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Tuesday, June 12, 2018

A newly installed TransCanada natural gas pipeline exploded early Thursday in the remote Nixon Ridge area of Marshall County in West Virginia. No injuries were reported but flames and smoke from the blast could be seen as far as 20 miles away, residents told local media. Area police told CBS News the fire was "very large -- if you can see it from your house, evacuate." "It sounded like a freight train coming through, or a tornado, and the sky lit up bright orange, and then I got up and looked out the window and flames were shooting I don't know how far into the sky," Tina Heath-Chaplin, of Moundsville, told WPXI. TransCanada -- the same company behind the Keystone pipeline -- said the explosion has been contained and an investigation is underway.

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But coal wouldn't have exploded.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-12 08:10 AM | Reply

So what should we do to transport energy? Go without? Pipelines are the absolute safest way to transport oil and gas. And at this moment in time, other than nuclear, oil and gas are the only viable fuel sources to produce that energy.

#2 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-06-12 09:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

We've discussed pipelines here for years. I don't remember anybody saying "100% safe and lead free".

just more invented positions

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-12 09:20 AM | Reply

What idiot called them "100% safe and leak free pipelines"?
Posted by mrsilencedogood at 05:56 AM
Oh, gotcha'

#4 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-12 10:06 AM | Reply

So what should we do to transport energy? Go without? Pipelines are the absolute safest way to transport oil and gas. And at this moment in time, other than nuclear, oil and gas are the only viable fuel sources to produce that energy.

#2 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

Most of the time we aren't transporting energy. We are transporting oil for sale overseas. The Keystone Pipeline for instance wasn't transporting oil to keep it at home. It was transporting it for refining and shipping over seas. The whole point of Keystone was to make it cheaper to transport and sell abroad.

Instead, we could have refined it up north and distributed it there and thus lowering oil prices.

It's one more instance of Conservatives having no clue what is going on but opposing Liberals for the sake of opposing Liberals.

#5 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-12 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"Pipelines are the absolute safest way to transport oil and gas."

Which comes as a great comfort when they leak or explode.

#6 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-12 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pipelines are safer than some other means of transporting product, but there are two ways you can do a pipe. Deregulate them and have frequent explosions like this. Or tightly regulate them and have much fewer explosions. Guess which ones Rs want? Guess which choice Moscow trolls never mention?

#7 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-06-12 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Which comes as a great comfort when they leak or explode.

#6 | Posted by DirkStruan

Would you rather it be transported by ground or rail?

#8 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-06-12 01:26 PM | Reply

Would you rather it be transported by ground or rail?

#8 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355 AT 2018-06-12 01:26 PM | FLAG:

That's your answer to everything isn't it? "No way to prevent this!" "Nothing to be done!"

#9 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-12 01:55 PM | Reply

Which comes as a great comfort when they leak or explode.
#6 | Posted by DirkStruan
Would you rather it be transported by ground or rail?
#8 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

See #5. I'd rather they not transport as much as they do for this reason.

And if they need to, heavy heavy regulations. But with Trump and Pruit, regulations are evil.

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-12 02:16 PM | Reply

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So, who claimed they were 100 % safe? Do you mean 100% safe like the railroad?

#11 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-12 02:21 PM | Reply

So what should we do to transport energy? Go without? Pipelines are the absolute safest way to transport oil and gas. And at this moment in time, other than nuclear, oil and gas are the only viable fuel sources to produce that energy.

#2 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355 AT 2018-06-12 09:16 AM | REPLY |

Rail is the least dangerous from an environmental standpoint

for environmental impact (dominated by impact to aquatic habitat), where it's boat worse than pipeline worse than truck worse than rail.

www.forbes.com

Rail spills happen more often but are far smaller by orders of magnitude than pipeline spills.

From 2002-2012 there were 1763 oil spills from pipelines of 50 barrels or more. 71 of those were more than 1,000 barrels.

Automatic detection systems can only detect a spill that is occuring at a rate of 1.5% or more. On the Keystone

TransCanada's system is considered to be among the best in the industry, and he believes there is "a reasonable chance" that the company may be able to beat the 1.5 percent limit on some segments of the Keystone XL. "But they're not going to tell you they can, because they're not sure."

Because the Keystone XL will carry so much oil, that 1.5 percent represents hundreds of thousands of gallons per day.

The 36-inch wide pipe will be one of the largest pipelines in the country, with an initial capacity of 700,000 barrels per day that can later be expanded to 830,000 barrels -- nearly 35 million gallons -- per day.

A spill involving 1.5 percent of the initial capacity would be 10,500 barrels, or 441,000 gallons a day.

insideclimatenews.org

#12 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-12 02:33 PM | Reply

#1: Depends if you consider rapid expansions like this fast enough to be an explosion.

#13 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-06-12 02:40 PM | Reply

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dust explodes. grain, coal, industrial dust of many types.....

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-12 03:03 PM | Reply

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dust explodes. grain, coal, industrial dust of many types.....

#14 | POSTED BY EBERLY

And we do every conceivable thing to make sure they don't and we don't put them in situations where they can. But not with oil in pipelines.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-12 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

Oh you and your facts. Conservatives don't do facts. They do what Trump and Fox tell them.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-12 04:25 PM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Duh that's why I posted the video of a coal dust explosion.

#17 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-06-12 06:04 PM | Reply

"They do what Trump and Fox tell them."

"Isn't that the same thing as a fact?" - conservatives

#18 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-06-12 06:05 PM | Reply

So what should we do to transport energy? Go without? Pipelines are the absolute safest way to transport oil and gas. And at this moment in time, other than nuclear, oil and gas are the only viable fuel sources to produce that energy.

#2 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

A company can start by spending money on asset integrity management. Do the inspections needed to operate safely. This begins at construction and follows throughout the life of the equipment. But that costs money....

Back in late January this year we had a natural gas line explode right outside the plant I work at. Luckily it happened across river road from the levee or it could have taken the levee out.

#19 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-06-13 08:09 AM | Reply

OK, the way to get a pipeline to explode. Allow oxygen into the line. That is why they use gas separators at every stage of transport. If you remember your high school science, if you compress a oxygen rich gas inside a hydrocarbon environment, it explodes if compressed to about 10 atmospheres. That will blow out just about any pipeline, and the people who run big diameter lines know it. Someone screwed up.

#20 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-13 09:27 AM | Reply

"Someone screwed up."

We know that, we predicted it. The companies wanting to build the pipelines claimed that it wouldn't happen. They lied. We're just lucky no one died. If it had happened in many other locations it could have been a horrendous disaster and why should we trust the builders after this?

#21 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-13 09:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Someone screwed up.

#20 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2018-06-13 09:27 AM | REPLY |

People do. So why are you ok with creating huge networks of oil pipelines that are only safe if nobody ever screws up?

#22 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-13 10:07 AM | Reply

#22 | Posted by hatter5183, There is risk in anything we do. There is much less risk involved in moving a substance via pipeline than by rail or truck. What is your alternative? Planes fall from the sky every year, yet you still fly. The risk is worth it if the chance is millions to one you will die. We use hydrocarbons, and pushing them through a pipeline is many times safer than any other method.

#23 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-13 11:11 AM | Reply

And we do every conceivable thing to make sure they don't and we don't put them in situations where they can. But not with oil in pipelines.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant

That is BS.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-13 02:28 PM | Reply

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