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Ron Mallett has a dream: He wants to travel in time. This isn't mere fantasy - Mallett is a respected professor of physics. "I think of myself as being an ordinary person with a passion, and my passion is the possibility of time travel," he says. Prof Mallett has wanted to build a time machine for most of his life. His passion, he explains, can be traced to a tragic event early in his life.

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Time Tunnel... one of my fav shows when I was a wee laddie.

If I had a time tunnel I would go back in time and tell MODER8's parents, "don't let your kid become a lawyer... he will suck at it."

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-07-12 08:50 AM | Reply

Plenty of Nursing Homes with time machines in them. Visit one and let them take you back to yesteryear.

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-12 08:52 AM | Reply

I do not believe there will ever be a time machine. To believe in a time machine you need to believe that previous or future events are happening right now. I don't believe any of it.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-12 09:02 AM | Reply

I do not believe there will ever be a time machine.

Of course there can be. All you have to do is get hold of crashed alien tech from Roswell and use the very special fuel from the UFO to make a time machine that can go back 7 days and undo.. everything ...as long as you can do it in a week.

Oh wait... that was a TV show too... but a good one.

www.youtube.com

Question is... if you could go back just 7 days, would that have been enough to undo the coming of the DOTARD???

#4 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-07-12 09:34 AM | Reply

Plenty of Nursing Homes with time machines in them. Visit one and let them take you back to yesteryear.

#2 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2018-07-12 08:52 AM | REPLY | FLAG

www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2018-07-12 12:08 PM | Reply

I travel from the present to the future every day.

Your body is a time machine. It will transport you from day 0 to 60 or so years into the future. If you are lucky. Unfortunately it won't go backwards in time.

Good luck with that. Going back in time has serious problems. They can only be resolved if there are multiple universes.

So then you could go back in time but it would be a completely different time line than the one you left.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-12 01:47 PM | Reply

Your body is a time machine. It will transport you from day 0 to 60 or so years into the future. If you are lucky. Unfortunately it won't go backwards in time.

POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-07-12 01:47 PM | REPLY

Sure it can and will if you are lucky enough. You will return to diapers a bottle a banky and slobbering your food on your geriatric bib and you will coo at your nurse like you used to coo at your mother.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-12 01:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"You will return to diapers a bottle a banky and slobbering your food on your geriatric bib and you will coo at your nurse like you used to coo at your mother."

I honestly hope I never live that long.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-12 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The fourth dimension is partially collapsed, you can only travel forward in it. Einstein and others postulated something called "closed timelike curves" though, and his explanation makes a whole lot of sense, like everything Mr. IQ 234 said. But the belief is it takes way too much energy to do something like that, like converting Jupiter into energy or finding a rapidly spinning near the speed-of-light sort of cylindrical black hoed (which exposes a singularity not hidden by an event horizon), and use the frame-dragging effect to do that.

So it does sound sort of hard.

Link to "closed timelike curves" - en.wikipedia.org

#9 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 04:28 PM | Reply

Anyone dumb enough to build one of these had better figure out any and all potential parodoxs before undoing reality.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2018-07-12 07:18 PM | Reply

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If the past, present and future already exist, then there can be no paradoxes as it all has to just be consistent. That means if you travel back in time and try to call yourself, if you never got that call, the call just wont connect for some reason. This would mean if time travel ever is to exist, we'd already know about it, unless the infinite number of future time travellers are unbelievably good at keeping it secret.

#11 | Posted by Snowfake at 2018-07-12 07:37 PM | Reply

If you can actually travel into the future then you don't actually have the power to make decisions because it is already all laid out for us. Problem with travel into the future is, what if we change our mind in the now? Time travel is total --------. It will never happen. Total nonsense.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-12 09:43 PM | Reply

If you can actually travel into the future then you don't actually have the power to make decisions because it is already all laid out for us. Problem with travel into the future is, what if we change our mind in the now? Time travel is total --------. It will never happen. Total nonsense.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-07-12 09:43 PM | REPLY

Never heard of Spring Forward have you??? That is time travel.

#13 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-12 09:45 PM | Reply

If I could purchase a time machine I would travel back to Roswell and see what it really was that crashed in 1947.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-07-12 09:47 PM | Reply

A UFO An Unidentified Federal Object.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-12 09:49 PM | Reply

Time travel is total --------. It will never happen. Total nonsense.
POSTED BY DANNI

I was joking about my body but we do travel forward all the time. And the faster you go the more you travel forward compared to anyone not moving.

If you left the earth and traveled at speeds approaching the speed of light when you returned everyone you knew would be dead and gone.

Going backwards presents special problems and likely will never be possible. I think it will only be possible if there are an infinite number of universes. So going backwards would place you into another universe on a different timeline. Then you could come back and nothing would be different or changed in your timeline.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 01:48 AM | Reply

"I was joking about my body but we do travel forward all the time. And the faster you go the more you travel forward compared to anyone not moving."

Either events in the future have already happened and we are just experiencing them later or they haven't yet happened and thus there is no way to travel into the future. I firmly believe the latter because if it isn't the case then we don't have free will to make our own decisions.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 07:44 AM | Reply

We do go back in time every time we observe distant parts of our universe. Bell's Theorem proves there is an instantaneous random connection across space-time. But, instantaneous is not backwards. There are some things you should pot put the human body through, including visiting black holes and attempting traveling backwards in time, which probably violates the laws of thermodynamics, much less the notion of cause and effect which requires time to have one direction, unlike space.

#18 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-13 08:08 AM | Reply

"We do go back in time every time we observe distant parts of our universe."

No we don't. We have found ways to capture the light emitted a long time ago but we are still in the present. There is no such thing as time travel. It isn't ever going to happen. We could find ways to observe ancient events by capturing the light emitted at the time but even that would be impossible because that light is traveling away at 186,000 miles per second and to view it we'd need a rocket to catch it. That would be an incredibly fast rocket.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 08:16 AM | Reply

Trump calls his time machine Spra-meh-orunge

#20 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-07-13 09:26 AM | Reply

"There is no such thing as time travel. It isn't ever going to happen."

Umm. Einstein proved that time speeds up for others as you go faster.

Going forward is "relatively" easy. Going backwards is the problem.

"Traveling forwards in time is surprisingly easy. Einstein's special theory of relativity, developed in 1905, shows that time passes at different rates for people who are moving relative to one another - although the effect only becomes large when you get close to the speed of light.

If one were to leave Earth in a spacecraft travelling at an appreciable fraction of lightspeed, turn around and come back, only a few years might have passed on board but many years could have gone by on Earth. This is known as the "twins paradox", since a traveller undertaking such a journey would return to find herself much younger than her twin."

www.physics.org

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 10:21 AM | Reply

Time travel might be possible. But it deals with the dimensions beyond the four we exist in. Now how do we control things we can not measure, see or have any concept of?

#22 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-13 10:33 AM | Reply

how do we control things we can not measure, see or have any concept of?

A sharp smack to the back of the head might work in your case.

#23 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-07-13 10:41 AM | Reply

Now how do we control things we can not measure, see or have any concept of?

#22 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

There is obviously a lot of things you have no concept of of. That doesn't stop the rest of us.

I use an o-scope, multimeter, spectrum analyzer, network analyzer, and a computer and lots of other test equipment to measure all kinds of things you have no concept of.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 10:52 AM | Reply

#19: A light year is a unit of astronomical distance equivalent to the distance that light travels in one year, which is 9.4607 × 1012 km (nearly 6 trillion miles). The nearest big galaxy, the Andromeda Galaxy, is 21 quintillion km away. So everything we see there happened 10 million years ago. There are galaxies much farther away than that. Still confused Danni?

#25 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-13 12:18 PM | Reply

#24 | Posted by donnerboy Actually I have use all those instruments in a professional capacity, with the exception of the oscilloscope. Look under the hood of a commercial truck built in the last 20 years. The only thing the driver has control of now is the steering wheel. Look under the dash, it gets even more exotic, GPS, transponder, data link, and all kinds of bells and whistles you probity don't know about. So, what kind of instrument do you measure the multiverse where time does not exist and every thing occupies the same space continually?

#26 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-13 12:24 PM | Reply

"There are galaxies much farther away than that. Still confused Danni?"

I said: "No we don't. We have found ways to capture the light emitted a long time ago but we are still in the present."

#27 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 12:28 PM | Reply

"We could find ways to observe ancient events by capturing the light emitted at the time but even that would be impossible because that light is traveling away at 186,000 miles per second and to view it we'd need a rocket to catch it. That would be an incredibly fast rocket."

When I said that, I meant to see something that happened here a long time ago. To do that we would have to be far enough away for that light to just be arriving at the place where we would have traveled to. Even if that were possible we would still be in the present viewing light from a long time ago just as we view light from stars now.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-13 12:31 PM | Reply

So, what kind of instrument do you measure the multiverse where time does not exist and every thing occupies the same space continually?

#26 | Posted by docnjo

You misunderstand the theory of the multiverse.

Infinite multiverse branch off every instant from ours and do not occupy the same space. They are different universes. theoretically.

How do I measure them? we are still ill-equipped to see the underlying quantum reality. But, there was also a time when we did not have o-scopes and millimeters and spectrum analyzers to measure the movements of electrons either.

here are four ways to "see' and understand the multiverse theory..

1 The wave function

In the traditional Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, the wave function is said to "collapse" when the measurement is taken, but it isn't clear how this happens. (Schrödinger's famous cat, neither alive nor dead until someone looks inside its box, illustrates this.) In the multiverse, the wave function never collapses: rather, it describes the property across multiple universes. In this universe, the atom's spin is up; in another universe, it's down.

2 Wave-particle duality

In the landmark experiment( www.newscientist.com ), photons are were sent one at a time towards a pair of -----, with a phosphorescent screen behind them. Take a measurement at either ----, and you'll register individual photons passing particle-like through one or the other. But leave the apparatus alone, and an interference pattern will build up on the screen, as if each photon had passed through both ----- simultaneously and diffracted at each, like a classical wave.

3 Quantum computing

Though quantum computers are in their infancy, they are in theory incredibly powerful, capable of solving complex problems far faster than any ordinary computer. In the Copenhagen interpretation, ( this is because the computer is working with entangled "qubits" which can take many more states than the binary states available to the "bits" used by classical computers. In the multiverse interpretation, it's because it conducts the necessary calculations in many universes at once.

4 Quantum Russian roulette

This amounts to playing the role of Schrödinger's cat. You'll need a gun whose firing is controlled by a quantum property, such as an atom's spin, which has two possible states when measured. If the Copenhagen interpretation is right, you have the familiar 50-50 odds of survival. The more times you "play", the less likely you are to survive.

If the multiverse is real, on the other hand, there always will be a universe in which "you" are alive, no matter how long you play. What's more, you might always end up in it, thanks to the exalted status of the "observer" in quantum mechanics. You would just hear a series of clicks as the gun failed to fire every time – and realise you're immortal. But be warned: even if you can get hold of a quantum gun, physicists have long argued about how this most decisive of experiments would actually work out.

www.newscientist.com

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 01:10 PM | Reply

Link to "closed timelike curves" - en.wikipedia.org
#9 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

Is that similar to the science behind Interstellar? When they approached the giant black hole, time for them slowed down immensely. So in a sense, they went forward in the future by being frozen in time, right?

On a side note, I'm convinced a time machine is possible, but it would be one of those that can only send you back to the point in time that you started up the newly invented time machine. IOW, if you invented the time machine in 2018, you wouldn't be able to go back any further in time than that point in 2018. Five years from now, you'll be able to go back into the past, but only five years. The question then becomes do YOU actually travel or does a composite of you travel? IOW, do you actually travel back in time? Or would the machine open up a parallel universe where a composite of you went back in time, but the real you is still in present time/present universe? Finally, if the latter, would there be any evidence that something did happen? Would we even know?

#30 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-07-13 01:43 PM | Reply

Then you could come back and nothing would be different or changed in your timeline.
#16 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Yeah, this is sort of what I was getting at in my #30.

#31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-07-13 01:45 PM | Reply

As our political system continues to degenerate and become more dysfunctional the time traveler who travels to the future, will find the Democratic party run by "Eloi" and the Republican party run by the "Morlocks" :)

#32 | Posted by shane at 2018-07-13 04:22 PM | Reply

If you went back to the mesozoic and brought back a dinosaur bone how old would carbon dating say it was?

#33 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-07-13 04:26 PM | Reply

Danni,

I agree, our bodies cannot go back in time. But we can observe the past under some circumstances. I think traveling backwards would decrease entropy, which like time only increases with time. So this "professor" is FoS.

#34 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-07-13 06:01 PM | Reply

#26 | Posted by docnjo

Holy cats?! You've never used an o-scope?

Check this out: what is the electrical resistance across your body? Take you multi-meter out and grab the tip of each probe in each hand. You should be right around exactly 1 million ohms. Then try to vary it with your mind. Give it a shot.

#35 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-13 06:29 PM | Reply

Then try to vary it with your mind. Give it a shot.

#35 | Posted by HeliumRat

My Resistance is obviously a lot higher.

That's because I am a leader of the "Deep State" don't you know?

Resistance is what we do!

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-13 06:31 PM | Reply

#30 Never saw Interstellar. Anyway, you need to look what the frame-dragging effect is and how it actually operates. It's basically when awesome mass spins at awesome speed, it drags space-time around it, which means it's dragging your frame of reference. So go read that.

As to the other part, I don't think you can travel that far back. In the future, we might have something like prophetic targeting computers that know where you are going to dodge, or even weapons that can hit you slightly in the past, so all you have to do is aim at where your target was. But even that sounds like a truly huge outlay of energy. Traveling farther back than a few seconds sounds really impossibly hard, but I guess that is one way to clone yourself....

#37 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-13 06:38 PM | Reply

#36 | Posted by donnerboy

If he tries that, I'll tell him what he can do with a decent o-scope....

#38 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-13 07:25 PM | Reply

#35 | Posted by HeliumRat, O scopes are used to measure frequency. I worked on diesel trucks and heavy equipment, the transponders and data links on those are preset. There is no way to adjust the frequency on those components, they are sealed. Break the seal, void the warranty.

#39 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-13 08:03 PM | Reply

#9 Well, do the multi-meter thing when you go to work tomorrow. Or are you retired? No access to an ohm-meter anymore? No biggie if you can't. I'm pretty sure somebody here will take up the challenge....

#40 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-13 08:28 PM | Reply

This thread helped confirm my long held belief that, the real liberal, the die-hard dem, the on the edge of the extreme left, are not the open & out of the box thinkers they believe they are.

Danni is a perfect example of what I mean, and not just picking on Danni. I could list others on this thread as well. It's also so arrogant to speak in such definitive words on such a topic.

If anyone thinks Einstein is the end all be all to the physics of the universe, or even that a physicist of today is or may be, hold on to your pants. The genius of Einstein, just as Newton, Galileo etc. has always been built upon & will continue to be so.

Honestly, some of you have spoken as if you're a theoretical physicist.

#41 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-07-13 11:04 PM | Reply

If the multiverse is real, on the other hand, there always will be a universe in which "you" are alive, no matter how long you play. What's more, you might always end up in it, thanks to the exalted status of the "observer" in quantum mechanics. You would just hear a series of clicks as the gun failed to fire every time – and realise you're immortal. But be warned: even if you can get hold of a quantum gun, physicists have long argued about how this most decisive of experiments would actually work out.
www.newscientist.com
#29 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-07-13 01:10 PM

Does that make sense? That there are unlimited moments when alleged exact replicas divide from their otherwise exact replica existences?

I believe that interpretation is really, really crazy.

#42 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-07-14 04:13 AM | Reply

42

The key word you used, I believe, is 'believe'.

Belief has no place, other than to form a hypothesis or theory, in this realm of discussion. Yep, realm was pun intended.

As for your question of, 'does that make sense?'. It has been proven repeatedly that you can split a photon (exact replicas), separate them by any chosen distance and then apply what is referred to as a 'tickling' effect to one of them. IOW's, create a reaction of any type in one of the photons.

Every single time this is done, the other photon, the one that has not been 'tickled' or tampered with at all, will react exactly as the photon that has been tickled. More impressively, they react at the exact same times, in the exact same ways; as if they were never separated at all and are still one, and regardless of the distance of separation between them.

#43 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-07-14 09:28 AM | Reply

Real quick on part of Donners C/P.

It is a shame most people are not aware of the "observer" factor, which is also a proven repeatable experiment. The fact that a 'particle' will act differently, in the same experiment, based solely on whether a person is watching it with their eyes or not looking at it, or even if only a camera is doing the observing.

We don't know this stuff because too many old white F***s would lose their precious status, awards, and careers to dare speak the truth about real science today.

It's called no integrity, cowardliness, and true betrayal to the human race.

#44 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-07-14 09:41 AM | Reply

What the Bleep Do We Know!?

whatthebleep.com

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-14 10:06 AM | Reply

I believe that interpretation is really, really crazy.

#42 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

You know what's really crazy?

Spooky Action at a Distance.

That one defies the laws of physics. Yet it has been proven to be true.

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-14 10:24 AM | Reply

#43 | Posted by 9mmHeater

Those photons where never really separated at all, as demonstrated. We see them as being separate because our reality is like a hologram projected from a much more profound underlying reality. But as you can see, they are still the same photon on a higher level, even if mirrored in our pathetic space-time for our monkey-brains.

#47 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 05:19 PM | Reply

I would love to go back in time. Maybe just to get a second chance at a few things here and there. Said a few things I regret I would love to take back. I was 18 when my pops died. I was at an age where we butted heads quite a bit and weren't talking much. I would certainly change that. I'd love to have a couple wrestling matches back in HS. Oh and to talk a friend out of killing himself over a girl at 21. Wish I would have seen that coming.

#48 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-07-14 05:29 PM | Reply

Oh and to talk a friend out of killing himself over a girl at 21. Wish I would have seen that coming.

POSTED BY BYRDMAN AT 2018-07-14 05:29 PM | REPLY

Trust me on this. Suicide rarely advertise it's coming. It happens without others knowing it's going to happen. Nothing you could have done different.

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-14 05:36 PM | Reply

"This thread helped confirm my long held belief that, the real liberal, the die-hard dem, the on the edge of the extreme left, are not the open & out of the box thinkers they believe they are."

If the past exists beyond the moment of the present then it does so in the light that is leaving that place at 186,000 miles per second. There is no reason to believe that the "past" continues to exist in the place where that "moment" actually occurred. If you want to review it then build a rocket fast enough to catch it but even if you do you'll need a huge web of sensors because at that distance the light emitted will be difused across millions of miles of space. Then, if you can do all of that you will be able to see a past event but you will still remain in the present.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-14 05:52 PM | Reply

#50 | Posted by danni

You would have to take off and go faster than light to see anything from before you took off by catching up to it. Also, radio and TV transmissions only last 1.6 light-years before they fade below the level of background radiation and get totally swamped into static.

Everybody knows that, you dork.

#51 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 06:01 PM | Reply

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