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Sunday, June 10, 2018

The state of Florida failed to conduct national background checks on tens of thousands of applicants looking to procure a concealed weapon permit for more than a year, and the reason is about as dumb as it gets: the person in charge of performing the checks forgot their login information. An Office of Inspector General investigation obtained by the Tampa Bay Times showed that from February 2016 until March 2017, the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services stopped using FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System -- the primary database to make sure concealed carry applicants don't have a checkered past in other states. No applications during that period underwent the required national background check.

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FTA: "Putnam, the head of the Agriculture Department, is currently making a run for governor of the state of Florida. According to the Times, he's spent much of his time in his current position trying to speed up the process of issuing concealed carry permits. In 2012, he held a press conference to announce the state's one millionth concealed carry permit. During the event, he said application process time dropped from 12 weeks to 35 days under his leadership.

He's only doubled down on his position since hitting the campaign trail. In 2017, he tweeted that he's a "proud NRA sellout" and has made guns a central issue of his campaign. On his website, he brags, "As Commissioner of Agriculture, Adam expanded the state's concealed weapon license program so it is now the largest in the country." That's probably pretty easy to accomplish when you're just skipping an entire step of scrutiny for thousands of applications."

#1 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-06-10 12:13 PM | Reply

FTA: "So just how many applications went through without being reviewed by the FBI during that period? According to the Florida Agriculture Department's annual concealed weapons permit report, there were nearly 275,000 applications from July 1st, 2016 through June 30th, 2017. Just 6,470 of those were denied, and nearly half of those denials were due to incomplete applications.

(For comparison's sake, the 2017-2018 report shows 200,000 applications during the same period but saw 2,000 more denials with the federal background check in place.)"

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-06-10 12:16 PM | Reply

Well heck if I had known that I would have made a road trip to Florida a year ago.

but saw 2,000 more denials with the federal background check in place.

So extrapolating the numbers there are now 2750 more felons with guns, thank you Putnman. I just hope they stay in Florida maybe the gators will take care of the problem.

#3 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-06-10 01:41 PM | Reply

Seems like deliberate sabotage to me.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-10 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I guess tech support is a foreign concept.

#5 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-06-10 03:14 PM | Reply

The NRA is a domestic terrorist group (one that has current ties to Russia btw), and they need to be stopped.

#6 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-06-10 05:56 PM | Reply

Has any concealed permit holders ever done a school shooting or any other mass shooting?

#7 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-10 08:23 PM | Reply

Has any concealed permit holders ever done a school shooting or any other mass shooting?
#7 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-10 08:23 PM

Their children have.
This post though is more about worrying if felons got guns due to the lack of background checks.

#8 | Posted by eightfifteenpm at 2018-06-10 08:43 PM | Reply

Has any concealed permit holders ever done a school shooting or any other mass shooting?

Looks like about 40 since 2007.

concealedcarrykillers.org

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-06-10 08:52 PM | Reply

Here's the list of NRA members who did a school or any mass shooting:

_______________________________

#10 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2018-06-10 09:07 PM | Reply

Here's the list of NRA members who did a school or any mass shooting:

How would you know since they keep membership rolls in the NRA secret?

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-06-10 09:12 PM | Reply

One. more proof that truth is stranger than fiction.

Two. How does this go missed by the FBI & their program used for these background checks? Ohhhh yeah.....

#12 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 09:27 PM | Reply

This post though is more about worrying if felons got guns due to the lack of background checks.

#8 | POSTED BY EIGHTFIFTEENPM

This was to be issued a concealed carry permit, not to purchase a firearm.

Those checks are done by a store employee who calls the NICS directly IIRC.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-10 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13

Yep.

#14 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 10:46 PM | Reply

"Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam told the paper just 365 applications required the federal background check. Upon learning of Wilde's negligence, the department "immediately completed full background checks" on the applications in question and ended up revoking 291 of them. "

Wow.

They revoked 291 out of 365, which is 80%.

So much for that whole concealed permit holders being, you know, safer than regular gun owners.

Makes you wonder how only 365 of the approximately 200,000 applications required a background check in the first place... I mean, other than the obvious fact that Putnam has political aspirations and being relentlessly pro-gun to the point of malfeasance is a winner with the "base."

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-11 12:03 AM | Reply

So much for that whole concealed permit holders being, you know, safer than regular gun owners.

Except for the idiot who just didn't do their job the system worked.

Would you say so, considering 291 were revoked and wouldn't have been issued if the job was done properly? Sounds like working to me.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-11 08:52 AM | Reply

So much for that whole concealed permit holders being, you know, safer than regular gun owners.

#15 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-06-11 12:03 AM | REPLY

1 in 28 people have a permit here in Texas. They represent 0.38% of all violent crime and weapons convictions in the state as of 2017.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-11 09:10 AM | Reply

Permit holders % of conviction rates rates have climbed about 0.1% in the last decade or so. That's actually quite a bit for such low numbers, more than doubling.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-11 09:12 AM | Reply

Well it seems it's down to 1 in about 20 adults having a permit here now, 1.25 million permitted people. About 3,000 are revoked or suspended annually, and last year 300,000 new permits issued with only 1,875 denials.

Florida CHL permitting is a joke.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-11 10:12 AM | Reply

Why bother?

Everyone knows that Nothing Can Be Done(™) anyway.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-06-11 05:45 PM | Reply

Has any concealed permit holders ever done a school shooting or any other mass shooting?

#7 | POSTED BY SNIPER

You mean legit concealed carry permit holders?

The problem with concealed carry permit holders isn't mass shootings. It's random shootings when things get heated or they get drunk or high. Which is why they get extra surveillance....except in Florida apparently.

#21 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-11 06:26 PM | Reply

"It's random shootings when things get heated or they get drunk or high."

Or dancing too vigorously with a loaded gun in your pants.

apparently

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-06-11 07:55 PM | Reply

Or dancing too vigorously with a loaded gun in your pants.

That was an awesome clip. You'd think at least the FBI would train their guys not to pick a gun up by the trigger.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-06-11 07:58 PM | Reply

He was just showing us what it truly means to be "Well Regulated" in TrumpLandia.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-06-11 08:02 PM | Reply

Everyone knows that Nothing Can Be Done(™) anyway.

B.S.

Something can be done, just not what your ideology agrees with.

#25 | Posted by boaz at 2018-06-12 09:48 AM | Reply

Considering that the public official running the department that conducts background checks said he was a "Proud NRA Sellout," this doesn't surprise me in the least. What will be truly pathetic is if this wannabe Trumpkin gets elected governor by Floridians.

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2018-06-12 11:05 AM | Reply

Something can be done, just not what your ideology agrees with.

#25 | Posted by boaz

Common sense laws such as strict universals background checks are not against my ideology.

Is it against yours?

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-06-12 01:02 PM | Reply

www.rawstory.com

I think it is pretty clear how this man was able to buy a gun.

#28 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-12 02:37 PM | Reply

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