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Thursday, June 14, 2018

A month after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, Army Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan stepped off a helicopter in the town of Ceiba with a mission: Get relief supplies to people in need. He and FEMA's regional administrator, Thomas Von Essen, told the town's mayor and other mayors from across the island that generators, plastic roofs and tarps would be there within days. "There are 50,000 more blue tarps coming in over the next week," Buchanan said. "So these will all get pushed to all the mayors." Von Essen added that FEMA had as many as 500 generators on the island before the storm and would soon distribute them. But today, it's clear none of those promises were kept, and FEMA and the federal government failed on multiple fronts to help the devastated island recover.

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NPR and the PBS series Frontline examined hundreds of pages of internal documents and emails. Rather than a well-orchestrated effort, they paint a picture of a relief agency in chaos, struggling with key contracts, basic supplies and even its own workforce.

Internal briefing documents show FEMA never had 500 generators on the island before the storm -- it had 25. Its plastic roof program was out of plastic, and the most tarps FEMA ever produced was 125,000 -- months after people needed them.

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They had containers of stuff on the dock before the storm ever hit.

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-14 11:11 AM | Reply

"FEMA Blamed Delays In Puerto Rico On Maria; Agency Records Tell Another Story"

UH...no! The delays were the DIRECT result of UNIONS refusing to allow their drivers to pick up and distribute the plenteous amount of relief supplies...BECAUSE the unions have become nothing but a bunch of greedy, self-serving, gangster PIGS who don't give a flip about hurting people. All that matters is power, control, and money...

But hey...blame FEMA...everyone else does! And always remember that those unions are just, "all that and a bag of chips". Even if they are nothing but a bunch of goons who'll beat the crap outta anybody who threatens their ungodly worship of power, control, and money...

And y'all have a nice day...

#2 | Posted by thetwilightzone at 2018-06-14 12:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

"Fake news posts blame Puerto Rico's truck drivers for refusing to ship relief supplies"

www.politifact.com

"Valle did say in the Huffington Post interview that there was a lack of drivers, but he also went on to add the drivers deserved "zero blame:"

"They can't get to work, the infrastructure is destroyed, they can't get fuel themselves, and they can't call us for help because there's no communication. The will of the people of Puerto Rico is off the charts. The truck drivers have families to take care of, many of them have no food or water. They have to take care of their family's needs before they go off to work, and once they do go, they can't call home."

Right wingers are so easily fed fake news, they gobble it up and repeat it very reliably.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-14 12:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

#4 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-14 01:35 PM | Reply

@#1 ... They had containers of stuff on the dock before the storm ever hit. ...

Yes, they did.

But according to the internal FEMA documents, they did not have nearly as much "stuff" on the dock before the storm as, apparently, as you believe they did.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-14 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They had containers of stuff on the dock before the storm ever hit.
#1 | POSTED BY SNIPER

One of my favorite kind of posts here on the DR. Someone links an article citing extensive and meticulous research to prove a point, and a right-winger is almost guaranteed to give their ass-pulled opinion contradicting said point.
It's why Trump always wins, you can't fight fantasy.

#6 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-14 02:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I suppose this is what Porky means by "Making America Great".

#7 | Posted by contrecoup at 2018-06-14 02:46 PM | Reply

Oh sure lie and blame the Unions but never Trump.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2018-06-14 02:57 PM | Reply

"They can't get to work, the infrastructure is destroyed, they can't get fuel themselves, and they can't call us for help because there's no communication. The will of the people of Puerto Rico is off the charts. The truck drivers have families to take care of, many of them have no food or water. They have to take care of their family's needs before they go off to work, and once they do go, they can't call home."
Right wingers are so easily fed fake news, they gobble it up and repeat it very reliably.

#3 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-06-14 12:16 PM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1

Ok so if it wasn't delivered because of union issues than it wasn't delivered because of the issues above. Bottom line is the stuff was not and could not be delivered. But blame Trump because that's what you like to do.

#9 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-06-14 03:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

But blame Trump because that's what you like to do.
#9 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Ever heard the expression, "The buck stops here"?
Trump is President, he's the boss. He creates the attitude and culture of his administration. Things that happen under him are his fault, it's really that simple.

#10 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-14 03:22 PM | Reply

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@#9 ... Ok so if it wasn't delivered because of union issues than it wasn't delivered because of the issues above. Bottom line is the stuff was not and could not be delivered. ...

The early excuses by some on the right included that the goods were available in quantity (see message #1), but they could not be delivered because of the unions.

The "because of the unions" aspect was debunked. (message #3)

Now this research appears to be debunking the "goods were available" aspect.

So the bottom line you assert, "Bottom line is the stuff was not and could not be delivered." does not appear to be correct.

The bottom line appears to be that there was precious little to be delivered.

"...Internal briefing documents show FEMA never had 500 generators on the island before the storm -- it had 25. Its plastic roof program was out of plastic, and the most tarps FEMA ever produced was 125,000 -- months after people needed them...."

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-14 03:49 PM | Reply

Ever heard the expression, "The buck stops here"?
Trump is President, he's the boss. He creates the attitude and culture of his administration. Things that happen under him are his fault, it's really that simple.

#10 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2018-06-14 03:22 PM | FLAG:

You must have been in a coma for the Obama administration when the common catch phraise was "Bush's fault."

#12 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-06-14 04:04 PM | Reply

So the bottom line you assert, "Bottom line is the stuff was not and could not be delivered." does not appear to be correct.#11 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2018-06-14 03:49 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Beg to differ, that was from the guy in charge of deliveries from Puerto Rico in an interview with the Huffington Post. Fake news?

#13 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-06-14 04:10 PM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Third world countries have better disaster response than the Trump administration FEMA did for Puerto Rico. Regardless of whatever excuses or deflections you want to give. Party of personal responsibility my ass.

This is what happens when you immature and emotionally stunted people (and I am going to just generalize to "Republicans" here because that is who you chose to be the leader of your party) to run the government. They spend all of their time and effort trying to enrich themselves and this is the type of thing that falls by the sidelines. Regardless of your excuses THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN IN AMERICA! But you seem to be perfectly fine with embarrassing ourselves and reducing our power and influence in the world (if we are this inept at disaster response for our own citizens, why would other countries think we were at all competent in other things?).

MAGA!!! Right?

#14 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-06-14 04:47 PM | Reply

You must have been in a coma for the Obama administration when the common catch phraise was "Bush's fault."

#12 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Pretty sure he only used that on the economy. That was a problem that started under Bush.

Do tell us how the problem here was somehow other than FEMA's fault

Seriously, you always post the most idiotic things.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-14 05:32 PM | Reply

So the bottom line you assert, "Bottom line is the stuff was not and could not be delivered." does not appear to be correct.#11 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2018-06-14 03:49 PM | REPLY | FLAG
Beg to differ, that was from the guy in charge of deliveries from Puerto Rico in an interview with the Huffington Post. Fake news?

#13 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Hey, dumbass. This is from INTERNAL FEMA BRIEFING DOCUMENTS.

Florida and Texas got aid money. PR was promised a loan that still hasn't fully materialized.

For the love of God, don't post anymore. You are not smart enough to be here.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-14 05:39 PM | Reply

You must have been in a coma for the Obama administration when the common catch phraise was "Bush's fault."
#12 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

I would need a citation where Obama blamed Bush for a FEMA effort that happened under Obama's watch.
Whenever whatever happened, Donald Trump was in charge.

#17 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-14 05:51 PM | Reply

Puerto Rico has received Millions of dollars in emergency preparedness funding for just such scenarios. They refused to do anything but funnel the money into the pockets of a select few. They refused to install 1-2 meg generators in hospitals, harden critical infrastructure, or stockpile necessary supplies. They didn't even have an emergency preparedness plan that didn't depend on all of their resources coming from the mainland. The problem with the unions was threefold: 1) the union process for tings such as fuel distribution for trucks was set up so that the unions got their cut of every mile driven. 2) The drivers would have been placing their families in danger if they drove anywhere without the unions getting their cut without going through the unions distribution system which did not work. 3) The unions are the Puerto Rican Gov't. for the most part. Barges were pilfered or outright stolen. Supplies and equipment were (and still are) held up until tributes were negotiated and paid (in cash). The companies that I have spoken with that have been asked to do business in Puerto Rico have all said that they have changed contract policies with regard to business in Puerto Rico. All contracts will be executed in the Continental U.S. under U.S. law and there must be a responsible party must be in the U.S.

I blame Trump for not declaring Marshall Law and arresting anyone that got in the way. Mayors, unionistas, organized crime, whatever. Puerto Rico, like many third world countries, could be a shining star. But only if they get rid of the corruption.

#18 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-06-14 06:03 PM | Reply

Puerto Rico, like many third world countries, could be a shining star. But only if they get rid of the corruption.

#18 | Posted by bogey1355

Same could be said of america.

Our politicians serve whoever pays them the most, and it's legal.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-06-14 06:29 PM | Reply


@#13 ... Beg to differ, that was from the guy in charge of deliveries from Puerto Rico in an interview with the Huffington Post. Fake news? ...

Please explain what, exactly, you mean by your usage of the phrase "fake news."

I cannot respond to your comment without knowing what you are trying to say.

thx.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-14 09:50 PM | Reply


Observation:

Why does it appear that many who want to disagree with the cited article mostly use ambiguous phrases or quite non-specific comments in an attempt to show their viewpoint?

The article is quite specific with facts. Why aren't the rebuttals equally so?

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-14 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Because they are FOS.

#22 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-06-14 10:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#22 Because they are FOS.

Yeah.

But the question remains, why?

Why are some so ready to dismiss the neglect to help our fellow American citizens?

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-14 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Why are some so ready to dismiss the neglect to help our fellow American citizens?"

Stop pretending you don't understand they see compassion as weakness.

Or, do, and spend the next six years of the Trump administration wondering why immigrant children are taken from their parents and placed in camps.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-14 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Given that more than twice as many died in Maria than Katrina, can we drop the last storm as a marker of a deadly fiasco and switch to this one?

#25 | Posted by dibblda at 2018-06-14 11:51 PM | Reply

#25 | Posted by dibblda

No - we should use them both. Incompetent Republican governments dolling out praise and announcing "great jobs" while the building is burning down around them.

#26 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-06-15 09:23 AM | Reply

[The] President, he's the boss. He creates the attitude and culture of his administration. Things that happen under him are his fault, it's really that simple. -#10 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-14 03:22 PM

I would need a citation where Obama blamed Bush for a FEMA effort that happened under Obama's watch.
Whenever whatever happened, Donald Trump was in charge. - #17 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-14 05:51 PM

Not that he blamed it on FEMA, but I see that you must think that Obama is at fault for the lead poisoning of children in Flint, Michigan.
Years later and they still don't have safe drinking water. Was it because they were mostly black, do you think?
Not a whataboutism, because both of these things are bad. I'm definitely not excusing or defending either one.

#27 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 09:58 AM | Reply

"Years later and they still don't have safe drinking water. Was it because they were mostly black, do you think?"

Yeah, cuz Obama was prejudiced against black people. Who really caused the poisoning? The man appointed by the Governor to take charge of the finances of Detroit, he thought he could save some money by using a different source for water.
Trying to bring Obama into it is ridiculous.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-15 10:17 AM | Reply

"Mayors, unionistas, organized crime, whatever. "

Never mind that I posted a politifact article which exhonerated the "unionistas." Facts don't matter, ideology matters.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-15 10:18 AM | Reply

"Puerto Rico has received Millions of dollars in emergency preparedness funding"

Link please.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-15 10:20 AM | Reply

" The problem with the unions was threefold: 1) the union process for tings such as fuel distribution for trucks was set up so that the unions got their cut of every mile driven. 2) The drivers would have been placing their families in danger if they drove anywhere without the unions getting their cut without going through the unions distribution system which did not work. 3) The unions are the Puerto Rican Gov't. for the most part."

Let me say it simple so even the dumbest can understand. Bogey is a liar and makes s**t up to try and make his case. Yet he still fails even with his lies.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-15 10:22 AM | Reply

Trying to bring Obama into it is ridiculous. - #28 | Posted by Danni at 2018-06-15 10:17 AM

Whenever whatever happened, Donald Trump Obama was in charge. - #17 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-14 05:51 PM
[The] President, he's the boss. He creates the attitude and culture of his administration. Things that happen under him are his fault, it's really that simple. -#10 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-14 03:22 PM

Why don't you tell TFDNihilist that he's wrong, then?

#32 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 11:05 AM | Reply

"Whenever whatever happened, Donald Trump Obama was in charge."

No, it was entirely under the control of the Emergency Manager appointed by the state governor Rick Snyder.

www.mlive.com

#33 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-15 11:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

No, it was entirely under the control of the Emergency Manager appointed by the state governor Rick Snyder.
www.mlive.com
#33 | Posted by Danni at 2018-06-15 11:18 AM

That's hypocritical unless you also don't blame Trump because FEMA director was in charge of Maria.
It's ok to disagree with what TFDNihilist said. Just be consistent. It's easy. The letter after the name of the person in office shouldn't matter.
Pick one:
1)The president is responsible for everything that occurs under his watch.
or
2)The president is not responsible for everything that occurs under his watch.

Are they both responsible, are neither responsible, or do you have a hypocritical desire to only blame one party?

#34 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 12:04 PM | Reply

Not that he blamed it on FEMA, but I see that you must think that Obama is at fault for the lead poisoning of children in Flint, Michigan.
Years later and they still don't have safe drinking water. Was it because they were mostly black, do you think?
Not a whataboutism, because both of these things are bad. I'm definitely not excusing or defending either one.

#27 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Obama wasn't in charge of an agency deciding where to get water in Flint. That was a State Republican.
Trump was in charge of an agency that provided emergency relief in natural disasters. They did fine in Florida and Texas. Not in PR...for some reason.

Quick example: Post Hurricane Texas immediately had 70 military helicopters involved in rescue operations. It took 3-4 weeks for the same number to show up in PR even though the situation was far worse and effected far more people.

#35 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-15 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#35 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-15 12:53 PM
So I should put you down as also disagreeing with what TFDNihilist said, then?
Or was Obama not head of the EPA and the regulation of lead in water supplies? He was.
Do you really think that lead in water supplies isn't a federally controlled thing? It is.
Here's the EPA's regulations on Lead in Water.
www.epa.gov

#36 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 01:02 PM | Reply

Here's the EPA's regulations on Lead in Water.

There is a difference between 'regulate' and 'administrate' moron.

Learn it. The federal government does not administrate water supply issues on a local level, that is not their job and certainly isn't personally on the President's plate.

Why are you such a partisan tool of incredible obtuseness and intentional dishonesty?

#37 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 01:16 PM | Reply

...you (TFD) must think that Obama is at fault for the lead poisoning of children in Flint, Michigan.
#27 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

You're right, I do. Not that he's to blame for the poisoning, but for his lame response. He should have sent in the ACoE to immediately fix it.

#38 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-15 01:26 PM | Reply

But Avi, you're point with Danni is wrong as the Flint crisis was created by a state agency, so not under Obama's charge.

#39 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-15 01:29 PM | Reply

#37 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 01:16 PM
Oh...you guys aren't being hypocritical, I get it.
The rule remains the same for every administration:
The highest level Republican, whoever (s)he is, is responsible for what happens on their watch.
It all makes sense now.

#40 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 01:29 PM | Reply

Not that he blamed it on FEMA, but I see that you must think that Obama is at fault for the lead poisoning of children in Flint, Michigan.
Years later and they still don't have safe drinking water. Was it because they were mostly black, do you think?
Not a whataboutism, because both of these things are bad. I'm definitely not excusing or defending either one.
#27 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Why don't you get your facts straight. Rick Snyder wanted to cut costs so he ordered the switch to cheaper water source instead of the higher cost higher quality of the Detroit water. Those lead pipes were safe before the switch because of the mineralization on the insides of the pipes coupled with the anti corrosive additives that were added to Detroit's water. The sourced water that Rick Snyder ordered Flint to get their water from didn't have the anti corrosive additive so that mineralized layer sliuffed off revealing the lead underneath. Rick Snyder is chiefly to blame for this.

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-15 01:34 PM | Reply

But Avi, you're point with Danni is wrong as the Flint crisis was created by a state agency, so not under Obama's charge. - #39 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-06-15 01:29 PM
And PR's crisis was caused by a natural disaster and a territory government. Just being consistent.

I agree that Trump is responsible for the failures that happened under his watch, as I believe that Obama was responsible for the failures during his time.
I appreciate consistency.

#42 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 01:37 PM | Reply

Oh...you guys aren't being hypocritical, I get it.

Not in this case we aren't.

FEDERAL Emergency Management Agency = FEMA

The name says it all. It's a federal agency, hence managed by the federal government with its management team directly responsible to the Executive Branch which chooses the top-level personnel. It's mandate is to take over after environmental emergencies where the local and/or state governments are unable to respond due to their own limited or compromised abilities. They are the agency of last resort for extreme contingencies. Mismanagement of a local water supply situation did not fall under FEMA's bailiwick nor should it have had under normal circumstances. Your examples are apples and oranges.

And your argument is a rotten kumquat when the subject was indeed apples.

#43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 01:41 PM | Reply

#43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 01:41 PM
No one but you and that scarecrow are claiming that FEMA is responsible for Flint's water supply issues.

#44 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 02:01 PM | Reply

No one but you and that scarecrow are claiming that FEMA is responsible for Flint's water supply issues.

You can't even follow your own idiocy, can you? No one claimed FEMA was responsible for Flint. You keep conflating federal agencies with state/local governments and I'm pointing out the obvious differences, the main one being that NO PRESIDENT is personally responsible for LOCAL water management decisions, EPA be damned. FEMA is the President's responsibility and falls under his direct jurisdiction. FEMA answers to the President and takes their orders from the President. Flint's water supply administration? Not even close.

The fact that you can't even keep up with your own drivel is appalling. Why not spare us your ignorance and go put your head in the sand. You offer nothing of value to this discourse except when you leave.

Take the hint.

#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 02:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You can't even follow your own idiocy, can you? No one claimed FEMA was responsible for Flint. - #45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 02:09 PM
Mismanagement of a local water supply situation did not fall under FEMA's bailiwick nor should it have had under normal circumstances. - #43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 01:41 PM
You might want to figure out what a strawman fallacy is. Your entire #43 is defeating a strawman. That FEMA wasn't responsible for mismanagement of a local water supply situation is an example of you assigning to me a position that I did not take, because it is easy to overcome. I also didn't claim that FEMA was responsible for Flint. The EPA is another story.

However: Are you arguing that the Lead in Flint's water wasn't an "environmental emergenc[y] where the local and/or state governments are unable to respond due to their own limited or compromised abilities"?

#46 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 02:29 PM | Reply

Last time ignorant moron: NO, FEMA was not responsible for Flint. This is a FEMA thread, look at the title. You're the one deflecting to Obama through the EPA that somehow Flint was his responsibility and in reality it wasn't the federal government's immediate responsibility. So you're trying to blame Obama for the aftermath of a local decision. The local government effed up and the repercussions rose to the level where federal involvement could easily be understood as per an earlier post, but it wasn't. Puerto Rico was TRUMP'S responsibility and he screwed the pooch because he doesn't care about people who don't openly support and worship him like you do, full stop.

YOU conflated these two unrelated issues in your usual attempt at equating some false equivalence. Why do you keep proving that you have no integrity nor the intelligence God gave a flea?

Please, leave discourse to those capable of putting two cogent thoughts together without the need of Elmer's Paste. You're an embarrassment to the planet and we all suffer from your nonsensical drivel whenever you post.

#47 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 04:33 PM | Reply

#47

Don't take that personally, I mean it in the nicest possible of ways.

Tootles!

#48 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 04:37 PM | Reply

NO, FEMA was not responsible for Flint #48 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-06-15 04:37 PM
No kidding. That's why I said so:
No one but you and that scarecrow are claiming that FEMA is responsible for Flint's water supply issues. -#44 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2018-06-15 02:01 PM
I also didn't claim that FEMA was responsible for Flint. - #46 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2018-06-15 02:29 PM

I said it twice, so I can see how you would continue to screw it up.

You're the one deflecting to Obama
Uh, no. I joined into a conversation.
Obama administration when the common catch phraise was "Bush's fault." -#12 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2018-06-14 04:04 PM
I would need a citation where Obama blamed Bush for a FEMA effort that happened under Obama's watch. - #17 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2018-06-14 05:51 PM

So, no, I'm not the one deflecting to Obama.

So you're trying to blame Obama for the aftermath of a local decision.
I do blame Obama for the way that emergency was handled, as I blame Trump for the way this emergency was handled.

Wrong twice and ran away?

#49 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 04:57 PM | Reply

Or was Obama not head of the EPA and the regulation of lead in water supplies? He was.
Do you really think that lead in water supplies isn't a federally controlled thing? It is.
Here's the EPA's regulations on Lead in Water.
www.epa.gov

#36 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Run away from what, your insolence? Re-read the above and interpret it for me in your language. Did you not read what Laura wrote as to WHY lead became an issue (and it wasn't related to the federal government in any way shape or form)? Only after the water supply change was made did lead become an issue and it could have been avoided if not for the decision of a Republican appointee to upend the status quo. The federal government regulates the quality of the water supplies, not its source.

Flint was not the federal government's responsibility for the actuation of choosing the water source which CAUSED the lead problems where there were none before under the existent status quo. Everything about the inadequate response in PR was the federal government's responsibility since all parties knew that the island's governments were incapable of providing adequate relief for a disaster as widespread as the hurricanes that devastated the island.

Conflation is all that you do.

#50 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-06-15 05:09 PM | Reply

--Run away from what, your insolence?

lol. How dare you be insolent to the Duke of Roma, peasant!

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-15 05:40 PM | Reply

Did you not read what Laura wrote as to WHY lead became an issue (and it wasn't related to the federal government in any way shape or form)? - #50 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-06-15 05:09 PM |
Why the lead was there has no basis on the federal response to it.
Trump wasn't responsible for the damage caused by Maria. He may be a blow-hard, but he's not up to CAT-5 level. The response to the hurricane was his responsibility.
Obama wasn't responsible for lead being in the drinking water in Flint. The response to the lead in the water was his responsibility.
Trump is to blame for the poor response to Maria.
Obama is to blame for the poor response in Flint.

Anything less than that is partisan hypocrisy.

#52 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-15 07:20 PM | Reply

"Obama is to blame for the poor response in Flint."

Now that Trump inherited that mess, is Trump to blame for Trump's poor response in Flint, or is Trump's response Obama's fault?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-15 08:49 PM | Reply

I reject the notion put forward by the right wing that this is just further proof that the government is no capable of administering large programs in an efficient and cost effective manner. They point to Katrina and this latest example of that incompetence along with the mess at the VA, etc. I reject that completely. As a diehard Liberal, for me, it is just further proof that Bush, and now Trump, simple hate black and brown people.

#54 | Posted by HarrisonBounel at 2018-06-16 01:06 AM | Reply

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