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Wednesday, June 20, 2018

The U.S. Marine who marched with neo-Nazis in last summer's "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, has been found guilty in a summary court-martial after he reportedly bragged online about participating in the violence that day. Lance Cpl. Vasillios Pistolis was convicted Monday of failing to obey an order or regulation and making a false official statement under Articles 92 and 107 in the Uniform Code of Military Justice, according to the 2nd Marine Logistics Group.



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Wow... I hope he didn't get a finger waggled at him, too. That would cruel and unusual punishment for a Neo-Nazi Marine beating people up at a rally.... it appears that might be against some regulation, maybe.

No wonder the armed services have a problem with white supremacists, they don't do anything about them.


#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-20 12:16 AM | Reply

This guy didn't get a criminal conviction, both of these Articles are purely military offenses- not criminal. The worst he could get was reduction in two grades 2/3s pay withheld and and 30 days confinement, the Army calls it a field grade, the Navy/Marines call it Captian's mast, the Air Force calls Business Hours. If the idiot had wore his uniform, he could have got prison time. There are other Articles, one for riot, another for criminal association. Apparently there was not enough evidence of those happening. He could still stand for a Court's Marshall, but the JAG has to refer charges. The services does not like anyone participating in public protests ever. People have been separated for participating in a Gay Pride Parade, but they were in uniform, a big no no.
As far as extremest groups, most of the problems I have seen are gang affiliation, Folk, Latin Kings, Bloods etc. They like to run scams and extortion/ robberies in the barracks. When that happens, there is usually a reaction, the white guys get organized. Then we get the CID to come in and investigate. The Bangers are easy to find, they seem to love to proclaim their association with Tattoos. Usually they take a general discharge instead of facing a Court's Marshall. We use the tried and true "failure to adapt" clause. Going to trial takes too much time.

#2 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-20 09:29 AM | Reply

As far as extremest groups, most of the problems I have seen are gang affiliation

#2 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2018-06-20 09:29 AM | FLAG:

The "Communism Will Win" cadet at West Point ended up with a "Less Than Honorable Discharge".

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-20 10:32 AM | Reply


#4 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-06-20 11:18 AM | Reply

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg, No such thing, Discharges are 1. Honorable, (I have one), 2. General, (can be for anything from pregnancy, basic stupidity(failure to adapt), to chronic indebtedness). 3. Bad conduct discharge, usually occurs when some knucklehead gets in trouble with the police or gets put into prison on the civilian side or repeated minor charges, like theft. 4. A dishonorable discharge, which is actually rare. Those individuals are going to prison, for a very long time. This includes crimes like murder, rape, and other serious felony crime. The silly cadet was trying to get out of his/her military obligation, which is six years for his/her million dollar education. Promoting communism, which by definition is promoting the destruction of this republic and the suspension of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights isn't looked on favorably within the services. The Article violated is called Sedition. Got the Idiot a General discharge and a huge bill for violation of his/her contract.

#5 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-20 11:53 AM | Reply

Other Than Honorable (OTH)
An OTH is a form of administrative discharge. This type of discharge represents a departure from the conduct and performance expected of all military members.

Recipients of OTH discharges are barred from reenlisting into any component of the Armed Forces including the Reserve and National Guard components.

Generally, in order to receive VA benefits and services, the Veteran's character of discharge or service must be under "other than dishonorable" conditions (e.g., honorable, under honorable conditions, general) as stated by VA policy. However, individuals receiving an other-than-honorable or bad conduct discharge may qualify for VA benefits depending on a "Character of Service Determination (CSD)" made by VA.

If the veteran has either a service-connected injury or illness, at least two years of active-duty service, or has received at least one Honorable discharge they will be able to enroll in the VA health care system. The VA will submit Form 7131 (Information Exchange Between VA Regional Offices and Medical Facilities) and make a character of service determination to decide if their service was "Honorable (for VA purposes)", "Honorable (for medical purposes)", or "Dishonorable".

Veterans with an OTH discharge who qualify for VA Healthcare are eligible to submit claims for disability compensation pay, participation in educational, volunteer, and vocational rehabilitation programs. Other Than Honorable recipients are eligible for Montgomery GI Bill benefits if they have completed at least one honorable discharge and may be eligible for Post 9/11 GI Bill Benefits if the VA determines their service to be "Honorable (for VA purposes)".

#6 | Posted by Bigbradleyp at 2018-06-20 12:03 PM | Reply

OTH includes General, Bad Conduct Discharge, and Dishonorable. Some can get benefits, especially for service connected injuries or of they completed at least their initial contract and paid their 1200 bucks into the Montgomery GI Bill. OTH is inclusive of all three. It is not in the UCMJ, it is a administrative designation.

#7 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-20 12:12 PM | Reply

UCMJ 12.3

"If separated you could receive one of three types of discharges: Honorable, General (Under Honorable Conditions), also called a General discharge, or a discharge Under Other Than Honorable Conditions, also called an OTH."

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-20 12:17 PM | Reply


#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-20 12:18 PM | Reply

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg, There is a big difference between the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the administration of Army regulations. General Discharges cover a multitude of reasons to separate an individual from the service, OTH is still a General discharge, it does not require a Court's Marshall. They have a code on one's DD214 that give the specifics on why the individual was kicked out, usually for coming up up hot on a piss test. Bad Conduct and Dishonorable require criminal prosecution.

#10 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-20 12:49 PM | Reply

- criminal prosecution

He assaulted people, and should have been prosecuted for it. The point is not Military Divas talking about Code, it's about his criminal acts going unpunished.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-20 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Funny how promoting communism is called Sedition, while promoting Nazi's is okay. The USA allied with the communists in WWII, now it is on the other side.

#12 | Posted by bored at 2018-06-20 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

it's about his criminal acts going unpunished.

#11 | Posted by Corky

No worries Corky.. They are not done with him yet.

Marines take care of their own.

And they own him.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-06-20 01:21 PM | Reply

"If separated you could receive one of three types of discharges:"


That also means you might not receive one of three types of discharge.

I mostly agree with Docnjo. I think they didn't prosecute his criminality because there's a lot like him among the ranks.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-20 02:31 PM | Reply

That also means you might not receive one of three types of discharge.

#14 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-06-20 02:31 PM | FLAG:

You could get an ELS, Officer Discharge (if applicable). You can apply to upgrade your discharge with a DD293 for up to 15 years after separation.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-20 02:49 PM | Reply

#11 | Posted by Corky His assaulting people is an assumption, if you have evidence I am sure that JAG would be interested. Boasting on social media does not measure up to unimpeachable evidence- then there is the problem of mutual combat. If blows were thrown by the other side, the law generally drops the issue. I never dwelt with white supremacist, the Army is hardly the place to be if you hate black and brown people. You are surrounded every day, in every way with people of other races, backgrounds and perspectives. I knew some black and brown people I trusted and really cared for, and I knew some that I wouldn't waste a bullet on. Some I would be proud to see my daughter marry, and some I would shoot on sight if they were at my door. I guess it is news if they find some Neo-Nazi or Klucker, but it is much more common to find a set of gangsters. There is a black organization that is as racist as their equivalent white groups, 32 Masons are so bad, many SMGs will not have an NCO member in their battalion. But they are black so the are a protected group and their misbehavior is ignored.

#16 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-20 04:53 PM | Reply

-His assaulting people is an assumption,

--------. He bragged about it, admitting it. Such evidence has been used successfully in court before.

"ProPublica first reported in May that Pistolis belonged to a white supremacist group and was found bragging online about the violence he carried out during the August rally, at which one demonstrator died." from the article.

And try reading some of the articles in the link in #1 before shooting your mouth off about how white supremacists in the military isn't a problem.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-20 04:58 PM | Reply

but it is much more common to find a set of gangsters

#16 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2018-06-20 04:53 PM | FLAG:

Iraq ended up plastered in tags during and after the invasion. Bloods, Crips, Nortenos, Vice Lords, etc, etc.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-20 05:06 PM | Reply

The article doesn't have any images of the marine or discuss details of his Nazi affiliation, the video is actually showing "anti-fa" violence.

Vasillios Pistolis aka VasillistheGreek (twitter @gopnik_Gestapo) is the leader of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division.

He's a proud neo-Nazi, Charlottesville attacker – and a U.S. Marine

"So to sum up what I did Friday, dropped kicked that tranny that made video crying..."

"Today cracked 3 skulls open with virtually no damage to myself"

"I drop kicked Emily gorcenski..."

The video then shows a logo he made of the car running over Heather Heyer.

National Skeleton @Gopnik_Gestapo "Heather Heyer wa a fat ---- who died of a heart attack. She wasn't even in the way of the car. But i guess the movement needs martyrs."

"and if she hadn't been protesting someone else's first amendment right to free speech, she'd still be alive."

#19 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-06-20 05:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

KILL EVERYBODY: American soldier exposes US policy in Iraq

#20 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-06-20 05:12 PM | Reply

Nothing to prevent the civilian authorities from prosecuting him. I saw that happen several times when I was in the Marines.

#21 | Posted by willowby at 2018-06-20 05:21 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by Corky I guess you have a learned opinion from your extensive military experience. So boasting on social media is evidence, alone? Was it mutual combat? There are problems with prosecution of this behavior, the accused gets a lawyer too and any lawyer worth a damn could get him acquitted. If it makes you feel better he probity got a bar to reenlistment, usual consequence going with a field grade this sever.
#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg , I have done my part to rid the service of these gangsters. They have a habit of cutting their own neck. If I had encountered any of the white criminal groups, the ABs, Christian Identity Movement or skin heads I would have dwelt with them the same.

#22 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-20 05:24 PM | Reply

Thank you for your service DOCNJO.

#23 | Posted by uncle_meat at 2018-06-20 06:00 PM | Reply

#22 serve as an MP? They always have interesting stories.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-20 06:15 PM | Reply

- So boasting on social media is evidence, alone?

That has gotten more than one person eventually convicted of a crime.

- If I had encountered any of the white criminal groups, the ABs, Christian Identity Movement or skin heads I would have dwelt with them the same.

According to all the news reports and studies in the link at #1, which you continue to ignore, you musta had your eyes wide shut the whole time you were in.

btw, War is a Racket



#25 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-20 06:42 PM | Reply

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