare human logic will show you how much of a stubborn old fool you sound like there.

Replace what you wrote with "gay male" or "average prochoicer" and you MAY be able to see how prejudicial you sound.

If someone's opinion is so strongly made up, almost no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise.

#23 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 10:24 AM | Reply

"You talking about this would be like be talking about "trannys"--I don't really know what I'm talking about. "

I personally know trannys, drink with them occasionally, dance with them and have a great time with them. And I know about the Evangelical Christian world too, I grew up surrounded by it. I know about the racist south, I grew up in it. You talking down to me is laughable.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 10:25 AM | Reply

Danni,

Why do homeschoolers test better than public schools, private schools, and charter schools?

Could your experience be at odds with researched reality?

And according to the movie "Jesus Camp" (and you'll find other similar findings elsewhere), 75% of homeschooled kids are from evangelical families.

#25 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 10:26 AM | Reply

"Critics point out that these higher scores do not indicate that homeschooling is superior to other forms of schooling. Some arguments are:

Students who take these tests are self-selecting, so we don't know if homeschoolers overall are doing better than other students. But all SAT and ACT takers are self-selecting regardless of how they were schooled. However, there is no way to know if homeschoolers are taking these tests at a lower or higher rate than public or private school students.
If broken down by demographics, homeschoolers may not fare so well. Homeschoolers tend to come from higher earning and better educated families, which may account for the higher scores.
Sampling is sometimes done to compare homeschoolers to public school students. Critics point out that successful homeschooling parents may be more likely to allow their children to be tested than less successful homeschoolers."

wehavekids.com

#26 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 10:30 AM | Reply

I only have direct knowledge of one particular family, the kids are virtually ignorant. Other families probably did better but their family is very strict fundamentalist Christians. I'm not judging them, just reporting what I see.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 10:31 AM | Reply

"And according to the movie "Jesus Camp" (and you'll find other similar findings elsewhere), 75% of homeschooled kids are from evangelical families."

I would have guessed that, it's the only way to totally insure that their are entirely brainwashed and even then it doesn't always work.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Why do homeschoolers test better than public schools, private schools, and charter schools?"

Because it is not a random sampling.

"That's impressive, but we have to keep in mind: This wasn't a random cross-section of homeschoolers.

Participants were recruited from a special subset of the homeschooling population--families who subscribed to a fee-based testing service.

Compared to their peers in the public schools, these kids were more likely to have affluent, well-educated parents. Were the parents also more committed to educating their children? Perhaps."

"Then there is the problem of self-selection. Who agrees to participate in a study of this kind?

Parents may be more likely to sign up if they believe their children will test well. About 52% of those approached agreed to participate in Rudner's study. So we have to wonder about the people who declined."

www.parentingscience.com

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why do homeschoolers test better than public schools, private schools, and charter schools?

Because by definition that means there's greater parent participation in their child's education?

That's a known variable for kids in public schools too.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-13 10:38 AM | Reply

The former anti-abortion forced-birther now has a book to flog? What a miracle!

#31 | Posted by john47 at 2018-07-13 11:30 AM | Reply

"Because by definition that means there's greater parent participation in their child's education?"

If the parent is virtually illiterate themself then the homeschooled child will be too.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 11:36 AM | Reply

^
If the parent is scientifically and politically illiterate themself then the homeschooled child will be too.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 01:18 PM | Reply

Danni,

You have backwards. The homeschooled families I know want to avoid the liberal brainwashing and anti-Christian bias along with all the negative influences in some public schools.

The children don't need to be homeschooled to be taught good basic Christian values and beliefs.

They already get that.

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-07-13 03:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 6

"The homeschooled families I know want to avoid the liberal brainwashing and anti-Christian bias"

Are any of them not white?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We home schooled my youngest for a year through a state sponsored program, he got straight A's.

In our case it had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with a gang in school the school administration wouldn't address or let him move to a different school, long story but we didn't really want him in home school for socializing and financial reasons.

#36 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-07-13 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you're all about a christian education, there are private schools that have teachers with actual degrees. They have a rather pro-christian bias you could say.

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-07-13 04:43 PM | Reply

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson

The imaginary brainwashing and bias you mean.

#38 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-07-13 06:03 PM | Reply

One BIG thing about home schooling and the people I know that have been home schooled is they lack a lot of social skills and are honestly sheltered and ignorant of the real world.

#39 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-07-13 06:05 PM | Reply

re #34

Were you home schooled Bill?

That would sure explain a lot.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 06:29 PM | Reply

Homeschooling?

It's where morons teach their kids to be as dumb as they are.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-07-13 06:58 PM | Reply

wehavekids.com

#26 | POSTED BY DANNI

Bwahahaha
I almost posted the same link

It shows what I said is fact. While trying to account for it.

Who hurt you, Danni?

Could you EVER treat a Christian fairly?

#42 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 09:42 PM | Reply

"The homeschooled families I know want to avoid the liberal brainwashing and anti-Christian bias"
Are any of them not white?

#35 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-07-13 04:01 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Yeah, AN EFFIN' TON aren't white!

You race-baiting commie.

#43 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 09:43 PM | Reply

Why do homeschoolers test better than public schools, private schools, and charter schools?
Because by definition that means there's greater parent participation in their child's education?
That's a known variable for kids in public schools too.

#30 | POSTED BY JPW

Absolutely. That's a huge variable.

But it's only part of the story that refutes Danni's anti Christian bias.

#44 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-13 09:46 PM | Reply

"Yeah, AN EFFIN' TON aren't white!"

I think non-whites, and the problems they bring, are what BillJohnson is calling "the negative influences in some public schools."

Anyway, according to the intertubes, homeschooling is a predominantly white thing:

Approximately 3 percent of the school-age population was homeschooled in the 2011–12 school year. Among children who were homeschooled, a higher percentage were White (83 percent) than Black (5 percent), Hispanic (7 percent), and Asian or Pacific Islander (2 percent).

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 10:01 PM | Reply

good basic Christian values and beliefs.

It's been clearly demonstrated that that doesn't exist. It was a farce all along.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-13 10:36 PM | Reply

> one guy flipped sides on the abortion debate
> game over!

I thought liberals were supposed to posses superior IQs.

#47 | Posted by drpierce at 2018-07-14 12:46 AM | Reply

Snoofy
Why ask if your race-baiting mind is made up?

#48 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2018-07-14 01:05 AM | Reply

"Why ask"

To demonstrate a relevant way in which the homeschool population itself is not reflective of the school-age population.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-14 01:50 AM | Reply

You have backwards. The homeschooled families I know want to avoid the liberal brainwashing and anti-Christian bias along with all the negative influences in some public schools.
The children don't need to be homeschooled to be taught good basic Christian values and beliefs.
They already get that.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2018-07-13 03:58 PM | REPLY |

WOW Talking like a fundamentalist nutjob. Sad really really sad.

#50 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-14 06:48 AM | Reply

Laura,

You don't even know what Christian fundamentalists believe.

I am sooooooo not a fundamentalist.

You're just so far left everyone to the right of you is an extremist.

#51 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-07-14 04:11 PM | Reply

You don't even know what Christian fundamentalists believe.

I am sooooooo not a fundamentalist.

You're just so far left everyone to the right of you is an extremist.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-07-14 04:11 PM | Reply

Honey I live in a conservative state I know what a Christian Fundamentalist is. You just hate it that I know.

#52 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-14 04:16 PM | Reply

BillJohnson,

I don't see how or where your beliefs lead to different policy goals than Christian fundamentalists.

Maybe you could show us where your preferred policies differ from Christian Fundamentalist policies.

Because if your policy goals are the same, it doesn't really matter if you self-identify as a Christian Fundamentalist or a linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-14 04:21 PM | Reply

Laura,

I don't believe in Biblical inerrancy or literal interpretation.

That makes me definitely not a fundamentalist.

#54 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-07-14 04:24 PM | Reply

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