Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, July 10, 2018

From celebrities to the grassroots, the right is obsessed with the idea there is a secret conspiracy where Hillary is headed for Gitmo. Here's everything you need to know. Plotters in the deep state tried to shoot down Air Force One and foil President Trump's North Korea summit. A cabal of global elites, including top figures in Hollywood, the Democratic Party, and the intelligence agencies, are responsible for nearly all the evil in the world. And now Trump is going to fix it all with thousands of sealed indictments, sending the likes of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama straight to Guantanamo Bay. Or at least that's how the world is going for the believers of QAnon, the complex pro-Trump conspiracy theory that's starting to having unpredictable effects in real life. The real news can be bad for Trump, but in QAnon-world, the president and his supporters really are getting sick of winning.

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In April, hundreds of QAnon believers staged a march in downtown Washington, D.C. with a vague demand for "transparency" from the Justice Department. "Q" shirts have become frequent sites at Trump rallies, with one QAnon believer scoring VIP access. In June, an armed man in an homemade armored truck shut down a highway near the Hoover Dam and held up signs referencing QAnon. And celebrities like comedian Roseanne Barr and former Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling have signed on.

QAnon is unusual, according to University of Miami professor Joseph Uscinski, because it offers Republicans an alternate view of the world when they already control nearly the entire government. Usually, "conspiracy theories are for losers," Uscinski said, "Normally you don't expect the winning party to use them, except when they're in trouble," Uscinski said.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-09 10:11 PM | Reply

The kicker is that Trump is the good guy and savior, personally chosen by the US military to save the world (the Schilling endorsed video, which is propaganda from somewhere, is included for viewing in the article):

Since Q's "breadcrumbs" are so vague, it's impossible to nail down exactly what the storyline is supposed to be. But the general story, outlined in a pro-QAnon video endorsed by Schilling, is that every president before Trump was a "criminal president" in league with all the nefarious groups of conspiracy theories past: the global banking elite, death squads operating on orders from Hillary Clinton, deep-state intelligence operatives, and Pizzagate-style pedophile rings. In an effort to break this cabal's grip, according to Q, the military convinced Trump to run for president.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-09 10:14 PM | Reply

Well, at least now we know where all our drudgie rwingers get their news.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2018-07-09 10:15 PM | Reply

AFAIK the original QAnon stopped posting updates in November,2017, but they certainly wove an interesting alt-current event history narrative.

#4 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-07-09 10:43 PM | Reply

I almost posted this article yesterday when I first read about Qanon.

All I can say is middle America is even dumber and more gullible than I ever thought possible.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-10 01:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Omorossa was Q.

#6 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-07-10 05:46 AM | Reply

Usually, "conspiracy theories are for losers," Uscinski said, "Normally you don't expect the winning party to use them, except when they're in trouble," Uscinski said.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07

So, maybe the losers who won are in trouble.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-10 07:16 AM | Reply

I always wondered why certain people never read. This is a possible answer: reading unbalanced them.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-10 07:17 AM | Reply

"AFAIK the original QAnon stopped posting updates in November,2017"

That would be inaccurate. He or she continues to post to this day. Of course, considering the venue, it's difficult to know if Q is or was ever one person.

#9 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-07-10 09:42 AM | Reply

FTR, if this is the first time you're ever hearing of Q you might want to ask yourself how big of a bubble you've chosen to live in.

#10 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-07-10 09:44 AM | Reply

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"FTR, if this is the first time you're ever hearing of Q you might want to ask yourself how big of a bubble you've chosen to live in."

I had heard about it but didn't know what it was all about. For example, I've seen tweets that claimed Obama, Clinton and many others were going to Gitmo. I also knew that the guy who threatened to blow up the dam was asking Trump to release the "real" IG report, but I didn't know where the idea that the real report wasn't released came from.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-10 10:20 AM | Reply

I missed this reporting from last December:

The Storm Is the New Pizzagate -- Only Worse

A new conspiracy theory called "The Storm" has taken the grimiest parts of the internet by, well, storm. Like Pizzagate, the Storm conspiracy features secret cabals, a child sex-trafficking ring led (in part) by the satanic Democratic Party, and of course, countless logical leaps and paranoid assumptions that fail to hold up under the slightest fact-based scrutiny. However, unlike Pizzagate, the Storm isn't focused on a single block of shops in D.C., or John Podesta's emails. It's much, much bigger than that.

As most terrible things do, this story begins with a post on /pol/, a sub-board of the more-or-less-anonymous, anything-goes website 4chan. Over the last few years, /pol/ -- which technically stands for "politically incorrect" -- has slowly but surely become a top contender for the ever-coveted title of the most upsetting community online. It's the sort of place where neo-Nazis and people who believe women shouldn't have basic human rights used to meet before we started verifying them on Twitter and electing them to public office. And as of late, it's expanded its ranks to include fringe members of all shapes and sizes.

nymag.com

IOW, I've been seeing evidence of Q's handy work without realizing where it came from:

According to Q, Trump was never really involved with Russia, and isn't actually under investigation by Mueller & Co. On the contrary, Q insists that it's actually Clinton and Obama who were corrupted by Putin (and are now actually under investigation by Mueller) because they're obviously just evil, money-hungry globalists who'll do anything for the highest bidder. (Oh, yeah, and they're also apparently into raping and killing children, though the crowd is split over whether this is because they're satanists or just part of some weird blackmail scheme involving the CIA.) Q also claims that Trump, the genius that he is, figured all of this out way back when he was just a measly presidential candidate, and has been pretending to love Putin and/or be involved with Russia ever since as a way to force a third party to investigate these horrors -- without drawing the attention of those evil Dems-who-must-not-be-named, of course -- because he's just that selfless of a leader.

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-07-10 10:28 AM | Reply

FTR, if this is the first time you're ever hearing of Q you might want to ask yourself how big of a bubble you've chosen to live in.

#10 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

Because I'm not closely familiar with a 4chan/Twitter troll? Sure.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2018-07-10 11:11 AM | Reply

"The biggest threat to humanity? The INTERNET: Experts raise concerns about the web's potential to incite violence, bring down governments and wipe us all out"

www.dailymail.co.uk

#14 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-10 11:55 AM | Reply

"FTR, if this is the first time you're ever hearing of Q you might want to ask yourself how big of a bubble you've chosen to live in."

Or you might want to ask yourself why you go to fake news sites.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-10 11:57 AM | Reply

"Or you might want to ask yourself why you go to fake news sites."

Translation: my bubble is really small.

#16 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-07-10 12:15 PM | Reply

This is what happens when the gloves come off and the nut jobs who used to keep their psychotic rants secret are stoked and groomed and encouraged by the right to the point that they just crap out every crazy-ass thing they've been seething about in one explosive bowel movement of lunacy. Watch out. Everybody grab a mop.

#17 | Posted by cbob at 2018-07-10 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"FTR, if this is the first time you're ever hearing of Q you might want to ask yourself how big of a bubble you've chosen to live in."

I first heard about it from this article a few days ago. I don't do twitter, 4chan, conspiracy theorist web sites. When I do stumble across some conspiracy crap on the internet, I usually close the window after the first few sentences. I live in a state that voted heavily for Trump and I've never heard anyone spouting this nonsense.

#18 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-07-11 07:41 AM | Reply

JEEEZ...this reads like a clive cussler 'dirk pitt' offering. cable networks..fairness doctrine..internet..citizens united..election fraud/collusion with a hostile foreign government..stolen supreme court seats. hell, maybe they're right

#19 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-07-11 09:40 AM | Reply

"Translation: my bubble is really small."

My bubble isn't small just because I don't do fake news. I can usually smell fake news and I ignore it. You, apparently, indulge in it. That is your choice but it is still a major danger we face in the era of the internet. As CBOB pointed out above:

"This is what happens when the gloves come off and the nut jobs who used to keep their psychotic rants secret are stoked and groomed and encouraged by the right to the point that they just crap out every crazy-ass thing they've been seething about in one explosive bowel movement of lunacy."

He is absolutely right and those, like you, who want to pretend that those of us who don't indulge fake news sites are living in bubbles is just plain stupid. You didn't used to be quite so stupid, I used to like your posts but lately, not so much.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-11 09:52 AM | Reply

JFK assassination conspiracy theories always had a traceable link to recent events with a lot of obvious political motivation.
this conspiracy was born in the mind of someone raised on 'Hackers' 'They Live' 'Red Dawn' 'The Matrix' and rush limbaugh

#21 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-07-11 11:26 AM | Reply

"JFK assassination conspiracy theories always had a traceable link to recent events with a lot of obvious political motivation."

And the basic fact that the Warren Commission was a bunch of dishonest politicians who truly did not want the truth exposed.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-11 11:36 AM | Reply

Much like the 9-11 Commission.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-11 11:36 AM | Reply

Christ, Danni. It's called understanding what other people are using for information. It does you no good to just disregard even the most dishonest sources when people are increasingly using them. Just calling people idiots for doing idiotic things doesn't really help persuade people to adopt your point of view. I certainly don't agree with Q or what his(?) followers are saying but it's dangerously myopic to write them off out of hand without getting to know what they believe and what they discuss doing. It's a big world out there, beyond the Retort and it's fifty or so regular users.

#24 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-07-11 11:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Clinton was smart enough and powerful enough to pull off this deep state ----, then they wouldn't have failed to shoot down AF1.

Also, how do conservatives believe this wild theory but cannot seem to accept how probable it is that the trump/Russia conspiracy is true?

Dumb ************* as always.

#25 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-07-11 02:34 PM | Reply

I read a few of Q's posts, Nostradamus is less vague. Q is pure bull feathers.

#26 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-07-11 02:35 PM | Reply

I can usually smell fake news and I ignore it.

No you can't and no you don't.

Crosscheck anyone?

#27 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-07-11 03:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Crosscheck anyone?"

Glad you brought it up...

"This anti-voter-fraud program gets it wrong over 99 percent of the time. The GOP wants to take it nationwide."

www.washingtonpost.com

"The Interstate Crosscheck system is a database used by officials in 27 states to identify voters potentially registered to vote in more than one state. States need a mechanism to maintain accurate voter rolls, but the states participating in the Interstate Crosscheck system risk purging legally registered voters -- with a significant oversampling from communities of color -- from the voting lists.

The system flagged roughly 7 million names of "potential double voters" prior to the 2014 election; however, since 2014, not a single person has been convicted of double voting pursuant to Crosscheck data. This large number of false positives is due to Crosscheck not taking into account information that may disqualify a match: Social Security numbers should be disregarded if they do not match, "Jr." and "Sr." distinctions are often ignored, and many names on the list have mismatched middle names. Because nonwhite communities share surnames more commonly than white communities -- in fact, 50 percent of Communities of Color share a common surname, while only 30 percent of white people do -- this leads to a greater number of flagged potential double voters, and thus a significant overrepresentation of minority voters on the Crosscheck list: While white voter names are underrepresented by 8 percent, African American voters are overrepresented by 45 percent; Hispanic voters are overrepresented by 24 percent; and Asian voters are overrepresented by 31 percent."

"healthofstatedemocracies.org

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-11 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Here she goes!

#29 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-07-11 03:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Social Security numbers should be disregarded if they do not match"

^
Recipe for disenfranchisement.

Because they do it beyond judicial review, Et_Al pretends he can't figure out what's going on.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-11 03:30 PM | Reply

"Et_Al pretends he can't figure out what's going on."

The entire Republican Party pretends they can't understand how this works, then they try to ridicule anyone who brings it up and can't refute honestly the affects is has on elections in swing states. They're all just good old boys wanting to keep elections honest. Riiiight!!!

#31 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-11 03:48 PM | Reply

Hey Danni. Click on my name. Third or fourth one down.

#32 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-11 04:59 PM | Reply

" It's a big world out there, beyond the Retort and it's fifty or so regular users."

It's all I can do to keep up with the real news, I don't have time for fake news though I know it does affect some people's thinking. When they present their nonsense I usually know they are full of crap, it helps that is usually the same few posters here who present it. In my personal life I don't confront crazy people, they are just too much trouble and drama.

Thanks for the tip Laura but we shouldn't have to have law suits to shame Republicans into not meddling in our elections. These people are criminals, Kris Kobach especially. This country is screwed as long as things like Interstate Crosscheck are tolerated. People need to start calling out these crooks whenever and wherever they are. Their children need to see it on the news. They are destroying democracy and they are doing it because someone is paying them to do it.
Jimmy Carter told us several years ago, America is no longer a democracy, it is an oligarchy and quite a few posters here know, accept it and even like it.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-11 08:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The q theory is a slow process it seems. It all started when q dropped some kind of tidbits about the real happening at las vegas harvest festival shooting.. then an uptick in federal indictments issued across the country.
Then missles over Hawaii and Oregon. Now stroke about strzok

The retort and the 50 members used to be voluntarily
anonymous until we all had to create a user account. Fun times!

Notice how most of the internet became un anonymous after 911.

Ya no conspiracy its all in your mind. News is all real news unless it is fake. 1984 was never written.

If you only knew how bad it really is.

#34 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-12 06:48 PM | Reply

T/my sis works at gannet news and they are basically an information gathering and selling company that owns large empty paper warehouses and large empty buildings in alot of large american cities.

#35 | Posted by mutant at 2018-07-12 06:50 PM | Reply

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