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Thursday, July 12, 2018

The study, published today in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, found no significant link between dairy fats and cause of death or, more specifically, heart disease and stroke -- two of the country's biggest killers often associated with a diet high in saturated fat. In fact, certain types of dairy fat may help guard against having a severe stroke, the researchers reported.

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"Our findings not only support, but also significantly strengthen, the growing body of evidence which suggests that dairy fat, contrary to popular belief, does not increase risk of heart disease or overall mortality in older adults. In addition to not contributing to death, the results suggest that one fatty acid present in dairy may lower risk of death from cardiovascular disease, particularly from stroke," said Marcia Otto, Ph.D., the study's first and corresponding author and assistant professor in the Department of Epidemiology, Human Genetics and Environmental Sciences at UTHealth School of Public Health.

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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SQUEALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My raw milk addiction won't kill me after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-12 09:27 AM | Reply

I misread the headline.

Now I want to see a study on the possible links between dairy farts and heart disease

#2 | Posted by RevDarko at 2018-07-12 10:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Now I want to see a study on the possible links between dairy farts and heart disease

POSTED BY REVDARKO AT 2018-07-12 10:02 AM | REPLY

Lactaid solves that problem.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-12 10:04 AM | Reply


The study looks pretty rigorous, well-planned and well-executed.

Dairy fats had been lumped in with other dietary fats, with the thinking that fats are fats are fats.

This study seems to show that not all fats are created equal, that dairy fats are different in their effects upon the body.

Before I jump on the full-fat dairy product bandwagon, however, I'd want to see at least one more study that confirms these results.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-12 11:13 AM | Reply

Everything I've been reading as of lately is pointing the finger at refined sugar as the culprit for heart related disease.

#5 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-07-12 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#5 ... refined sugar ...

Sugar in general is not the best for you. The big issue with refined sugar is that you tend to consume it quickly in large quantities. The resulting spike in blood sugar levels causes damage.

One interesting thing I did was for a couple of weeks I tried to keep my sugar intake below the recommended daily level.

There is so much hidden sugar in the things we eat (and I eat usually in a healthy manner), that I could meet my goal less than half of the days.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-07-12 12:43 PM | Reply

"This study seems to show that not all fats are created equal, that dairy fats are different in their effects upon the body."

Dairy fat is how a little baby calf becomes a 400lb heifer in just nine months.

Or, a few years longer, in Laura's case. ;)

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-12 12:43 PM | Reply

How can milk possibly be bad for you. Snoofy is right. And that's like saying eggs are bad for you. Chickens come from eggs. I see an obvious fallacy here.

Remember that thread I posted about how the Forces of Darkness said fruit juice was bad? And people posted stuff about how fruit drink was bad? Um, read a label. Fruit drink is sugar water with "more than 2% fruit juice", just like wheat bread is bread with "more than 2% whole wheat". Which usually means about 3% or so.

If it doesn't say "100% whole wheat", it isn't. Fruit drink and fruit juice are the same way.

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 05:12 PM | Reply

And that's like saying eggs are bad for you. Chickens come from eggs.

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat

Good lord our school system really failed you.

Chickens have entirely different chemical makeups than eggs do.

PS - how could milk be GOOD for you? No other species on earth drinks milk past infancy, and no other species on earth drinks the milk of another species. And modern milk is filled with hormones, antibiotics, and pus. Yes, PUS.

nutritionfacts.org
"How much pus is there in milk?"

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-12 05:52 PM | Reply

Refined carb consumption, not fat, cause heart disease.
Heart disease is associated with HBP, Obesity, insulin resistance, inactivity and high LDL/HDL ratio. None of these are linked to a high fat diet, most are linked to a high carb diet.
Metabolic syndrome explains how refined carb diets lead to obesity, HBP, insulin resistance and heart disease.
www.nhlbi.nih.gov
www.metabolicsyndromecanada.ca

There is even an online calculator of your heart risks, although I am a bit skeptical as I haven't seen published long term population health regression analysis variable coefficients.

#10 | Posted by bored at 2018-07-12 05:54 PM | Reply

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Remember that thread I posted about how the Forces of Darkness said fruit juice was bad?

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat

And fruit juice IS bad for your blood sugar levels. It gives you a massive hit of sugar all at once, causing blood glucose spikes and valleys, which is what lead to diabetes.

Eating the fruit instead makes you digest the sugars more slowly in a way that avoids the glucose spike.

Inform yourself before spreading ignorance.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-12 06:04 PM | Reply

PS - how could milk be GOOD for you? No other species on earth drinks milk past infancy, and no other species on earth drinks the milk of another species.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-12 05:52 PM | Reply

This statement is just really poor reasoning. First, it is easily disproven - place a saucer of cow milk in front of a cat or dog and see how quickly they will drink it. Many other adult animals, given the opportunity, will drink milk, even from another species, whenever. No other species drinks milk past infancy because it isn't available to them. We can use this kind of specious reasoning for many things: No other species on the planet eats cooked food, how could it possibly be good for you? No other species on the planet wears sunglasses, how could it possibly be good for you? Many of the things we humans do, no other species on the planet does simply because they don't have the means. It doesn't automatically mean it is somehow unhealthy.

I'm not going to argue over the problems inherent in factory farming methods, but please, let's stick to actual science and facts. Making wild assertions doesn't help your credibility.

#12 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2018-07-12 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

PS - how could milk be GOOD for you? No other species on earth drinks milk past infancy, and no other species on earth drinks the milk of another species.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-12 05:52 PM | Reply

Really???? You really hurt my fee fees. Milk is amazingly delicious.

#13 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-12 06:44 PM | Reply

Next up , no link between gl9bal warming and melting polar icecaps

#14 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-12 06:56 PM | Reply

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Okay, the gloves are coming off. Like I said in that thread, you might drink 8 oz. of real fruit juice a day, if even that, and it probably takes you all of breakfast. Now compare that to what soda addicts do. But yeah, tell me my Jesus-beverage is bad, Satan-puppy.

I am going to pray over some Granola for your soul tonight. But I don't think it will help.

#15 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 06:56 PM | Reply

Okay, the gloves are coming off. Like I said in that thread, you might drink 8 oz. of real fruit juice a day, if even that, and it probably takes you all of breakfast. Now compare that to what soda addicts do. But yeah, tell me my Jesus-beverage is bad, Satan-puppy.

I am going to pray over some Granola for your soul tonight. But I don't think it will help.

#15 | Posted by HeliumRat

Ok let's compare it to soda:

"A single cup of about 248 g of unsweetened orange juice even though it may not have any added sugars already contains natural sugars. And you're likely to get, on an average, about 20.83 g of sugar in this serving size.2

A similar-sized serving of canned unsweetened orange juice has 21.81 g of sugar.3 Some organic orange juice brands listed on the USDA database had as much as 41.67 g of sugar in a 100 ml serving, while others had 33.8 g in a 100 g serving"

That's on par with what is in soda. It's a lot of sugar.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-12 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No other species drinks milk past infancy because it isn't available to them."

Uh, yeah, because mammals raise their young.

They don't keep on raising them after they're adults.

Possibly related: Mom, we're out of pizza rolls!

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-12 07:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Next up , no link between gl9bal warming and melting polar icecaps

#14 | Posted by mutant

And isn't that really the point of any article or thread about "those scientists were so wrong!"? Making a case that experts don't know anything so we can ignore the experts who say we shouldn't trash the planet?

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-12 07:04 PM | Reply

#16 How many times do I have say it? Do you swill orange juice like you swill soda? No. Now have some orange juice, or at least some V8. A cup a day would be fine. And eat a wide variety of foods in moderation, and engage in at least light exercise. Just push-ups and sit-ups can do a lot.

Also, do you know how pure cane sugar is made? They cut down the cane, send it through a roller that squishes the juice out of it, and then dry the juice into sugar under the direct rays of our one true God the Sun, Sol Invictus.

How could that actually be wrong? Now compare that to how sugar is extracted from sugar beets....

#19 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 07:15 PM | Reply

How could that actually be wrong? Now compare that to how sugar is extracted from sugar beets....

#19 | Posted by HeliumRat

Cocaine is all natural too. Still not good for you.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-07-12 08:22 PM | Reply

And some salt is made from evaporated salt water in large drying fields then subsequently harvested and sold... to put on real hot buttered corn on the cob.

#21 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-12 08:28 PM | Reply

Cocaine is pretty far from natural...

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-12 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Adults drinking milk is pretty far from natural too.

As in, you don't see adults drinking milk in nature.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-12 08:30 PM | Reply

Cocaine was good enough to put in a carbonated beverage decades ago. It was claimed to give you pep.

#24 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-12 08:30 PM | Reply

#20 Aspertane. 1000 times sweeter than sugar, yet has zero calories. Left-handed molecule. Resembles insecticides which themselves resemble nerve gas.

But go ahead and tell me my Sun-god dried sugar and even my OJ is bad for me. You know, I'm going to need more Granola, because it's going to be a long prayer....

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 08:34 PM | Reply

How could that actually be wrong? Now compare that to how sugar is extracted from sugar beets....
#19 | Posted by HeliumRat

Are you brain dead??? Use CANE Sugar not sugar beets. Sugar beets are like for the lower classed person.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-12 09:32 PM | Reply

#26 That's something I never got. It's like sea salt vs. table salt. A giant container of a pound or so of Morton table salt costs maybe $1? Sea salt costs maybe $3 for the same amount. And that's enough salt to lat you half a decade or so....

But sea salt somehow tastes better. You may not agree, but a lot of people do. Even some burger joints are switching.

So that's why I don't understand people who want beet sugar even if it's cheaper than cane sugar, or for God's sake high fructose corn syrup. Why don't you just worship Satan? Look at how its made. Tell me you want to eat that when instead you can have something personally blessed by Jesus, while he was high.

I mean, damn.

#27 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 10:02 PM | Reply

Beet sugar becomes candi syrup which is used in delicious Belgian beers. Cane and HFC produce off flavors when fermented.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-07-13 08:00 AM | Reply

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg, The only sugar that belong in beer is malt, from barley.

#29 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-13 10:39 AM | Reply

You won't win a lot of BJCP categories with that attitude.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-07-13 11:13 AM | Reply

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg You can make Ale out of anything and flavor it with anything. Beer is barley malt, hops, yeast and water- always has been and always will be.

#31 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-13 12:10 PM | Reply

Reinheitsgebot was just a tax scam by the catholic church. No thanks, I'll keep winning medals with beers that aren't based on archaic stupidity.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-07-13 12:19 PM | Reply

"Beer is barley malt, hops, yeast and water- always has been and always will be."

Bud is made from rice. Says so right on the can. Not that it's any good.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 01:46 PM | Reply

A valuable health lesson brought tot you by the diary industry.

#34 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-13 06:03 PM | Reply

A valuable health lesson brought tot you by the diary industry.

POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2018-07-13 06:03 PM | REPLY

Hey leave my bovine moo juice alone. You udder intellectual astute statements on other threads. Why do you feel the need to sully your record on a dairy thread??? Dairy is GOOD for you. I should know.

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-13 06:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Dairy is GOOD for you."

^
"NIDDK estimates that up to 75% of all adult African Americans and Native Americans and 90% of Asian Americans are lactose intolerant."

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 06:43 PM | Reply

Bud is made from rice.#33 | Posted by snoofy And it can not be sold as beer in Europe. Literally they call it "American Budweiser", the real Budweiser is from the Czech Republic and it is as good as a beer can get. But honestly, beer is not gourmet. I have had good beer in China, Korea, Japan Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Honduras, and every country in Europe except France, they do not make a beer worth a damn. The vast majority of their wine and cigarettes suck too.

#37 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-13 09:49 PM | Reply

"Bud is made from rice.#33 | Posted by snoofy And it can not be sold as beer in Europe."

Budweiser is quite popular in Ireland.
I was surprised too.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-13 09:55 PM | Reply

#38 | Posted by snoofy The reason Bud became popular back when was because it travels well. It still does.

#39 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-13 10:05 PM | Reply

How could that actually be wrong? Now compare that to how sugar is extracted from sugar beets....
#19 | Posted by HeliumRat
Cocaine is all natural too. Still not good for you.
#20 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-07-12 08:22 PM

I have a theory that cocaine is secretly more widely used among media and politicians than maybe alcohol.

"You need to take your medication!" was recently shouted at Gomert, but doesn't cocaine turn people more aggressive?

This is another interesting thread about turning the old "knowledge" on it's ear. Raw milk is extremely healthful. Pasteurization and homogenization destroy the beneficial bacteria and make the fats less digestible.

Unfortunately the state laws regarding processing and selling raw milk have almost made it an illegal commodity like bee pollen.

#40 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-07-14 04:27 AM | Reply

#40 | Posted by redlightrobot Back before the milk regulations, people died every summer from "milk sickness". Most bacteria are benign, a few however will kill you. Unfortunately we can not selectively kill bacteria.

#41 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-14 11:25 AM | Reply

Too much of any fat is not good for anyone.

Obesity is the CAUSE of almost ALL circulatory illness including heart disease.

Obesity is entirely life-style controlled and a personal choice of a diet and exercise or lack thereof.

#42 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-07-14 12:33 PM | Reply

Too much of any fat is not good for anyone.
Obesity is the CAUSE of almost ALL circulatory illness including heart disease.
Obesity is entirely life-style controlled and a personal choice of a diet and exercise or lack thereof.

POSTED BY GETOFFMEDZ AT 2018-07-14 12:33 PM | REPLY

Oh who asked you anyways???

#43 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-14 12:40 PM | Reply

#43 - Sorry you are obese.

No offense, meant.

#44 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-07-14 01:11 PM | Reply

#43 - Sorry you are obese.
No offense, meant.

POSTED BY GETOFFMEDZ AT 2018-07-14 01:11 PM | REPLY

ROFLMMFAO Tis OK. Just had a Dr.s visit flashback is all.

#45 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-14 01:14 PM | Reply

Unlike drugs, I find it easy to say no to milk. Cheese and ice cream are another matter.

#46 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-14 03:19 PM | Reply

#40 | Posted by redlightrobot Back before the milk regulations, people died every summer from "milk sickness". Most bacteria are benign, a few however will kill you. Unfortunately we can not selectively kill bacteria.
#41 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2018-07-14 11:25 AM

I spray minutely charged silver ions in a water suspension to kill all pathogens, you can purchase Sovereign Silver commonly. Having worked in the medical industry for several years, this always works for me when others would get sick and up their use of alcohol sanitizers until their skin cracks. Medically trained staff consider this pure voodoo.

Prior to refrigeration milk was transported by including a silver coin killing some beneficial bacteria but also all pathogens.

#47 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-07-14 03:34 PM | Reply

#47 | Posted by redlightrobot They mariners back in the days of sail used silver coins to purify water on long voyages. It works pretty well, but not perfectly. Brass does the same thing. Bacteria can't live in that surface. Talking to my older relatives, they drank milk at breakfast, churned butter, made cheese with the buttermilk. Starting with something like feta, then adding salt and a regent before cooking it to make harder cheese.

#48 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-15 09:27 AM | Reply

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