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Sunday, July 08, 2018

The 1-year-old boy in a green button-up shirt drank milk from a bottle, played with a small purple ball that lit up when it hit the ground and occasionally asked for "agua." Then it was the child's turn for his court appearance before a Phoenix immigration judge, who could hardly contain his unease with the situation during the portion of the hearing where he asks immigrant defendants whether they understand the proceedings. "I'm embarrassed to ask it, because I don't know who you would explain it to, unless you think that a 1-year-old could learn immigration law," Judge John W. Richardson told the lawyer representing the 1-year-old boy.

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I wonder how the kid did under cross examination?

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-08 06:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This reminds me of the Middle Ages, when horses and cow's were formally tried for infractions.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-08 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

For a second there I thought this was about Mueller interviewing Trump.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2018-07-08 07:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So nice to see see law and order being restored to America.

#MAGA

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-08 07:23 PM | Reply

Remember when the Right (talk about an oxymoron) got so upset over DeNiro saying "F**k Trump!"?

Everyone with any sense of morality should be saying it.

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-08 07:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I'm going to use the word Nazis so one of them will come over and say this kid deserves it.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-08 07:49 PM | Reply

This is insane.

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-08 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This reminds me of the Middle Ages,

Wow, I knew you were old, but had no idea you were that old, Zed.

when horses and cow's were formally tried for infractions."

The kids aren't being charged or tried for anything. It's actually quite common for children and incapacitated persons to have court appearances for situations which require judicial review.

And you keep using the word "infractions" in a way that suggests you don't know what that word means.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-08 08:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why was he in court? He didn't break any laws.

#9 | Posted by mikebank at 2018-07-08 09:05 PM | Reply

#8

The shaming will continue until we find that neglected little worm that is your conscience.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-08 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The kids aren't being charged but they sure as hell are being punished.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-08 09:17 PM | Reply

"It's actually quite common for children and incapacitated persons to have court appearances for situations which require judicial review."

^
Yes, we call that "Habeas Corpus."

What's happening to the children is still a grave injustice.

The result of the utterly barbaric policies that brought these children in United States courts in the first place.

If the Travel Ban is any indicator, Trump will keep finding ways to take children from their parents that somehow achieve judicial propriety.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-08 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The result of the utterly barbaric policies that brought these children in United States courts in the first place.

It's about time you started blaming the parents.

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2018-07-08 09:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Welcome to Trumpistan!

#14 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-08 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's about time you started blaming the parents.

#13 | POSTED BY Comrade BOAZO

It's about time you started blaming YOUR president!

#15 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-08 09:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's about time you started blaming the parents.

#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-07-08 09:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

When they start making policy, I will.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-07-08 10:16 PM | Reply

It's actually quite common for children and incapacitated persons to have court appearances for situations which require judicial review.

Which must be why the Judge had such a hard time with it... (snark)

Then it was the child's turn for his court appearance before a Phoenix immigration judge, who could hardly contain his unease with the situation during the portion of the hearing where he asks immigrant defendants whether they understand the proceedings.

"I'm embarrassed to ask it, because I don't know who you would explain it to, unless you think that a 1-year-old could learn immigration law,"

This baby was separated directly and due to Trump's separation policy. This child wouldn't be alone in a Court with out Trump's separation policy. So this is 100% Trump's fault. Now Boaz and others may say it's the parents fault, but this policy was implemented with most on their way or here, and as we found out, many were separated before this policy was made public. Not that it was made public in any significant way, anyway. Not until the Press finally got involved.

So yeah, Trump's fault.

Trump's scum, and so is every single morally bereft defender of that piece of trash that is infesting the White House (which is perfectly appropriate to say since he himself uses that terminology).

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-08 10:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I decided to try and drop using snark (or being snarky), but I left the (snark) "tag" in by mistake. I think anyone reading can figure that out base on the quote immediately following.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-08 10:24 PM | Reply

It's about time you started blaming the parents.

#13 | POSTED BY Comrade BOAZO

It's about time you started blaming YOUR president!

#19 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-07-08 10:31 PM | Reply

It's about time you started blaming the parents.

#13 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-07-08 09:53 PM | FLAG:

Isn't it about time to start acting Christ like??? That's what Christianity is SUPPOSED to be about. Being Christ like.

#20 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-07-08 10:33 PM | Reply

Some people treat christianity like it's a con game, and they can do anything they want and act sad afterward and they have immunity in the risen christ. I kinda doubt an omnipotent omniscient being is gonna fall for that crap, guys.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-08 10:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The result of the utterly barbaric policies that brought these children in United States courts in the first place."

Yes, our policies. We made the drug cartels powerful with our war on drugs.

#22 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-08 11:01 PM | Reply

At our root, we are connected through
A biology, a universal cruelty
Send me home
Return me to a lonely womb

www.youtube.com

#23 | Posted by ajwood at 2018-07-09 06:00 AM | Reply

You know what sums up Trump's attitude towards this baby?

When asked by a Judge about working this weekend to comply with the order that the government to provide a list with the status of each young child as well as details of the procedures, Sarah Fabian, the Government's lawyer said:

"I have dog-sitting responsibilities that require me to go back to Colorado."

Dog are more important to these people than immigrant babies.

#24 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-09 06:36 AM | Reply

Some people treat christianity like it's a con game, and they can do anything they want and act sad afterward and they have immunity in the risen christ. I kinda doubt an omnipotent omniscient being is gonna fall for that crap, guys.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-08 10:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The people you're describing no more think that Christ is risen than does Trump.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-09 07:40 AM | Reply

#24, why do you hate public defenders? You act like they should be forced to work 24/7 and judges should treat them like crap. No matter what you think of Trump's policies that led to this, that's an absurd argument, as is hyperventilating over the fact all these cases are getting judicial review.

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-09 08:50 AM | Reply

why do you hate public defenders?

Sarah Fabian is not a public defender. She's the Justice Department (DOJ) attorney. That was evident by simply reading #24.

So either you assume a lot, can't read, can't comprehend, or chose to lie. I'm open to other explanations, if you'd like to offer them, as well as an apology.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-09 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

or chose to lie.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-09 08:59 AM | Reply

Safest option. To defend crap like this you have to lie.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-09 09:07 AM | Reply

Some people treat christianity like it's a con game

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite

We'll see Trump invoke a God he doesn't believe in more than once to get his way. Just wait for the (new) war.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-09 09:09 AM | Reply

Evangelical Christians must be proud of their man when it comes to immigration. Jesus, Mary and Joseph were refugees. I don't think that part of the Christian Bible was an accident of history, more like an example for us today.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2018-07-09 09:19 AM | Reply

yav- sentinel is a liar.

zed- i was referring to people that think they don't have to change because they are saved no matter what. Trump clearly can't imagine a higher power than his ego. There is no way he's christian at all.

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-09 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sarah Fabian is not a public defender. She's the Justice Department (DOJ) attorney. "

The principle's still the same. Trump's got you bashing the justice department over some petty issue which has squat to do with the policy you're taking issue with.

#32 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-09 09:43 AM | Reply

You're a lying sack of crap.

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-07-09 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's got you bashing the justice department over some petty issue which has squat to do with the policy you're taking issue with.

Really? Because it sounds to me like you have no idea what the Judge was asking for and no desire to find out. Which pretty much puts you square in the "dogs are more important than these immigrant's lives" camp.

It's all good for you, as long as you can just keep assuming that it's just "some petty issue which has squat to do with the policy."

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-09 10:05 AM | Reply

#8 | Posted by sentinel

It is common for them to have court appearances yes. If you notice in the article it calls out the fact these children don't have a right to representation. They don't even have a parent or guardian present often. This child fortunately had a lawyer. In cases of citizens who are incapacitated or minors I am not sure what the court's situation is. Why are these kids in court if there are no charges? There is something going on because it is an immigration case. I would assume some sort of citation...

#35 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-07-09 10:45 AM | Reply

WE must to stop these toddlers, NOW. Before they grow-up to rape, sell drugs and vote for a Democrat!

MAGA

#36 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-07-09 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34, I already read the article on the back page. You seriously expect a judge to compel lawyers to appear outside normal working hours with only one day notice? Or for people to reneg on prior commitments when they weren't even asked much less required to? Why do you hate dogs?

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-09 01:06 PM | Reply

"If you notice in the article it calls out the fact these children don't have a right to representation."

Because it's not a criminal case, there's no right to court appointed representation. That's normal for everyone. They are allowed to have private, non-profit or pro-bono lawyers represent them, which is probably the case here.

"Why are these kids in court if there are no charges?"

Immigration and/or deportation proceedings.

#38 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-09 01:17 PM | Reply

"Because it's not a criminal case, there's no right to court appointed representation."

If they are not criminals then why are they being treated as criminals?

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-09 01:40 PM | Reply

You seriously expect a judge to compel lawyers to appear outside normal working hours with only one day notice?

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-09 01:06 PM | Reply |

I expect these lawyers to volunteer. Res Publica.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-09 01:49 PM | Reply

there's no right to court appointed representation.

#38 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-09 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

And, given the age of this detainee, no right to self-representation.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-09 01:51 PM | Reply

#37
I already read the article on the back page.

Congrats on finally reading about it.

Yes, I fully expect the Government, responsible for this insanity and inhumanity, to work at least ONE weekend.

You don't. Thanks for removing all doubt about how you feel about these babies, ripped from their parents, by YOUR government.

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2018-07-09 02:14 PM | Reply

The kids aren't being charged or tried for anything. It's actually quite common for children and incapacitated persons to have court appearances for situations which require judicial review.

#8 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Woah. The pack of lies here is thick.

The kid is going through deportation proceedings. He is a Defendant in an adversarial proceeding.

No, it's not common to have one year olds in adversarial proceedings. They can't testify so they never come into family court. Even older kids are rarely allowed to testify. They can be represented by a guardian ad litem in Court when the state is trying to remove them from the parents. And even then they very very very rarely take the stand. But that's about it. It is insanely rare for kids to be in deportation proceedings without a parent or family member like this.

You are once again lying.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-07-09 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Another example of when a person is in an adversarial court proceeding but isn't being charged with a crime is when they're being committed for longer than 48 hours for mental health treatment. I'm sure many of you here are quite familiar with that.

#44 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-09 04:25 PM | Reply

I'm sure many of you here are quite familiar with that.

#44 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-09 04:25 PM | Reply

I just know that you'd make a piss-poor babysitter.

#45 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-09 05:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm sure many of you here are quite familiar with that.

#44 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-09 04:25 PM | Reply

Why is it so hard for you to take the kid's point of view? Did you skip over childhood?

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-09 05:15 PM | Reply

I'm sure many of you here are quite familiar with that.

#44 | Posted by sentinel

Sounds like you are quite familiar with treating children like little animals with no rights.

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-07-09 05:59 PM | Reply

"Another example of when a person is in an adversarial court proceeding but isn't being charged with a crime is when they're being committed for longer than 48 hours for mental health treatment."

How long are these kids being committed, detained, whatever you prefer to call it?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-07-09 06:11 PM | Reply

The beatings will continue until moral improves. Trump trademark (r)

#49 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-07-09 07:38 PM | Reply

It's about time you started blaming the parents.

#13

i feel bad for your children. the adults they will become with your tutelage.

#50 | Posted by klifferd at 2018-07-10 09:32 AM | Reply

"I just know that you'd make a piss-poor babysitter."

What does pissing ability have to do with being a qualified baby sitter? Was that a Trump reference?

"Why is it so hard for you to take the kid's point of view? Did you skip over childhood?"

Can't say I'm surprised you identify with kids as young as 1 year old.

#51 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-07-10 11:31 AM | Reply

"I just know that you'd make a piss-poor babysitter."

What does pissing ability have to do with being a qualified baby sitter?

#51 | Posted by sentinel at

It means I wouldn't trust you with young children.

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-10 12:24 PM | Reply

"Why is it so hard for you to take the kid's point of view? Did you skip over childhood?"

Can't say I'm surprised you identify with kids as young as 1 year old.

#51 | Posted by sentinel at 2018

Adults are supposed to identify with kids. Creep.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-10 12:24 PM | Reply


Can't say I'm surprised you identify with kids as young as 1 year old.

#51 | Posted by sentinel at 2018

The more I think about this the weirder it seems, and the more it explains.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2018-07-10 12:27 PM | Reply

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