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Monday, June 11, 2018

Several prominent Russians, some in President Vladimir Putin's inner circle or high in the Russian Orthodox Church, now have been identified as having contact with National Rifle Association officials during the 2016 U.S. election campaign, according to photographs and an NRA source.

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Months earlier, in December 2015, Torshin and Butina's gun rights group hosted an NRA delegation led by NRA board member and former President David Keene for a week of lavish wining and dining in Moscow.

During their visit, the NRA group met with Rogozin, who served as the deputy prime minister overseeing Russia's military industrial complex for seven years and previously was Russia's ambassador to NATO. Late last month, Putin put him in charge of the Russian space program.

Rogozin is a far-right nationalist who has "extensive ties to the Russian arms industry" that he managed and "is deeply hostile to the West," said Mike Carpenter, who was a Russia specialist while a senior Pentagon official in the Obama administration.

Another Russia expert, Atlantic Council fellow Anders Aslund, was flabbergasted that the NRA delegation met with Rogozin.

"I can't understand the NRA meeting with Rogozin since he was sanctioned in 2014," he said. "It's so embarrassing."

#1 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-06-11 03:22 PM | Reply


So many dots, so little time...

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-11 04:11 PM | Reply

So many dots, so little time...

#2 | Posted by LampLighter

So many Right-wing organizations and persons apparently always had a deep affinity for dictatorships and were just waiting for someone like Trump to make it safe to come out of the closet.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-11 04:46 PM | Reply

#3

Why would anybody in this country, regardless of political leaning, have a "deep affinity for dictatorship"?

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-11 05:03 PM | Reply

Probably the same reason they keep a bunch of Hitler's speeches on their bedside table.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-11 05:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"So many Right-wing organizations and persons apparently always had a deep affinity for dictatorships"

The right accused Hillary and Obama of being dictators.......is that your example of a "deep affinity"?

Or could it be that you and snoofy are just full of ---- and it's all about partisanship....like everything else?

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-11 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump doesn't have a book of Hitler's speeches? Was it Mussolini? Tell me where I'm wrong Eberly.

You know the business world. You know a CEO isn't bound by the Constitution like a President is. You know government is all about compromise, and business deals are too, but a CEO running a company has the power to say, internally, it's my way or the highway.

That kind of power is what people want when they say they want government to run like a business. To cut through the bureaucratic red tape.

That's asking for a President with dictatorial powers. You think that's different than asking for a dictator? I don't.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-11 05:14 PM | Reply

So many Right-wing organizations and persons apparently always had a deep affinity for dictatorships...

I wasn't talking about Trump and neither was Zed.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-11 05:18 PM | Reply

Okay. But he fits the description.

My #7 isn't about Trump, it's about what's practically a mantra for the right, and what it actually means. It means the kind of absolute power a CEO has, compared to the checked and balanced power a President has.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-11 05:21 PM | Reply

"It means the kind of absolute power a CEO has,"

It's not absolute power they want the president to have.

It's....

1. An "R" after his/her name
2. the appropriate positions on the biggies....abortion, gay marriage, global warming, guns, etc....

not absolute power.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-11 05:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Come on.

You're saying

"I want a President who will run this country like a business!"

means you are anti-abortion or whatever?

Doesn't make sense.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-11 05:31 PM | Reply

"I want a President who will run this country like a business!"

means you are anti-abortion or whatever?

No, it means they think he will be fiscally responsible.

Yeah...I know it's absurd but that's the significance of the business thing.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-11 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think you guys have gone back in time and changed why Trump won.

You think it's driven by racists.

He won because the convinced enough voters in swing states that Washington Insiders have been screwing them over for years and years......and that he was NOT a Washington Insider and that Hillary WAS.

And his business experience was a nice addition to his resume. Nevermind that the dems didn't do anywhere near enough to put that POS business experience in perspective for what it was....where he inherited it...screwed people over every day, etc. business failure after failure......

Nope...they just went back 40 years ago or more and called his dad a racist and hoped that would stick to him.

Didn't work.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-11 05:40 PM | Reply

Eberly. I think it can mean what you're saying, but it can also mean what I'm saying.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-11 05:41 PM | Reply

Why would anybody in this country, regardless of political leaning, have a "deep affinity for dictatorship"?

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-11 05:03 PM | Reply

An excellent question. I've thought about this. I have a few notions. None are uplifting.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-11 06:56 PM | Reply

I've been living with the authoritarian viewpoint in way or the other for most of my life. What I sometimes refer to as rednecks are authoritarian. This goes with rigid, intolerant, emotional, strangely smug and with a strong need to punish people who aren't in line from their point of view.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-11 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So, from the redneck point of view, stealing children from their mother's arms is a natural thing to do. Applying punishment wins out over every other human consideration.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-11 07:01 PM | Reply

"Why would anybody in this country, regardless of political leaning, have a "deep affinity for dictatorship"?

It's even funnier because it was NRA "guns keep us free!" guys meeting with the dictator's henchmen and cronies.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-11 07:09 PM | Reply

#16. Pretty much why I keep my politics to myself around here (Waco) area. Ten miles from Bush's ranch. There's a reason he moved here, not just to be near Ft Hood and TSTC airport.

It sucks, but like the old Richard Pryor joke... wide-eyed Democrats walk down the street looking for each other and meet in secret. Especially when President Obama was in office.

#19 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-06-11 07:45 PM | Reply

#1

I know your area of the world well.

Yes, best policy is to hide in plain sight. There is no advantage in letting them know who you are.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-11 09:22 PM | Reply

#19, but you're #1 in my book.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-11 09:23 PM | Reply

"Why would anybody in this country, regardless of political leaning, have a "deep affinity for dictatorship"?"

Because democracy brought civil rights. Equality. Gay rights. Women's rights. Duh! Have you been asleep for the past 60 years Eberly? What does the right really want? To roll back clock tp befpre any of those things happened.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-12 08:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"What does the right really want? To roll back clock tp befpre any of those things happened."

wow

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-12 08:41 AM | Reply

A "business" is not a democracy
This affinity for a government to be run like a "business" is just the PC way the "right" can advocate for authoritarianism.

#24 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-06-12 08:51 AM | Reply

"Why would anybody in this country, regardless of political leaning, have a "deep affinity for dictatorship"?"

If we suspend the ridiculous trappings that come to mind when we think of a dictator - military medals, marches and salutes in choppy black and white - I think a lot of people in this country would be just fine with a dicatator for 'their side'.

That's 'gettin it done' and 'tellin it like it is' without all this fuss of asking a bunch of other people for their thoughts. Unequivical Alpha Male leadership, even if it doesn't really make sense.

They wouldn't label it as a dictatorship, just a 'strong leader'.

How many current Republicans would continue supporting Trump if he pardoned himself?

#25 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-06-12 09:02 AM | Reply

-How many current Republicans would continue supporting Trump if he pardoned himself?

good question.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-12 09:08 AM | Reply

I think there are a lot of people that don't know how the gears of government, and law, that are the foundations of our country, are supposed to work. These are pretty complicated topics.

And in that ignorance, they'd rather just see the guy they voted for be able to operate like a CEO, or a head coach.

And I'll admit that there are a lot of elements of government and law that I'm ignorant of as well - which is one of the reason why I come to the DR, as well as following lawyers on Twitter etc. as they go through the play-by-play of this insanity.

It's pretty fascinating, in a surreal way.

Also gives you an appreciation of how our system was designed to avoid a 'dictator situation', but that it's ultimately up to the people in the government (and by extension, the citizens that placed them there) to abide and uphold that system.

#27 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-06-12 09:21 AM | Reply

"If we suspend the ridiculous trappings that come to mind when we think of a dictator - military medals, marches and salutes in choppy black and white - I think a lot of people in this country would be just fine with a dicatator for 'their side'.

Probably true but when a dictator gains power the idea of ever giving up power, as American Presidents are required to do, becomes untenable to them and then the things they will do to retain power become increasingly brutal. America needs to be very watchful of any President who seems to display any desire to be a dictator and remove him/her from office as soon as they do. I believe Trump needs to be removed for that reason. He displays all of the qualities of a wannabe dictator and we should remove him like a tumor before he spreads and infects our entire government.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-12 09:27 AM | Reply

Oh God that was awesome! The NRA is controlled by Putin!

#29 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-06-12 09:40 AM | Reply

Trump on Fox News in 2014 defending Russia after the Ukrainian situation unfolded.

Listen to what Trump said already back in 2014. about his desired outcome for the United States:

"You know what solves it? When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster. Then you'll have a [chuckles], you know, you'll have riots to go back to where we used to be when we were great."

#30 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2018-06-12 09:58 AM | Reply

The NRA is controlled by Putin!
#29

Not really. Just taking Russian money and using it to help Republicans get elected.

Good thing piles of cash never come with any strings attached!

#31 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-06-12 10:09 AM | Reply

How many current Republicans would continue supporting Trump if he pardoned himself?

Of those who suppory Trump today? 100% of them. If you haven't already abandoned the Trump ship, after everything he has said and done to date, there is nothing he can do to lose your support.

I maintain that Trump could strangle one of his supporters' children right in front of their face and they would find a way to make excuses for it.

#32 | Posted by JOE at 2018-06-12 11:11 AM | Reply

Which means it is going to be fun when trump cancels the 2020 election

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-06-12 11:13 AM | Reply

"I maintain that Trump could strangle one of his supporters' children right in front of their face and they would find a way to make excuses for it."

followed by

"trump cancels the 2020 election"

This is another byproduct of a Trump presidency.

Look at the absolute tripe and hysteria coming from folks.

You guys understand you're not being clever, nor insightful. You all spewed the same stuff when the last republican occupied the WH.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-12 11:18 AM | Reply

How many current Republicans would continue supporting Trump if he pardoned himself?
good question.

#26 | POSTED BY Comrade EBERLY

There's one ^

#35 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-06-12 12:18 PM | Reply

Eb, i was speaking in hypotheticals, which was obvious to anyone with a brain. I never said it would actually happen.

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2018-06-12 12:30 PM | Reply

This crap is way beyond funny. NRA and commies together?

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-12 06:48 PM | Reply

There are Russian cells who appear to go on "hunting vacation" - they are all in their mid-twenties, wear the same gear, hair and attitude.

Could this have any relationship with wanting the NRA to obstruct limiting military-style firearms for all these years?

To think that my nation is the playground for a Russian psy-op would seem bizarre, but even Roy Moore speaks fluent Russian. What are the chances?!

#38 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-06-13 02:43 AM | Reply

So the NRA now stands for the National Russia Association.

#39 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-06-13 11:19 AM | Reply

NRA and commies together?
#37 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Russia isn't commie anymore. They gave everything to Oligarchs for pennies on the dollar, and they are now run by gangsters. This has been going on for many years. They're a shining city on the hill whose beacon light guides our current GOP.

#40 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-06-13 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why would anybody in this country, regardless of political leaning, have a "deep affinity for dictatorship"?

#4 | Posted by eberly

Ask trump supporters. Their idol is the one who scorns democracies and praises ruthless dictators.

Now go try and find me a democrat false equivilance.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-06-13 11:57 AM | Reply

This crap is way beyond funny. NRA and commies together?

#37 | Posted by Sniper

NRA and commies and trump. What a combo you support.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-06-13 11:58 AM | Reply

The question no Trumper can answer:

When you say make America Great again you imply we used to be but aren't any more. When were we great? Give us a date.

#43 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-13 12:03 PM | Reply

The question no Trumper can answer:

When you say make America Great again you imply we used to be but aren't any more. When were we great? Give us a date.

#44 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-13 12:03 PM | Reply

"Ask trump supporters. Their idol is the one who scorns democracies and praises ruthless dictators."

Just say "I don't understand the point".

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-13 12:11 PM | Reply

CITIZENS UNITED... we'll look back on it as our ' kristallnacht '. this coupled with the agenda of the transfigured fourth estate and we have an america that will be different

#46 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-06-13 01:15 PM | Reply

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