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These Chilling Cases Prove Otherwise. There's been a spate of violent far-right extremism since the 2016 election. Four days after a homemade bomb blew through the window of a mosque in Bloomington, Minnesota, in August 2017, Sebastian Gorka, then a national security aide to President Donald Trump, commented about the attack. Though the culprits were still unknown, Gorka suggested that the bombing may have been a "fake hate crime" ginned up by leftists. He also scoffed at journalists who had raised questions about right-wing domestic terrorism: "It's this constant, ‘Oh, it's the white man. It's the white supremacists. That's the problem.' No, it isn't." Seven months later, federal prosecutors charged three suspects in the bombing. The accused, all white men who belonged to a militia group called the White Rabbit 3 Percent Illinois Patriot Freedom Fighters, allegedly hoped to "scare [Muslims] out of the country" by telling them, "You're not welcome here -- get the fuck out."

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(The three were also charged for a failed bombing at an Illinois abortion provider.) About four months prior to the mosque attack, the alleged ringleader, a 47-year-old contractor named Michael Hari, had submitted a proposal to help build Trump's border wall. Hari's company pitched a "culturally significant" design that would "protect our way of life" and defend America's "Anglo-Saxon heritage, Western culture, and English language."

A month later, Congress passed a joint resolution "urging the President and the President's Cabinet to use all available resources to address the threats" posed by "the growing prevalence" of "White nationalists, White supremacists, the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis, and other hate groups." Trump signed the bill quietly. That same day, he tweeted 11 times but said nothing about the joint resolution. Two months later, he retweeted graphic anti-Muslim videos posted by a far-right hate group -- continuing his long-running pattern of amplifying content from extremists.

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According to research by Mother Jones, since October 2016 there have been at least two bomb plots and 15 violent attacks and killings around the country committed by people who expressed racist, xenophobic, anti-Semitic, or right-wing anti-government views -- leaving 21 people dead and 27 others injured.

The 15 violent attacks -- five of them since Charlottesville -- have been investigated and prosecuted by local and federal authorities.

"Clearly, the racist rhetoric throughout the presidential campaign and continuing into Trump's administration has empowered white supremacist groups to be much more public," says Michael German, who infiltrated neo-Nazi and militia groups as an FBI agent and is now a fellow at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice. "It's very dangerous because these people who have a history of violence now feel they have state sanction to commit violence."

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-11 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#1

There are good people on both sides; the Klan and the Nazis!

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-11 09:22 PM | Reply

Snopes has a good article: www.snopes.com

"Between 12 September 2001 and 31 December 2016, there were 23 fatal "Radical Islamist Violent Extremist-Motivated Attacks," resulting in a total of 119 deaths in the United States. In the same time period, there were 62 fatal "far-right violent extremist-motivated attacks", leading to 106 deaths."

But please keep in mind that Muslims as a whole make up 1.1% of the population of America, here: www.pewresearch.org

Now what percentage of America is probably frothing mad barking at the Moon insane far right like in "Blood in the Face"? And what is the difference?

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-11 10:01 PM | Reply

#3 From the Snopes article you link to:

Just two events account for more than half of the 119 deaths resulting from Muslim extremist attacks: the December 2015 San Bernardino attack, which killed 14 people, and the June 2016 Pulse night club attack, which killed 49 people.

According to the University of Maryland's START consortium, between 12 September 2001 and 2016 there were 31 fatal "Islamist extremist" attacks, leading to 119 deaths. In the same time period, there were 89 "far-right extremist" attacks, resulting in a total of 158 deaths.
So both data sources agree that far-right extremist attacks are far more common, but they differ on the total number of deaths, with one source concluding that Muslim extremist violence has killed slightly more people (119 deaths, as opposed to 106), and another concluding that far-right extremist violence has killed significantly more (158 deaths, as opposed to 119).

According to START, Muslim extremist violence killed seven times more people than far-right extremist violence between 1990 and 2016, despite five times fewer fatal attacks. However, this period included the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and the attacks of 11 September 2001, the two deadliest terrorist incidents in American history. When those outliers are removed from the figures, according to START, far-right extremist violence caused 272 deaths between 1990 and 2016 -- more than twice as many as the 130 deaths from Islamic extremism during the same period.

So whether Muslim or far-right extremists have killed more Americans depends on how you measure such incidents and which source you use. And sorting through attacks and placing them in the categories of "terrorism", "violent extremism" or "hate crimes" can sometimes be extremely complicated.

But when it comes to extremist violence perpetrated by refugees, the numbers are unequivocal. In the four decades between 1975 and 2015, only 20 individuals who arrived in the U.S. as refugees either attempted or carried out a terrorist attack – resulting in three deaths. And, of most relevance to President Donald Trump's proposed immigration ban, all three of those killings were perpetrated by anti-Castro refugees.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-11 10:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#3 Trump is very good at speaking up about Muslim terror attacks but not so good about speaking up about white supremacist attacks. Despite your attempt at deflection, the latter is what this thread is about.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-11 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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One represents voters for him and the other doesn't.

And it polls better to address Muslim terror.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2018-07-11 10:28 PM | Reply

Gal, both religions are nothing but hate and oppression. You desperately need to see Micheal Moore's "Blood in the Face". For God's sake, at least watch some youtube clips of it.

Half of Muslims in America want Sharia law to replace the Constitution. Yeah, I know, SJW's and feminists have demonstrated how racist and sexist teh Bill of Rights is, but you seriously take pause at people that hate what seems to me to be fundamental human rights.

Oh course, YMMV.

#7 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-11 10:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Half of Muslims in America want Sharia law to replace the Constitution."

Link?

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-11 11:11 PM | Reply

Half of Muslims in America want Sharia law to replace the Constitution.

So, ain't happenin'.

#9 | Posted by et_al at 2018-07-11 11:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am frigging shocked! Can you not use duckduckgo?

Shock Poll: 51% of U.S. Muslims Want Sharia; 25% Okay with Violence Against Americans: www.breitbart.com

Here is a more global look by Huffpost if you doubt that: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/muslim-survey_n_3186144.html

You never heard anything like this?

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-11 11:38 PM | Reply

i don't read breitbart, it's been debunked on snopes too many times.

I sincerely doubt half of american muslims want to replace the constitution with sharia law.

#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-11 11:43 PM | Reply

here's some breitbart readers commenting:


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The 1hyperborean RT72
3 years ago
Tired of the talk. let me know when it's open season on Musli'mes
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cajunwarthog The 1hyperborean
3 years ago
Lock and load....
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landover43@yahoo.com The 1hyperborean
a year ago
Time to thin the herd.
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#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-11 11:46 PM | Reply

#10

Thread is about far-right extremism. Take your Muslim-bashing whataboutism Deflections and shove them.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-12 12:06 AM | Reply

I found it interesting that the breakdown between terrorism in America in this article was just between the brainwashed far right and the brainwashed Muslim extremists. At no point was AntiFa mentioned, in name or deed. Because brainwashed leftist extremists are also no doubt carrying about as many terrorist attacks, though I'm pretty sure against mostly little old ladies or something, or why that one guy shot up 500 people at a country music festival in Las Vegas (though to fair, we have absolutely zero evidence on that coming out publicly).

#14 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 12:27 AM | Reply

You never heard anything like this?

I've heard all kinds of crap like that. It was, is and will remain crap. Sharia law ain't happenin' in the US, idiots notwithstanding.

#15 | Posted by et_al at 2018-07-12 12:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15 | Posted by et_al

Yeah, true. But look at that terrorism rate. One really, really tiny group does that? And believes that? Did you read the HuffPo story?

IMHO, not letting people that really wan't to go terrorist from entering out country is like our policy of not letting people who where members of Hitler's SS from immigrating into the Unites States. Oh, wait, other than Paperclip and Sunset. But you see what I'm saying, right?

#16 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 12:56 AM | Reply

Dude, smoke a bowl or something, whatever chills you out.

#17 | Posted by et_al at 2018-07-12 01:10 AM | Reply

Yeah, I dig it. Right about now people in China are waking up, and they don't know the dangers of fluoridation yet. Thank God I have the John Birch Society on my side. Okay, peace out!

#18 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 01:19 AM | Reply

Dammit, can't sleep. et_al, you did read the HuffPo story in #10, right? I'll link again.

www.huffingtonpost.com

Granted, HuffPo is run by militant feminist lesbians, but then I recently learned here that both Politico and Wikipedia are secretly controlled by Nazi's, and that fact is undeniable. And as a philosophical sort of person, I actually enjoy being truthed, so see if you can point out any issues in the HuffPo article you may have with my opinion.

#19 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 01:36 AM | Reply

... you did read ...

No.

You seem to confuse want with will.

#20 | Posted by et_al at 2018-07-12 02:18 AM | Reply

HeliumRat's response to the thread has been fearmongering Muslims.

Quite Pavlovian.

Eberly pretty much summed it up.

They're his base. He's a smart man. He knows how to work an audience.

They hate what they fear.

Muslims are a constant enemy. It will always sell.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-07-12 02:39 AM | Reply

#21 Is it bigoted to say that not all cultures are equal?

#22 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 02:52 AM | Reply

Your own stats show that there are less than 100 murderous jihadis and white supremacists. Their death toll is a tiny fraction of those killed by distracted drivers.

If Trump wanted to trade freedom for lives, he would ban cell phone usage in cars instead of Muslim or Norweigan immigrants.
But Trump is just baiting racists, and it appears to be working.

#23 | Posted by bored at 2018-07-12 04:50 AM | Reply

Is it bigoted to say that not all cultures are equal?
#22 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

I'd say, in society, it is where you are born that determines your perceived worth.

As humans, we never treat each other as equals. Whether due to race or religion or sex or sexuality or sexual identification. Or which street you were born on. Or which family you were born into.

So are we all born equal? Yes.

But environment kicks in real quick. And before you're aware of it. Society has already assessed your worth.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-07-12 05:09 AM | Reply

"#21 Is it bigoted to say that not all cultures are equal?
#22 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 02:52 AM"

No, but it is demagogic.

So, what metric would you be using to compare cultures?

Answer that and you'll answer if it is bigoted.

#25 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2018-07-12 07:04 AM | Reply

"Half of Muslims in America want Sharia law to replace the Constitution."

Pulled directly from his ass.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-12 09:54 AM | Reply

"And as a philosophical sort of person, I actually enjoy being truthed, so see if you can point out any issues in the HuffPo article you may have with my opinion."

"philosophical sort of person"....now that is funny!

#27 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-12 09:56 AM | Reply

Humpy should know all about Fake News. After all he invented it!!(or so he tells us).

Donald J Trump is one of the biggest source of regurgitated Fake News in the world.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-12 10:39 AM | Reply

I swear to God do I have to link all of you directly to the Pew research poll?

My God, think outside your (somewhat) damaged over-arching memeplex for once.

#29 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-12 04:46 PM | Reply

"I swear to God do I have to link all of you directly to the Pew research poll?
My God, think outside your (somewhat) damaged over-arching memeplex for once.
#29 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2018-07-12 04:46 PM"

'Religious conversions haven't had a large impact on the size of the U.S. Muslim population, largely because about as many Americans convert to Islam as leave the faith. Indeed, while about one-in-five American Muslim adults were raised in a different faith tradition and converted to Islam, a similar share of Americans who were raised Muslim now no longer identify with the faith.'

Wow! They sound like real Sharia Law Boosters!

Hey look! It's from the Pew Research link you provided:

www.pewresearch.org

#30 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2018-07-14 05:51 AM | Reply

#30 Jesus Christ you are an idiot. That was a link about 1.1% of America's population being Muslim. That was in post #3. Read it again.

I can't believe you just did that. Now tell me you where wrong and apologize.

Damn. And that wasn't funny if you where trying to make a joke. But I know you wheren't. That was just idiocy.

#31 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 06:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not a single person is going to read even the HuffPo piece? What about the Brietbart piece? Those are both stories taken straight from the Pew data. Damn.

#32 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-07-14 06:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It was the only Pew Research link you provided.

I might be an idiot, but at least I don't reference Breitbart.
Q.E.D..

As to the Huffington Post link, the better question would be: Did YOU read it?

"Muslims are not equally comfortable with all aspects of sharia," the study said. "Most do not believe it should be applied to non-Muslims."

Unlike codified Western law, sharia is a loosely defined set of moral and legal guidelines based on the Koran, the sayings of Prophet Mohammad (hadith) and Muslim traditions. Its rules and advice cover everything from prayers to personal hygiene.

Amaney Jamal, a Princeton University political scientist who was special adviser for the project, said Muslims in poor and repressive societies tended to identify sharia with basic Islamic values such as equality and social justice.

"In those societies, you tend to see significant support for sharia," she told journalists on a conference call. By contrast, Muslims who have lived under "narrow if not rigid" Islamic systems were less supportive of sharia as the official law."

and

"More than four-fifths of the 38,000 Muslims interviewed in 39 countries said non-Muslims in their countries could practice their faith freely and that this was good.

This view was strongest in South Asia, where 97 percent of Bangladeshis and 96 percent of Pakistanis agreed, while the lowest Middle Eastern result was 77 percent in Egypt."

www.huffingtonpost.com

As for another of your sparkling comments,
'I can't believe you just did that. Now tell me you where (sic) wrong and apologize.':

I'm sorry for the way you are.

#33 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2018-07-14 07:26 AM | Reply

Meanwhile, how about something from Pew Research that is not five years old.

Here's something only a year old:

"In other areas, however, there is less unity. For instance, a Pew Research Center survey of Muslims in 39 countries asked Muslims whether they want sharia law, a legal code based on the Quran and other Islamic scripture, to be the official law of the land in their country. Responses on this question vary widely. Nearly all Muslims in Afghanistan (99%) and most in Iraq (91%) and Pakistan (84%) support sharia law as official law. But in some other countries, especially in Eastern Europe and Central Asia – including Turkey (12%), Kazakhstan (10%) and Azerbaijan (8%) – relatively few favor the implementation of sharia law."

www.pewresearch.org

#34 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2018-07-14 07:31 AM | Reply

"What about the Brietbart piece?"

This, from the poster who claimed his sources were Wikipedia and Politico. Turns out it was Breitbart and Alex Jones; no wonder he thought Charlottesville was all about monument preservation.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-07-14 09:45 AM | Reply

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